Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #533 ecto, Number 533 Tuesday, 20 April 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Out like a lamb :-) Legendary Pink Dots concert dates. Buddy Holly song Re: My discovery Re: ecto #532 Be Careful What You Say Re: ecto #532 HaPpY Birthday Really big news! Stories From The Nerve Bible Re: Berlin ======================================================================== Subject: Out like a lamb :-) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:39:54 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, First, a belated happy greek easter to the fellow greek ectophiles. For those of you who aren't familiar with greek traditions, easter is a major *fun* holiday. I spent the day with the other greek students of MIT/Harvard roasting 4 lambs and one spit of kokoretsi (which I am proud to say I assembled and was excellent!) by scenic Lake Waban in Wellesley College. What a great time that was!! Re: fate of promo-cd. I think woj is right, it was probably a distributor's promo, since Bob L. says that there weren't any CDs sent to radio stations. That also explains the cheap price. Hmm, well, the CD will be on its way to Greece to be enjoyed by Efi and used by her to lure others to appreciate Happy. See ya later, Angelos "Castaways from far and wide, wrecked together in this town tonight on every side"- TR ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:52:27 EDT Subject: Legendary Pink Dots concert dates. I lost MJM's e-mail address, but I knew he was interested. If there are other ectophiles who are curious about the legendary pink dots, here are a couple of dates which I have so far... April 21 Orlando "The Edge" April 23 Dallas "Trees" May 15 Chicago "Lounge Acts" (??; maybe "Axe"??) If there are any more dates I become aware of, I'll send them to all who are interested. Just drop me a line. -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| ======================================================================== Date: 19 Apr 93 14:07:04 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: |> There, there, Vickie, it's okay. We're not laughing *too* hard |> at you. ;-) Think about it this way...at least you're not the one |> who came up with "my oxy and my toe" or "and the clays maray" which |> prompted Happy to inquire as to what sorts of drugs mjm was using! | |:-) Yep, Happy was amused to no end. I came up with "my oxy and my troll" Hey, I call them the way I hear them. I figured it was better to put down the syllables I heard (even though they made no sense) than to just leave question marks. I guess I was right. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:46:11 -0400 (EDT) From: consid Subject: Buddy Holly song "I Feel Like Buddy Holly" by Alvin Stardust was a chart hit in Britain in 1984. This might be the one Karl is looking for! -Sue Trowbridge ======================================================================== From: alan moorse Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 16:50:45 -0400 Subject: Re: My discovery A few years back, like maybe 10, Nash the Slash did a whole album that was meant to be played at (as I recall) 33, 45, or 78 (I may be wrong about the 78). It's called Decomposing, and I put it on a tape with Dreams and Night- mares. First it's on there at 45, hten D&N, then at 33. The first time my wife played the tape, she suddenly asked about 3/4 of the way through the second version, whether all this guy's music sounded the same. I don't have any 45s other than that one and maybe a Kate single, so now I'm wondering whether my dad still has the turntable with the 16 setting. Hmmm alanm ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #532 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 14:19:06 PDT From: "Gary Nichols" Subject: Re: ecto #531 where mr rock n roll says: > >also finally heard gabriel's _us_ and also found it wanting. first, i wish >he'd stop the multiple personality thing with the obvious pop songs and the >obvious eclectic songs. far as i'm concerned, he should bag one of those >facets and concentrate on one aspect only. second, except for "digging in the >dirt," all the songs seem unfinished as if these are the demos rather than >the finished product. third, maybe this is just a personal change, but only >"digging in the dirt" emotionally moved me. i know he is capable of doing >that (witness _so_), but this one seems flat and devoid. the trappings are >all there (moody, evocative synths and wailing vocals and funny percussion) >but the feeling does not seem to be. I wholeheartedly agree!!!!! I really felt betrayed by PG's latest. He is cabable of wonderful stuff (especially his film stuff, Birdy and Passion, even though Birdy was mostly just remixes from Security), but this looked like a money maker to support his other endeavors, like the World Music (right name?) stuff and this theme park thing he talks about once in a while. I felt like he did a market survey on what worked from SO and just did it again. Maybe I expected too much from him.... gary nichols garyn@hprpcd.rose.hp.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Potter Subject: Be Careful What You Say Okay, here's the lyrics to Becareful What You Say, the 15th song on the Rearmament CD, for the Ecto lyric archive.... 15. Be Careful What You Say Come forth now, speak your mind And believe that what you feel is true Your age cannot reveal all of you Good or bad, tell them all Some may say that you cannot hold your tongue You should not pretend to like everyone Be careful what you say, what you do When you show your face You're never right, let it go You're much too young to know And when you feel the need to express All your views on life You're never right, let it go You're much too young to know If you must, choose your words And have faith that you have done the right thing Your eyes cannot reveal everything Be careful what you say, what you do When you show your face You're never right, let it go You're much too young to know And when you feel the need to express All your views on life You're never right, let it go You're much too young to know ============================================================================ Eek. Part of mitch's post here is missing. I don't know what happened to it and i've unfortunately already lost the seperate message. Mitch, if you've still got a copy of this, or can recreate it, please do so. I'll fix it up in the archives too if you like. --jessica ============================================================================ : today is it for both the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and for WBEZ (speaking of which, I'm now trying to track down Stuart Rosenberg's address on the net, so I can send him a Happy FAQ); last Friday was it for the discovery of LSD. Happy's going to Austin to do a concert, and Ingrid Karklins is going to Chic- ago for the same purpose. There the transitivity breaks down, however, because I'm not immediately aware of any Chicago artists with concert dates elsewhere. While browsing in Dr. Wax the other day in search of something else (which they didn't have), I ended up getting the new David Baerwald album (along with a lot of other stuff). Looks like I have something to look forward to. Mitch ------------------------------------------------ "I am a legend in my own mind....So pooh on you." --the former K. Tyler Rhodes "Everybody wants to get into the act." --Jimmy Durante [my own spin on the Happy-epigraph-.sig craze :-)] ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #532 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 18:08:43 CDT Karl Dotzek writes: > A friend suggested it could be Mike Batt, but I've ruled that out. As > far as I remember, it was a "Eintagsfliege" (a song from one artist, > being at least some success, but you'll never hear something of that > artist again), at least the voices are similar. For what it's worth, I've usually heard these called "One Hit Wonders". (Which makes me wonder off hand whatever happened to Nena after "99 Luftballoons".) mr rock n roll says: > who or what is kas dimd? is this an unknown-to-me karklins recording? if > it is, how do i get one? is this a unknown-to-me austin artist? if so, who > is she/he/it? what does she/he/it sound like? inquiring minds, et. al. Kas Dimd is, I believe, Ingrid Karklin's first cassette release. Meredith's list indicates that at least one track, "Leatherwing Bat", is on a later release. It's hard to give a track listing in ASCII, but here goes: Leatherwing Bat _ , Ziedi, Ziedi Rudzu Varpa/Ackups _ _ Jandals/Ekuseze Milling Kas Dimd _ _ _ Aija Zuzu It's labeled "(c) 1989 WILLOW MUSIC 500 Terrace Drive, Austin, TX 78704. Most of the musicians are from my fave Austin band ever, Stick People. (I'd put in an ObHappy, but I can't think of one... and I'm just too pissed off, having just heard the way the Waco debacle ended, to be particularly clever B-[.) "You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..." -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 10:00:12 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a Very HAPPY Birthday to Harry Foster on 21st April. Have a great day Harry Peace Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:10:10 +0200 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Buddy Holly song >>>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:46:11 -0400 (EDT), Sue said: Sue> "I Feel Like Buddy Holly" by Alvin Stardust was a chart hit Sue> in Britain in 1984. This might be the one Karl is looking for! Exactly, Sue! Oh, well, thought I'd lost it out of my mind - now it revolves again... Alvin Stardust is not so unknown. I think, he had some other hits. Thanks, very much, you were the first to answer this! --- Tonight is Gabriel in town!!! :-) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 6:51 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Really big news! Hello Ecto! A few weeks ago, when Happy and Kevin were in town, I spoke to Kevin at length about various and sundry topics, and I realize I've been amiss in posting some news, albeit sad news: Ray Jung is no longer affiliated with Happy and Kevin. Citing "communications difficulties", Kevin has taken over the bass chores in addition to his regular load. While admitting Ray's prodigious skills on the instrument, Kevin noted that many people had expressed surprise that he'd made it with them as long as he had! Way back at our first meeting at the back catalog release, I had been joking with Kevin about playing bass for them if they ever needed one; Kevin said, "You know, I think I'd like to get back into the bass myself"... That's Kevin's bass on "I say", as well as all else except SOS. It's a Rickenbacker, I think he said. I met Ray after the Maniax concert. He was a great guy and we must have chatted for a long time. I wish him well in his next project, and will keep an ear out for it! Perhaps when they tour again, they'll get another bassist. I don't see how Kevin can play bass live as well as guitar, keys, and percussion! Take care all... Bob L. "We love you, Ray!" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:06 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: Stories From The Nerve Bible Having just been catching up with ecto digests (again), I thought I'd add my voice to the other rave reviews of Laurie Anderson's shows in Philly. I saw the show on Saturday, and it was truly amazing. Certainly better than the last time I saw her, which was during the Strange Angels tour. However, as previous reviews have been concentrating on the projections, tv-screens, lazers, body-synths and other surprises that I don't want to spoil, it seemed necessary to point out that all this technical wizardry really only functioned as a backdrop to the important part of the show: namely Laurie's monologue. Throughout the show LA spoke of many things: she told stories, both humorous and thought provoking; she made various social comments, about such matters as the gulph war and the euphoria associated with it, about the media, about sexism, and about that most frightening of stastistics: that, for the first time in our history, the living outnumber the dead. At times the speach would lapse into song, or the music would lapse into speach. Indeed the music, words and images were so well intwined that it was difficult to dissasociate one from the other. Anyone who gets a chance to see this show really should do so. It shows Laurie Anderson to be one of the most innovative and thought provoking artists around today. -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 09:33 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Berlin Hi Ecto, I have already sent this one, but I doubt it arrived since I had email problems. If you have answered it, re-send your answer. Bye, Uli -------------8<------------------ > Uli's transcription of Nina Hagen's lyrics in Berlin dialect reminded me of > somebody's published conclusion that John F. Kennedy should really have said > "Ich bin Berliner," that the "ein" turned it into an assertion that he was > a pastry of some sort. It would appear that this analyst was still wrong, > and if JFK wanted to be truly accurate, he'd have said, "_Ick_ bin Berliner." This Mitching is quite correct IMHO: - inserting 'ein' into the sentence makes it saying 'I am from Berlin'. Leaving it out has the same meaning but could also mean 'I am (a typical) Berliner' - 'Ick' is probably the way most English speaking people would pronounce 'ich'. And I think I have heard the JFK word and if I remember right he really said 'ick'. If I had more time I would have translated at least one other song and I also would have made the promised review of the Mylene Farmer videos I have not yet reviewed, but so finishing my _Diplomarbeit_ has highest priority at the moment. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 09:13 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Berlin Hi all, I sent this before but I think it didn't arrive since I had serious mail problems. Please re-send everything you mailed me. Bye, Uli ------------8<----------- /me about Mitch's comment about JFK's 'Ich bin ein Berliner': > - inserting 'ein' into the sentence makes it saying 'I am from Berlin'. Leaving > it out has the same meaning but could also mean 'I am (a typical) Berliner' > - 'Ick' is probably the way most English speaking people would pronounce 'ich'. > And I think I have heard the JFK word and if I remember right he really > said 'ick'. Is my memory that bad? Do I really have to rely on TV commercials to remind me of what Kennedy said how? Anyhow, there's a TV commercial in Germany where they offer a commemorate coin about Kennedy and there they show the scene where JFK sais 'Ich bin ein Berliner'. Note the 'Ich', he sais it in (almost) perfect German. No 'Ick' like Berlin dialect or English accent but 'ich' like it has to be. And 'ein' Berliner (I had a flickering thought (failing RAM chips somewhere in my head again) that he really said it without the 'ein'), really sounding like 'I am a Berliner'. And - as usual - they cite him without keeping the context or at least the whole sentence. Hmmm... that thing has not left my head: We have an old (1964 or very late '63) book about Kennedy. The complete speach of JFK in Berlin is printed, but in German. I will give the relevant part and then try to retranslate it back into English. Any errors in the translation are mine. JFK: "[...] Vor zweitausend Jahren war der stolzeste Satz, den ein Mensch sagen konnte, der: Ich bin ein Buerger Roms. Heute ist der stolzeste Satz, den jemand in der freien Welt sagen kann: Ick bin een Berliner. (Der Dolmetscher uebersetzte: Ich bin ein Berliner.) Ich bin dem Dolmetscher dankbar, dass er mein Deutsch noch besser uebersetzt hat. [...]" And now for something not altogether completely different: JFK: "[...] Two tousand years ago the proudest sentence a man could say was this: I am a citizen of Rome. Today the proudest sentence one can say in the free world is: Ick bin een Berliner. (The interpreter translated: Ich bin ein Berliner.) I am gracious to the interpreter that he has translated my German even better. [...]" Some comments: "Ick bin een Berliner" is almost what a true Berliner would say. Those would probably say "Baliner" instead of "Berliner". But the "een" is the correct 'word' for "ein". Now it seems that my commemoration coin commercial does not cite Kennedy but the interpreter... And for those who didn't know yet: JFK does not even mean himself by speaking in the first person singular. And for those who did not know why the proudest sentence anyone could say on June 26, 1963 was "Ick bin een Berliner": Berlin was divided by the now 'defunct' Berlin Wall and so the West Berliners could not move more than about 40 kilometers in a straight direction without being stopped. But they held out... Bye, Uli ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)