Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #227 ecto, Number 227 Wednesday, 29 April 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: ecto #224 Re: more on tori show.. personal to Albert so please cut here... conversation with chris Various rantings Sarah McLachlan in SF - who's going? Fluff (tm) tori concert censorship? Odd lots, content-wise A_NEW_ECTOPHILE ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 01:03:36 PDT From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hiyas again, Seeing jessica's post reminded me, I think the Sugarcubes are performing on the Arsenio Hall show tomorrow. Barry ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #224 From: tlb@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Tracy Barber) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 92 23:46:27 EDT To Greg: Thanks for the tapes. The quality was pretty darn good, considering it was a crowd mix! Also, too bad about the end of the show. Pshaw! I'll be forwarding a copy to my friend in Arizona, she'll love it! To Woj: OK. Tapes going to CO. Any idea when these will get duped? Any guess- timation from the guy you're sending them to? Further, have a hell of a time in Spain! My last roommate was a woman from the Galacia province who was on a fellowship here at Albany state. Well, when you get back you'll tell us everything, eh? (Well, maybe not...) (hehe...) tlb --- * SLMR 2.0 * Cleanliness is next to "clean-limbed," in the dictionary. ---- Tracy Barber tlb@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us {n8emr|nstar}!bluemoon!bsbbs!tlb The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 9:25:47 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: more on tori show.. hi ! Jessica writes: > Well, a few moments into "Little Earthquakes" (with which > she opened the show), i found myself completely entranced > and in awe, and the thought that went through my head "Wow, > she *is* a witch!".. Some more evidence that she really is... ;-) I've told you all before that I was sitting really close to her during the concert in Amsterdam. Not only could I look her straight in the face, but I believe she did the same to me, most of the time, that is, if she saw me clearly with the lighting and all. She looked like she really enjoyed watching me turn into jelly. I must have had some silly expressions on my face... Perhaps I can explain what the connection is between _Me and a Gun_ and the 14-year old Irish girl, because I get the impression that you don't know. I hope I get the facts right, because it's been a long time since I read about this. An Irish girl had been raped, causing her to become pregnant. She wanted an abortion, but this is illegal in Ireland, and she wasn't allowed to go abroad for it either. Perhaps someone could confirm that she was indeed 14 years old, and tell us what ultimately happened, because I can't remember it clearly. Albert ++ `I know I'm sounding insane' :: Happy Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 9:53 GMT From: Merow!! Subject: personal to Albert so please cut here... Albert.. trying REALLY hard to get word back to you.. been trying ever since last wed..your mailer and my mailer are like spitting cats since they refuse to connect...still trying..bear with me.. mew. Courtney.. (thanks ecto family for your indulgence...) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 09:38:12 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Subject: conversation with chris I spoke to chris williams last night. I'm not sure if vickie was there, but i didn't ask to speak to her. It appears that she is working somewhat and hopefully will be more soon. They are going to see Tori at Shuba's tonight... unfortunately I can't make it but we will compare notes with the show I see in Mpls. Sun. They have not seen the Tori MTV thing but they did see the letterman set (which I missed). I caught Sarah on Miller's show last night, airing in Chgo at 2AM on channel 9. Man, is it a matter of time for this show, or what? Anyway, she did ITF, almost exactly as she did in concert, with full band. Hell, they were even wearing the same CLOTHES!!!! She looked quite good, although there weren't any *real* close ups. Miller was quite dorky when he thanked her a few times and she it was great, etc. Chris had some interesting theories about silent all these years' video. He thought that there were three Kate references (none of which had occurred to me, natch). 1) The box. This is a reference to the American Kick Inside cover. 2) The shoes. Those wild high heel shoes Tori wears are supposed to be identical to ones Kate wore in the secret Dutch videos. 3) The frame. The way Tori frames her face with white is a reference to the Hounds of Love cover, which in turn is derived directly from Windham Hill-like covers. Chris said around the time of Hounds of Love completion, someone in LA sent Kate the entire Windham Hills catalog. If you notice, their covers are always lots of white bg with simple geometric shapes. Kate was apparently influenced by this in her choice of HoL cover. He also mentioned that part of the SATY video reminded him of the Kate video for HoL (I think it was that one). One last thing. Dennis Miller described Sarah as "Canada's answer to Kate Bush." It always shocks me when I hear stuff like this. First off, I bet 98.2% of the 7 people watching this show who had not heard of Sarah, had not heard of Kate either. Second, I wonder if Miller even knows who Kate is? This just further supports the theory that any female slightly alt artist is instantly stapled to Kate. Silly, ain't it. -mjm "do you like or love either or both of me" ======================================================================== Date: 29-APR-1992 10:56:09.04 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Various rantings ] >>From Meredith's keyboard: >From the fingertips of Mitch: > Somehow, it feeds my ego to see one of my flights of fancy make additional >users of the Eagle system snarf (or not, depending on the actual mass reaction) >. If it doesn't confuse them first, maybe it will arouse some curiosity about >our cause, and hopefully some interest in it. But in case it eventually gets >shopworn, perhaps we should start looking toward the future, and think about >preparing additional stuff to leave behind on the CRTs. >>Ah, if I were only going to be on campus after May 31st.... I guess we'll have to find someone here at Wes to carry the banner...Surely you and I are not the only sane people here. (then again, this is the place where the grateful dead compete with your typical frat-dance type of music. perhaps we *are* the only ones. :-( ) >>Maybe we should start a campaign to get more Ectophiles at Wesleyan. Valerie, >>you with me on this? We were already thinking of having a KaTefan Koming ouT silly question, meredith. :-) >>Party before exams, to force all the KloseTed KaTefans out of the woodwork and >>into an area with a stereo, TV, and VCR... we could do some serious >>Happyvangelization then! Heh heh ;> maybe even a banner at mocon! Albert pens in lightning speed: >Thanks to Jeff Burka for mentioning TIM, Loreena McKennitt, Sarah >McLachlan and Enya in one sentence! (We seem to have a very similar >musical taste! And I also have a little sister who listens to New well, i may not be jeff (or at least i wasn't last time i looked in the mirror...), but that sort of music taste is abundant here...most everyone on ecto has great music taste (well, almost great. i don't think there are many madonna fans on ecto. am i the only one? or is drukman around? :-) ). isn't ecto wonderful? And on other notes: the other day i was talking with meredith, and i mentioned that i couldn't think of any ecto-philes who live in the southern us (not california, but the *real* south, e.g. georgia, alabama, etc.) there are floridians, but they aren't true southerners. :-) anyone from the south? i may be moving to atlanta, so if not, there will be one soon! happy birthday to everyone who has had one recently! can't keep up with all the april bdays. and i hope people had a great time at the tori concert monday. i was thinking of you (with large pangs of envy). will i ever learn my lesson? vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn"WILL I PAY FOR WHO I'VE BEEN?"vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn Valerie Nozick vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnTORI AMOSvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 08:18:12 -0700 From: Rodney Somerstein Subject: Sarah McLachlan in SF - who's going? I will be attending the Sarah McLachlan concert at Bimbo's in San Francisco on 4/30 and wanted to find out if anyone else is going. I'd love to meet other people on this list. Let me know, -Rodney ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodney Somerstein rodneys@apple.com CIS: 73167,2165 AppleLink: SOMERSTEIN1 (408)974-7889 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 10:16:32 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Thanks for your information, Stephen, though it means that the person isn't you. The jacket he's wearing is all red with white stripes at the shoulders. Unfortunately, all you can see is that jacket and part of the back of his head! Any other guesses? Tracy wonders: OK. Tapes going to CO. Any idea when these will get duped? Any guess- timation from the guy you're sending them to? It depends on a couple of things. First, I haven't gotten woj's package yet. I also don't know how many orders there are. In general, I've been able to dub six or seven tapes per day. A wild guess is that I would get your tapes in the mail late next week, if everything goes right. Now that I have listened to Greg's tapes, I will second Tracy's compliment on the quality, as it was better than I expected. Valerie laments: i don't think there are many madonna fans on ecto. Actually, we had a Madonna thread late last year and that enticed quite a few Madonna fans to surface around here (though not me). Also, the last geographic list posted showed no Ectophiles in the South, so you'll be able to hold down that part of the world from Atlanta, like I try to cover all of the Rocky Mountain States! It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it! :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: 29-APR-1992 11:26:18.47 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: tori concert censorship? woj discourses: >anybody else catch her on letterman last night? not too bad of a >performance. this is one of the few times that i thought that paul >schaffer and his band worked well with the musical guest. they're >not the perfect backing for tori, but they were adequate. i would >have liked to have had the piano mixed higher though. but otherwise, >it was very good. she did seem a bit shaky in the wailing parts of >the song (she performed "crucify"), but in front of a few million >or so tv viewers, who wouldn't be? chalk up another missed opportunity to this damn play i'm working on. would anyone care to transcribe the interview part of this for us poor people who missed it? thanks ahead of time. >i sez: >>in case anybody doesn't read gaffa, i forgot to mention that the tori show >>i was at was recorded by abc tv for their "in concert" series. i dunno when >>it will be broadcast, but i'm looking forward to it as the show was excel- >>lent. >but a lot of the songs are pretty sensitive. rape, christianity, sex are >all there and in none a too positive light. i think it'd be fantastic for >abc to go off the deep end with something real like this (instead of the >imaginary world of la law or whatever), but i somehow don't see it hap- >pening...anybody else wonder the same thing? it's no different from all the 'movie-of-the-week' things, really. rape, sex appear all the time on network tv. christianity is the sunday morning fare. it's just that they're presented in a more realistic light in tori's songs. i'm not as cynical as you are, woj. i think that they would keep her songs in, and not censor the harsher songs. remember, this is the woman that emptv (which wouldn't even play ruth because it was too sexy (supposedly)), has accepted as their new darling. and if an artist is accepted (and actively pushed) by emptv, then the network shouldn't have a problem with it. sadly, emptv has become the music industry's standard nowadays when it comes to what music is deemed 'acceptable'. besides, abc is the station that showed 'justify my love', a controversial (and IMHO terrible) video and song (even madonna can have an off day). even though tori's songs deal with serious, sensitive issues, a network won't be afraid of that...probably most of the suits who make the programming decisions will be reading the emptv playlist rather than actually *listening* to tori's songs! so, those of us who know better will just reap the benefits of a broadcasted tori concert and tori videos, and enjoy the feeling of one upsmanship we'll get from knowing the whole story. >woj p.s. anyone notice the vogue phrase in the sarah-boston concert? yay. also, i think it's in 'terms' that they seem to be singing in the background 'sarah, sarah (ad infinitum)'. seems a little ridiculous...as if we don't know who she is! :-) vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn"WILL I PAY FOR WHO I'VE BEEN?"vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn Valerie Nozick vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu vnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnTORI AMOSvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvnvn ======================================================================== Date: 29 April 1992 15:12:22 CDT From: Subject: Odd lots, content-wise Believe it or not, I woke up in time to catch Sarah McLachlan on Dennis Miller's show last night. I liked her performance just as much as everyone else who's discussed it in these pages. The discussion of Tori Amos' concert all feeds back into what I wrote, quite some time ago, about the midlist. Artists who aren't headliners (yet, anyway :-) ) have more freedom to kibitz with the fans after the show, unload tchotchkes on them, etc.; wherein lies much of what makes them more attractive to the likes of we, both live and on record, than many superstars, methinks. Welcome to the midlist, Tori! Power to the midlist, all! The _Tribune_ gave Tracy Chapman's new album two stars the other day. "...inspires more respect than rapture," went the headline. They did say that it came alive for one song or so, but mostly sounds exactly like her previous albums. The same issue reviewed the Cowboy Junkies/John Prine concert, and observed that Margo Timmins sounded like she could use a good fix of coffee. Ironically, in the comic pages, the day's Sylvia strip dealt with the notion of transdermal caffeine patches for people like Margo (or the Trib's character- ization of her, at least). I find it reassuring to learn that the full weight of developing new product ideas for the world is not on my shoulders :-). last week they reviewed the Sugarcubes concert, and didn't think much of it, saying in effect that Bjork's singing was a dissonant mishmash. They did like the opening act, whose name I've unfortunately forgotten. While waiting for a somewhat infrequent bus earlier today, I killed time in a nearby record store and happened to find the debut album by Sophie B. Hawkins, whom I mentioned in passing last week. It's called "Tongues and Tails," on Columbia. You might enjoy it. Nobody has likened her to Kate, vitiating somewhat the generalization that somebody just made to that effect. NPR's critic likened her to Bette Midler, I think she's more like Rickie Lee Jones with elements of Laura Nyro. I'm listening to it right now, and appar- ently it hasn't reached the tracks that NPR played a week ago, which were bette r than the one that just ended. Oh well. Got a question for the zoologically inclined. A couple of weeks ago, one of the resident company of stray cats that frequents my backyard showed up pregnant. Several weeks before that, I noticed it being humped by one of the other regulars. How many more weeks before the patter of little claws, and how many little claws are we talking? To paraphrase Columbo, just one more thing. I saw Vickie yesterday, and she seems in quite good spirits. She's working at a temporary job for the moment, and apparently has a fix on another one for the next short period. I'm helping her put a resume together, the better to land a job that will last. I'd been meaning to tell her that that tape someone mentioned was on the way, but forgot. I'll try to remember when I meet her again next week. To paraphrase Dick Buckley, until we get together again, happyness. Mitch ======================================================================== From: kIrI Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1992 18:06:58 EDT Subject: Re: Odd lots, content-wise On Apr 29, 3:12pm, wrote: } While waiting for a somewhat infrequent bus earlier today, I killed time } in a nearby record store and happened to find the debut album by Sophie B. } Hawkins, whom I mentioned in passing last week. It's called "Tongues and } Tails," on Columbia. You might enjoy it. Nobody has likened her to Kate, I saw the first SBH video on MTV the other day.....excellent video - terrible song. I can't remember the name of the song, it was quite long...but it was pretty awful. The video on the other hand was really something else, in fact it's what caught my eye and made me stay on MTV (rather than watch America's Cup go NZ!! :) ). I'm actually surprised that MTV hasn't been playing the video more often. kIrI -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Black room mirror echoes hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu< > Warm blood tickles ebony lips Kirstin A. Hargie (kIrI)< > tear the cracking bone asunder "Just another 20-something< > set to grovel screams Gothic." < > fire whips < ----------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Apr 92 18:51:06 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: A_NEW_ECTOPHILE Hello........ My name is Chris.....and...well...I'm an ECTOPHILE ;) I guess it all started this past autumn when an Albany-based friend of mine (Hi, Ken) and I, had one of our conversations about "obscure/esoteric/ weird(sic)" music....really just music out of the mainstream. I don't have to tell _you_ all about the (un)natural selection of music-business survivors. Kate Bush's name came up (Ken has way more KB and other really neat stuff on CD or LP than I do). Well -- unpopular as this may make me here -- I was -- in the context of contrasting Kate's music with that, say, of 'The Dead'. I am _not_ a DeadHead, but I do enjoy the simplicity and *soul* of their music. I was making the point that, even though Kate is more "artistic", that I *enjoy* the Dead's music more. "There's something missing...." not necessarily in Kate's music, but possiblyin my ability to identify/vibrate-in-accordance-with it. Anyway, Ken mentioned HR and sent a tape (most of ECTO on side A, and most of Warpainton side B). First time through, I noticed the obvious similarities between HR and KB. These similarities became less obvious with subsequent listenings. Happy's unique voice prevailed (and has continued to do so with each successive playing of the tape). This led to my attending the 3/18 concert at QE2 in Albany. I am now hopelessly hooked (ask my girlfriend who complains about the frequency with which I play the tape). Happy's music is incredibly satisfying on all fronts. The QE2 was probably the best show I've ever attended. Musically, the performance was tight and excellently orchestrated. The content was (naturally) powerful _and_ beautiful. To see her "succeed" in "the business" (while maintaining her integrity) will go a long way to curbing my cynicism as concerns the quality of "pop" music. [I hope not to be as long-winded in future communiques :P ] So, who are you people anyway??? ;) I briefly met Meredith at the QE2 show, and also ran into a woman who had come from Chicago (with a purse full of Happytapes :) I figure that a few of y'all were there, though I didn't meet you. I live near the UCONN Storrs Campus. I will curtail my narrative introduction before it begins to sound like a personal ad, and sign off.... Chris Sampson =:<) | "But music hides me so well chris%uconnns.uucp@hartford.edu | and reveals me...oh well..." PS (to Jessica) I've talked with the network manager here. We don't have an internet node per se. While there is a way to use ftpmail or some such thing, I haven't had any luck yet. For the time being, my interest in the ECTO archives is primarily in lyrics, primarily those from ECTO and WARPAINT. I would be eternally grateful -- give or take a millenium ;) -- if you could mail me those while I try to sort this out. [I'm assuming that sheet music and/or fake book arrangements are not available :>] Thanks again. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)