Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #212 ecto, Number 212 Thursday, 9 April 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Peter Gabriel's Passion Re: Vickie will be off-line Hi vickie/tori tour Sarah McLaughlin concert review -- NYT sarah stuff Sarah McLaughlin concert review (text) I wrote for you... ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:52:49 +0800 From: Ken Taylor Subject: Peter Gabriel's Passion Hi guys... This is my first post here - feels kinda spooky really !! I noticed Greg Bossert mentioned Peter Gabriel's "Passion" in a recent post about a Tori Amos concert. I recently bought this album from a local record store basically because of the cover (*grin*). I was REALLY impressed with it.. Even on first listen I was blown away by the depth of sound in this recording (it's an AAD), it's spine tingling stuff... I especially like tracks 3 & 5 ("Of These Hope" and "Of These Hope, Reprise") - while these tracks are playing, I simply cannot sit still !! The lead into track three from track 2 ("Gethsemane") is incredible - just the thing for a dark room with the headphones on (even better if the neighbours are out !). Gethsemane is made up largely of digital samples of a flute played at varying pitches (very wierd).... As a local music presenter (Molly Meldrum) would say "Do yourself a favour" and have a listen... Ken ps: I MUST have one of these ECTO T-Shirts... Where can I get one (jessica?) pps: Any news on the CDs from HR/AG of the first albums ?? ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Re: Vickie will be off-line Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:47:31 WST Wow... I wish I had a 'Chris' to keep me in line like that. :) :| Hope it all works out, katefans. Martin -- ,--------------------------+-------------------------------. _ . | Feel the searing heat of | Martin Dougiamas. | ~ _r' Ll\ ~ | heightened conciousness. | martin@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au | | \ ~ | Feel the yearning for | Curtin University | ~ \ ._ / ~ | peace and happiness. | Perth, Western Australia | -->X~ `-' ~ `======= * Happy Rhodes * =+===============================' V ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 13:14:26 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: Vickie will be off-line hi ! I know I should probably stay out of this, but I just can't. I am really shocked by the sad news about Vickie. I sometimes wondered how Vickie could find the time to do everything she's been doing. Like writing all those long posts to ecto and gaffa, reading rec.music.misc, making compilation tapes, doing radio shows... I never would have thought that it would become such a big problem for her. I must take care not to spend too much time on the net myself. It actually takes me a lot of time to write my messages. (And I still don't like them. :-) I sent some long ones personally to Vickie a few days ago. So I must admit that I also increased Vickie's work load. Chris writes: > I have tried every tactic I can, and this is the only one that works. I wonder if this kind of shock-therapy will do Vickie any good... I think that Vickie would really like to stay in touch with us, one way or the other. Perhaps someone could print out ecto-digests and send them to Vickie. That would at least keep her away from the computer. Just one of my stupid ideas... it would probably just make her want to reply. :-( > Chris Williams of > Chris'n'Vickie (or Vickie'n'Chris) > katefans@chinet.chi.il.us Martin writes: > Hope it all works out, katefans. I subscribe to that!!! > Martin I think I'll go listen to Kate's _Deeper Understanding_ when I get home... Albert ++ `I know I'm sounding insane' :: Happy Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 11:05:56 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Subject: Hi vickie/tori tour Still unable to send mail to chinet: Yes, vickie, I noticed melissa's tour schedule. Unfortunately, I have other plans for the 29th in chicago. but fortunately, I will likely be in Minneapolis (this is a real coincidence) on May 3rd, so I should be able to catch her there, assuming the tour info was correct (I hope so). I picked up tori's Winter cd-single import, but would still like to find the other ones before the concert. Maybe I can get tower to import them. -stillskepticalaboutsmellsliketeenspiritcoverwillbeliveitwheniseeitmjm ======================================================================== Date: 9-APR-1992 13:27:52.34 From: MasterMind Subject: Sarah McLaughlin concert review -- NYT Has anybody else read the review of Sarah's Union Square concert in the New York Times (4/9)? I unfortunately didn't get to see the concert, but found the review interesting. (if no one else posts it, and there's interest, I'll type it in) It wasn't the best of reviews...the reviewer seemed to have a hard time differentiating Sarah from the rest of the 'folk music crowd'. Huh? I don't know if I would classify her stuff as folk music. But then again, i wouldn't know how to classify her music at all. The reviewer (Stephen Holden) gave Sarah no credit for originality...at various times she is described as a folk music woman, a George Harrison throwback, and "given to intensely romantic, vaguely surreal outpourings in which personal crises are abstracted into quasi-mystical scenarios". I love the NYT--they always try to be as intellectual as possible, and always end up sounding like they don't know what they're talking about (at least that's true when they get into anything non-classical). What's worse is that they use one of her worst lines to demonstrate that point. I don't know why this review bothered me, except perhaps that I think _Solace_ is one of the best albums to come out this year. Other questions about the Sarah concert...the review claims that she was often drowned out by the percussion. Is this true? And they mention that she covered "Gloomy Sunday". Does anyone have a recording of this? Does she sing this at every concert? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "Is there so much hate for the ones we love? vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu Tell me we both matter, don't we?"--Kate Bush ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 13:43:26 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: sarah stuff Valerie, do type in the review, if you would! I've never gotten any kind of "folky" feeling from her music, but the *concert* did feel as though there were a lot of folky influences, mostly just from the way she moves, the way she plays guitar (physically, not the way it sounds neccessarily). I can't imagine not finding her unique, strange. The drummer is quite good, and in boston the drums were very noticeable, but they never drowner her out at all. Perhaps the mix in NY was not as good. So far all of the concert reports have mentioned that cover. She did it in boston. it was *very* nicely done. Someone ought to have a recording of it, the concert was broadcast on WFNX up there, and I beleive at least 3 people got it on tape. Hopefully dubs will work their way around. Perhaps it's something we could add to doug's list of things? jessica ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: sarah stuff Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:55:37 EDT Valerie writes: >>It wasn't the best of reviews...the reviewer seemed to have a hard time >>differentiating Sarah from the rest of the 'folk music crowd'. The Boston Globe review wasn't that great either. I don't know what they expected... and Jessica writes: >I've never gotten any kind of "folky" feeling from her music, Funny you should say that. When Solace came out and I went to the MIT Coop on my way home to buy it, I looked all over the place for it, and couldn't find it. I asked the guy at the cashier, and he said follow me... walked me to the folk section, and took a solace out for me. I said: 'You think this is folk???!!' Since then they have moved her to the rock section, but apparently many people think of her as folk. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: 9-APR-1992 13:55:18.82 From: MasterMind Subject: Sarah McLaughlin concert review (text) Thanks to Jessica's *incredible* speed in replying, here's the Sarah McLaughlin concert review that I mentioned in my earlier message: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The New York Times Thursday, April 9, 1992 written by Stephen Holden Sarah McLaughlin, a 23-year-old singer and songwriter from Canada, has a taste for brooding, introspective music and oracular pronouncements. For the final encore of her concert at the Union Square Theater on Tuesday evening, she cheerfully introduced a solo acoustic version of the Billie Holiday favorite, "Gloomy Sunday," as "one of the most depressing songs ever written." Performing "Gloomy Sunday" in a high, sweet voice that had a heart-tugging catch, she showed that this suicidal reverie could work just as well as a spare folk lament as it does when dressed up with jazz-torch instrumentation. Tuesday's concert was a special showcase for a performer whose two albums on Arista Records, "Touch" and "Solace" have built her a small cult following in the United States. The performance concentrated on songs from "Solace," the second and better of the two records. The material on the album reveals a songwriter given to intensely romantic, vaguely surreal outpourings in which personal crises are abstracted into quasi-mystical scenarios. "Into the Fire," her recently released single, is typical. "I will stare into the sun until its light doesn't blind me," she proclaims. The musical settings for such declarations adhere to a conventional folk-rock format, but with exotic instrumental touches and dissonances added to lend the textures a Celtic flavor. The most effective numbers on Tuesday were songs like "The Path of Thorns" and "Lost" that were arranged by the singer and her five-member band to evoke a chiming solemnity reminiscent of George Harrison's mystical early-1970's ballads. That mood was enhanced with candles and incense. But for all her declarations of fearlessness, the aura Miss McLachlan projected was still one of innocence and fragility. Her voice is sweet, but not large. And in those songs that required a backbeat, her singing was drowned out by the drums. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was it just an off day for her? I can't imagine that she has such a weak voice. Perhaps it was all the interviews and such that she did before the concert. (Anyone know what those interviews were? All I know is that according to the record company, she was being kept busy every minute from the Boston show to the NY one.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "Is there so much hate for the ones we love? vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu Tell me we both matter, don't we?"--Kate Bush ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== From: im a Nitsrik Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:20:10 EDT On Apr 9, 1:55pm, MasterMind wrote: } } has a taste } for brooding, introspective music and oracular pronouncements. } Arista Records, "Touch" and "Solace" have built her a small cult following in } the United States. The performance concentrated on songs from "Solace," the } second and better of the two records. T Oh how I love pretentious music critics.... Solace the better album....I tend to disagree. I think they are equally brilliant - obviously this reviewer hasn't listened to Touch very much. Anyone hearing Touch wouldn't dare to call her 'Folk.' Anyway _for me_ each album has it's own magic, they are completely different (stylistically speaking) that for me it's hard to put one ahead of the other. } songwriter given to intensely romantic, vaguely surreal outpourings in which } personal crises are abstracted into quasi-mystical scenarios. "Into the Fire," } hehehe quasi??? I thought they _were_ mystical... :) } was still one of innocence and fragility. Her voice is sweet, but not large. } And in those songs that required a backbeat, her singing was drowned out by the } drums. not large...goodness... } Was it just an off day for her? a really....sheesh... kIrI - a Nit -even though this week has been complete shit (spring break down the tubes....I did get GOOD news...got into Cornell Grad School! *bounce* *bounce bounce* m:-) extremely happy camper now!- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 09:36:06 EDT From: ken@startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: Vickie will be off-line I know that Chris will not see this, but I completely understand his point of view, having had my productivity decrease dramatically while working on my thesis a year and a half ago. Unrestricted net-access is not necessarily a good thing. Luckily now my access is not unrestricted. And my will power is stronger. :^) It is not a trivial problem.. I hope that everything works out okay. -ken ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: I wrote for you... (fwd) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:33:05 PDT April 9, 1992 I wrote for you I wrote for you and no one else Laying on my bed feeling the sun come in and wake my eyes I arise and my feet touch the cold hardwood floor Clunk! Easing myself into these clothles bare is my soul waiting for you to run over me Take me, Take from me Take it and be gone But you stayed, living in my house, your scent wafting in the rafters enclosed in the beams tickling the child I called my own We all laughed Our pores sweating water molecules I swear we could have shit in our jeans and not cared. Well, maybe. Your hand touched the welts on my back these wounds I have scarring me silly Still you stayed with me holding my hand long into the night even when I cried and woke up in the middle of the night. Thank you and I love you. -JB Schreiter ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)