From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #321 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, November 9 2001 Volume 07 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- wow wow wow wow (Dresden Dolls) [Ofer Inbar ] Re: Shortlistofmusic.com [Greg Bossert ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] julia [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Flash me up ["Ken Descoteaux" ] buffed up....catching up... [adamk@zoom.co.uk] International postal rates [Gary Davis ] RE: Flash me up [Phil Hudson ] Re: Shortlistofmusic.com [Sue Trowbridge ] Extremely Rare Sandy Denny/Strawbs tracks released [ABershaw@aol.com] Annie Haslam Holiday appearances [Ted ] Re: getting buffed [Joseph Zitt ] Re: getting buffed [meredith ] Re: getting buffed [Jessweiser24@aol.com] postage for left hand demos [Amanda ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 02:03:54 -0500 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: wow wow wow wow (Dresden Dolls) I know I haven't been paying attention to ecto much recently, but I just got blown away by a live show and it made me think of ecto... Tonight Dresden Dolls played at WBRS, and not so coincidentally, I saw them live for the first time. Dresden Dolls is Amanda Palmer, who writes and signs and plays keyboard, and her drummer / guitarist. Liz Nickrenz (another musician I've posted about on ecto) has been telling me about Amanda for some time, and I finally met her at a Scissorkiss concert a couple of months ago. Scissorkiss is the industrial synthpop band that Liz is fronting as of last winter. So, I booked Amanda's band for a WBRS show, and also for a show I'm putting together at the Middle East w/Scissorkiss & Molly Zenobia on November 19th (more on that in another post). But, until tonight, I had never actually seen her perform. I wasn't engineering tonight, so I was thinking I might go to see the show or I might not. I got into work early, and work dragged on, and finally when I got to leave at 10pm I was feeling tired and really wanted to go home to sleep. On my way home from work, I turned on WBRS, and heard Dresden Dolls... and changed course and headed there. I was blown away, jaw-dropping dumbfounded. My emotional reaction to her performance was more similar to my emotional reaction to the first Veda Hille performance I saw, than anything else. Veda with her band, at some college in CT a few years ago. It had that same kind of flavor to it. Trauma and beauty intertwined, darkness that's not necessarily in the minor keys, sudden jumps and jolts from cute to thunderous to sweet to sharp to gothic to crashing to delicacy to abyss. I haven't had this strong a reaction to a new (to me) musician in 14 months [14 months ago, to the day, was when I first saw Molly Zenobia play]. It's going to take me a while to come down off the effects of seeing this show. After it was over I was temporarily spoiled for music, craving only to listen to things of the same level of power. I stuck Spine in the CD player at WBRS just before I left, while the engineer was cleaning up, and cued it to strange, sad. I got in my car, tuned in, and turned up the volume. INSTRUCTIONS. One Hot Summer. Then, fortunately, I had a CD-R of a live Molly Zenobia concert loaded in the car, so I flipped to the rearranged band version of "When Does The Bullet Fall" (originally recorded solo on Skin, now significantly reworked). That carried me home. At home, on IRC, I raved about the show, and discovered that one of my friends has a good friend who was once in a tangled relationship mess involving Amanda... and that he's got some MP3's of some old recordings of hers that probably aren't available anywhere. So I downloaded them and listened to some and now finally maybe I can sleep. In less than two weeks, Dresden Dolls and Molly Zenobia will share a stage and play consecutive sets. And Scissorkiss, too. When I put this show together, I thought I knew what I was doing, but I didn't really know what I was doing. To myself, at least. This show will likely blow my mind, but fortunately I'm good at staying sane :) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@aaaaa.org cos@polyamory.org -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ "Would you still love the sky if there wasn't any blue?" -- Molly Zenobia, "Sky" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:47:46 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Shortlistofmusic.com well, to try and bring this topic back towards things ectonic: i note that i have seen some lovely and surprising things done with Flash, Shockwave, Dynamic HTML, and other proprietary and/or less than ubiquitous tools on the web. to me, it doesn't feel that far from an indie musician taking the tools of the very corporate, marketing-driven music industry and producing something special. i do understand peoples' frustrations -- my primary browser is Mozilla under MacOS X, and many plugins are not available. but i feel that it is more important to encourage creative expression via the web than it is to ensure 100% access for all to those expressions. i don't expect every concert to be in my town, nor every book to be in english; i likewise don't expect every site on the web to pop up effortlessly on my browser. i feel the creator or publisher of the information earns the right to decide how it is expressed, and that right is stronger than my right to access the information. this doesn't mean i don't get stumped, sometimes to the point of giving up on a site; i just don't get upset about it. upset isn't much fun, anyway. i had a number of long conversations with Tim Berners-Lee in '94 and '95, as the World Wide Web Consortium was getting started (i was nearly their lead software architect). i can attest that his goal was not to hold the web to the original functionality that he devised, but rather to encourage it to continue to grow in the crazed, organic fashion that has made it so extraordinary. we wouldn't have sound, or pictures, or even the original simple marked up text if people had waited for every computer to support such features. now, i can't say that www.shortlistofmusic.com is an example of the sort of wonderous art i look for on the web. as a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to represent much interesting in regards to music, either, despite the talents of some of the "listmakers". it's just another bit of hype and self-promotion -- i doubt Greg Spotts and Virgin Magastores are in it to really highlight independent talent, and i find it unpleasant that they've tried to wedge in a Sept. 11 charity connection. it doesn't seem like a worthy forum for promoting Happy or any other ecto artist. - -g ('tah) - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 03:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Jens Brage (no Email address) ********************** ******************** Lynn Garrett (LynnK68685@aol.com) ******************** ********************** Sam Murgie (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Marla Tiara Tue November 13 1973 Scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: julia Hi.. Welcome to the list Julia Macklin. Am enjoying Half wild and can recommend it to all ectophiles. Its very nice. Anna Maria np-Michelle Young-Marked for Madness Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:33:59 -0500 From: "Ken Descoteaux" Subject: Flash me up > As of Sept 2001, 97.4% of Web browsers being shipped had Flash > preinstalled. That's not 97.4% of the existing market. It ignores > all the browsers already in existance. > It also includes all those AOL disks that get tossed in the trash and every copy of Windows shipped, whether or not that PC ever connects to the Internet. It all depends on what the definition of "shipped" is. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:46:20 +0000 (GMT) From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: buffed up....catching up... As always, coming in far too late to contribute anything constructive, but I have to say (no,I really have to) that I'm soo glad someone bought this up. I've been a Buffy fan since the beginning, but being a Brit, and a Brit without cable, I'm still stuck in season 5 (I believe it is). It's made more difficult by the fact that my girlfriend absolutely HATES it, so I have to tape it and watch it when she's not around. Apart from finding this a consistently well-written and lovingly (an appropriate word, I think) acted show, I've been fascinated by the music that they play. Sure, a lot of it sounds kind of generic to me, but since I heard them play Jonatha Brooke in one of the early episodes, I've been listening closely. And what is it with the Lotion connection? Is Joss a fan? (one week they were playing live, the next a Lotion sticker on a locker figured prominently). And --- what happened to Lotion, anyway? I look forward to this "Once More -- With Felling" episode, which I should get to see sometime next Christmas. So don't worry about any "spoilers" -- I'm bound to have forgotten them by the time I get to see it. best, adam k. Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:57:26 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: International postal rates Hi, folks: In regards to the Left Hand Demos that have been shipping out, one donor recently inquired about international shipping rates. His reasoning was that while he did want to make a donation to Happy, he wanted to make sure it was a sufficient donation that wouldn't be gobbled up by international shipping costs. Definitely a very considerate fellow. Well, being in the mail order business myself, I know something about postal rates. Here's a website that I find invaluable: http://ircalc.usps.gov/ This is the URL for the US Postal Service's International Rate Calculator. So if any of you have the same question as that fellow, this website will give you the postal rates from the US to any other country. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:26:03 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Flash me up Good point; in my studio, where AOL and old Microsoft disks are used as coasters, it could be said that 99% of all the coffee mugs are Flash-equipped. - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Descoteaux [mailto:ken@aviancommunications.com] It also includes all those AOL disks that get tossed in the trash and every copy of Windows shipped, whether or not that PC ever connects to the Internet. It all depends on what the definition of "shipped" is. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:14:33 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: Shortlistofmusic.com On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Joseph Zitt wrote: > "What color is 'blue'?" and "What is the scent of a rose?" are all > information that can not be adequately transmitted in words, either > spoken or written. (Actually, the answer to the last question can't be > transmitted in any form yet, unless someone's working on developing > scratch'n'sniff plugins :-]) They are, or should I say, they WERE. A Bay Area company called DigiScents spent two years trying to develop a plugin to transmit odors over the Internet before going out of business a few months ago. Their "iSmell Scent Box" was featured in WIRED magazine. Yes, this all sounds like something out of The Onion, but it's true! - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:18:58 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Extremely Rare Sandy Denny/Strawbs tracks released Hi all, After many years of listening to a really poor quality tape, an old friend (Charles at RockinWorld.com) informed me of an new CD release of one of the ultimate Sandy Denny-related rarities; the "Strawberry Music Sampler No. 1." For those unfamiliar with this 1969 LP, only 99 copies were pressed on 12" vinyl as a Strawbs publishing demo and there are only two vinyl copies known to exist. The record includes 17 tracks circa 1967. At the time, the tracks were considered outtakes from the then-abandoned first Strawbs LP. This rare album included different versions of material later released on the rare "All Our Own Work" LP and "Sandy & The Strawbs" CD, as well as unreleased songs. According to the liner notes, its one of the UK's most collectible records and the 2001 Record Collector Guide values it at 500 pounds. Anyway, the sound quality on the CD is near perfect. It appears to be an authorized release, but other than a catalogue number (WC CD 2002) I can't find a label mentioned on the packaging. Its a low budget cover, with no photos, but the music is worth checking out, especially for Sandy collectors and fans of The Strawbs circa 1967. The original LP tracklist follows. Alan Strawberry Music Sampler No. 1 Side 1: All I Need Is You Stay Awhile With Me Sail Away To The Sea Two Weeks Last Summer Nothing Else Will Do Who Knows Where The Time Goes I've Been My Own Worst Friend I Turned My Face Into The Wind On Growing Older Side 2: And You Need Me Ah Me, Ah My And You Need Me/ Josephine, For Better Or Worse Just The Same In Every Way How Everyone But Sam Was A Hypocrite Young Again Whichever Way The Wind Blows Sweetling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 20:52:55 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Annie Haslam Holiday appearances Experience the 'Holiday Spirit' with ANNIE HASLAM and Friends Sat. Dec. 8th - The Keswick Theatre, Genside, PA. For tickets call: 215-572-7650 Sat. Dec. 15th - The Upper Tinicum Lutheran Church, Upper Black Eddy, PA. Ticket price $27.50 includes Christmas Vegetarian Fayre Food served 7- 8 PM. Showtime 8:15 PM. General Admission. For tickets send check or money order with a business sized self addressed, stamped envelope to: The White Dove Organization Inc. c/o PO Box 12, Folsom, PA., 19033 For information phone 610-859-0366 Sat. Dec. 22nd - The Strand Theatre, Lakewood, NJ. For tickets call: 732-367-7789 `It Snows in Heaven Too' Annie's Wonderful Christmas CD, a great gift for the holidays, is available now at www.anandaangels.com or can be purchased at the shows. Visit Annie's website at www.anniehaslam.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:20:15 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: getting buffed For those who just can't get buffed enough, unofficial MP3s and lyrics are at http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/misc.html Since I'm on a slow dial-up, I can't vouch for the MP3s, but the transcripts look accurate (as do the others on this site). I understand that the show will re-air Friday night, but with one number cut to fit the usual 1 hour length. (My hunch is that it'll be the Anya and Xander duet, but that's just a guess.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:19:46 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: getting buffed Hi, Joe posted: >I understand that the show will re-air Friday night, but with one number >cut to fit the usual 1 hour length. (My hunch is that it'll be the Anya >and Xander duet, but that's just a guess.) It will. Here's what Joss posted about what was cut: (spoiler warning) >The short version will air I think a week from fri -- it was hell to do, >but we pulled out "If Were together" entirely, plus a verse from spike and >a verse from "Walk through the fire". Plus a messload of dialogue, the >overture and Dawn's Ballet. All gone. So tonight -- and the inevitable if >very far off DVD are the real versions of the show. The rerun is kind of >like highlights. Hopefully it still plays as a dramatic piece though, not >a hodgepodge. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth "an eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" -- mahatma gandhi ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:28:07 EST From: Jessweiser24@aol.com Subject: Re: getting buffed Joseph writes: > For those who just can't get buffed enough, unofficial MP3s and lyrics > are at http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/misc.html > Since I'm on a slow dial-up, I can't vouch for the MP3s, but the > transcripts look accurate (as do the others on this site). Yeah, I have been listening to "Wish I could Stay" all night. The mp3s are great. I love the last minute and a half of that song. The duet is gorgeous. I also really like "Where do we go from here" and "Walk through the fire"... There is a soundtrack coming according to Joss Whedon! TVguide.com had a blurb about it yesterday... so that is cool. (A soundtrack with the songs from "Once more with feeling"). Jess www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:48:15 +1100 (EST) From: Amanda Subject: postage for left hand demos Could that "nice fellow" who was worried about the postage refer to women as well? ;-) Amanda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ".......my neck is very slender" - Anne Boleyn _________________________________________________________________________ Amanda Williams ph(m)0417 503 130 (w) +61 3 9607 9350 fax +61 3 9607 9449 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #321 **************************