From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #305 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 07 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Lamb - what sound ["Andrew Fries" ] moulin rouge and guilty pleasures [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures ["Datura Child" ] music on the moon [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] RE: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures ["Shelly DeForte" ] RE: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures ["Datura Child" ] various rants and stuff.. [dave ] Re: Where The Wild Roses Grow ["Kel Henson" ] Re: music on the moon [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Tara MacLean (no Email address) ********************* ******************** Elin Sjoelie (lunacia@online.no) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Marla Tiara Tue November 13 1973 Scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:20:25 GMT From: "Andrew Fries" Subject: Lamb - what sound Passing the record store I noticed posters for the new Lamb in the windows. Naturally I went in, asking whether I could get a copy. Yes I could, was the answer - as soon as they finished opening the boxes! The CDs literally arrived through the door at that moment. But soon enough I was on my way home, clutching a brand new disk in my hand, for once happy with my timing. That was yesterday and I played it twice since then. So what is it like? Well, it is still Lamb although there have been some changes. Now the sound is a little bit more stripped down, production less layered. That thumping upright bass so prominent on "Fear of Fours" is sadly absent this time, though the odd time signatures remain. "Gabriel" is gorgeous in a "Gorecki" kind of way, but even though all the ingredients are there, it doesn't affect me quite the same way. That in fact might be the perfect summary of my whole experience so far. These are the early days yet and other subtleties might reveal themselves with repeated listening, but so far it just doesn't have the same "Wow factor" that Fear of Fours held for me. On that one I was never bored for a second. This time around there moments (for example on "Sweet") when I catch myself thinking "hmmm... honestly, this drags on a bit, doesn't it?" "One" emerges as one of my favourites, with its middle eastern melody, and a riff that I suspect reminds me of some long- forgotten Tangerine Dream concert, building up to a huge crescendo. "Gabriel" is also one of the highlights here, Lou's voice rich with that gorgeous quiver... This time around apparently Andy and Lou loosened their control a bit, allowing more collaboration with other producers and the guest musicians who included Michael Franti and MeShell NdegeOcello. Lyrically, they seem to follow their theme of celebration of small things and fulfillment of love.. not a lot of angst here :) Finally, the disk itself is one of those annoying "enhanced multi- media" jobs that seem to serve no other purpose than to frustrate me by making access to the actual tracks more difficult. And the Australian version comes with the bonus disk of remixes; not being one of the greatest fans of the concept of remix, I haven't even gotten around to listening to them yet, but just reading the cover I can tell you the bonus tracks are: B-line, Gold, God Bless, Trans Fatty Acid and Cotton Wool. And my final rating? Hmm... let's say, 8/10. This is undoubtedly a good, even great record, it's just that I measure it against the impossibly high standard : "Fear of Fours" is one of my favourite records of all time, so perhaps some disappointment was inevitable. But I fully expect to grow to like this one more, once I learn to take it on its own merit, rather than constantly comparing it to "Fear of Fours" And in any case, this is my problem - don't let it put YOU off! BTW, this message reaches you courtesy of BeOS running its native mail program, BeMail. How's that for obscurity? :) - --------------------------------------------------------------- "Directed denial of service attacks. Computer security averted and disabled. Files deleted from hard drives. Is this the work of malicious hackers breaking into a computer system? No. This is what the RIAA envisions is fair play in their crusade to control the distribution of copyrighted material." - arstechnica.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures Hi.. Belatedly went to see Moulin Rouge. It was a wild trip. Worth seeing for Kylie as the green fairy I think. Stunning visuals and music. Roxanne sounds good as a tango. A friend refused to see it cause he didnt like the mix of eras. Then said it was too commercial. I think he's missing out. The film is the ultimate gulity pleasure in these troubled times. I think I'm gonna stop being ashamed of enjoying "lower" art. what's good is good regardless of its low stature. anna maria Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:54:51 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: nowottny hits the left coast From: "abaton" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:31:04 -0700 Hello friends of Abaton, fans of Marianne Nowottny: We are proud to announce that KFJC radio in Los Altos Hills, CA has invited Marianne to perform at their listener appreciation party on November 3rd at Homestead Lanes Family Fun Center 20990 Homestead Road at Stelling in Cupertino. This will be Marianne's West Coast debut and her first trip west of New Jersey. You can imagine how excited she is. KFJC has been a staunch supporter of all things Abaton. We urge you and your pals to answer their rollicking role call and join in the family fun. Bowling, beer, Nowottny; now what more can you ask of life? For more information, please visit the KFJC website at the link below. http://www.kfjc.org/news.html The evening will include live performances by: Marianne Nowottny Blevin Blectum (with visuals by Ryan Junell) Kevin Blechdom Mark Growden lb md abc Abaton Book Company abaton@voicenet.com www.abatonbookcompany.com t: 201.369.1591 f: 201.369.0297 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:29:47 -0400 From: "Datura Child" Subject: Re: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures I love this film! I went to see it way back in May when it first came out. I wanted to see it again, but they pulled it before I had the chance. I think it's the best movie out so far this year (no that there was much compitition...) It's got that whole cheezy over-the-top Phantom of the Opera vibe going....and, well, Ewan MacGregor. Cant beat that. If you're willing to not only suspend your disbelief but leave it at home locked in a deep dark closet it'll completely take you over. But do yourself a favour--PLEASE don't buy the soundtrack. You'll regret it. BTW--where is it still playing? Megan >From: anna maria "stjdrnell" >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi.. >Belatedly went to see Moulin Rouge. It was a wild trip. Worth seeing for Kylie as the green fairy I think. Stunning visuals and music. Roxanne sounds good as a tango. A friend refused to see it cause he didnt like the mix of eras. Then said it was too commercial. I think he's missing out. The film is the ultimate gulity pleasure in these troubled times. I think I'm gonna stop being ashamed of enjoying "lower" art. what's good is good regardless of its low stature. >anna maria >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:35:36 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Sample of Left Hand Demos Hi, folks: For any of you who have yet to order your copy of Left Hand Demos, I've recently updated my Happy Rhodes Donation Page to include a cover graphic and a soundbite from the CD at the bottom of the page. Overall I think it sounds great myself and I suspect those who now have it are quite delighted with it. If you want to check it out, you'll find the graphic and soundbite at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:38:11 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: music on the moon Hi, I have a piece of deeply imbedded memory that Ralph Towner's ICARUS was the first music played on the moon. I have no memory at all of the source of this info. I decided to make sure it wasn't a false memory and checked the net. I can't get a search engine to get close to the answer of even _if_ there was music played on the moon. Someone more learned about Mr Towner or moon stuff or even knows better search engines could possibly solve my problem. Would one please do so? 8-) Thanks, bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:59:04 -0700 From: "Shelly DeForte" Subject: RE: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures I enjoyed Moulin Rouge as well, with one complaint. Nearly every song in the movie is one I would expect to hear on 'KWAV' or whatever your equivilent 'light rock, less talk' radio station is. I'm not sure if the audience was expected to go 'oh.. I looove that song' and take a trip down memory lane. It certainly didn't happen for me - I just thought Ughh (and coincidentally the rest of the audience did too - there would be a huge groan everytime they started a new song). I think the movie would have been fascinating with a contemporary electronica soundtrack, the idea and visuals were certainly original, why not the music? I guess I couldn't figure out why those particular songs were chosen - then I thought - Ooo, maybe it's a work of satire, criticizing the incredible mundaness of current american pop. Or maybe I just didn't get it. It's a testiment to the pure absurdity and silliness of the movie that I still enjoyed it. - - Shelly > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Datura Child > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:30 AM > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures > > > I love this film! I went to see it way back in May when it first came > out. I wanted to see it again, but they pulled it before I had the > chance. I think it's the best movie out so far this year (no that there > was much compitition...) It's got that whole cheezy over-the-top Phantom > of the Opera vibe going....and, well, Ewan MacGregor. Cant beat that. > If you're willing to not only suspend your disbelief but leave it at home > locked in a deep dark closet it'll completely take you over. But do > yourself a favour--PLEASE don't buy the soundtrack. You'll regret it. > > BTW--where is it still playing? > > Megan > > >From: anna maria "stjdrnell" >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: moulin rouge > and guilty pleasures >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi.. > >Belatedly went to see Moulin Rouge. It was a wild trip. Worth seeing for > Kylie as the green fairy I think. Stunning visuals and music. Roxanne > sounds good as a tango. A friend refused to see it cause he didnt like > the mix of eras. Then said it was too commercial. I think he's missing > out. The film is the ultimate gulity pleasure in these troubled times. I > think I'm gonna stop being ashamed of enjoying "lower" art. what's good > is good regardless of its low stature. >anna maria >Make a great > connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:50:34 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: music on the moon kerry sez: > Hi, I have a piece of deeply imbedded memory that Ralph Towner's > ICARUS was the first music played on the moon. I have no memory at all > of the source of this info. I decided to make sure it wasn't a false > memory and checked the net. I can't get a search engine to get close to > the answer of even _if_ there was music played on the moon. Google Knows All. http://www.provocateurrecords.co.uk/Artists/ralphtowner.html "He has composed the scores for various documentary films and was honoured by Apollo astronauts who carried his music on cassette to the moon and officially named two moon craters after two of his compositions, Icarus and Ghost Beads." Not quite the same as your memory (and I don't see which apollo mission it was), but his music was at the very least taken to the moon... jeff n.p. _The Well_, Chava Alberstein and the Klezmatics ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:02:35 -0400 From: "Datura Child" Subject: RE: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures I agree that the choice of music was questionable (mostly horrible)....From what I've read the director saw the piece as his tribute to the Golden Age of Hollywood musicals, which often featured pop music of the era, regardless of the period of the film (how many Judy Garland films can you think of with Victorian costumes and jazz tunes?) Whatever. What struck me was how much everyone involved obviously enjoyed what they were doing, even if some of them can't sing very well. They put alot of heart into it. Sounds kinda corny, but I think that must count for something : ) Megan >From: "Shelly DeForte" >Reply-To: >To: "ecto" >Subject: RE: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:59:04 -0700 > >I enjoyed Moulin Rouge as well, with one complaint. Nearly every song in the movie is one I would expect to hear on 'KWAV' or whatever your equivilent 'light rock, less talk' radio station is. I'm not sure if the audience was expected to go 'oh.. I looove that song' and take a trip down memory lane. It certainly didn't happen for me - I just thought Ughh (and coincidentally the rest of the audience did too - there would be a huge groan everytime they started a new song). I think the movie would have been fascinating with a contemporary electronica soundtrack, the idea and visuals were certainly original, why not the music? I guess I couldn't figure out why those particular songs were chosen - then I thought - Ooo, maybe it's a work of satire, criticizing the incredible mundaness of current american pop. Or maybe I just didn't get it. It's a testiment to the pure absurdity and silliness of the movie that I still enjoyed it. > >- Shelly > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > Datura Child > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:30 AM > > To: ecto@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: moulin rouge and guilty pleasures > > > > > > I love this film! I went to see it way back in May when it first came > > out. I wanted to see it again, but they pulled it before I had the > > chance. I think it's the best movie out so far this year (no that there > > was much compitition...) It's got that whole cheezy over-the-top Phantom > > of the Opera vibe going....and, well, Ewan MacGregor. Cant beat that. > > If you're willing to not only suspend your disbelief but leave it at home > > locked in a deep dark closet it'll completely take you over. But do > > yourself a favour--PLEASE don't buy the soundtrack. You'll regret it. > > > > BTW--where is it still playing? > > > > Megan > > > > >From: anna maria "stjdrnell" >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: moulin rouge > > and guilty pleasures >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi.. > > >Belatedly went to see Moulin Rouge. It was a wild trip. Worth seeing for > > Kylie as the green fairy I think. Stunning visuals and music. Roxanne > > sounds good as a tango. A friend refused to see it cause he didnt like > > the mix of eras. Then said it was too commercial. I think he's missing > > out. The film is the ultimate gulity pleasure in these troubled times. I > > think I'm gonna stop being ashamed of enjoying "lower" art. what's good > > is good regardless of its low stature. >anna maria >Make a great > > connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:27:17 -0700 From: Cyoakha Subject: Re: this saturday night for any bored ecto-folk in sf Dear Friends and Music Appreciators and SF Ecto-folk: Just a friendly and final reminder that our very special event: ProgressiveProjections 2001: New Progressive Rock and Projected Arts Festival is to be held this coming Saturday: October-27! Cyoakha Grace with Azigza, and new songs!!! This Event will be held in San Francisco at the Cell Space October 2050 Bryant Street, San Francisco, California Doors open at 7PM, ends at 1AM Tickets are $12. (It's a benefit for KUSF for a new transmitter) 2 stages - 5 bands on the cutting edge of musical exploration and aural limits - all choreographed to mindblowing surrealist projected imagery on 3 screens!Azigza is presenting these brand new bands to the SF public sick of the same ol same ol. From rock to jazz to world, very progressive and excellent musicianship abide in these projects, a great night with progressive causes in the gallery (EarthFirst, Artists for Peace, KUSF) For more information, to hear audioclips or questions about our event, please visit our current website: http://lionharp.com/azigza/progproj.html or call: 415 642 1466 Thanks and Warmest Regards Lionharp Music Azigza TO ALL, I have changed my email address to cyo@landoftheblind.com please update your address book, thanks Cyoakha O'Manion Music PO Box 198 Mill Valley, CA 94941 cyo@landoftheblind.com http://www.landoftheblind.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:11:57 -0400 From: "Datura Child" Subject: Where The Wild Roses Grow Right. I'm at my friend's house, picking through his CDs (as I do at everyones' house), and found this single of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and Kylie Minogue doing a song called 'Where The Wild Roses Grow". I've never actually heard Kylie Minogue before, but this doesn't seem to fit what I've heard other people say about her. It's actually quite good. Help please? Incidentally, my friend says he's never seen the thing before and has no idea how it got in his CD case. Hmm... Megan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:14:01 -0400 From: dave Subject: various rants and stuff.. I'm gonna jump in on a few of these topics.. even though they don't pertain to music much.. I'm in a mood... Markku writes: > There's nothing "natural" or beneficial about electricity or gas monopoles. I > can freely pick my electricity producer among multiple competing companies, > and in other EU countries a similar scheme is being applied to gas companies. This brings to mind Monty Python's New Gas Cooker sketch.. 'just for the books, make things easy, could you sign it Crump-Pinnet?' Someone else says... > I really tire of the " I hate Microsoft" mentality. Just wait a few weeks till Windows XP sinks in and people start seeing the real Microsoft.. Gates has already made several statements that amount to calling us all stupid thieves.. (this from a man who got his start selling blue boxes used to steal long distance service, and then for all but strictly legal purposes, stole DOS. A few of the great new things XP will let you do.. Instant messaging, digital photography, and downloading music.. things Gates says up till now only 'extreme' users were capable of setting up.. And then someone said about a Gina Chiala album: > it's dedicated inside to > `leonard peltier, mumia abu jamal, and all of those who resist U$ > imperialism' Okay, that's reason enough for me not to buy it.. Abu Jamal is a cold-blooded cop killer with a big mouth, plain and simple. Anyone that dedicates an album to a man who shoots a cop in the back, and then when he's down, shoots him point blank in the face, deserves enough record sales to have to make a living squeageeing windshields at the freeway off ramp.. done.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:45:03 -0700 From: "Kel Henson" Subject: Re: Where The Wild Roses Grow Heya ... I never thought I would hear Kylie's name mentioned so many times on this list! The Nick Cave duet is nothing like any of Kylie's other music (which has been some of the best pop music ever ... see Better The Devil You Know + Your Disco Needs you). The duet was done because Nick Cave is apparantly a bit of a Kylie fan and wanted to do something with her. I don't know if he liked her music, or just her as a pop icon. He had been spotted wearing a "Let's Get To It" shoulder bag or something at some point (Let's Get To It being Kylie's fourth album). However, all this info is from my memory 5 years ago. Great song. And if anyone is interested, Kylie's 1997 album "Impossible Princess" (simply self titled in the UK) is the closest thing to Ecto Kylie has done. She actually wrote all the lyrics and a large part of the music, and you can certainly tell that she was trying to add some brain to her songs. A great album in my opinion ... a rare look at the "real" Kylie - the pop star trying to figure herself out. Some have compared it to Garbage meets Madonna (in her electonica phase). For the best Kylie info ... http://www.kylie.co.uk Kel. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Datura Child" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Where The Wild Roses Grow > Right. I'm at my friend's house, picking through his CDs (as I do at > everyones' house), and found this single of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds > and Kylie Minogue doing a song called 'Where The Wild Roses Grow". I've > never actually heard Kylie Minogue before, but this doesn't seem to fit > what I've heard other people say about her. It's actually quite good. > Help please? Incidentally, my friend says he's never seen the thing > before and has no idea how it got in his CD case. Hmm... Megan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:20:09 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: music on the moon Hi, Jeff, Thanks, as I am this close to documentation I will presume just a bit and still say it was the first. 8-) Bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #305 **************************