From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #185 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, July 3 2001 Volume 07 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] new TORI [irvin lin ] RE: pocket guide? ["Dirk Kastens" ] Re: NPR- Tori Amos' new album [the other white meat ] Re: pocket guide? [Damon ] Re: new TORI [the other white meat ] Re: Radio interview with Erin McKeown and Veda Hille [the other white mea] Re: Musical weekend [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Musical weekend [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *********************** BunkyTom (no Email address) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Wilson Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. 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Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:02:05 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: new TORI somone wrote about the new TORI album: > No one expected this type of album. I don't think that there is even a > name for this type of album. i dunno. i am a little disappointed in this when i heard about it. i won't judge beforehand, but i was really hoping for an album of original work. i was relatively pleased with TO VENUS AND BACK despite being underwhelmed with the previous two albums, and was hoping for a continuation in this trajectory. i think it's great that artists try to expand their vocabulary and work outside the expected, but somehow this concept doesn't sound all too innovative-despite the hype. i think there have been plenty of instances of artists reworking songs to fit their own perspective. PJ HARVEY, KIM GORDON, LIZ PHAIR have all written or reworked songs to reverse gender roles. MICHAEL FEINSTEIN has reworked jazz vocal standards so that they are same sex orientated instead of the usual boy/girl love songs, as has KD LANG. this isn't even counting cover albums that STINA NORDESTAM or HOLLY COLE have done, that completely rediscover the songs creating absolute gems. i am not discounting the new album and look forward to hearing what she does with the said songs, but i am a bit irked to hear people praise her for her innovation, when i feel there is a history already in place. i realize that there may not be a COMPLETE album full of songs that have been gender reversed, but i feel that any successful cover album inherently takes already written songs and injects them with the new artists' perspective already. or why bother listening to the cover? might as well listen to the original. *shrug* irvin ps. i do like the idea that she is pulling a CINDY SHERMAN by photographing herself as the different characters of the song (again not an original idea, but if done well could be quite interesting). but is it just me, or does the photo that accompanied that article make her look like a MIME? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:15:51 +0200 From: "Dirk Kastens" Subject: RE: pocket guide? Hi, > are there many ectophiles out there with palmOS devices who'd be > interested in seeing something like that? I don't have a pilot but sometimes I also wish I had one, or better some kind of web pad where I could search online databases or compare prices. I often buy older CDs that are on sale or second hand, put them into my shelf and quickly forget about them. The next time I find them in a store I can't remember if I own them already or not and I wish I had a portable database. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:54:50 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: NPR- Tori Amos' new album when we last left our heroes, Talamasca exclaimed: >At 11:08 PM 7/1/01 EDT, Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: >>No one expected this type of album. I don't think that there is even a name >>for this type of album. > > Anyone want to take a shot? I don't think Not-Quite-Cover Album does it >for me. a pastiche album? a palimpsest album? woj n.p. molly zenobia -- wind chains (r.i.y.l. mary lydia ryan) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:13:34 -0700 From: Damon Subject: Re: pocket guide? dirk kastens wrote: > I don't have a pilot but sometimes I also wish I had one, > or better some kind of web pad where I could search online > databases or compare prices. > I often buy older CDs that are on sale or second hand, put > them into my shelf and quickly forget about them. The next > time I find them in a store I can't remember if I own them > already or not and I wish I had a portable database. this is one feature i was thinking would go well in the palm version, actually: some sort of tri-state checkbox that can toggle between `off', `want' and `have', for each artist and album. that way if you see any comments that intrigue you for an album or artist you can mark that entry `wanted', and have a list to consult next time you're in a cd store wondering what to buy. then, if you acquire the album, mark it `have' so you know next time that you already have it. i already do something similar with a program called `handyshopper'; i note down any albums i think i want, and once i encounter them i take them off the list. of course the guide would be limited to displaying/marking what's actually *in* the guide, only, so it wouldn't be a replacement for a program like handyshopper... but it might be a good supplement nonetheless. perhaps in the interest of making it more useful, an effort could be made to create at least an outline for all the artists not yet in the guide, which could include the artist and album names, without any comments or other info, just for checklist purposes. the trouble with this project is that it basically requires me to take the ectoguide site to the next level first. i need something more structured to work with than the current html entries. i've been thinking about it, and i'm guessing i have a couple of choices: develop a common code-base for the web and pilot versions and just give them different front-ends, or keep them separate and translate between the two. attractive as the first option is (imagine porting the guide to other environments), given the restrictions of the palm environment i'm guessing the second is going to end up the only real choice. in either case it's time to move the back-end of the guide to something more structured; either a structured, custom mark-up language for the entry files, or an actual database. anyway, to summarise the above: i'm thinking about it and i'm interested in doing it, but it will probably take quite a while to actually realise a big project like this. besides which i'm supposed to be working today. ;) - -damon Damon Harper _/\_ "I dislike arguments of any damon@usrbin.ca __\ /__ kind. They are always vulgar, \ / and often convincing." http://www.usrbin.ca/damon/ |/||\| - Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:24:45 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: new TORI when we last left our heroes, irvin lin exclaimed: >i dunno. i am a little disappointed in this when i heard about it. i won't >judge beforehand, but i was really hoping for an album of original work. i tend to agree. despite tori's history of transforming covers (albeit musically, not lyrically), i don't feel all that interested in an entire project based on reworking others' songs. i look forward to be proven wrong though. >i am not discounting the new album and look forward to hearing what she does >with the said songs, but i am a bit irked to hear people praise her for her >innovation, when i feel there is a history already in place. ditto. two things: 1) hype. the l.a. times article sounds more like a regurgitated press release than actual reporting and there was probably some special arrangement made for the paper to get this exclusive story which disallowed unhyped coverage. (hmmm. is the l.a. times owned by aol time warner, the parent company of atlantic records?) 2) perspective. your point about several artists having done similar things is very true but i dunno how many people are aware of them. none of the artists you mentioned are particularly obscure, but the average listener's knowledge probably isn't all that wide. given what an average listener (and i don't necessarily mean an average toriphile) knows, this is relatively innovative. >ps. i do like the idea that she is pulling a CINDY SHERMAN by photographing >herself as the different characters of the song (again not an original idea, >but if done well could be quite interesting). didn't natalie merchant do this for _ophelia_ as well? >but is it just me, or does the >photo that accompanied that article make her look like a MIME? she looks more like a ragged sarah slean to me. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:02:11 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: Radio interview with Erin McKeown and Veda Hille when we last left our heroes, Jessica Byers exclaimed: >well i didnt manage to listen to that interview. will you tell us how it went? it was more a discussion than an interview since valerie had veda and erin in the studio simultaneously and they ended up talking to each other as much as they answered valerie's questions. they talked about how the two of them had gotten together for this little mini-tour (a friend in common), each of their recent albums (one item of note: although veda's performance at the vancouver cultural center was recorded for _field study_, that was not the recording which was used for the album) and the time they had spent between the knitting factory show on monday and the acoustic cafe show on friday. veda did not have a piano available so she performed "birdsong" and then introduced a few songs from _field study_ ("evolver" and "yukon ho!" if i remember correctly). erin, having her guitar, played a few songs ("blackbirds", "love in two parts" and a new one which i think it called "civilians"). if anyone is curious, i recorded the interview and can make a copy for you. woj n.p. marianne nowottny -- manmade girl (very strange) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:42:52 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Musical weekend On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 12:14:12AM -0600, Neal Copperman wrote: > First up was the California EAR Unit. They are a 5-piece modern > music ensemble (think Kronos with different instruments). They were > pretty good, but not as striking as Kronos or the Tin Hat Trio, who > blew me away earlier in the year. And they were billed as using > turntables, but that turned out to only be on one song. Still, it > was interesting watching the percussionist carefully counting bars > before deliberately dropping the needle and unleashing some odd > noises, then going back to counting again. > > Since Joe always wants to know, they played > Spit - Nicholas Francis Chase > Cendres - Kaija Saariaho > Rhythm Sextet - Jamie Allen > Road Movies - John Adams > Go - James Sellars > Foreign Objects - John Bergamo Wow, sounds great. (Which piece had the turntables?) > F&D were pretty good. They didn't strike me as being too far afield > from a lot of other Projekt stuff I've heard. But I've never seen > any of those bands live. Everything they touched was drenched in > reverb, giving it a fuzzy indistinctness. Should I be more or less > impressed when a pair of singers harmonize well under an ocean of > reverb? FWIW, I've found that it makes it easier, since you're sort of immersed in a cloud of the right tonality, rather than having to tune to what might be rapidly changing pitches from others. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:13:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Musical weekend On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > Spit - Nicholas Francis Chase > > Wow, sounds great. (Which piece had the turntables?) The above piece is the one with turntables. neal np: The First Ever Yellowtail Sampler ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #185 **************************