From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #131 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 07 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Tom McRae Live [adamk@zoom.co.uk] Re: Tom McRae Live [Ellen Rawson ] Paula Frazer (Tarnation). [Craig Gidney ] Evelyn Glennie [Neal Copperman ] Evelyn Glennie -- Sesame Street [Valerie Richardson ] Kirsty again ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: A strong argument against encrytption ["Bill" ] RE: A strong argument against encrytption [Phil Hudson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 03:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Brian Gregory (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:06:28 +0100 (BST) From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: Tom McRae Live First, a disclaimer: Although thoroughly enjoying the gig, this review is hampered by two things: I couldn't see and I couldn't breathe. So, anyway --as part of a "package" tour catchily entitled "Roadworks -- Songwriters on Tour", Tom McRae headlined at Dingwalls, in Camden last night. A series of recent appearances opening for Dido at the Shepherds Bush Empire, as well as a full-page preview in Time Out last week seriously raised his profile, and the venue was packed. Unfortunately, it was packed with the kind of Time Out-reading tossers who don't actually like music, but only go where they think they're supposed to go, and will therefore talk REALLY LOUDLY until the headline act came on, thus presenting an uphill struggle for all the other artists on the bill. These artists were, on the whole, a mixed bag, starting with someone called Rebecca (didn't catch her last name -- songs were wry, sophisticated, insubstantial) then a guy called Jont (great voice, great lyrics, no tunes). Things really picked up with the appearance of Thea Gilmore, whose "Lipstick Conspiracies" album got great reviews last year. With a rich, strong voice and really sharp lyrics (and, yes, great tunes) she definitely made an impression on me, and I will definitely be seeking out her music (www.theagilmore.com , for the curious --- recommended) She was also highly personable, with a good sense of humour. Then came Tom McRae, who was brilliant. I cannot recommend his eponymous debut highly enough -- check him out on www.tommcrae.com. He gave a sterling show, accompanied (as far as I could tell) by a drummer, a keyboard/bass player and a cello player, which summoned up some epic, haunting, savage sounds. Not one of the happiest songwriters -- the big laugh during the gig came when someone shouted out a request for "Shiny Happy People" -- he probably closest resembles a tortured and pain-wracked David Gray (although Time Out, in its otherwise exemplary article, still resorted to the pathetically lazy Nick Drake namecheck. He played a couple of new tunes, including one, "Election Day" which contained the memorable lyric "Every generation fails the next one down the line/Me, I'm always a step ahead/I'm busy failing mine". Great stuff. There were, however drawbacks -Apart from the inattentive audience, the atmosphere of the gig ended up as something of an endurance test for myself and my girlfriend -- standing up for three hours in a smoky and sweltering venue with a view only of people's backs (while straining to hear the quieter numbers over the chat) definitely took its toll, and marred an otherwise excellent evening. I suspect I'm just getting too damned old. Adam K. Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 03:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Tom McRae Live - --- adamk@zoom.co.uk wrote: > > standing up for three hours in a smoky and > sweltering venue > with a view only of people's backs (while straining > to hear > the quieter numbers over the chat) definitely took > its > toll, and marred an otherwise excellent evening. > > I suspect I'm just getting too damned old. It's not just me, then? I have an Eliza Carthy review on femmusic.com. I ended it with "if she'd only play less smoke-filled venues in the future." That was at La Scala. I now know to rule out Dingwalls as well. Alas, isn't Stacey Earle there soon? Darn it; I was thinking of going. I thought it was just me. I moved here from Boulder, Colorado, which basically is a smoke-free city. Ellen ===== "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 05:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Paula Frazer (Tarnation). Paula Frazer of Tarnation has a solo cd out, called 'Indoor Universe.' It's cut from the same cloth as her hybrid ethereal-country sound she made with Tarnation. It's a dreamy mix of Roy Orbison, Cocteau Twins, Chris Isaak, and Patsy Cline. Moody balladry, folk songs, and 50's rock put through a David Lynch blender. http://www.paulafrazer.com. - --Craig ===== Craig L. Gidney http://profiles.yahoo.com/quisquose11 Reviews of books and music, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ethereality Online Journal, Egg-centric http://egg-centric.blogspot.com/ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:39:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Evelyn Glennie hey all, A friend of mine is interviewing Evelyn Glennie tomorrow and was paranoid that she didn't know enough about her or have any good questions ready. Anyone out there have any good questions for Evelyn that I could pass on? She'll be playing with the New Mexico symphony on Friday and Saturday. I'm bummed cause another friend offered me a ticket (free!), but I'm flying east on Friday. Ah well. I have seen her before and know that she is wonderful. If anyone wants to try to listen to the interview, it should air at 1:30 New Mexico time (uh, Mountain Standard? 1 hour later than west coast time.) on KUNM (http://www.kunm.unm.edu/live/kunmlive.ram). Don't everyone try it, cause there are only a handful of connections, and I'd like to get one :) neal np: still CLB from yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:00:37 -0400 From: Valerie Richardson Subject: Evelyn Glennie -- Sesame Street As the mother of a toddler, I was delighted to see Evelyn Glennie appearing several times on Sesame Street this year. In one episode, Oscar the Grouch is forming a Grouch-ka-teers percussion band. One of the other characters introduces Evelyn and suggests that she be in the band. Oscar is against it until he hears what she can do with a trashcan lid! She has an excellent website (http://www.evelyn.co.uk), which includes a "virtual masterclass." I've read that she doesn't want her deafness mentioned in interviews or press accounts of her work, but she does address the issue at length on the website, so I don't know how she reacts to questions about it. - --Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:19:10 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: A strong argument against encrytption Good Evening, Ectofolk: I've been waiting for _Newsday_ to put this essay online, and they have: http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/pluggedin/wednesday/nd9626.htm Please, folks, don't do what Charley Pride and his label just did. They deserve to lose more than their shirts on this one. Philip David (who's proud of his Linux accomplishments and loves people with Macs) 5/9/2001 - --- http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ - --- "Go back and finish your oatmeal." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:40:34 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: A strong argument against encrytption Philip David Morgan writes: > Good Evening, Ectofolk: > > I've been waiting for _Newsday_ to put this essay online, and they have: > > http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/pluggedin/wednesday/nd9626.htm > > Please, folks, don't do what Charley Pride and his label just did. They deserve to lose more than their shirts on this one. This isn't encryption. It's just a fairly cheap copy-protection trick, and probably one that's easy to circumvent -- if a regular CD player can find the tracks, then a computer CD-ROM drive can be made to (they're essentially identical mechanisms); this probably depends on the way typical CD-ROM drivers try to auto-identify data vs. music CDs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:42:43 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption On Wed, 9 May 2001, Philip David Morgan wrote: > http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/pluggedin/wednesday/nd9626.htm Couldn't this be easily overcome by playing the audio CD in a DVD or CD player with a digital out and then running it into the digital in port on a PC soundcard? I wonder if the DVD/CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3 units will have trouble with these disks. By the way Charlie Pride is a great guy. My parents bowled with him and his wife back in the 70s. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:05:40 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Kirsty again Just received a helpful note from amazon.com's department of redundancy department: "We have noticed that many of our customers who have purchased albums by Kirsty Maccoll also enjoy music by Kirsty MacColl." (There's music on these things? I only bought it to confuse the speed trap radar!) Anyway, the announcement is for the recent North American release of Tropical Brainstorm, which contains 3 extra B-side tracks and a video. More info at: http://www.freeworld.demon.co.uk/news/index.htm if you are interested. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:11:02 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption When I read stuff like this I can only think of DAT (Digital Audio Tape), a wonderful technology forced to be ill-fated by the greedy music recording industry. DAT decks would have been a beauty to have, especially in the days before CDs and cheap home-based digital recording, but the silly copy-protection mechanism shoved into the DAT technology turned me, as well as most other consumers, away from it. And I too, being a 20-year computer industry veteran, remember the early copy protection mechanisms conceived by the greedy ones in the industry, anywhere from hidden tracks on floppy discs ("disks" to you geeks), to hardware devices where one used to have to literally plug in a key on the back of the machine (in an adapter card) for the darn copy-protected application to work. Even way back then, with all of its novelty, I used to have great belly laughs about it. Evidently I wasn't laughing too loudly, for all such copy-protection nonesense was short-lived. - - Bill G. np: Robert Palmer - Woke Up Laughing nr: Miguel Otero Silva - Oficina No. 1 On Wed, 09 May 2001 19:19:10 -0400, Philip David Morgan wrote: >Good Evening, Ectofolk: > >I've been waiting for _Newsday_ to put this essay online, and they have: > >http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/pluggedin/wednesday/nd9626.htm > >Please, folks, don't do what Charley Pride and his label just did. They deserve to lose more than their shirts on this one. > >Philip David >(who's proud of his Linux accomplishments >and loves people with Macs) >5/9/2001 > >--- > >http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ > >--- > >"Go back and finish your oatmeal." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:10:09 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: A strong argument against encrytption I read the article, then emailed Fahrenheit Records to let them know that I don't purchase protected software or CDs, or patronize organizations that espouse such schemes, so they'll wait a long time for my money. I think that record companies are just flat out stating that they don't trust their customers. I also tend to stay away from stores that have someone standing by the door to check your receipt against your purchase ( which, by the way, is illegal for them to enforce: it's called unlawful search and seizure). It's that " we want your money, we just don't trust you" approach that I find so offensive. The only people I know who are pirating CDs are in the 14-20 year-old age range, hardly Pride's main demographic. I suffered intensely from protected software in the 80s and 90s. I once made a software company give me an unprotected set of disks, as their rotten copy protection scheme crashed my master disk once a week. Never going back there again. I'm sure Pride is a great guy, but I really hope this silly and paranoid idea fails, due to lack of consumer participation. I could understand greedy billionaires like Metallica going for this sort of stuff, but Charley Pride? How many people are going to pirate his works anyway? He's not exactly Billboard top 40 material. Besides most avid collectors of artists like Pride want the whole package, not just some featureless CD burned on a PC. just my $.02 Phil - -----Original Message----- From: GSS [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:43 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption On Wed, 9 May 2001, Philip David Morgan wrote: > http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/pluggedin/wednesday/nd9626.htm Couldn't this be easily overcome by playing the audio CD in a DVD or CD player with a digital out and then running it into the digital in port on a PC soundcard? I wonder if the DVD/CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3 units will have trouble with these disks. By the way Charlie Pride is a great guy. My parents bowled with him and his wife back in the 70s. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:30:30 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: A strong argument against encrytption Sadly Bill, the Dongle still lives on. ( that's the 'key' that Bill describes in his post). Steinberg-Jones, makers of really great midi/audio software, albeit designed and supported by really bad engineers, includes it still on their PC products. Their Mac products have a 'master disc' that needs to be inserted at the most annoying and inopportune times. I received a Dongle with a work-related CD recently, they had one key for their entire range of expensive and *downloadable* products. It's one thing to be greedy; being greedy AND stupid is entirely another. Just look at Congress, for example. Phil - -----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:bill@wagill.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:11 PM To: ECTO; Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption ..... where one used to have to literally plug in a key on the back of the machine (in an adapter card) for the darn copy-protected application to work. Even way back then, with all of its novelty, I used to have great belly laughs about it. Evidently I wasn't laughing too loudly, for all such copy-protection nonesense was short-lived. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:03:55 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:10:09PM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > I could understand greedy billionaires like Metallica going for this sort of > stuff, but Charley Pride? How many people are going to pirate his works > anyway? He's not exactly Billboard top 40 material. Besides most avid > collectors of artists like Pride want the whole package, not just some > featureless CD burned on a PC. How else would a new Charley Pride album get any publicity? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:59:32 -0000 From: "Vienna Teng" Subject: RE: A strong argument against encrytption Is there any way to estimate how much money the music industry "loses" due to things like Napster? Or due to selling products on non-copy-protected media, in general? I'm just curious as to the magnitude of the piracy problem, financially speaking. I mean, if 1% of the people who have an album got a PC-burned copy of it instead of buying it, "greed" is an appropriate term for these copy-protection folks. ("Stupidity" would be as well, seeing as they're probably alienating a lot more than 1% of potential buyers.) 15% would be a different story, I think. - - Vienna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:19:44 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: A strong argument against encrytption Actually, a less cynical possibility just hit me: it might be a good idea, in their eyes, to test the technology on an artist who demographic *doesn't* much coincide with those who would make a fuss about it: that way they can test it with a reasonably wide audience without either engendering a massive protest or alienating an artist's core audience if there are problems. Crazy, as they say, like a fox. > > How else would a new Charley Pride album get any publicity? > - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:27:16 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Evelyn Glennie -- Sesame Street At 2:00 PM -0400 5/9/01, Valerie Richardson wrote: >As the mother of a toddler, I was delighted to see Evelyn Glennie >appearing several times on Sesame Street this year. Sounds like a good opportunity to mention the second volume of kids music I have finished compiling. (Maybe ties in with that copying/loss of revenue thread too, not that I feel I'm ripping off the music industry any. Anyway, for all you parents in search of music for kids, here's what I just finished putting together. I can dig up the track list for Volume 1 if there is interest. Also, if anyone really wants a copy, i'm willing to trade for almost anything. It fills up one 90 minute tape. I'm always looking for more suggestions, as it takes me forever to find 90 minutes of music like this. Obvious omissions can probably be found on the first version (like Superhero Soup, which was a big hit with last year's recipients). neal np: see below Kid Stuff 2 (May 2001) --- A --- Starfish and Coffee - Prince Little Potato - Matamora Thumbalina I See The Moon - Greg Brown Ridin' In My Car - Woodie and Arlo Guthrie Magic Bike - Green Chili Jam Band My Best Friend's a Polar Bear - Michael Anthony Sailing on the Chesapeake Bay Simple Gifts (Amish) The Green Grass Pick a Bail of Cotton Beans and Cornbread The Erie Canal Working on the Railroad - Randy Newman Homegrown Tomatos Over the Rainbow/What A Wonderful World - Israel Kamakawiwo'ole --- B --- Potato - Cheryl Wheeler A Place in the Choir, The Garden Song - Makem & Clancy I LIke Pie, I Like Cake - Jackie Washington The Tallest Poppie - Eleni Kelakos Maresy Dotes - Eric Nagler Swinging the Alphabet - The Three Stooges purple giraffe Three Little Birds - Bob Marley Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me - Sweet Honey in the Rock My Heart Belongs To Daddy - Lisa Ekdahl False False Fly - Jane Siberry Cold Song - Jewel Rattle Songs (Shanoojhee, Viri Kuta, Haweheemo) - Ulali Sing Sing Sing - Anita O'Day Why Look At That Moon - Victoria Williams ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #131 **************************