From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #20 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, January 20 2001 Volume 07 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ecto-digest V7 #19 [SpiritWe@aol.com] glenn [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Leslie Winer [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: glenn [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: glenn [Paul Blair ] Name that tune... [Marla Tiara ] Re: Name that tune... [Marla Tiara ] Re: Name that tune... [Carolyn Andre ] Gentle Giant live... ["Adam K." ] More good acts, bad gigs ["Adam K." ] Re: ecto-digest V7 #19 ["kleinpc" ] Re: Name that tune... [Marla Tiara ] RE: More good acts, bad gigs [Phil Hudson ] Re: More good acts, bad gigs [Joseph Zitt ] Re: More good acts, bad gigs [Laura Clifford ] RE: More good acts, bad gigs ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: New CD's in my Player [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: GEG [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: GEG [Neal Copperman ] Alice Peacock [Neal Copperman ] Re: glenn ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: Alice Peacock [Gordoja@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:33:40 EST From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V7 #19 In a message dated 1/19/01 2:03:06 AM, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << nevertheless i found out via MTV.com that she is releasing a new 2CD set due out on APRIL 24....it's all new stuff, recorded in the studio. does anyone have more info on it? >> hey irvin :) yes, that's apparantly the case! I only know she's doing final mastering next weekend, cuz a friend of mine who works on her sound crew has been invited to cut some of his own tracks at her home studio & he told me that's where she'd be, hard at work finishing up the new one. "a new album already?!", was all I thought, with a sigh of overwhelm. ...didn't realize it was a double album, though, that's kind of intriguing. Perhaps each one has a cohesive theme/approach of its own? I guess we'll see...I really dug her two young horn players at her latest tour, I hope they make appearances. Something about a sad, soulful trumpet. So timeless and captivating to me, when it actually belongs, i.e. on some of the ballads she'd arranged lately... Perhaps you'll love it, who knows? (You dug her last double album - maybe quantity actually has a role in quality in her case, the way seeing a live show of hers is sometimes astounding in it's sheer range/impact of her huge repertoire). I'm interested myself to hear how recording at home - which she did a bit of last time but not too much - has factored into the vibe, if at all. Seems it was overdue she had such a comfortable, home recording scenario, prolific as she is & given her husband's incredible engineering prowess. ok I'll stop fawning. I don't always love her albums either, I admit (actually I found it a little hard to listen to Living in Clip with all the trademark Ani-chatter more than once, it kind of felt like listening to a comedy album, if you just weren't there, it was hard to "feel" the joke though intellectually you know it must've been a riot). But I've never seen her play a bad live show, or perform with less that incredible musicians, ever. Out of, like, 30 shows. I guess I've been lucky! And she just seems to really savour performing so much, even her weak moments are strong and gracefully handled compared to many others' I've witnessed... peace & here-here to the occasional hyper-vulnerability of musical heroes; those are the times we may feel most "in" on their otherwise mysterious processes/personalities, perhaps? Or I guess sometimes it's just ok to want your $ back once in a while, ha ha. Take Fiona Apple for instance...anyone at her pseudo-cancelled NY "sound is too bad to perform"-disaster last year? ugh, that was painful to watch. Mildly interesting though, witnessing the aftermath...I was amazed, it was all so strange. xoxoxo rachael :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: glenn Hi.. Boston Phoenix has a feature on glenn at..http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/01/01/18/FURIA_COM.html AM Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 03:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Nancy Whitney (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius David Beery Tue January 20 1976 drum Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Leslie Winer Hi.. Just pulled out my old copy of (C) aka Leslie Winer's cd Witch and rememebred how good it was. Winer guested on Sinead's debut album and then did her own hybrid of trip hop and poetry in a beguiling way. Does anyone else have this cd? Since its release in 1993 Winer has popped up on cds with Bomb the Bass and Mekon but no follow up to Witch alas. Anna Maria np-(c)-Witch(of course!) nr-Joyce Carol Oates-Blonde Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:49:05 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: glenn "anna maria stjdrnell" sez: > Boston Phoenix has a feature on glenn thanks for pointing this out, anna! very cool article...congrats to Glenn on being profiled... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:23:10 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: glenn >"anna maria stjdrnell" sez: > > > Boston Phoenix has a feature on glenn wow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Name that tune... If you guys can't help me out, nobody will be able to... Years ago - around 1990/1991 - a friend of mine made me a mix tape but she didn't label the songs. Luckily I bothered her about one song, called Out of Habit, and she knew who sang that one, but she never knew who sang another song that caught my ear. It was a woman and a guitar, very cute, and it began "I want to be a mysterious woman, I want to write mysterious songs, I want everyone to wonder what is she thinking about? Existentialism, nihilism? Wrong." And it goes on about how she's really thinking about her refrigerator and it gets kind of silly. Anyone? Anyone???? marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 01/12/01 - Meghan Toohey!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: Name that tune... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Mystery solved, and I knew you guys could do it. marla tiara - --- Mickey Ferguson wrote: > Christine Lavin, "Mysterious Woman" > http://www.christinelavin.com/00051505mysteriouswoman.html > > I got these result from typing the lyrics into the > search box at > google.com. I've had really good luck doing this in > the past, > and it looks like success this time, too. :) > > ----Mick > ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 01/12/01 - Meghan Toohey!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:38:57 -0600 (CST) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Name that tune... On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Marla Tiara wrote: > Years ago - around 1990/1991 - a friend of mine made > me a mix tape but she didn't label the songs. Luckily > I bothered her about one song, called Out of Habit, > and she knew who sang that one, but she never knew who > sang another song that caught my ear. It was a woman > and a guitar, very cute, and it began "I want to be a > mysterious woman, I want to write mysterious songs, I > want everyone to wonder what is she thinking about? > Existentialism, nihilism? Wrong." And it goes on about > how she's really thinking about her refrigerator and > it gets kind of silly. > Christine Lavin from her album, "Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind" http://www.christinelavin.com/00051505mysteriouswoman.html with a sound clip at cdnow: http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=753987571/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=LAVIN*CHRISTINE/ITEMID=293804 I cheated & looked up the song title on CD Now & then went to Christine's web site to check the lyrics. I had guessed it sounded like a Cheryl Wheeler or Christine song ... (and yes, I really do have better things to do at work this a.m. than be reminded that my media players can't get thru the firewall ....) Regards, | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet Carolyn | Carolyn's House of Music: webmaster@house-of-music.com | http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:14:44 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Gentle Giant live... Actually, I was just about to mention Gentle Giant as a bit of a paradox. I saw them in Chicago, touring "The Missing Piece" -- not one of their better works, and at the time all I had was "Interview". I didn't know what to expect, but it rates as one of the absolute best gigs I've ever seen, and instantly confirmed me as an instant fan. They all looked as if they were having a thoroughly great time, and I particularly remember Shulman & Green's acoustic guitar duet, and Shulman's violin solo with the sound bouncing from speaker to speaker all around the auditorium. They were SUCH a talented band, but above all they had a real enthusiasm that evening. Sadly, I saw them again a couple of years later, on their last US gig, and it was a real damp squib. Compare the excellent "Playing the Fool" live album with the weary, ragged "In Concert"(at Golders Green), and you get an idea of how the life got sucked out of them pretty quickly towards the end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:22:39 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: More good acts, bad gigs Personal problems and quirks are always a bit awkward to witness onstage: I saw Peter Gabriel three times in the late 70's, and the first two times were a real let-down. Apart from often looking unhealthily tubby, he looked as if performing was the last thing he wanted to do, and alternated between scowling and staring blankly at the audience. The second time, he forgot the lyrics to "Solsbury Hill", and didn't even look perturbed. Later I read that, throughout that period, he was having huge personal problems, and was on the brink of a breakdown. It showed. The last time I saw him, however, touring his fourth album, he was superb -- there was real drama, edge and commitment to the show. Meanwhile, I finally got to see Natalie Merchant a couple of years ago --- for 20 minutes, it was one of the best gigs I've ever been to --- and then it just went on and on and on. For encores, she came on, sat down at the piano, tinkered around, started a song, stopped, started another song -- it was like watching a rehearsal. I know, there are fans out there who eat this kind of thing up, but by then I'd been standing for five hours, and wanted to leave on a high rather than a bewildered digression. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46:55 -0500 From: "kleinpc" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V7 #19 I've seen some Ani shows on the net that were pretty decent. Now an awesome show I've heard on the net was Marianne Faithful at www.hob.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:06:37 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: Name that tune... > with a sound clip at cdnow: > http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=753987571/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=LAVIN*CHRISTINE/ITEMID=293804 I just listened to the sound clip. It's funny - my friend's tape was recorded at a funky speed (I knew this already because of the aforementioned Out of Habit...) so I'm totally used to a certain "way" that the songs on there sound. Now, granted, the RA soundclip from CDNow is imperfect as well, but it sounds...slower and clearer than the tape (because it's more accurate, I'd assume). I don't know if anyone else has experienced this - hearing a song "wrong" and then finally hearing it "right" and not being able to bridge the two. Maybe it's just me... marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 01/12/01 - Meghan Toohey!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:25:12 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: More good acts, bad gigs Peter is/was actually quite notorious for forgetting lyrics onstage. With Genesis, there was nearly always a verse or two we had never heard before in some song or another. On the Secret World live album, you can hear him messing up the verses to secret World; they never bothered fixing it in post. I think it's rather charming, a little insight into the PG mind. Personal problems and quirks are always a bit awkward to witness onstage: I saw Peter Gabriel three times in the late 70's, and the first two times were a real let-down. Apart from often looking unhealthily tubby, he looked as if performing was the last thing he wanted to do, and alternated between scowling and staring blankly at the audience. The second time, he forgot the lyrics to "Solsbury Hill", and didn't even look perturbed. Later I read that, throughout that period, he was having huge personal problems, and was on the brink of a breakdown. It showed. The last time I saw him, however, touring his fourth album, he was superb -- there was real drama, edge and commitment to the show. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:09:58 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: More good acts, bad gigs On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:25:12AM -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: > Peter is/was actually quite notorious for forgetting lyrics onstage. With > Genesis, there was nearly always a verse or two we had never heard before in > some song or another. On the Secret World live album, you can hear him > messing up the verses to secret World; they never bothered fixing it in > post. > I think it's rather charming, a little insight into the PG mind. I always amazes me that people can remember lyrics or scripts at all. I seem to be incapable of rememering the order that strings of data go in, so I'll have a pile of words in my head, rather than an array. This is part of the reason that I started singing with phonemes rather that words. One time about 12 years ago I was doing a song-based performance when my lyric sheet was blown of the stage by a gust of wind. I had to improvise lyrics on the spot, and my keyboard player, who has a phenomenal memory, recited them back to me afterward. The only line I remember was "Exploding rocks explore the evening moon", but the rest were kind of like that too. I got to do a performance last night with a goofy set of found lyrics: a friend of mine on LambaMOO was testing out a voice recognition system yesterday, and I captured what the machine thought he said, and sang the result. Fun and quite disorienting :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:15:47 -0500 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: More good acts, bad gigs At 01:09 PM 01/19/2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:25:12AM -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: >> Peter is/was actually quite notorious for forgetting lyrics onstage. Robert Smith of The Cure does this fairly frequently as well, ofttimes to charming effect. His improvisations when this happen make for prized bootlegs! And Neal - sorry they rotted for you back in '89 - their two last shows of that tour here in Massachusetts are legendary (well to us Cureheads anyway). Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:18:57 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: More good acts, bad gigs I remember one time seeing Peter Gabriel -- it might have been a Central Park gig -- and they started a tune, I forget which, but the band was playing it way too fast. Peter stopped them, had a couple words with them, returned to the mike and said, "Sorry about that. We go professional *next* week." Great line. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:18 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: More good acts, bad gigs On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:18:57PM -0500, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > I remember one time seeing Peter Gabriel -- it might have been a Central > Park gig -- and they started a tune, I forget which, but the band was > playing it way too fast. Peter stopped them, had a couple words with them, > returned to the mike and said, "Sorry about that. We go professional *next* > week." Great line. One time that I saw Gabriel at Madison Square Garden, a tune derailed and crashed early on (I think he came in in the wrong key, and the band fell apart trying to adjust). It stopped, and he gravely announced "That is what is known as a cock-up." (Not as good a line, but funny at the time.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:11:09 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: New CD's in my Player In a message dated 1/18/01 11:03:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > although i cringe when i remember this, the capsule review of arson > garden's _under towers_ which i wrote for my university's radio station > when this was released included the phrase, "the head of natalie merchant > grafted on the body of [some band i can't remember i can't remember]." i > don't know what possessed me to write that since i don't hear the > resemblance anymore. then again, at the time (1990), 10,000 maniacs, imho, > hadn't lost their edge yet so maybe the comparison was more appropriate > then. anyways, i thought you might appreciate that anecdote. glad you like > arson garden -- i love them myself. You know, i liked you until the part about 10,000 Maniacs losing their edge. ;-) No way!!! they haven't lost a single ounce of their edge. They've only become tighter and more fluent as a band and their distinctive sound has blossomed on the last couple of albums. They're cooler now than they ever were. I've heard people describe Arson Garden as sounding like "Natalie Merchant fronting Throwing Muses" which I suppose seems appropriate, although I think Arson Garden was no doubt a better, tighter group of musicians than Throwing Muses. Why did they break up anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:13:42 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: GEG In a message dated 1/18/01 11:03:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > Grey Eye Glances is a band that must be seen live to truely appreciate. > No fancy lights, no trickery, just plain good tight harmony music with a > special > "feel" they just can't seem to capture properly on their studio CD's.... A lot of folks on the 10,000 Maniacs mailing list talk about Grey Eye Glances and I finally bought one of their albums the other day, Painted Pictures. All I can say is it just seemed very flat to me, which was somewhat dissapointing because I expected something somewhat 10km-ish, something that was folkish and bright but subtley haunting. But hey, maybe they're great live. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:57:31 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: GEG On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/18/01 11:03:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, > owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > Grey Eye Glances is a band that must be seen live to truely appreciate. > > No fancy lights, no trickery, just plain good tight harmony music with a > > special > > "feel" they just can't seem to capture properly on their studio CD's.... > > A lot of folks on the 10,000 Maniacs mailing list talk about Grey Eye Glances > and I finally bought one of their albums the other day, Painted Pictures. All > I can say is it just seemed very flat to me, which was somewhat dissapointing > because I expected something somewhat 10km-ish, something that was folkish > and bright but subtley haunting. But hey, maybe they're great live. I too have found their albums to be pretty flat. Then again, I've also found that their live show was a pretty fair representation of their album. Fans seemed to like it, but I was pretty bored. (Obviously, YMMV, as I felt the same last time I saw 10KM on the first post-Natalie tour.) neal np: Drunk - Vic Chesnutt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:58:14 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Alice Peacock Anyone heard of Alice Peacock or have any thoughts about her? I've come across her name in a few places, but am not sure I've heard anything specific about her. neal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:15:50 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: glenn > > Boston Phoenix has a feature on glenn > > congrats to Glenn on being profiled... Thanks! They insisted on capitalizing my name (damn copy editors), but otherwise yes, it's pretty flattering. And it's one more chance for Juliana Hatfield to respond... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:08:25 EST From: Gordoja@aol.com Subject: Re: Alice Peacock On my last Boston trip I picked up her cd "Real Day"...I honestly havent listened too it too much but so far it seems like pretty straight ahead folk-rock...enjoyable but didnt blow me away. - -Jason n.p. Wendy Rule - "the newest one I got in the mail yesterday and cannot remember the title of the album" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #20 *************************