From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #17 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, January 17 2001 Volume 07 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: shivaree etc. [Neal Copperman ] New [anna maria "stjärnell" ] when good bands do bad gigs... ["Adam K." ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [jjhanson@att.net] New Ruby album [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: shivaree etc. [Joseph Zitt ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [Joseph Zitt ] RE: Martin Luther King Day [Phil Hudson ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [atholbrose ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [Marla Tiara ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [dmw ] MLK songs [dave ] New CD's In My Player [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Etymology of Shivaree ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] 2 semi-ecto-ish questions [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: 2 semi-ecto-ish questions [meredith ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [meredith ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [Andrew Fries ] Re: New CD's In My Player [Neal Copperman ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [Neal Copperman ] Re: New CD's In My Player [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:25:32 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: shivaree etc. At 8:37 AM -0500 1/15/01, Donald G. Keller wrote: >Neal: That sounds like a really interesting piano recital; would you mind >listing the titles of the pieces? Sure... Music for Marcel Duchamp - John Cage A Winter Landscape - Charles T. Griffes Some Southpaw Pitching Three Page Sonta - Charles Ives Aeolian Harp The Banshee - Henry Cowell Four Preludes for Piano - Ruth Crawford Six Preludes for Pianoforte - Paul Bowles Three Portraits 1. Souvenir: a portrait of Paul Bowles 2. A Portrait of R. Kirk Askew 3. Sea Coast: A Portrait of Constance Askew - Vrigil Thomson Dream - John Cage Extensions 3 Piano Piece (to Philip Guston) - Morton Feldman >Ruth Crawford, by the way, in the past often referred to as Ruth Crawford >Seeger, was married to Charles Seeger, father of Pete and Peggy; the >latter was married to Ewan MacColl (author of "The First Time Ever I Saw >Your Face"), who was Kirsty MacColl's father. Very talented musical >family. I've actually seen her performed before. The same people brought SF pianist Sarah Cahill to town about 2 years ago, and she performed a lot of Crawford Seeger songs, as well as (I think) some Henry Cowell. >Must have been something short of Morton Feldman's; his best piano piece, >=Triadic Memories= (which I think Takahashi has recorded, but I've got a >different one), is over an hour long, and so are some of his others. These were pretty short. No more than 10 minutes each. The whole program was only around 90 minutes long. The Feldman pieces were very reflective and beautiful. neal np: I Wanna Be Kate - The Songs of Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: New Hiya.. Some new stuff.. Cinerama Disco Volante Lovely british pop from Dave Gedge and his partner Sally. Great tunes. Dave Graney Show Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye. Gritty psychodrama from Cave's pal and band. Lush sounds and biting lyrics. Slits Cut. Reissue of classic punk disc. Still worth hearing. Great bonus version of I heard it through the grapevine. Anna Maria np-Sorrow-sleep now forever nr-Joyce Carol Oates-blonde Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:29:58 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: when good bands do bad gigs... I feel a side-topic coming on: It's too often the case that good bands make lousy live acts, or just don't deliver the (sometimes over-)expected goods. After years of non-concert going, I went to see the Smashing Pumpkins promote the stunning "Siamese Dream" and was amazed that they could be so dull AND so arrogant. I'm a huge Bob Mould fan, but I've seen him twice (once with Sugar, once with his solo band) and have always been dismayed to see him steamroll through the songs, flattening out any of the subtleties and edges of his songs, as if he was afraid that he'd be showing his age if he took his time. There are a lot of factors involved here: apart from expectations, there's circumstances and atmosphere, all of which can decide whether a gig flies or sinks. Anyone have any others that don't deliver? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:43:28 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... New Order was a notoriously bad live band--it's not so much that they couldn't recreate their album sound it was just that Bernard Sumner was a total arrogant asshole (at least when I saw him). I saw him do a 40 minute set in an admittedly horrible sounding auditorium, get pissed off, dunk his microphone in a glass of water and walk off stage. And tickets were remarkably expensive for the time. The other biggest asshole I've ever seen live was John Cougar (back when he was John Cougar). Of course he had the misfortune for opening a big festival with Jethro Tull and the Who (one of their first farewell tours--goodbye already!) The audience simply wasn't interested, and he was throwing a fit because they weren't excited--to the point where he eventually kicked cymbals into the stage cutting an audience member and walked off in the middle of a song--which of course, made him get the biggest applause he'd had all day. That whole show was remarkably mediocre, which surprised me given that The Who was supposedly a legendary live band--but to me they were just going through the motions by that time. 10 days later I saw one of the best, and most surprising concerts of my life--Missing Persons. Talk about an exciting band who loved what they were doing and were excited to play (and were amazing musicians--except for Dale, but at least she knew her limits). I think it was at that moment that I decided I'd pick a good, lesser known small venue show over a stadium show anyday. Jeff Hanson n.p. Wendy Rule - Zero (Thanks Andrew!) n.r. Winter's Tale - Mark Helprin n.p. > I feel a side-topic coming on: It's too often the case that good bands make > lousy live acts, or just don't deliver the (sometimes over-)expected goods. > After years of non-concert going, I went to see the Smashing Pumpkins promote > the stunning "Siamese Dream" and was amazed that they could be so dull AND so > arrogant. I'm a huge Bob Mould fan, but I've seen him twice (once with Sugar, > once with his solo band) and have always been dismayed to see him steamroll > through the songs, flattening out any of the subtleties and edges of his > songs, as if he was afraid that he'd be showing his age if he took his time. > > There are a lot of factors involved here: apart from expectations, there's > circumstances and atmosphere, all of which can decide whether a gig flies or > sinks. > > Anyone have any others that don't deliver? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: New Ruby album Hi.. After six years there's anew Ruby album in the works..Yay! www.rubymusic.co.uk. AM Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:15:07 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: shivaree etc. On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:25:32AM -0700, Neal Copperman wrote: > >Must have been something short of Morton Feldman's; his best piano piece, > >=Triadic Memories= (which I think Takahashi has recorded, but I've got a > >different one), is over an hour long, and so are some of his others. > > These were pretty short. No more than 10 minutes each. The whole > program was only around 90 minutes long. The Feldman pieces were > very reflective and beautiful. Both of the Feldman pieces on that program, as well as many other fine works, are available on the Mode CD "Aki Takahashi plays Morton Feldman". There's also a British 4-CD set of John Tillbury playing all of Feldman's piano music, but even I haven't binged on that one yet :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:30:49 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:29:58PM -0000, Adam K. wrote: > Anyone have any others that don't deliver? One of the worst shows I ever saw was Nine Inch Nails on their tour with David Bowie in Dallas. After the depth and subtlety of "The Downward Spiral", I expected more than the undifferentiated mass of screaming and thrashing that they delivered. I also was disappointed by the Kinks in the late '70s, but that may have been because the opening act, The Brains (whatever happened to them?), were so good. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:29:57 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Martin Luther King Day Old Folkers from the UK, the Strawbs (Rick Wakeman's old pre-Yes gig) recorded "Martin Luther King's Dream" on an album called "(Just a Collection of) Antiques and Curios". A very moving sing-along chorus. p On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 09:46:56PM -0600, tenthvictim@mindspring.com wrote: > Howdy, > > Here's the only Martin Luther King song I know of (except for "Abraham, > Martin & John"). Well, there are also U2's "Pride (in the Name of Love)" and "MLK". - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:35:06 -0500 From: atholbrose Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 09:45:01AM -0500, Adam K. wrote: > Anyone have any others that don't deliver? ...Ani Difranco was a huge dissapointment live. Needlessly loud (both the songs and the audience -- geez, why go to a concert if all you want to do is stand around and talk and smoke? you can do that at a bar), badly mixed, poorly sung... we left at the half-way point. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... > ...Ani Difranco was a huge dissapointment live. While the audience, in recent years, has definitely decreased my enjoyment of live Ani, and Ani's last few albums have not been my favorites at all, I always still find her entrancing live and that's when I remember why I was - and probably still am - a fan. marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 01/12/01 - Meghan Toohey!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:56:55 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Adam K. wrote: > Anyone have any others that don't deliver? i've seen a lot of bands that were just dull and uninspiring, fewer that were bad in *interesting* ways. i think the fall should definitely be mentioned. they were capable of great shows in their prime, but they were also responsible for the only concert experience where i heard a lot of people demanding refunds. i don't think smith, the band's singer, played as much as three songs with the band. they started, he left the mic early on, and wandered around the stage shoving band members and knocking equipment over. after a short time he stumbled backstage. i think the band left the stage and returned to it at least 3 or 4 times. at one point they played 3 or 4 songs without vocals, which demonstrated that they were tighter than i'd thought, but that without smith's ranting, they were pretty dull. at one point a boombox with backing vocals on tape was held up to a mic (something that smith himself probably would have done, so perhaps not *quite* as ironic as it might seem). at some point smith 'sang' another half song or so with profound interest. with long delays between brief appearances on stage, they managed to stretch it out so it was almost as long as a real set would have been. it was less entertaining and more sad than it sounds when i write about it. of course, as devotees know, the bands 20 year + career is littered with experiences like this one. (the new record, _the unutterable_, by the way, is surprisingly good. it's the second one after he finally drove away/sacked the last of the longterm members.) i have heard that the replacements could do brilliant shows, but the one time i saw them was ghastly -- it was hard to tell whether they were more contemptous of the audience or themselves. i don't know if substance abuse was even the point, they just looked like they really *really* didn't want to be there playing songs, and could be bothered to make only the most minimal attempt at doing so. on the one hand, i have to give the cramps credit for a certain rigorous artistic honesty -- no sell outs, they -- but a _stay sick!_ era show was pretty dull. lux interior's stage patter felt like it'd been canned for years -- he made a "they can put a man on the moon, but -- " joke, for god's sake, they seemed tired, not nearly as funny, sexy, or offensive on their records. what about the flip-side: artists who aren't all that on record, but deliver live shows that transfigure or illuminate the material so that you finally get the point...or artists that you see first live, and then the record seems pointless. i love magnet live (with an ever-changing, but always at least pretty-good, sometimes great, line up) but their records have a smugness i can ususally only last a few songs through. i liked bettie serveert records enough to keep buying them, but it took a live show to convince me that their chops & song-arrangement abilities were close to on par with yo la tengo (one of the very high watermarks for me as far as indie rock goes.) for complicated and deeply stupid reasons i attempted to avoid being a fugazi fan for many years. when i finally saw the band play, in 1999, outdoors, in the middle of a thunderstorm, i was utterly transfixed in the space of about half a song. i bought all their records the next week, and i deeply regret the many opportunities to see them play that i missed. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:21:22 -0500 From: dave Subject: MLK songs Lyle posted: >Here's the only Martin Luther King song I know of (except for "Abraham, >Martin & John"). There's also Strawbs' "Martin Luther King's Dream" from there Antiques & Curios album, and also available on Preserves Uncanned. The liner notes of Preserves say that they were invited by King's widow to sing this song onstage with her at a peace rally. dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:23:05 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: New CD's In My Player Here's some new stuff I have come across recently (not: by new i mean new to me)....... Arson Garden "Wisteria" I first heard about Arson Garden on this list and managed to collect a couple sound clips from under towers since then. I was instantly intruiged by the shear raw intensity, they sound more like they are just exploding with creativity than playing. It was certainly a pleasant surprise when I came across an actual solid presence occupying the "Arson Garden" slot at the used cd store. What I bought was Wisteria, and I have been really getting into it these past couple of weeks. It's brash and confrontational music, but there's something very elegant and almost folkish about it. They seem to be more fluent, natural musicians than most "alt-rockers" and the songs are very spontanious and almost demented in a beautiful sort of way. April Combs' voice is captivating. Tim Buckley "Happy Sad" On the same trip to the used cd store I was also lucky enough to find this. There are similarities to his son's voice, but I was somewhat suprised at how different he sounds. This stuff is more laid-back, more breezy than Jeff's music. The sparse production is great, and the xylephone adds to the ecclectic appeal. The jazzy guitar riffs make it just plain brilliant. Fairport Convention "Liege & Lief", "Unhalfbricking" and "What We Did On Our Holidays" I bought all three of these at barnes and noble recently. As an ardent 10,000 Maniacs fan, I suppose I was fated to eventually become a Fairport listener, I only wish I had sooner. Sandy Denny's voice is stunning, so subtle, yet so powerful, pure and wistful. Her phrasing is admirable to say the least, I can't get over the way she restrains the notes, allowing them to breathe for the perfect length of time, no more, no less. Every song is different and adventurous. This has to be some of the most colorful music around. And the lyrics are so engaging. Whether you are listening closely or just have it playing in the background the words paint vivid images within your mind, usually of something rather dreadfull and medieval. Wow. Velvet Underground & Nico I got this used too. This is my first Velvets album. Pretty intense stuff. There's really nothing here that's light enough to just sort of wash over you, it's very dark and cryptic and it takes some courage to listen to a whole song. The melodies are great and the experimentation is captivating. "European Son" is so simple (at least it seems like it is) yet the rapid stuttering chord changes hold you until it's over. "Femme Fatal" is very lovely and "All Tomorrow's Parties" (a song which I already knew from June Tabor) is probably my faovirte so far. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:29:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Etymology of Shivaree I found the following stuff online: - ---------------------------------@def SHIVAREE--------------------------------- Main Entry: shivaree Pronunciation: "shi-v&-'rE, 'shi-v&-" Function: noun Etymology: modification of French charivari -- more at CHARIVARI Date: 1843 : a noisy mock serenade to a newly married couple - - shivaree transitive verb *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. - ---------------------------------@def SHIVAREE--------------------------------- - --------------------------------@def CHARIVARI--------------------------------- Main Entry: charivari Pronunciation: "shi-v&-'rE, 'shi-v&-" Function: noun Etymology: French, perhaps from Late Latin caribaria headache, from Greek karEbaria, from kara, karE head + barys heavy -- more at CEREBRAL, GRIEVE Date: circa 1681 : SHIVAREE *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. - --------------------------------@def CHARIVARI--------------------------------- The late, great British humor mag _Punch_ went officially by the full name "Punch, or the London Charivari." And in the 60s, there was a syndicated rock (as it existed in those days) program in the _Shindig_/_Hullaballoo_ vein, called _Shivaree_. So I suppose that intuitively, the word, however spelled, is generally used to mean a potpourri of miscellaneous goings on. I, too, was inspired to buy their latest album (though I haven't gotten around to playing it yet) by hearing "Goodnight Moon" on the Capitol Records website. To paraphrase an unrelated ad campaign, with a name like Ambrosia Parsley for their lead singer, they've got to be good :-). Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:31:03 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: 2 semi-ecto-ish questions Happy 2001, I have two obscure questions and I'm hoping the vast collective ecto-mind can help me find the answers. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Alan 1) Last year sometime, a Nick Drake Tribute concert took place in Vancouver. It featured many artists covering Nick's tunes including Veda Hille (which is why I specifically ask here). Can anyone tell me more info on this concert, as in date, venue, lineup and anything else of interest? Any info or links to info appreciated. 2) Is there an old Joan Armatrading song called something like "Breaking Up Is So Sad"? I found an old tape of a friend covering this and I'd like to hear the original. This cover version was taped circa 1982/83, so she must have learned it from an album released prior to that. If my guessed title rings a bell and you know which album this may appear on, please let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:01:24 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: 2 semi-ecto-ish questions Hi! Alan inquired: >1) Last year sometime, a Nick Drake Tribute concert took place in Vancouver. >It featured many artists covering Nick's tunes including Veda Hille (which is >why I specifically ask here). Can anyone tell me more info on this concert, >as in date, venue, lineup and anything else of interest? Any info or links to >info appreciated. This took place at the Vancouver East Cultural Centre on November 19, 1999. I haven't been able to find any info still on the Web regarding lineup etc. That info has expired on the VECC web site, and I haven't found any articles or anything out there regarding it (well, that reference Veda's participation, anyway). I hope at least the date helps! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:15:41 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... Hi! Adam inquired: >Anyone have any others that don't deliver? I think the most shockingly, disappointingly bad performance I've seen to date was Single Gun Theory, opening for Sarah McLachlan on an early leg of the Fumbling tour. They might as well have just brought a boombox on stage with their CD in, and pressed "play". It would've been the exact same music we heard, and would've been more interesting to watch. (They really need to learn to lip-synch better.) I was stunned -- I liked their album a lot, but I certainly wasn't expecting to see them playing it over the PA while pretending to perform it! atholbrose responded: >...Ani Difranco was a huge dissapointment live. Needlessly loud (both the >songs and the audience -- geez, why go to a concert if all you want to do >is stand around and talk and smoke? you can do that at a bar), badly >mixed, poorly sung... we left at the half-way point. I agree with Marla: while Ani's audiences have made it impossible for me to see her perform in recent years (a phenomenon which has almost (but not quite) also driven me away from Tori Amos shows), she has always put on one hell of a show. She sound has always been good, and she's always been in great voice and the band has been tight. I think you just happened to catch her on a bad night. (The audience, on the other hand, is guaranteed to suck every night. ) dmw put forth: >what about the flip-side: artists who aren't all that on record, but >deliver live shows that transfigure or illuminate the material so that you >finally get the point...or artists that you see first live, and then the >record seems pointless. Oh, there are SO many of those. The Nields, in their early days (_If You Lived Here, You'd Be Home Now_ is the first album of theirs where I can honestly say I prefer the studio versions of some of the songs) ... Susan Werner ... Moxy Fruvous ... Richard Shindell ... Anne Heaton ... and to a certain extent, Ani. The list goes on -- most contemporary folkie singer/songwriters just can't get the magic down on record. They sound flat and lifeless on CD, whereas in live performance they really shine. I think that's due in large part to small budgets, limited studio time, and the necessity to self-produce. I think the prime example of a band whose show finally made me "get it", though, is Lamb. I thought their albums were ok, but nothing special. Then I saw them play. Yow!!! I finally started to hear _Fear Of Fours_ for what it was, when the power of their live show literally knocked my Sox hat right off my head. That is up there as one of the most memorable live experiences of the past few years. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:02:31 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, meredith wrote: >I agree with Marla: while Ani's audiences have made it impossible for me to >see her perform in recent years (a phenomenon which has almost (but not >quite) also driven me away from Tori Amos shows), she has always put on one >hell of a show. She sound has always been good, and she's always been in >great voice and the band has been tight. I think you just happened to >catch her on a bad night. (The audience, on the other hand, is guaranteed >to suck every night. ) I've read similar comments before I actually got to see Ani, so I was prepared for the worst. Imagine my suprise when our audience proved to be just great - enthusiastic and fully involved, yet totally respectful. When Ani did a spoken piece, you could hear a pin drop... Ani herself seemed in turn shocked and deeply grateful. So, if you want to enjoy her live performance again, come and see her next time she plays in Sydney :) Strictly speaking this could be as one of the worst gigs I've witnessed, because I have never seen anyone forgetting this many lines, chords, dropping songs half-way through... In short, she was just incredibly sloppy. Yet somehow she made it completely irrelevant - she was just up there having fun, and we had fun with her. And jjhanson@att.net wrote: >10 days later I saw one of the best, and most surprising >concerts of my life--Missing Persons. Talk about an >exciting band who loved what they were doing and were >excited to play (and were amazing musicians--except >for Dale, but at least she knew her limits). I think >it was at that moment that I decided I'd pick a good, >lesser known small venue show over a stadium show anyday. For me such moment came on the day I went to see our local indie artist, Penny Flanagan. This was the same day U2 rolled into town with their "Zooropa" tour (I'm not a big U2 fan so I might be making the title up but anyhow it was a whole special effects extravaganza). So here was Penny - she brought a bunch of TV sets with her, laughably pathetic old beat-up things of varying shapes and sizes, and stacked them up on the side of the stage, saying in a very deadpan way something like "thanks for coming to my show instead of U2, I'll try to provide you with a similar experience..." Maybe you just had to be there, but this was one of those moments I still remember and treasure, long after I forgot any U2 songs I might've heard at the time. I clearly remember thinking, "I much prefer to be here - no contest!". - ------------------------------------------------------ "The Optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds. The Pessimist fears this is true" - James Branch Cabell - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:47:05 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: New CD's In My Player At 7:23 PM -0500 1/16/01, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >Fairport Convention "Liege & Lief", "Unhalfbricking" and "What We Did On Our >Holidays" ... >Velvet Underground & Nico Given your collector's mindset, I recommend before you start buying Sandy Denny discs you just buy the 3 disc box. Similarly, before you buy another Velvet's disc, buy the 5 disc box. If you like them at all, it is soooo worth it. There's all the albums, plus a lot of bonus material. My favorite of the bonus stuff is the disc with 15 to 20 minute versions of the songs, that are just take after take after take. You can here some of the early velvet songs take shape right in front of you. It's really unbelievable. neal np: Ouch! Welcome to Albuquerque (sampler) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:54:22 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... At 2:43 PM +0000 1/16/01, jjhanson@att.net wrote: >New Order was a notoriously bad live band I'd heard that too, but I saw them a few times and always enjoyed their shows. The earlier one (I think it was on Low Lifes) was actually really good. The later one was decent, but headliners Echo and the Bunnymen blew them off the stage. (Openers Gene Loves Jezebel had already decended to laughable by then.) The worst show I saw in the time period was the Cure. Around the time of Disintegration everyone was saying what a great live band they were, but I just remember them as snotty, rude, and sloppy about the time Love Cats came out. Granted, I saw them in Utah, and they made it eminantly clear that they were really unhappy to be there. neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:30 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: New CD's In My Player On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 07:23:05PM -0500, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Velvet Underground & Nico > I got this used too. This is my first Velvets album. Pretty intense stuff. This is one of my favorite albums. Someone once said that only 1000 people bought the record, but every one of them then started a band. Lou Reed, John Cale, and Nico all went on to striking solo careers, though each had their own artistic trainwrecks as well as moments of beauty. n.p. Nothing, though, having gotten a fourth 500-disc rack, all my CDs are finally off the floor and organized. *sheesh* n.r. 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