From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #11 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 07 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Speak of the devil (Jeff Noon) ["Adam K." ] RACHAEL SAGE @ C-NOTE THIS SATURDAY! [MPressinfo@aol.com] Kristin Hersh tonite in DC! [Craig Gidney ] kristin hersh in d.c. *today* [recount chocula ] Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* [Christopher Montville ] Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* [recount chocula ] Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* [Ted ] Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* [Christopher Montville ] legends in their own minds Vol 3 [Steve VanDevender ] Ecto in Flagrante Delecto? [Phil Hudson ] Re: makeout albums (was: Ecto in Flagrante Delecto?) ["Bill" Subject: Speak of the devil (Jeff Noon) By pure synchronicity, in today's "Guardian", there is an article by Jeff Noon, setting out his "manifesto". The article is headed "Film-makers use jump cuts, freeze frames, slow motion. Musicians remix, scratch, sample. Can't we writers have some fun as well?" He cites "House of Leaves" as a shining example (okay, but I ain't changing my mind) . In a sidebar, he discusses "The Cobralingus project", and a website www.cobralingus.com is given. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:38:49 EST From: MPressinfo@aol.com Subject: RACHAEL SAGE @ C-NOTE THIS SATURDAY! "Sage has folk on the brain and piano keys for hands and is sure to put on a show sublime." - THE VILLAGE VOICE NEW YEAR...NEW TUNES...NEW CANDY...NEW BOAS...NEW VENUE...SAME GLITTER... RACHAEL SAGE SATURDAY, JANUARY 13 8PM at The C-NOTE (Avenue C @ 10th Street / ph: 212.677.8142) **w/ Rob Curto on accordion & Jagoda on percussion** - - stick around & catch fellow UrbanMuse & Indiegrrl member Jo Davidson @ 9PM! THIS WILL BE RACHAEL'S ONLY NY-AREA GIG IN JANUARY - HOPE YOU CAN MAKE IT!! ******************************* http://www.rachaelsage.com http://www.mp3.com/rachaelsage http://www.cdbaby.com/sage toll free 1.877.TRU.SAGE ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Kristin Hersh tonite in DC! 4. COME TO DC - SEE KRISTIN HERSH Kristin will be playing at the Future of Music Coalition in Washington DC - if you're curious about what that is, check out: http://www.futureofmusic.com - - on Wednesday, January 10 - here are the particulars: WHEN: Wednesday, January 10, 7:00p WHERE: Georgetown University Campus, Gaston Hall w/the Rosenbergs ETC: All ages show, $5 tickets The show is in the gorgeous, gothic-style Gaston Hall, which is on the 3rd floor of the Healy Building on Georgetown's campus. Gaston Hall is over 300 years old and rarely has musical events - stained glass windows, the whole shebang - this should be a truly spectacular location to catch Kristin. To view a map of the campus, go to: http://www.georgetown.edu/undergrad/admissions/tour/map/ campmap.htm Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:41:24 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* from the latest beggas banquet newsletter: >4. COME TO DC - SEE KRISTIN HERSH > >Kristin will be playing at the Future of Music Coalition in >Washington DC - if you're curious about what that is, check >out: > >http://www.futureofmusic.com > >- on Wednesday, January 10 - here are the particulars: > >WHEN: Wednesday, January 10, 7:00p >WHERE: Georgetown University Campus, Gaston Hall w/the Rosenbergs >ETC: All ages show, $5 tickets > >The show is in the gorgeous, gothic-style Gaston Hall, which >is on the 3rd floor of the Healy Building on Georgetown's >campus. Gaston Hall is over 300 years old and rarely has >musical events - stained glass windows, the whole shebang - >this should be a truly spectacular location to catch Kristin. >To view a map of the campus, go to: > >http://www.georgetown.edu/undergrad/admissions/tour/map/campmap.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Montville Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* > >4. COME TO DC - SEE KRISTIN HERSH > > > >Kristin will be playing at the Future of Music Coalition in > >Washington DC - if you're curious about what that is, check > >out: > > Is this going to be like her show at the Knitting Factory on Sunday where we stand outside for half an hour and then get told that the show is off? I don't know why it was canceled, but in case Kristin is still ill or otherwise indisposed, I'd Call Ahead First! Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* > Is this going to be like her show at the Knitting > Factory on Sunday where > we stand outside for half an hour and then get told > that the show is off? > > I don't know why it was canceled, but in case > Kristin is still ill or > otherwise indisposed, I'd Call Ahead First! It's definitely not cancelled according to Kristin's husband, BillyO, who posts on the throwingmusic.com message board frequently. :) (Kristin was ill for the NYC show.) I'd check that again though before going to this show. marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:45:47 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* when we last left our hereos, Christ Montville exclaimed: >Is this going to be like her show at the Knitting Factory on Sunday where >we stand outside for half an hour and then get told that the show is off? augh! we'll i'm glad that we didn't come down after all...but, man, that must have sucked as much as when sarah mclachlan's show at the iron horse in 1992 was cancelled for reasons unclear -- the alleged reasons i remember hearing included the stage being too small for the full band and there wasn't enough electrical outlets. neither make much sense. woj n.p. wfmu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:55:17 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* woj sez: > augh! we'll i'm glad that we didn't come down after all...but, man, that > must have sucked as much as when sarah mclachlan's show at the iron horse > in 1992 was cancelled for reasons unclear -- the alleged reasons i remember > hearing included the stage being too small for the full band heh. I once saw a 13 piece german ska band (er...think it was the Busters) on a stage built for your standard two-guitars- bass-and-drums rock band at a now-defunct club, Jake's, in Bloomington, Indiana. Pretty scary. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:34:55 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* My fave cancellation was Motorhead at City Gardens in Trenton. They walked in, said "This place is a shit hole", and walked out. That wasn't very Ecto of them. 86 that last remark! Robert Frip does things like that too. "Jeffrey C. Burka" wrote: > woj sez: > > > augh! we'll i'm glad that we didn't come down after all...but, man, that > > must have sucked as much as when sarah mclachlan's show at the iron horse > > in 1992 was cancelled for reasons unclear -- the alleged reasons i remember > > hearing included the stage being too small for the full band > > heh. I once saw a 13 piece german ska band (er...think it was the > Busters) on a stage built for your standard two-guitars- > bass-and-drums rock band at a now-defunct club, Jake's, in Bloomington, > Indiana. Pretty scary. > > jeff - -- "SPAM is heaven's gift Like Hebrew's manna from God Truly my God's food" --Vance Smith Spam Haiku 16553 from the Spam Haiku Archive http://pemtropics.mit.edu/~jcho/spam/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Montville Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* > augh! we'll i'm glad that we didn't come down after all...but, man, that > must have sucked as much as when sarah mclachlan's show at the iron horse > in 1992 was cancelled for reasons unclear -- the alleged reasons i remember > hearing included the stage being too small for the full band and there > wasn't enough electrical outlets. neither make much sense. It wasn't so bad... After that Susan McKeown show on Friday, I think I was just getting greedy. What sucked was when Veda et al left us sitting and waiting in a coffee house in Asbury Park 3 years ago... (Veda? Playing in NJ? Sounded too good to be true, and it was ). To this day, I still don't know what happened. They had decent coffee, so I suppose that wasn't so bad either. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:15:08 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: legends in their own minds Vol 3 Ted sed.... "-----Original Message----- >From: Ted [mailto:teddy4321@erols.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:35 AM >To: Ectopia >Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* >My fave cancellation was Motorhead at City Gardens in Trenton. >They walked in, said "This place is a shit hole", and walked out. >That wasn't very Ecto of them. >86 that last remark! >Robert Frip does things like that too" I have seen Fripp in interviews and on stage, and was always rather amazed and amused at his apparent love affair with his own identity. I started wondering whether this was some kind of mis-perception on my part, and that I was just immaturely misinterpreting his words and actions, but, the guy just kept upping the total jackass quotient each time I saw him. Berating a festival audience that was drenched with mud and rain, because they did not appear to be showing sufficient appreciation of Crimson's stage performance is one example that I witnessed. I don't normally disparage folks publicly ( although Fripp does!), especially those I have never even met, but Robert has always struck me as just really smug and arrogant, afflicted with terminal RS2, and generally one of those people that you wouldn't want to hang out with for very long. I recall an interview a long time ago on British TV with Frippy telling the interviewer something to the effect that those who did not like or understand his music were essentially mentally inferior beings. What he thought of self-absorbed, partially aware rock stars was drowned out by our hysterical laughter. Well, at least he's entertaining! And in fairness to him, I've not seen him in recent years, he may have grown up and become less of a sphincter. It happened to Sting ( and to me!). phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:27:02 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: legends in their own minds Vol 3 Phil Hudson writes: > I have seen Fripp in interviews and on stage, and was always rather amazed > and amused at his apparent love affair with his own identity. I started > wondering whether this was some kind of mis-perception on my part, and that > I was just immaturely misinterpreting his words and actions, but, the guy > just kept upping the total jackass quotient each time I saw him. Happy was making Robert Fripp jokes at her Ectofest show last year. Things like "If I were Robert Fripp, I'd probably just walk out of here right now." It was obviously a bit of a dig at Fripp, as she seemed very comfortable and enthusiastic about being there. One of her other running jokes was " . . . and that's all I'm going to say about that." Probably the best one was "You know how humid it is out here? It's doing something really interesting to me. And that's all I'm going to say about that." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:47:26 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: legends in their own minds Vol 3 I'm a big fan of Fripp as a musician, and, from having met him and the tales of others, find him to be mostly courteous, if reserved, offstage and utterly absorbed in the music onstage. In interviews and his writings (I avidly follow his online diary) though, he comes across as stuffy and self-important, with less skill as a philosopher than as a guitarist. He is capable of unexpected acts of humanity, though -- when, before the latest DC KC show, some friends of mine were waiting all afternoon in the drizzle so as to get good standing positions in the club, Fripp twice appeared outside the club, bearing coffee for them. On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:15:08PM -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: > Ted sed.... > > "-----Original Message----- > >From: Ted [mailto:teddy4321@erols.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:35 AM > >To: Ectopia > >Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* > > >My fave cancellation was Motorhead at City Gardens in Trenton. > >They walked in, said "This place is a shit hole", and walked out. > >That wasn't very Ecto of them. > >86 that last remark! > >Robert Frip does things like that too" > > I have seen Fripp in interviews and on stage, and was always rather amazed > and amused at his apparent love affair with his own identity. I started > wondering whether this was some kind of mis-perception on my part, and that > I was just immaturely misinterpreting his words and actions, but, the guy > just kept upping the total jackass quotient each time I saw him. > > Berating a festival audience that was drenched with mud and rain, because > they did not appear to be showing sufficient appreciation of Crimson's > stage performance is one example that I witnessed. > > I don't normally disparage folks publicly ( although Fripp does!), > especially those I have never even met, but Robert has always struck me as > just really smug and arrogant, afflicted with terminal RS2, and generally > one of those people that you wouldn't want to hang out with for very long. > > I recall an interview a long time ago on British TV with Frippy telling the > interviewer something to the effect that those who did not like or > understand his music were essentially mentally inferior beings. What he > thought of self-absorbed, partially aware rock stars was drowned out by our > hysterical laughter. Well, at least he's entertaining! > > And in fairness to him, I've not seen him in recent years, he may have grown > up and become less of a sphincter. It happened to Sting ( and to me!). > > phil - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:42:27 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: legends in their own minds Vol 3 & 4 Thanks Joe, for showing us more of his good side. That coffee story made me percolate more warmly toward him. Gave me grounds to rethink my opinions, filtered as they are, by my experiences. (We've secretly replaced all Phil's regular opinions with Folgers', just to see what he'll say next!) ;) You're absolutely right about his interviews, he's nearly always been courteous and reserved, but for me, the stumbling block was always largely the content of his messages as opposed to their delivery. The man appears to have opinions on everything, some of them rather silly. However, twice delivering hot coffee to dripping wet fans shows some serious consideration and concern. Nice going Frippy! Speaking of rather rude rock stars, years ago I was introduced to Richie Blackmore by John Birch, the renowned British guitar maker, at his guitar plant. ( I still have the guitar he made me in 1972) Blackmore shook hands and said : "I 'spose you want my f*****g autograph now!". Unable to resist such obvious talent and charm, I replied "No thanks, not unless it's on a blank check" End of meeting, and no backstage pass for the smartass kid with the big white guitar. Incidentally, when Deep Purple played in my Welsh home town, they were on a large theater stage with a big circular revolving platform. All the band's gear was on the circle with them, and the DJ host thought it would be really cool if he started the stage revolving during the gig. Unfortunately for his future career, all the bands twin-stack Marshall heads, mics, monitors, etc were plugged in somewhere OFF the revolving bit. Ooops Added a new dimension to the term 'bringing the house down'. It made the national news, and I believe that the DJ ended up working in a retail store somewhere in eastern Lithuania. P - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:47 AM To: Phil Hudson Cc: Ectopia Subject: Re: legends in their own minds Vol 3 I'm a big fan of Fripp as a musician, and, from having met him and the tales of others, find him to be mostly courteous, if reserved, offstage and utterly absorbed in the music onstage. In interviews and his writings (I avidly follow his online diary) though, he comes across as stuffy and self-important, with less skill as a philosopher than as a guitarist. He is capable of unexpected acts of humanity, though -- when, before the latest DC KC show, some friends of mine were waiting all afternoon in the drizzle so as to get good standing positions in the club, Fripp twice appeared outside the club, bearing coffee for them. On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:15:08PM -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: > Ted sed.... > > "-----Original Message----- > >From: Ted [mailto:teddy4321@erols.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:35 AM > >To: Ectopia > >Subject: Re: kristin hersh in d.c. *today* > > >My fave cancellation was Motorhead at City Gardens in Trenton. > >They walked in, said "This place is a shit hole", and walked out. > >That wasn't very Ecto of them. > >86 that last remark! > >Robert Frip does things like that too" > > I have seen Fripp in interviews and on stage, and was always rather amazed > and amused at his apparent love affair with his own identity. I started > wondering whether this was some kind of mis-perception on my part, and that > I was just immaturely misinterpreting his words and actions, but, the guy > just kept upping the total jackass quotient each time I saw him. > > Berating a festival audience that was drenched with mud and rain, because > they did not appear to be showing sufficient appreciation of Crimson's > stage performance is one example that I witnessed. > > I don't normally disparage folks publicly ( although Fripp does!), > especially those I have never even met, but Robert has always struck me as > just really smug and arrogant, afflicted with terminal RS2, and generally > one of those people that you wouldn't want to hang out with for very long. > > I recall an interview a long time ago on British TV with Frippy telling the > interviewer something to the effect that those who did not like or > understand his music were essentially mentally inferior beings. What he > thought of self-absorbed, partially aware rock stars was drowned out by our > hysterical laughter. Well, at least he's entertaining! > > And in fairness to him, I've not seen him in recent years, he may have grown > up and become less of a sphincter. It happened to Sting ( and to me!). > > phil - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:46:49 -0500 From: Ted Subject: E! top 10 make out list http://www.eonline.com/Features/Topten/Makeout/index.html I really don't think this is news worthy, but what the hey, it's a slow news group day. E!'s top 10 make out CD list gives a nod to The Cocteau Twins and Portished as no. 6 and 5. The list, as with all E! articles, shows signs of multiple personality disorder by putting ol' blue face Sinatra, Luther Vandross, Anglo shit kicker Dusty Springfield, and Prodigal Son Marvin Gaye ahead of them. The only thing that is a surprise to me aside from a nod toward CT's and Portished is that they came in ahead of the romantically devaluated Love Walrus, Barry White, who has been downgraded to number ten on the list. This means that your old faithful Love Unlimited Orchestra 8 track probably won't get you past 2nd base these days. ted btw- Never try to make out to ska past age 38 - -- "SPAM is heaven's gift Like Hebrew's manna from God Truly my God's food" --Vance Smith Spam Haiku 16553 from the Spam Haiku Archive http://pemtropics.mit.edu/~jcho/spam/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:32:11 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: Ecto in Flagrante Delecto? Interesting thread Ted! (Subject: E! top 10 make out list) How about Ectonians' favorite makeout albums? I'm sure most people have them. I don't really like lyrics much in those delicate situations; things like Barry White's 50khz "Oh baby" just make me laugh too much. I'll generally play Peter Gabriel's "Passion" ( aptly named) for those intense and sensually intimate moments with the inflatable goat, the CheezWhiz and the oxy-acetylene gear. >8-) phil - -----Original Message----- From: Ted [mailto:teddy4321@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:47 PM To: Seedy Gardens; Kate Mongers; Ectopia Subject: E! top 10 make out list http://www.eonline.com/Features/Topten/Makeout/index.html I really don't think this is news worthy, but what the hey, it's a slow news group day. E!'s top 10 make out CD list gives a nod to The Cocteau Twins and Portished as no. 6 and 5. The list, as with all E! articles, shows signs of multiple personality disorder by putting ol' blue face Sinatra, Luther Vandross, Anglo shit kicker Dusty Springfield, and Prodigal Son Marvin Gaye ahead of them. The only thing that is a surprise to me aside from a nod toward CT's and Portished is that they came in ahead of the romantically devaluated Love Walrus, Barry White, who has been downgraded to number ten on the list. This means that your old faithful Love Unlimited Orchestra 8 track probably won't get you past 2nd base these days. ted btw- Never try to make out to ska past age 38 - -- "SPAM is heaven's gift Like Hebrew's manna from God Truly my God's food" --Vance Smith Spam Haiku 16553 from the Spam Haiku Archive http://pemtropics.mit.edu/~jcho/spam/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:47:20 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: makeout albums (was: Ecto in Flagrante Delecto?) On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:32:11 -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: >How about Ectonians' favorite makeout albums? I'm sure most people have >them. Never, ever try to make out to Enigma's _The Mask Behind the Mirror_. I really like that album, and I thought that all the powerful choir stuff and the nice drum beats would get her going, but instead they gave her a headache. Needless to say, the evening dried up right there on the spot. Next time I think I'll try David Lanz's _Cristofori's Dream_. - - Bill G. np: Eagles - _Hell Freezes Over_ (it was a good deal at A&B Sound). nr: "North to the Night -- A Spiritual Oddysey in the Arctic", by Alvah Simon. (I highly recommend this true account of this man's wintering in his sailboat anchored far north in the Arctic Sea). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:03:44 -0600 From: James Mitchell Subject: Re: makeout albums (was: Ecto in Flagrante Delecto?) Bill wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:32:11 -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: > > >How about Ectonians' favorite makeout albums? I'm sure most people have > >them. Well, having been alone ever since I discovered it, there hasn't been much chance for a test drive, but I've always wanted to try Yo La Tengo's Electr-o-Pura. It has rather a hard, noisy edge for the purpose, but there are vast reaches of tenderness underneath that make me think it might almost work. James ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #11 *************************