From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #7 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, January 7 2001 Volume 07 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac [Neal Copperman ] My top CDs 0f 2000 [dave ] Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac [Yngve Hauge ] Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac [Joseph Zitt ] cd burning [Jerene Waite ] More on between-track clicks [Joseph Zitt ] Susan McKeown and the Chanting House at Fez [meredith ] RE: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: addiction confliction [dmw ] Re: ecto-digest V7 #5 [lanblind@teleport.com] A new spam scam [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:30:30 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac At 11:56 PM -0600 1/5/01, tenthvictim@mindspring.com wrote: >Here is a question for the cd burning ectophiles out there. I burned a >rough mix of homemade christmas songs and got a pop after each song. I was >using Adaptec Easy CD. The pops aren't on the end of the wave files which >comprise the CD. I even had one track fading out, so as far as the software >is concerned, it should have seen silence at the end of that track. It >seemed that the burning program just laid the pops in all on its lonesome. >Any suggestions? Also, how do you normalize all your tracks so they are the >same volume? Is it just a hit or miss proposition dependent on your ears? I don't know about the pops, but I've been playing around with trying to get DAT tapes onto my computer, and have come across a couple of ways to normalize the tracks. Don't know if they will be to your liking, but here they are. 1. I've been playing with something called Pro-Tools. It's a full 8-track mixing studio for your computer. It's Mac and PC compatible, and you can get it for free from http://www.digi-designs.com. ProTools has a normalize feature, so you can highlight regions and normalize them up or down. 2. With ProTools, but also with SimpleSound (on the Mac, but probably anything you use to record input directly), you can record sessions. When you do this in either tool, you can set levels. Be warned, you are now talking real time activities. Rather than dragging files off a disc, you have to play and record them. But you can muck with the levels. What I'd like to do is actually normalize to the wave of the music, which I guess would be more like smoothing. See, I taped this show, and it sounds fantastic, except for this one guy who is a screaming lunatic. Near the end of each song, he would let out this whoop that is easily 10 times louder than anything around it. It's unreal. He kept this up for 2 hours too. When you look at the soundwaves, you can see the gradual arc of the music, and then this giant blob where this guy let's out his yell. While I haven't tried this yet, in ProTools you can do raw editing with a pencil. So I can attempt to trace the line of the music and cut out his screaming. But that is going to take a long time, and probably be kind of clumsy. I'd be curious if anyone knows an easy (and free, or at least cheap) way of cleaning that up. later, neal np: keep a secret - the mysteries of life nr: A Winter's Tale - Mark Helprin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:52:21 -0500 From: dave Subject: My top CDs 0f 2000 Blah blah, yadda yadda... here they are, not necessarily in any particular order.. Jaci Velasquez - Crystal Clear Rachael Lampa - Live For You Caedmon's Call - Long Line of Leavers Aurora - Aurora Varius Manx - Najlepze z Dobrych Sarah Brightman - La Luna Nichole Nordeman - This Mystery The Corrs - In Blue Jennifer Knapp - Lay it Down V*enna - Where I Wanna Be Michelle Tumes - Center of My Universe Crystal Lewis - Fearless Tara MacLean - Passenger Maria McKee - Ultimate Collection Trisha Yearwood - Real Live Woman And one '99 CD I got this year that I have to mention.. Shannon Curfman- Loud Guitars, Big Suspicions I believe she was 13 when this album was recorded, and if she sings and plays like this at that age I can't wait to hear what's still to come from her. also.. favorite new tv show.. Dark Angel expecting in the mail any day now.. Kasia Kowalska's new CD, "5" (just heard she's opening for Sting when he plays in Poland in June) - -- dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:00:02 +0100 (CET) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 tenthvictim@mindspring.com wrote: > Greetings, > > Yngve mentioned the two-CD Fleetwood Mac live set from Boston in 1970. It > was recorded at the Tea Party Club. I've been enjoying that concert for > approximately ten years. It is a good one. I started out sometime in the > eighties with a record from a cutout bin. This record is a Belgian import > titled _Fleetwood Mac Live_. Later, I found a CD of the same set titled > _Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits Live_ (this is a German import). I also found > another CD, _The Early Years Fleetwood Mac_ which was the first part of the > concert where the band played oldies as a warmup and called themselves Earl > Vince and the Valiants (this is a British import). I don't know if the > double CD you bought has the Earl Vince stuff ("Madison Blues," "Great Balls > of Fire," "Keep a Knocking," etc.). If it doesn't, it is no loss; Fleetwood > Mac is at their best with twin-guitar blues, not fifties music. > (Some blues I never get tired of discussing :) The strange thing is that Jeremy Spencer never played any of Peter's songs. I don't know why, but he was pretty wierd from the start. Jeremy got to most amazing slide guitar talent besided Elmore James. During the recording of Then Play On he did spend most of the time in a pub across the street, and to my knowledge he doesn't even appear on the album other than the fact that he is listed among the bandmembers. About the Boston live release of last year. The recording was one of three shows recorded in Boston. The sound quality of the other releases from the 80s are way below what they've done with the new one. The shows have been released in several different versions - some with the same title but with different covers and some with different titles alltogether. I've spent quite some time looking for a single release where the original tapes have been used, but been disappointed many times throughout the years until the release last year which is utterly brilliant. If you don't have a blues album in your collection then this is probably the one to get. Everything is perfect except for the first paragraph of the liner notes which is showing that the person doesn't have the notion to respect the rest of The Macs' history. I tend to start reading the second paragraph, cause the first one just makes me annoyed and angry. The Earl Vince and the Valiants recording has also not too many years ago been released under the title The Early Years, and was I think part of a series consisting of Live at the Boston Tea Party and another title I can't remember off the top of my head right now as I don't have the CD with me. Do you know if the Encore Jam on the double set appears on any of the single CD releases of the 80s? I haven't seen it in any of the stores I've been wandering after I did start collection. A very low key Eric Clapton appears together with part of the warmup band on that number. I tend to think that the recording is from one of the other dates they recorded as both CDs clearly are from the same night. My opinion is that at that time (1970) Peter Green could play circles around Clapton. He couldn't play faster as it seemed like among most guitar players of the 70s and 80s would think made a brilliant guitarist. Jimi Hendrix had the speed and agility none other players had, but with Peter it was something very different that as I understand Hendrix even looked up to him for. That's what fascinates me really - If you compare Peter Green's playing to any other guitarist you'll notice that he tends to use less notes to get the same effect. Every sound he let out did mean as much as the others. I think that Danny Kirwan did add something to his playing there as he also got the way of simplicity. Not that Peter's playing was less than brilliant before Danny did join, but he did help him add another dimension to it. Maybe that's why others got a hard time doing really good covers of those songs (Santana included of course :) ? I guess much of it is because I've heard how good those songs really can be. > There is a box set of John Mayall songs on which Peter Green plays some > beautiful, sad blues lines, the best one being "The Supernatural." The box > set also contains a bunch of Clapton solos, too. John Mayall is no slouch, > either. > John Mayall said something to the sound technicans in the studio the first day Peter did appear instead of Clapton that tells quite how much he did admire Peter's playing. When he looked at their nervous faces, he said "Don't worry, we got something better". "A Hard Road" the only John Mayall's B. he did appear on before he did quit to start FM is quite good actually. Not my favorite album, but still worth it just because of Peter appearing with his playing and 2 self-written songs. - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:27:52 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:56:45PM -0600, tenthvictim@mindspring.com wrote: > Here is a question for the cd burning ectophiles out there. I burned a > rough mix of homemade christmas songs and got a pop after each song. I was > using Adaptec Easy CD. The pops aren't on the end of the wave files which > comprise the CD. I even had one track fading out, so as far as the software > is concerned, it should have seen silence at the end of that track. It > seemed that the burning program just laid the pops in all on its lonesome. > Any suggestions? Also, how do you normalize all your tracks so they are the > same volume? Is it just a hit or miss proposition dependent on your ears? The tech support pages for Roxio (the new name for Adaptec's digital audio division) have some suggestions. Go to http://ask.roxio.com/cgi-bin/rx-tic/search and search for article number 990416-0011 - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:42:28 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 12:30:30AM -0700, Neal Copperman wrote: > What I'd like to do is actually normalize to the wave of the music, > which I guess would be more like smoothing. See, I taped this show, > and it sounds fantastic, except for this one guy who is a screaming > lunatic. Near the end of each song, he would let out this whoop that > is easily 10 times louder than anything around it. It's unreal. He > kept this up for 2 hours too. When you look at the soundwaves, you > can see the gradual arc of the music, and then this giant blob where > this guy let's out his yell. While I haven't tried this yet, in > ProTools you can do raw editing with a pencil. So I can attempt to > trace the line of the music and cut out his screaming. But that is > going to take a long time, and probably be kind of clumsy. I'd be > curious if anyone knows an easy (and free, or at least cheap) way of > cleaning that up. I've been dealing with this in some performance tapes I'm putting online from the just-completed Texas tour, and in other recordings over the years. I've gotten pretty good at editing this kind of thing out, if it happens between songs or in non-rhythmic passages, but it's difficult if they happen during rhythmic sections, since editing out a bit of time will screw up the rhythm. WHat we need, I think, is a limiter. I just found PeakLimit at http://www.sf-soft.de/peaklimit.html but haven't downloaded or tried it yet. What I'd love to find is a fast sample rate convertor, preferably one that would handle batches of files. Using CoolEdit 2000, dropping the rate down from 48000 (at which my DAT records) to 44100 takes about 10-12 times the duration of the track itself. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:45:02 -0800 From: Jerene Waite Subject: cd burning I don't think there is any way to adjust volume on tracks within Adaptec Easy CD itself. But version 4 deluxe includes CD Spin Doctor. Within that, you may request that loudness be balanced--an automatic process which I have found works fairly well--to my untrained ear. All tracks must be on your hard drive before burning in order to use this feature. This application is also great for recording from vinyl, but I have had no luck using the automatic track spacer, which looks for silence to define tracks. I have never had pops using either of these applications. I like recording from the hard drive using the disk at once option and not having the 2 s gap between tracks. (I use HP CD writers.) - --Jerene > > > Here is a question for the cd burning ectophiles out there. I burned a > rough mix of homemade christmas songs and got a pop after each song. I was > using Adaptec Easy CD. The pops aren't on the end of the wave files which > comprise the CD. I even had one track fading out, so as far as the software > is concerned, it should have seen silence at the end of that track. It > seemed that the burning program just laid the pops in all on its lonesome. > Any suggestions? Also, how do you normalize all your tracks so they are the > same volume? Is it just a hit or miss proposition dependent on your ears? > > Bye, > Lyle > > n.p. _Dead Cities_ Future Sounds of London. > > ------------------------------ > > End of ecto-digest V7 #6 > ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:09:48 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: More on between-track clicks Forwarded from a similar simultaneous conversation on zorn-list - ----- Forwarded message from Craig Rath ----- X-Sender: fripp@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:39:30 -0600 To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Precedence: bulk >you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the >appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you >need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show, >or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly >have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also >discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses. If you are working in wav files, there is a good shareware utility called CD Wave which displays the entire wav file, and allows you to cut it up into smaller chunks (essentially creating a cue sheet for the wav file) and then when you are done it will create separate wav files for each segment. The nice thing about it is that it will divide the tracks at 2352 byte borders which allows for the tracks to be seamlessly burned to CD without that annoying click you sometimes get between tracks when the two tracks run into each other. I've got an older version of it, but you should be able to get an updated version at http://www.crosswinds.net/~cdwave/ - If you don't have room for the files in wav format, though, then Cool Edit is probably one of the better ones. Just make sure you get a version which allows you to have multiple files open at one time. - - - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:54:03 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Susan McKeown and the Chanting House at Fez Hi! Last night Susan McKeown and the latest incarnation of The Chanting House returned to Fez in NYC. woj and I traveled south with a friend of mine from work and his SO, and let me share with you all the valuable lesson we learned: when snow is falling from the sky on a Friday evening, no matter how light or how small the accumulations, if you're planning on traveling to New York City, TAKE THE TRAIN!!! When it took us two hours just to get to Norwalk from Milford (normally a 20 minute trip), we gave up and jumped on the train in Stamford. Argh. Good thing Susan's set wasn't until 10, and the woman at the door at Fez was actually nice about holding our reservation for us. The good news is, the show was very much worth the trouble in getting there. As Mike Curry put it afterwards, "you mean they got better AGAIN?!" Last night's lineup consisted of Susan (of course) on vocals, guitar, and bodhran; Jon Spurney on guitars and piano; Lindsey Horner (yay!) on electric and acoustic bass and bass clarinet; and Alison Miller (occasionally of Mila Drumke's band, among many, many other things) on drums and percussion. (I must state that Jon and Alison both looked quite fetching in their leather pants. I wonder why Lindsey didn't wear his? ;) The set included a few songs from _Lowlands_ ("The Hare's Lament", "To Fair London Town", "The Snows They Melt The Soonest"; several staples of the Chanting House repertoire from the past few years ("Seven Cold Glories", "Fuck You", "Wheels", "The River"), some surprises (a jazz number called something like "Ribbon Bow" (Mike, can you confirm the title from the set list you grabbed?), "Curiouser"), the ubiquitous "Son Of A Preacher Man" and "Snakes", and ... a new song!!! It's called "South", and after it was done we all looked around at each other, stunned. When I saw Susan later I was moved to bow down at her feet - - I think she was a bit surprised at how much people liked it (the applause after it ended was particularly loud and long). She said she had just put the finishing touches on some of the lyrics that afternoon. Musically, it's what Mike called "her goth song", but I was reminded a bit more of something you'd have heard on the Peel Sessions in the early 90's. It was all electric guitar, electric bass, and drums, minor key (Don Keller, are you listening? ), with some serious vocal stuff going on on top of it all. It comes from the same planet that brought us "Heart", "Salome" and "I Know I Know". Subsequent listens to woj's recording have confirmed that it indeed rules. Yes, folks, a new Chanting House album is in the works! Susan said she'll be writing this month (I went back and counted up all the unreleased original songs she's been performing over the years, and I guess she could use a couple more to round things out), and in February and March she and the boys might do some low-key gigs at places like the Living Room and/or Arlene Grocery to try things out. Must keep eyes peeled for those schedules in the next few weeks. So that was that. It was good to see most of the usual suspects in attendance. The room was full, though not as packed as in some previous shows. I guess the weather kept people away (I sneeze in their general direction, ). They missed a good one. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:13:54 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac I've been using Cool Edit for a while now, and I've found that it can do most anything I want, the trick is just figuring out how. I find that my audience tapes often have a loud audience compared to the music. I tried a lot of things to "normalize" this, until I discovered a numbingly simple solution. In CoolEdit 2000, you choose Transform -> Amplitude -> Dynamics Processing. You get a graph that starts out as a straight diagonal. Putting a small notch in the upper right, clipping high amplitudes, went a long way towards normalizing. Of course, I only applied this on a selection including applause so as to minimize any effect on the music - but if the music is quiet enough relative to applause, it won't affect the music even if applied to the whole programme. Since its harder to describe what I'm talking about than it is to do, here's a screen shot from CoolEdit: http://home.earthlink.net/~foghornj/dynamic.gif In CE, very small adjustments to this curve can have fairly dramatic results. As usual let your ears be the final judge. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:43:16 -0500 From: vylette Subject: Re: addiction confliction At 03:19 PM 12/28/00 -0800, Steve VanDevender wrote: >those of you new to the list), which is a condition I call RSA, Record >Store Amnesia. When I go into a record store, I _know_ there's all this >great stuff I could maybe get, but I can't remember what it was. that happens to me too, and pretty badly, or i should say pretty goodly, because it turned out in the end to be a good thing after all, At 07:05 AM 1/2/01 -0800, Marla Tiara wrote: >--- meredith wrote: >> ... or, buy a Palm Pilot. I know at least two > >I do that! I've been keeping a list of everyone >intriguing that has been mentioned on ecto, as well as >a list of CDs to buy, movies to see, movies to rent, >books to read, etc etc etc. :) because once upon a time i had a mini organizer like that, not a palm, either they weren't out yet or i had never heard of them, and i kept my cd lists in it and it was a BIIIIG mistake, for the strange reason that my landlord wanted money, not cds. which is, ok, weird, but what can you do? it worked super duper well, way too too well, oops, and so when it finally broke (itself this time, instead of me), oops again, i was actually sorta relieved and on purpose didn't get a new one. later on i got a pilot as a gift but i've been ohso carefully careful not to use it in the same way as before because i already can get rid of every last pesky penny of cd money that might be ever skulking around, just fine thank you, and i don't need a pilot to help me get rid of it even more. so that's my little survivor's story, may it please the court. -v ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:27:19 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: addiction confliction On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, vylette wrote: > that my landlord wanted money, not cds. which is, ok, weird, but what what is UP with that!? my landlord's the same way. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:18:24 -0800 From: lanblind@teleport.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V7 #5 hello all, i can't even attempt a best of the year album list as I have spent the year finishing two of my own. I have been reading them with interest though, thanks. Just wanted to say hello to all, thank you for inviting me to perform at EctoWest (such a cool idea) and also two brief thank yous to other Ectos out there. Neal, thanks for ordering Ordinary Magic, waiting for it and still playing Out of Chaos. The printer assures me that it will ship to SF within a week and then I will be sending them all out to all who ordered them. It'a been sooooooo Weird, almost like a hex, things kept happening at the last minute, again and again, from problems back east with the font not arriving from the graphic artist to the printer to anything you can think of for months and months until I could no longer utter the name. Right up until New Years Eve itself I thought I might have it in my hands before the year was over. Ha! Dreamer! BLIND had a huge gig in Eugene that we would have sold 75 copies at least but NO! So, after two years on this baby, needless to say, I am so proud of my producing that I probably can't play it for 3 or 4 months due to extreme frustration. But in your hands soon, perhaps the folks that ordered can tell me what they think of it and somehow I will love it again. Also, another thanks to all those that showed up at that First Night gig, some ecto folk I had never met before. One guy said he had heard of us for years, I think his name was Steve? Hello out there. Anyway, I will try and post more now that my life is calming down. peace to all in the new year, Cyoakha Grace, Land O' Blind, Azigza etc..... PO Box 198 Mill Valley, CA 94941 lanblind@teleport.com http://landoftheblind.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:25:46 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: A new spam scam Hi, I just got an e-mail stating, "Thank you for your order". Mentioning a big sex toy for $80 on my credit card and a number with a 919 area code for customer assistance >if< I have any questions! I don't know but I bet 919 is off shore or worse and a call would get me liable for way too much money on the phone bill. Anyone else hear about this? bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #7 ************************