From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #353 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, November 24 2000 Volume 06 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A few more covers that occurred to me.. [Bill ] Re: covers [Ted ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Jorane [Steve I ] Elusive PJ Harvey gigs. ["Adam K." ] Re: OT: Death Penalty [indedamon 2000 ] covers [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: Covers that redefine the originals? [indedamon 2000 ] Re: covers [Marla Tiara ] Re: Happy Rhodes and Projekt ["Suzanna Otting" ] GoGos and such [dave ] Covers Revisited [Ted ] Covers revisited revisited [Ted ] More covers (Byrds and Nyro) [Monroe/Fisher ] Re: Covers Revisited [Bill ] covers [dmw ] Sinead's Faith & Courage info for ectoguide? [Neile Graham ] Re: Covers Revisited [Ted ] Re: covers [Ted ] Re: Sinead's Faith & Courage info for ectoguide? [Cathy Sandifer Subject: Re: A few more covers that occurred to me.. On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, dave wrote: > I think the version of Whiter Shade of Pale I like the most was [...] oh, that reminds me! David Lanz's (pianist from Seattle) cover of "A whiter shade of pale", with the original Procul Harem organist playing the organ, is pretty darn good. A bit subdued, since David Lanz is a "new age" artist (although he himself laughs at being labeled "new age"), but a good cover nonetheless. Check it out, it is on the _Cristofori's Dream_ album, the title track of which is one of my favorite works. - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:31:27 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Re: covers Three of my recent fav covers are all by the Japanese Power Pop Sensations, Shonen Knife: 1. Daydream Believer 2. I Wanna be Sedated 3. Tortoise Brand Pot Scrubbing Cleanser Theme - -ted np: The Yobs - "Oy Santa" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Claudia Spix (no Email address) ********************* ********************** Anja Baldo (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:57:17 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Jorane Michael wrote: > >forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but according to > >the DKD website, Jorane's new album 16mm was released on November > >7. I haven't actually seen it yet, but it does seem to be listed > >in the databases at http://futureshop.ca and http://www.absound.ca. >Hmv.com doesn't seem to have it in stock either, as they list >it as "usually ships in 14 days." AB Sound has it as "special >order (ships in 6-8 weeks)," and Futureshop has it as a special >order as well. Grrr. Has anyone out there in ectoland been >able to hear this yet??? I got it last week from the local Chapters. I asked about it every time I went, and finally the salesperson told me that they'd just come in but they hadn't been put on the shelves yet. There was some confusion about whether the release date had happened yet, but she ended up selling me the CD anyways. I might have gotten away with something because it's been a week and it's still not on the shelves, which is unusual because her first CD has really prominent positioning in the store, the kind of positioning usually reserved for priority major label artists. Anyways I'm sure fans of Jorane will like 16mm too. The first thing to strike me about the CD, as I travelled home on the subway impatiently waiting to get at the CD player, was its art - it's beautiful. It's a black digipak with gorgeous art/photography. I really hope she'll have t-shirts and posters with this art. The music itself is in the same vein as her self-titled CD, kind of a Tori-meets-Beethoven thing. Maybe it's the cello, maybe it's because she sings in a language I can't understand (she sings in French, for those who don't know), or because her writing is influenced by her classical training, but her music has a certain timeless feel to it. One track in particular comes to mind, ironically named "Nouvelle", in which she plucks almost medieval-sounding chords on her cello. Her opening track, "Ghost" also has an oddly medieval feel to it. 16mm seems a bit darker in tone than her debut effort, as far as I can tell without being able to understand her lyrics. But then sometimes she doesn't sing words anyways, and with Jorane it can be a wonderful thing, because it frees one to concentrate on the quality of her voice, which is enough to bring me near tears on songs like "Film III", which flip-flops between passages where she sings in a "solo" voice that soars, delicate and beautiful and alone, and passages where her vocals are heavily layered, almost Enya style, the whole time accompanied only by cello (also layered), and some fairly subtle percussion. Anyways on the whole a beautiful record. I don't think I love it as much as her first, and for those new to Jorane I'd recommend that they start with her eponymous first CD, but it's still a terrific disc that will surely spend a lot of time in my CD player. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:56:36 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Elusive PJ Harvey gigs. All right, I'll get straight to the point ---I AM SOOOOO PISSED OFF!!! Why? Because I've been waiting for PJ Harvey to go on tour, and have been scouring the listings mag, Time Out, for news of any gigs. The website I used to go to (which was pretty useless, anyway) has gone west, so I was counting on London's ONLY listings mag to keep abreast. Finally, yesterday, they announce TWO gigs at the Shepherds Bush Empire. BOTH ALREADY SOLD OUT!!!!! HOW PISSED OFF AM I? VERY!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:10:54 -0500 From: indedamon 2000 Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty Robert Lovejoy wrote: > > Paul Blair writes: > > Contrary to Bob Lovejoy, I think the world would be a better place if > > everybody understood just what Service to Self involved, and > > practiced it. The principle that every individual's life is an end > > in itself and does not exist for others' sake, thereby rules out > > treating others as if they lived to serve oneself. Murderers are not > > selfish in any coherent sense of that term. Punishing them, however, > > is; leaving them unpunished is both unselfish and destructive. > > Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? If everyone is in > it for themselves, anarchy or, more likely, a police state ensues. not necessarily. possibly. anarchy is not necessarily a bad hting- the dispossessed offers one view of just such a thing. Being > selfish implies treating others as if they lived to serve you. And I still > think taking another's life to suit your own needs is a selfish act. no and yes. taking another's life means that one is displacing certain selfish desires [ie, the desire to be able to function freely], for others [the desire to vent anger]. if someone were really selfish, the idea of possibly going to jail for murder would prohibit the act. > I think a lot of the arguments about selfishness and altruism are distorted > through semantics. We may not agree on a definition of service-to-self and > service-to-others. service to self can beservice to others, as shown above. service to self\= service against others. it's only when those two conflict that there's a problem. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: covers Hi.. Making tapes of obscure covers sounds like a great idea to me. Anyone agree? Anna Maria np-francoise hardy-clair obscur Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:52:56 -0500 From: indedamon 2000 Subject: Re: Covers that redefine the originals? lick the tins's elvis's cover of cant' help falling in love. found, most notably, on the some kind of wonderful sndtrck. for those not familiar with this gem of a gorup, imagine the pogues, the coors, and heavenly thrown in a blender and put on puree. yumm. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:10:45 -0500 (EST) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #352 Please excuse me if this has been mentioned before as I haven't been able to totally keep up with the digest, I still see possible labels for Happy being mentioned. When I spoke to her at the Project Lo show in Waterbury she indicated that she was going to go it alone. I thought she indicated that she was going to do this via the internet although my memory may be faulty. I do remember her saying that she was going to work something out to make her back catalog available once more. I mentioned Jane Siberry to her and how all the work on the business and technical end of things really diverted her time and energy away from artistic endeavors but she seemed already aware of this. By the way being as web tv is not particularly internet radio friendly and I live at the base of a couple of Litchfield(CT.) county's remarkably scenic and tall hills I would be very grateful if some of the more technically minded members (or anyone really) could provide advice on how to improve my radio reception. I have an old but good Harmon/Kardon (hk740 ultrawideband receiver) but the less than optimal conditions make it difficult to tune into noncommercial radio stations (not reknowned for their tremendous broadcasting power). I would like to thank in advance anyone who can help me in this matter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #352 P.S. Now listening-Project Lo(dabblings in darkness) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: Elusive PJ Harvey gigs. Yeah, they're being really secretive about her shows in the US as well. I happened to see a note in the Boston Globe... But anyway, I got my tickets to the Boston show! If anyone else wants to go, call 617-423-NEXT - it's December 9 (a Saturday) at the newly reopened Paradise! (I have had so many people ask me the wheres and hows of this show that I figured I'd post the info.) marla tiara - --- "Adam K." wrote: > Finally, yesterday, they announce > TWO gigs at the Shepherds Bush Empire. BOTH ALREADY > SOLD OUT!!!!! > > HOW PISSED OFF AM I? VERY!!!!!!!!!! ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: covers > 3. Tortoise Brand Pot Scrubbing Cleanser Theme This is a cover? I always thought they actually wrote the theme themselves... marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:57:14 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes and Projekt >While we're on the subject of Projekt, are there any Black Tape, Lycia, or Love Spirals Downward >fans out there? I recently picked up "Excelsis, A Dark Noel" (the title caught my eye) which I believe includes songs by all three of those groups. It is also the best Christmas album I have ever listened to. Really. So far, anyway. The cover of "Welcome Christmas" (from the original Grinch movie!) by Love Spirals Downward was especially good. I recommend it. Suzanna Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:26:52 -0500 From: dave Subject: GoGos and such Marla Tiara wrote: > One cover I haven't seen mentioned yet that I love is > Cub's cover of the GoGos Vacation. Vacation was also covered by 'One Eighty' (now known as Flight 180). They also do a nice version of 'I Wanna Be Like You' from Jungle Book (do Disney songs count as covers?) as well as Brian Setzers 'Look at That Cadillac', Louis Prima's 'Sing Sing Sing' and a few others. I've got a couple of samples of them on page 3 of my website, http://www.magpage.com/~sspan/ Which is sorely in need of updating :/ The Kasia Kowalska section did get a quite favorable mention in Tylko Rock, the most popular monthly magazine in Poland, last month though. (shameless self promotion). Oh.. I see someone else beat me to mentioning Nancy Griffith in response to someone else's metion of Tecumseh Valley.. Other Voices/Other Rooms is a wonderful collection of covers.. Ok.. one more.. (once you start thinking of these things you can't seem to stop).. Caedmon's Call does a nice job on Shawn Colvin's 'Climb on a Back That's Strong' dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:48:25 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Covers Revisited There's a cover version of 99 Red Balloons circulating on Napster that is attributed to the Sugar Cubes. It doesn't sound like Bjork singing the lead but it is a groovy song! Does anybody know about this song? (btw- There is also "99 Luft Ballons" attributed to Bjork, but that one is clearly Nena) Here are some more covers to check out: "Keep on Loving You" - The Donnas "Feliz Navidad" - El Vez "California Dreaming" - Me First and the Gimme Gimmes "Girl from Ipenema" - Pizzicato Five "Girl from Ipenema" - Mrs. Miller "Yellow Submarine" - Mrs. Miller "Stayin Alive" - Ozzy Osbourne "Smoke on the Water" - Pat Boone "Chevy Van" - Fu Manchu "Hello, I Love You" - The Cure "Rock the Casbah" - Solar Twins (And, of course, no cover list of mine would be complete without) "Ruby don't take your love to town" - Leonard Nimoy "Rocket Man" - William Shatner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:52:40 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Covers revisited revisited Geez! How could I forget! "Hotel California" - Gypsy Kings and "Leaving on a Jet Plane" - Bjork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:24:41 -0800 From: Monroe/Fisher Subject: More covers (Byrds and Nyro) Two of the best covers ever - and by the same band. The Byrds' "Mr. Tambourine Man" (Dylan) and "Turn, Turn, Turn" (Pete Seger?). Also Laura Nyro does a great version of "Up On the Roof" (Gaffin, King) on Christmas and the Beads of Sweat. Plus there is her album of covers with Labelle. Laura never had a "hit" of her own but a few artists had hits covering her songs. She may have made more money from her songs than her recordings. When I Die - Blood, Sweat, and Tears Eli's Comin - Three Dog Night Stoney End - Barbara Streisand It seems like there were more. That's all I can think of at the moment. Wayne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: Covers Revisited On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Ted wrote: > (And, of course, no cover list of mine would be complete without) > > "Ruby don't take your love to town" - Leonard Nimoy > "Rocket Man" - William Shatner really?! where? - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:37:45 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: covers Here are some more covers to check out: "Keep on Loving You" - The Donnas < where is this, please? i've been intermittently skimming this thread -- i mean, it's such a *big* topic, it borders for me on listing all songs with the word "rain" in them, or something -- but it occurs to me, as far as covers transforming the original goes, that some of you might have heard Emm Gryner playing def leppard's "pour some sugar on me," and further that it's just possible that one of you might have a recording of same. if you do, please get in touch. i rambled about this cover in the article i recently wrote covering the show: "Wrong place, wrong time? I don't think so. The crowd -- a pretty big one for a Sunday night and a little-known artist -- is attentive and enthusiastic through out, with good reason. The unexpected centerpiece of the set is a version of Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me," that's one of the most startling covers I've heard over the past several years, up there with Whiskeytown doing Sonic Youth's "Expressway To Yr Skull." Gryner slows it down a little, and plays it on piano, which changes its character quite a bit to start with, but what's amazing is that she sings it as if it were a sincere, even tender, love song, not a cartoon of arena-rock sexuality. "I'm hot, and sticky-sweet, from my head down to my feet," she confesses, offhandedly, almost embarrassedly, and it's suddenly hard to remember how Joe Lynn Turner sang the line without sounding idiotic (well, maybe he didn't). There's nothing campy or ironic about Gryner's delivery, but somehow she makes the song sound a lot less stupid than it ever sounded to me before. " really an ace cover ... along with 88,000 others... - -- d. np the fall _the unutterable_ ...he's still alive! amazing... - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:38:35 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Sinead's Faith & Courage info for ectoguide? Hi, all-- I'm updating Sinead's entry in The Ectophiles' Guide with comments from the new album and still need a little info for it: - --label & catalog # - --what instruments Sinead plays - --guest artists & their instruments - --producers Could someone send these to me? Please post to ecto that you're doing so, so a bunch of people don't end up typing the whole lot out. Thanks! - --Neile n.p. Beethoven's Late Quartets - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 02:15:16 +0100 (CET) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: More covers (Byrds and Nyro) On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Monroe/Fisher wrote: > Two of the best covers ever - and by the same band. The Byrds' "Mr. > Tambourine Man" (Dylan) and "Turn, Turn, Turn" (Pete Seger?). I love Melanie's cover of "Mr Tambourine Man" - just to mention it :) > > Also Laura Nyro does a great version of "Up On the Roof" (Gaffin, King) on > Christmas and the Beads of Sweat. Plus there is her album of covers with > Labelle. Laura never had a "hit" of her own but a few artists had hits > covering her songs. She may have made more money from her songs than her > recordings. Goffin/King gotta be one of the most successful married songwriter couples. It is so sad that he died in that accident in '79. - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:47:23 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Re: Covers Revisited Bill wrote: > > > > > "Ruby don't take your love to town" - Leonard Nimoy That's on a Cd compilation -"Spaced Out" Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner It's also on a Leonard Nimoy album, but I forget which on as Leonard put out a lot! > > > "Rocket Man" - William Shatner That is a Live Bootleg Taken from the 1978 Science Fiction Film awards, Usually available on Napster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:57:19 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Re: covers dmw wrote: > Here are some more covers to check out: > > "Keep on Loving You" - The Donnas > < > > where is this, please? > The Donnas cover of "Keep On Loving You" is available on the Drive Me Crazy Soundtrack (From Source:http://www.spin.com/noise/news/1999/10/05/1/#item8) > Donnas Drive Us Crazy > Believe it or not, there is a reason to see the new Melissa Joan Hart film > "Drive Me Crazy." Besides featuring the star of Sabrina the Teenage > Witch in a fanciful romantic comedy setting, the film also features favorite > rock darlings The Donnas. Playing all girl rock band The Electrocutes - a > stretch, we know - the band turns up in three scenes including a club > performance of the Donnas track "Outta My Mind," and a prom scene > where they play a cover of the classic REO Speedwagon hit "Keep On > Loving You." Well worth the price of admission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Cathy Sandifer Subject: Re: Sinead's Faith & Courage info for ectoguide? I've got the CD handy, I should be able to type it up either tonight or tomorrow morning. - -- cathy @ radix.net I ate your Web page. Forgive me. It was juicy And tart on my tongue. (MIT web server 404 error message) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #353 **************************