From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #280 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 06 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: equation [Billi Mazur ] Re: was equation now Eliza Carthy [Billi Mazur ] phane - baby remember my name(was Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion.. [Ted ] new Capercaillie [Dirk Kastens ] Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion... [fred ] RE: phane - baby remember my name ["Shelly DeForte" ] Re: new Capercaillie ["phclark" ] Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion... [Steve VanDevender] Re: Pamela Means/Erica Ballinger [eperkins@surfbest.net] Re: new Capercaillie [Bill Adler ] CD-RW questions [Neal Copperman ] NYC: Makor [carnivore@bigfoot.com (DanStark)] RE: Makor ["Chris Montville" ] dar williams, sarah harmer etc. [meredith ] Re: NYC: Makor [meredith ] Re: Longest note held by a male pop/rock singer? [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob ] Re: equation [Billi Mazur ] Re: CD-RW questions [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:08:44 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: equation Thanks Neile! Neile Graham wrote: > Bill Mazur asked: > > >Neile and my fellow Ectophiles, > > > >I had a brief glimpse of Kate Rusby's voice recently when Billi and I were in > >Europe. She was featured on a documetary program on what I believe was the > >European subsidiary of CNN. The program was called World Beat (I believe). > >They > >also featured another artist from the new English folk scene, Eliza Carthy (I > >think that's her correct name. Any relation to Martin Carthy?). I liked what > >little I heard of both women. Can you recommend a good starting point for > >both of > >them. Please give me some specifics. BTW, I have meant to ask this for > >awhile and > >am just now getting around to it. The post reminded me. Thanks in advance! > > For Kate Rusby either of her solo discs are good, _Hourglass_ or > _Sleepless_. There doesn't seem to be much qualitative difference between > them. If you like her, you might also like Niamh Parsons. > > Eliza Carthy (daughter of Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson and the three of > them record together as Waterson:Carthy) seems to get better with every > release, so I'd recommend her most recent double album, _Red Rice_. It has > one more traditional disc, and one that has neo-traditional songs with > contemporary influences. Wonderful! > > --Neile > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net > Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines > The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:28:48 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: was equation now Eliza Carthy Thanks Valerie and Michael on the Eliza Carthy feedback! Valerie Richardson wrote: > > I had a brief glimpse of Kate Rusby's voice recently when Billi and I were in > > Europe. She was featured on a documetary program on what I believe was the > > European subsidiary of CNN. The program was called World Beat (I believe). They > > also featured another artist from the new English folk scene, Eliza Carthy (I > > think that's her correct name. Any relation to Martin Carthy?). I liked what > > little I heard of both women. Can you recommend a good starting point for both of > > them. Please give me some specifics. BTW, I have meant to ask this for awhile and > > am just now getting around to it. The post reminded me. Thanks in advance! > > > > Regarding Eliza: Yes, Eliza is the child of Martin Carthy and Norma > Waterson. She's an incredibly energetic young woman, and she follows her > parent's devotion to traditional music while also recording her own > original and sometimes experimental works. She's a fiddle fiend and > given to coloring her hair bright shades of fushia and wearing combat > boots. I understand that she's also an explorer scout leader. > > A good starting place for her recorded music is a two-CD set called _Red > Rice_ with one CD of traditional music and one of original recordings. > She also has recorded several CDs with her parents and with fellow > fiddler Nancy Kerr. > > --Valerie Richardson > > np: Recording of Bill Bryson's _In a Sunburned Country_ from > audible.com. I seem to have quit listening to music for the time being, > and I'm only listening to books on tape. I hope I start listening to > music again soon. This is disturbing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:30:31 -0400 From: Ted Subject: phane - baby remember my name(was Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion.. glenn mcdonald wrote: > > So it's loud, guys singing, but its still kinda Ecto. > > How so? Well I guess this is a good time to plug my current Hard Core Industrial project, phane. phane is very ecto, well, ok not really. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/26/phane.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:54:43 -0400 From: Ted Subject: addendum to that phane thing. I wrote: > phane is very ecto, well, ok not really. OTOH I can quote much of "Monty Pyhon and the Holy Grail" ver batum. That should count for something. - -ted - -- phane = industrial hard - core dance music you have been warned http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/26/phane.html nee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:19:58 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: new Capercaillie Hi, I just got the new Capercaillie CD Nadurra and I'm a bit disappointed. There's not a single outstanding song. It's a good folk-pop album but not a must-have if you own other Capercaillie albums. Dirk http://www.dkastens.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:08:47 -0500 From: fred Subject: Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion... glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > So it's loud, guys singing, but its still kinda Ecto. > > How so? Did I say loud? Kinda loud. Some really fun vocal harmonies. Very inteligent pop music. Out from left field. The quiet, folk-pop Grey Eye Glances / Coors faction aren't really going to be into us. The acoustic Happy Rhodes folks aren't going to be into us. The MWABT produced Happy Rhodes / Katefans who favor The Dreaming should enjoy at least a couple songs off the forthcoming CD (If any of you are curious, I'll send you a copy when its done(gratis)). Further along the spectrum I expect to pick up more fans. At the risk of sounding defensive, if there's room on the list for Al Gore and Madonna, and room in the concept of Ecto for Madonna and Sleater-Kinney (Who visited Chicago last week. Amazing show as almost always (barring the time when the pin for the guitar strap kept falling out so Corin couldn't get a good hold on her guitar)), then there's room for the Detholz, who are making some damn fine music. And if you aren't into guys singing, at least check out a band we play with a lot, Apartment, on mp3.com or in Chicago if you notice them playing. Not totally my cuppa tea, but interesting, with urban-poetic lyrics, and twisty, sometimes Piazola tango inspired rhythms. James _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Re: equation On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Billi Mazur wrote: > Neile Graham wrote: > > > If you like her, you might also like Niamh Parsons. Niamh's _Tinkerman's Daughter_ (from the _Loosely Connected_ album) is an awe-inspiring song. I was negotiating the switchbacks on that lovely drive between Half-Moon-Bay and San Mateo (in the San Francisco Bay Area) when that song came on the radio, and Niamh's voice, the piano behind it, and the scenery on the windshield all reacted together to form an unforgetable experience; I just had to have that song! So I stopped at the Tower Records in San Mateo (at the bottom of the drive) and purchased the CD! The rest of the album may or may not inspire everyone out there, but _Tinkerman's Daughter_ is something worth a listening or two... while driving down highway 92 if you can manage it. :) - - Bill G. (writing from the road in Boston) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:40:40 -0700 From: "Shelly DeForte" Subject: RE: phane - baby remember my name Well I've always thought that HRs music fits very nicely within the goth spectrum. And round here goth and industrial are married (in the clubs at least), so I think your project sounds pretty darn ecto (and pretty darn cool too!!). Shelly > glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > > So it's loud, guys singing, but its still kinda Ecto. > > > > How so? > > Well I guess this is a good time to plug my current Hard Core > Industrial project, phane. > phane is very ecto, well, ok not really. > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/26/phane.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:01:53 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: phane - baby remember my name Why thank you Shelly! (I would've loved to do a HCI tune with Happy some time, I always thought a little pepper in her mix would would be cool. Some day maybe!) Shelly DeForte wrote: > Well I've always thought that HRs music fits very nicely within the goth > spectrum. And round here goth and industrial are married (in the clubs at > least), so I think your project sounds pretty darn ecto (and pretty darn > cool too!!). > > Shelly > > > glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > > > > So it's loud, guys singing, but its still kinda Ecto. > > > > > > How so? > > > > Well I guess this is a good time to plug my current Hard Core > > Industrial project, phane. > > phane is very ecto, well, ok not really. > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/26/phane.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:19:29 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: new Capercaillie Argh. I guess to some extent anything that can get them back in the studio. I'd miss Karen's voice if they quit. (Anyone heard her solo effort?) I, too, have been less than star struck by their last two, but hope springs eternal. I'll probably buy it anyway. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Kastens" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:19 AM Subject: new Capercaillie > Hi, > > I just got the new Capercaillie CD Nadurra and > I'm a bit disappointed. There's not a single > outstanding song. It's a good folk-pop album > but not a must-have if you own other > Capercaillie albums. > > > Dirk > http://www.dkastens.de > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:21:54 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Are You Prepared? More Shameless Self Promotion... fred writes: > glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > > > So it's loud, guys singing, but its still kinda Ecto. > > > > How so? > > Did I say loud? Kinda loud. Some really fun vocal harmonies. Very > inteligent pop music. Out from left field. > > The quiet, folk-pop Grey Eye Glances / Coors faction aren't really going > to be into us. The acoustic Happy Rhodes folks aren't going to be into > us. The MWABT produced Happy Rhodes / Katefans who favor The Dreaming > should enjoy at least a couple songs off the forthcoming CD (If any of > you are curious, I'll send you a copy when its done(gratis)). Further > along the spectrum I expect to pick up more fans. Although Ectophiles might very well enjoy your band, from what you've described of it I doubt few people would really describe it as doing ectophilic music. Of course, if pressed, I'd end up having to say "I can't tell you exactly what ectophilic music is, but I know it when I hear it." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 9:54:30 PST From: eperkins@surfbest.net Subject: Re: Pamela Means/Erica Ballinger Well, I saw Pamela Means last night at Hotel Utah in SF, and...wow! Thanks to those who recommended her. I admit I was disappointed during her first song that I didn't like her as much as I'd thought I would, but then partway into the second song she took off with some fierce guitar playing and hooked me. I kept looking at her guitar and wondering how she was producing those sounds out of that instrument, and where the band was she seemed to have hidden somewhere behind a curtain or something. She definitely won at least one new fan, and I may try to catch her again while she's in the area. Part of the reason I went to the show last night was that I vaguely remembered hearing positive things about Erica Ballinger, one of the two opening acts. She was quite a find, too. Most of my thoughts on her got washed away once Pamela Means started, but I'm definitely planning to pick up her album at some point. Her voice is perfectly suited to the bluesy, jazzy folk-rock she does--particularly her great low register. And her guitar playing isn't too shabby, either...she does have a tendency to use the technique of hitting the strings a little too much for me...I think she uses it effectively, but I just found it grating after a while. But I think that's me, not her. And maybe I was just tired. The first opening act was Pamela Swain, and while most of her songs didn't stand out for me especially--too mellow for my tastes--there were a couple of darker songs I really liked. On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Drew Harrington wrote: > Emily asked: > > > I know Pamela Means has been mentioned here before > > but don't remember what was said, though I think > > it was good. Can anyone tell me what she's like > > live (or on CD, for that matter)? I'm trying to > > decide if I should go see her this week. > > Should you go see Pamela Means? Should you breath? > Should you eat? Should you Love? The answers are of > course, yes, yes, yes, and yes, respectively, and in > that order of importance.... yes I exaggerate a > little. > > John Miller has recommended Pamela for so long and > with such urgency that when she came to the bay area I > had no choice but to go see her. THE most dynamic > woman w/guitar I've seen in a long time (a quote I > recently read, but can't recall where - probably on > John's web site). > > "The most dynamic" is not hyperbole - I measured it > objectively - it's true. Emotionally charged > ocassionally political lyrics, vocals ranging from > muttered whispers to volumous screams, guitar > delicately picked to thunderously strummed. Obvious > comparisons will come to mind. > > Yes, do yourself a favor and catch any of her shows. > If you are in the bay area, the best show to catch > will be the Rose Street show. THE venue to see her. > Small, quiet, respectful. People are still talking > about her last show there a year and a half ago. > > (IMHO) > > Drew > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ - --------------------------------------------------------- This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:13:47 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: new Capercaillie I'm waiting for the new Capercaillie CD to arrive.... I have Karen Matheson's solo CD, The Dreaming Sea. It has some wonderful songs on it, including "There's Always Sunday" and "The Dreaming Sea," but it's not as good, IMHO, as some of the regular Capercaillie CDs. The Dreaming Sea is about 1/3 in Gaelic. Still, Karen Mathenson's voice is so dreamy, so exquisite, that The Dreaming Sea is worth getting. - --Bill n.p. Kirsy MacColl, Electric Landlady At 10:19 AM 9/21/00 -0700, you wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Argh. I guess to some extent anything that can get them back in the studio. I'd miss Karen's voice if they quit. (Anyone heard her solo effort?) I, too, have been less than star struck by their last two, but hope springs eternal. I'll probably buy it anyway. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Kastens" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:19 AM Subject: new Capercaillie > Hi, > > I just got the new Capercaillie CD Nadurra and > I'm a bit disappointed. There's not a single > outstanding song. It's a good folk-pop album > but not a must-have if you own other > Capercaillie albums. > > > Dirk > http://www.dkastens.de > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:33:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: CD-RW questions I'm about to replace my computer and figured it's time to take the CD-R plunge. Does anyone have any feedback on features that are particularly noteworthy (or avoidable!), or thoughts on specific brands/models. Not sure it's relevant, but I'll be on a Mac. (New G4!) Also interested in a cheap printer. obEcto: First solo album by Sara Lee is out on Righteous Babe. Anyone heard it? neal np: ramblin' - Lucinda Williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:15:34 +0000 From: carnivore@bigfoot.com (DanStark) Subject: NYC: Makor For those in the NYC area, it looks like Makor on W 67th St. is a venue worth watching. Forthcoming shows include Ben Lee, Patti Rothberg, Nora York, Nields, Push Stars, and a CMJ Righteous Babe Records showcase which also includes Kurt Swinghammer and the awesome Kinnie Starr. Maybe I've just missed it before now, but this week marks the first time I've seen this venue advertise in the Village Voice. The website is at www.makor.com. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:44:37 -0400 From: "Chris Montville" Subject: RE: Makor > For those in the NYC area, it looks like Makor on W 67th > St. is a venue worth watching. Forthcoming shows > include Ben Lee, Patti Rothberg, Nora York, Nields, Push > Stars, and a CMJ Righteous Babe Records showcase which > also includes Kurt Swinghammer and the awesome Kinnie > Starr. > > Maybe I've just missed it before now, but this week > marks the first time I've seen this venue advertise in > the Village Voice. The website is at www.makor.com. > You haven't missed them much... I think it only opened last year. Its is a new and extremely well-funded young jewish community house located about a block from central park. The performance space is relatively small (tables with a bar in the back), and very nice. The first time I was there there were some sound difficulties, but its was fine the two times I was there since. Definitely worth checking out! Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:00:12 -0400 From: meredith Subject: dar williams, sarah harmer etc. Hi! Tuesday night Dar Williams came to Toad's Place, a rather unexpected venue here in town. However, as expected the place was packed, and Dar and her band ROCKED. Catie Curtis opened. I'd seen her do a set at Falcon Ridge a couple summers ago, but that was that. She was a good opener. I don't really want to see her do a full set, but I enjoyed what she did. She was accompanied on mandolin by Jimmy Ryan, who I later learned used to be part of Blood Oranges. Dar had the same band she had at Falcon Ridge this year: a guitar player who was mercifully NOT named Billy Masters, drummer, keyboard player, and the incredibly cool GAIL ANN DORSEY on bass. I think they're still getting used to each other, and Dorsey had to refer to sheet music on some songs, but it all came together and they sounded great. Dar was in particularly good voice, too -- she's been sounding better with each passing year anyway, but that night she was really hitting all the notes. In between songs there was the rather silly banter we've come to expect - a bit too much exposition on the songs, and a few things she said got me to thinking that maybe the big tour bus has gone to her head a bit, but in the end she was just as cute and funny as ever. She played almost everything from _The Green World_, with the notable exception of "Playing To The Firmament" - I would have liked to have heard that one live. But she did do "And A God Descended" (preceded by a very funny tangent about the Wesleyan Religion department, which actually went over pretty well since Toad's was filled with about as many Wesleyan students as Yalies), and "Spring Street", which IMO is the best song on the album, was correspondingly the most kicking song of the main set. Halfway through she did a few solo guitar songs, and I was starting to worry that once again we wouldn't be able to escape without hearing that goddamned Babysitter song again, but the gods were smiling and instead we got a great rendition of "When I Was A Boy" (which will always slay me). The crowd was going insane by the time she ended the main set with "Another Mystery". For the encore she did "Iowa" and "As Cool As I Am" with the entire crowd singing along with every word (which could have been unspeakably annoying, but was instead very cool). Nobody was going to let her go anywhere after that, so she came back solo and did "The Christians And The Pagans", in response to the several requests she'd gotten throughout the evening. Dar left the stage about as happy as her fans - she even said "this was the best show so far, thanks!" as she left the stage. I get the feeling this is the band and the tour Dar has been waiting for, supporting the album she's always wanted to make. Sure, she's celebrated as one of the premier songwriters of the neo-folk generation, but at heart she's a pop star. (I've known that ever since I saw her do her best Susan Dey impersonation at her first ever band shows at the Iron Horse.) She was clearly having a lot of fun up there. (Chuck Colman - sorry we didn't find you! I knew several people who were going to be there, and only managed to run into one of them because it was so packed. I'm sure we'll find ourselves going to the same show again sometime soon. :) Last night, instead of flying to Illinois for business, I found myself able to accompany woj down to NYC to see Sarah Harmer open for Church of Betty at The Bottom Line. (Yay, last-minute plan changes!) We arrived just as Sarah was in the middle of her first song ("Hideout"). She had her band with her (former drummer from Crash Vegas, and Kevin Fox (of Sarah Slean fame)on bass and cello). It was a good set, though it felt like she was rushing through it to squeeze as many songs as she could in to the 30 minutes she was given. The songs were all played just a tad faster than on the CD, and there was no time between them at all -- stop, say "thanks", quick adjust the tuning, then jump into the next one. Still, though, it was great to see her play again. She did "Weakened State", which was great, and closed out with the always stunning "Lodestar". Interestingly, Rita Houston (of WFUV) showed up halfway through and seemed to be really getting into it. I'm not sure if the people she was with were Rounder Records people or not. Church of Betty were very, very cool. woj is more qualified to talk about them than I am, but I'll just say that India-rock (by way of the Lower East Side) is *very* cool, particularly when accompanied by a bevy of belly dancers. :) The 5-minute tabla solo was also, in a word, awesome. Right now woj is experiencing Kristeen Young. One more night out this week would have killed me, so I'll see her next Thursday. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:15:18 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: NYC: Makor Hi! Dan reported: >For those in the NYC area, it looks like Makor on W 67th >St. is a venue worth watching. Forthcoming shows >include Ben Lee, Patti Rothberg, Nora York, Nields, Push >Stars, and a CMJ Righteous Babe Records showcase which >also includes Kurt Swinghammer and the awesome Kinnie >Starr. Whoa -- Kinnie Starr is on Righteous Babe?! Where did I miss that?? I haven't had a chance to check out Makor for myself yet, but I have heard good things about it. You certainly have to like the shows they're getting in there. (I believe Rachael Sage has played there too.) In addition to the artists you mentioned, Susan Werner will be there on November 16. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:08:01 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: Longest note held by a male pop/rock singer? And so once again, the day is saved by...the Powerpuff Girls! and Mike Connell, who writes: > Although my middle-aged brain cannot recall any pop/rock male singer doing > anything close to that (an 11 second hold, right after an 8 second one or > not), I am sure there has to be some song or recorded live performance out > there that fits the bill. > > So I am throwing this thread question out to you all. Name a MALE > performance that astonished you with a note he held, and if you have a > recording of it, how long does he hold it? (Pop or rock only, as I am sure > there's more than a few in the opera genre). Well, I'd say he's more in the folk than pop vein, but Vance Gilbert can belt out and hold a note for quite some time (at a volume that doesn't need amplification in anything smaller than an amphitheatre ;) ) without breaking a sweat. I'll have to take a timer to his discs and find the longest, but a quick check of his last show here reveals a couple in the 12-13 second range. For the sake of argument, I'm not counting the note he "holds" for just over 2 minutes using a circular breathing technique. ;) bob np. Godspeed You Black Emperor! - "Slow Riot For New Zero Kanada" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:27:13 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: equation Thanks Bill! I hope that all is going well with you on the road. I will need to check out Nianh. I will have to also take your advise about listening to "Tinkerman's Daughter" while driving on Highway 92 going toward Half Moon Bay. It is one of my favorite drives in the greater Bay Area. It is a very beautiful stretch of road. I used to make that drive from the East Bay across the San Mateo bridge to Half Moon Bay three times a week in 1984. That was the year that I first met Katheleen and we began working together. She was living in HMB at the time and we starting writing material together. We then assembled a band which began rehearsing in HMB as well. It was a long drive (an hour from where I lived) but I still loved it. I especially love the stretch of road after you cross Skyline (at the summit) and head down into the valley before you get into HMB. The only time this drive is impossible is during the Pumpkin festival before Halloween (tons of pumpkins are grown on farms in that valley each year). During that time of year the traffic is backed up for about ten miles and takes three times as long as normal to make the drive. Sometimes on a hot summer day it gets congested when people are trying to head to the ocean beaches south of HMB (San Gregorio, Pescadero). I have many fond memories of listening to some of my favorite music on those drives to Katheleen's home. She still misses living by the beach and wants to have a home by the ocean again someday. All the best! Bill M. (writing under Billi's name again) n.p. Tori Amos _To Venus and Back_ (The live CD. I haven't listened to this one in awhile. Love the live version of "Space Dog".) Bill wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Billi Mazur wrote: > > > Neile Graham wrote: > > > > > If you like her, you might also like Niamh Parsons. > > Niamh's _Tinkerman's Daughter_ (from the _Loosely Connected_ album) is an > awe-inspiring song. I was negotiating the switchbacks on that lovely > drive between Half-Moon-Bay and San Mateo (in the San Francisco Bay Area) > when that song came on the radio, and Niamh's voice, the piano behind it, > and the scenery on the windshield all reacted together to form an > unforgetable experience; I just had to have that song! So I stopped at > the Tower Records in San Mateo (at the bottom of the drive) and purchased > the CD! The rest of the album may or may not inspire everyone out there, > but _Tinkerman's Daughter_ is something worth a listening or two... while > driving down highway 92 if you can manage it. :) > > - Bill G. (writing from the road in Boston) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:35:48 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: CD-RW questions 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe when Neal Copperman wrote: > I'm about to replace my computer and figured it's time to take the CD-R > plunge. Does anyone have any feedback on features that are particularly > noteworthy (or avoidable!), or thoughts on specific brands/models. > > Not sure it's relevant, but I'll be on a Mac. (New G4!) Hmmm. Looks like the new macs have shifted away from SCSI to firewire/USB. I can wholeheartedly recommend Plextor's SCSI line, but it appears they don't have a firewire/USB line as yet. 8( So I guess the only thing I can offer is that I'd suggest you seriously evaluate your need for the "W" portion of the subject line. While many newer (1-2 year old) CD players can handle the re-recordable discs, there's a huge base of players that can't. By contrast, most CD players manufactured in the last decade (and many before that) can handle most CD-R (write once) discs without trouble. Consider that there is still a premium in the price of the drive for re-writable capability and a premium in the price of re- writable media and that record-once discs are at a price that makes them nearly disposable. ;) bob np. PBS - "'allo 'allo" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #280 **************************