From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #278 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 20 2000 Volume 06 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tap into the Director's cut [Phil Hudson ] Sarah Harmer news and tour dates [Michael Curry ] Fwd: Emily Bezar news - benefit concert [Michael Curry ] Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) [Joseph Zitt ] Comments [Chuck Davis ] Pamela Means [Drew Harrington ] Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) [Michael Curry ] Re: Nadar (was Gore) [Mark Miazga ] Re: equation [Michael Curry ] Re: Nader (was Gore) [Michael Curry ] Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) [RavFlight@aol.com] Re: ok, my 2 cents [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: equation and the corrs: two negative ends of a magnet [RedWoodenBeads] Re: equation and the corrs: two negative ends of a magnet [Neile Graham <] Re: Carrie Newcomer [neal copperman ] Re: madonna (no madonna content) [neal copperman ] Re: ok, my 2 cents [Joseph Zitt ] Re: ok, my 2 cents [american damon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:47:11 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: tap into the Director's cut A friend recently told me about a five-hour version of Tap, with scenes including Jamie Lee Curtis, who never appeared in the final cut. The scenes apparently were thought to be too drug-referenced for inclusion in the film. Said friend found it online for about $60.00. phil " Hey, I just want to say that Spinal Tap is one of my all time favorite things ever. Every year a bunch of my friends and myself all gather for a ceremonial viewing of the film and have a great time, every time... that's my philosophy marty...." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:50:26 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Sarah Harmer news and tour dates Sarah Harmer info, for those interested. And yes, I do plan on trekking up to Boston for the show on Thursday.... >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:01:04 -0500 >To: wtile@ican.net >From: wtile@ican.net (wtile@ican.net) >Subject: Sarah Harmer update > >Greetings one and all, > >It has been a busy summer and early fall here at Camp Harmer. >Based on the shows we are announcing, it appears the good times >are going to just keep on rollin'. > >Sarah's new record (or not so new to those in the know), "You >Were Here", has been released in America and Canada in the last >couple of weeks. So far the response has been great. Sales >have been as far and wide as St.John's, Nfld to Hawaii. > >Radio response has been great too. Listen for "Basement Apt.", >the first single. If your local station is playing it, please >don't be shy to call and voice your approval. If they are not >playing the song, please feel free and voice your disapproval. > >Watch for the video, airing on MuchMusic, MuchMoreMusic and CMT. >Stay tuned to MTV and VH-1 for its debut soon. > >Props to everyone who has been buying the record, coming to the >shows, supporting their local radio stations and those who have >been kind enough to write to Sarah. Keep up the support. > >Remember to visit www.sarahharmer.com for all the latest Sarah >info., including show and merchandise info, as well as Sarah's >Scrawl. > >Here's the latest Sarah Harmer tour schedule. More dates, >State-side as well as Canadian will be announced soon. > >Hopefully see y'all at the shows! > >Sept.19 Pittsburgh, Pa. - Rosebud - Planet Girl Series - w/ Equation > tickets $5.00 - Doors @ 7:30pm > call (412) 261-2232 for more details >Sept.20 New York City - The Bottom Line - w/ Church of Betty > two shows @ 7:30pm & 10:30pm call (212)228-8300 for details >Sept.21 Boston, Mass - T.T. the Bear's - w/ Meghan Toohey - tix $7.00 > Doors 8:30, Sarah's set @ 10:10 - call the club for more details >Sept.22 Boston, Mass. - Tower Records Instore @ 6:00pm >Sept.23 Burlington, Vt. - Club Metronome - tickets $3 - > Doors @ 6:00pm - Sarah @ 8:00pm - more info (802)865-4563 >Sept.27 San Francisco, Ca. - Slim's - open for Ron Sexsmith, also > w/Peter Stuart > tickets $12 to $15 - Sarah @ 8:15pm - more info (415)255-0333 >Sept.29 Portland, Or. - Aladdin Theater - open for Billy Bragg - > tickets $25 adv, $27 door - Sarah @ 8:00pm >Sept.30 Seattle, Wa. - Moore Theater - open for Billy Bragg - > tickets $15 to $25 - Sarah @ 8:00pm >Oct. 1 Vancouver, B.C. - Vogue Theatre - open for Billy Bragg > tickets $29.50 - Sarah @ 8:00pm >Oct. 6 Minneapolis, Minn. - First Avenue - open for Billy Bragg > tickets $12 adv, $15 door - doors @ 7:00pm - set time TBA >Oct. 7 Chicago, Ill. - Park West - open for Billy Bragg > tickets $23.50 - Doors 7:30pm - set time TBA >Oct. 8 River Falls, Wisc. - University of Wisconsin - tix/show info > TBA >Oct. 10 Madison, Wisc. - The Annex Theatre - open for Great Big Sea > tickets $8 adv, $10 door - Sarah @ 8:00pm - call (608)256-7750 > for info >Oct. 11 Milwaukee, Wisc. - The Rave - open for Great Big Sea - tix > $9.00 Doors @ 7:00pm - Sarah @ 8:00pm - call (414)352-7283 > for more info >Oct. 12 Chicago, Ill. - Tower Records Instore - details TBA >Oct. 12 Chacago, Ill. - Martyrs' - open for Great Big Sea - > tix $10 adv, $12 door - doors @ 8:00pm - Sarah @ 9:00pm >Oct. 13 Cleveland, Oh.- The Odeon - open for Great Big Sea - Tix > $10.50 Doors @ 8:00pm - Sarah @ 9:30pm >Oct. 14 Ann Arbour, Mich. - Michigan Theatre - open for Great Big Sea > Tix $15-25.00 - Doors/showtime TBA - for more info > (313)668-8397 >Oct. 20 Montreal. Que. - Petite Campus - w/ Mike O'Neill - tix $8 adv. >Oct. 21 Kingston, Ont. - Grant Hall - w/ Mike O'Neill - tix $ 10 adv. > licensed/all ages show >Oct. 23 Ottawa, Ont. - Barrymores - w/ Mike O'Neill - tix $ 12 adv - > 19+ show >Oct. 25 Guelph, Ont. - Chalmers United Church - w/ Josh Rouse - tix > $12 adv >Oct. 26 Toronto, Ont. - Trinity St. Paul's Church - w/ Josh Rouse - > tix $15 adv > *tickets onsale THURSDAY SEPT. 21 - call(416)870-8000 >Nov. 1 Winnipeg, Man. - West End Cultural Centre - w/ Josh Rouse - > tix $10 adv >Nov. 7 Vancouver, B.C. - Richard's on Richards - w/ Josh Rouse - > tix $10 adv >More to be announced soon, including more Canadian dates...stay tuned. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:52:22 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Fwd: Emily Bezar news - benefit concert For those fans of Emily who are on ecto, but not on dream gasoline (and who are lucky enough to live close to this gig and be able to attend)... >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sue Trowbridge >To: Dream Gasoline >Subject: Emily Bezar news - benefit concert > > >Mills College Office of Student Activities Presents: >An Evening with Singer/Songwriters Jessie Turner, Emily Bezar >& Jill Knight to benefit the American Cancer Society's breast >cancer programs. > >Friday, Oct. 6, 8 PM >Mills College Concert Hall >5000 MacArthur Blvd., Oakland, CA > >Tickets can be purchased via http://www.boxofficetickets.com or >call 800-494-TIXS. $12.50. > >Emily will be performing with Steve Gibson (guitar), Michael >DiPirro (bass), and Ricky Carter (drums). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:28:55 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:58:24PM -0400, Michael Curry wrote: > I firmly believe that a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader. :) > Or perhaps, as Alexander Cockburn put it, "In the end, Gore's > crowd has one basic argument: a vote for Nader is a vote for > Bush. No, it's not. A vote for Nader is a vote for revitalizing > the system and breaking the iron ceiling of the current one party > with two heads." [You can read the entire piece that quote is > taken from at http://www.commondreams.org/views/072000-104.htm ] In a perfect world, that might be true -- but that view absolutely depends on the idea that there would be no difference whatsoever in the result if either Bush or Gore would be elected. I think that almost everyone would agree that there would be at least some difference between the two, however small. And I very strongly doubt that the amount of people wavering between Nader and Bush is anywhere near the amount wavering between Nader and Gore. (I would be fascinated to see anything showing that this is not the case.) Thus, if everyone thinking of voting for Nader were to do so, it would take more votes away from Gore than from Bush, thus, in a very tight race, quite possibly handing the race to Bush. That's the simple mathematics of it. Given a choice between a) Gore being elected and b) at least four years of a Bush presidency with the questionable possibility that a supposedly better party might be able to put something useful together later, (and noting the less than sterling followup to the 1996 and 1980 attempts to do the same), I'm betting on option A. (Oh, and it would be a good thing if a candidate had at least a little experience in significant elective office -- the Presidency is not an entry-level position.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:29:48 -0400 From: Chuck Davis Subject: Comments Hello folks, I've been a subscriber for a month and a half or so and thought it was time to contribute something. I'm sort of a refugee from the Aimee Mann list, in that after four years, I dropped off last spring during an endless "Magnolia" thread. I had thought about trying here for a while as I am a Happy fan and have managed to acquire half of her albums (favorite "Warpaint"). My taste in music leans about 95% to female singer/songwriters and for a couple of years I've found the Ecto Guide to be a valuable resource, many thanks to the people who put the work into it. I've ordered a copy of Equations first album because of the comments but haven't received it yet. I hadn't heard of them before and the sound clips I've found were interesting. BTW, I don't care for the Corrs but do like Grey Eye Glances.......Hmmmmm Eliza Carthy. Yes, she is part of the well known Carthy musical clan. I have "Red Rice" a double cd that was one of my favorites in '98. She plays fiddle and is very traditional although the "Red" cd is a bit more experimental. A short "Sundays" thread a month ago was mentioning similar bands to help the addiction until the next album. I read recently that Harriet had another child and the next album is likely years away. Might I suggest (if no one else has) a band called the "Feathermerchants". They sound like the Sundays with a middle-eastern flair and the main lead vocalist, Alison Winston, sounds remarkably like Harriet Wheeler. I found the album at amazon.com. Another album I'd like to mention is "Light From a Distant Shore" by Hollie Smith. This was #1 on my top ten list last year. She won "Best Vocalist" at the National Jazz Festival in New Zealand. The album was produced by well known New Zealand Celtic artist Steve McDonald (who is also excellent), and has a strong Celtic flavor....highly recommended for those who like this style of music. Political discussions...............urgh.... For anyone interested, there's another used copy of "Many Worlds" at secondspin.com for $5.99. Search for "rhodes, happy" And the ubiquitous "NP": Sam Phillips "Martinis and Bikinis" C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Harrington Subject: Pamela Means Emily asked: > I know Pamela Means has been mentioned here before > but don't remember what was said, though I think > it was good. Can anyone tell me what she's like > live (or on CD, for that matter)? I'm trying to > decide if I should go see her this week. Should you go see Pamela Means? Should you breath? Should you eat? Should you Love? The answers are of course, yes, yes, yes, and yes, respectively, and in that order of importance.... yes I exaggerate a little. John Miller has recommended Pamela for so long and with such urgency that when she came to the bay area I had no choice but to go see her. THE most dynamic woman w/guitar I've seen in a long time (a quote I recently read, but can't recall where - probably on John's web site). "The most dynamic" is not hyperbole - I measured it objectively - it's true. Emotionally charged ocassionally political lyrics, vocals ranging from muttered whispers to volumous screams, guitar delicately picked to thunderously strummed. Obvious comparisons will come to mind. Yes, do yourself a favor and catch any of her shows. If you are in the bay area, the best show to catch will be the Rose Street show. THE venue to see her. Small, quiet, respectful. People are still talking about her last show there a year and a half ago. (IMHO) Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:00:24 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) At 09:28 PM 9/19/00 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: >In a perfect world, that might be true -- but that view absolutely >depends on the idea that there would be no difference whatsoever >in the result if either Bush or Gore would be elected. I think that >almost everyone would agree that there would be at least some >difference between the two, however small. I'm not disputing that. I am perhaps just tired of being stuck voting for that small difference, and tired of the Democrats being so sure of having the left that they start taking it for granted and drifting farther and farther right. >And I very strongly doubt that the amount of people wavering between >Nader and Bush is anywhere near the amount wavering between Nader and >Gore. (I would be fascinated to see anything showing that this is not >the case.) > >Thus, if everyone thinking of voting for Nader were to do so, it >would take more votes away from Gore than from Bush, thus, in a >very tight race, quite possibly handing the race to Bush. That's >the simple mathematics of it. > >Given a choice between a) Gore being elected and b) at least four >years of a Bush presidency with the questionable possibility that >a supposedly better party might be able to put something useful >together later, (and noting the less than sterling followup to the >1996 and 1980 attempts to do the same), I'm betting on option A. Well, first I should note the fact that, for me at least, this isn't really much of an actual risk. Even if Nader manages to get 5% of the vote here in the state of Connecticut, Gore is still going win our tiny allotment of electoral votes. So, maybe it's easier for me to make the choice I have than it would be for someone in a state with a decent amount of electoral votes where the race was really close. Having said that, I've more or less reached the point where I just don't want to have to vote defensively anymore. I want to vote for the candidate I agree with on the most issues, which in this case is Nader. If Al wanted my vote (and the vote of many other Nader supporters I guess), he could have earned it. It wouldn't even have required all that much effort on his part. Fine, maybe my vote for Nader isn't going to magically make the world a better place, and maybe Nader being in the race is going to make the difference between Gore winning and Bush winning. But frankly, I've reached a point with Presidential politics where if I can't vote my conscience I'm increasingly unlikely to bother voting for the President at all. I doubt I'm the only Nader (or Hagelin, or Buchannan) supporter who feels that way. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:53:11 -0400 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: Nadar (was Gore) Sorry, more political content... delete at will... I just came across an interesting site on Ralph Nadar. Some leftist folks may think Nadar a viable alternative to the centrist politics of Gore and Bush - but check out his views on some major social issues. http://www.now.org/issues/election/elections2000/nader.html Not only does he not pose a snowball's chance of winning, he doesn't even care ("not at all") if he provides the margin that allows Bush to beat Gore. I admit that I basically like Nadar - any friend of Michael Moore's is a friend of mine - but his views on abortion, as well as his ego, scare the heck out of me. - -- Mark Miazga miazgama@msu.edu http://go.to/MarkMiazga 157 Phillips Hall East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-4991 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Masters of Arts in Curriculum and Teaching Student Teacher, Eastern High School Assistant Hall Director, Snyder-Phillips Hall ********************************** I Support Al Gore for US President & Debbie Stabenow for US Senate! http://www.algore2000.com http://www.stabenow2000.net/ ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:02:56 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: equation At 08:57 AM 9/19/00 -0700, Neile Graham wrote: >For Kate Rusby either of her solo discs are good, _Hourglass_ or >_Sleepless_. There doesn't seem to be much qualitative difference >between them. If you like her, you might also like Niamh Parsons. Personally, I've found that I much prefer _Hourglass_ to _Sleepless_. The first seems to keep making it's way back into my CD player, while the second just doesn't arouse much interest in me at all. Not that it's a *bad* album by any means.... Michael np: Sarah Harmer -- You Were Here nr: A Deepness In The Sky by Vernor Vinge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:35:15 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Nader (was Gore) Politics, whee.... At 10:53 PM 9/19/00 -0400, Mark Miazga wrote: >Sorry, more political content... delete at will... > >I just came across an interesting site on Ralph Nadar. Some leftist >folks may think Nadar a viable alternative to the centrist politics of >Gore and Bush - but check out his views on some major social issues. >http://www.now.org/issues/election/elections2000/nader.html You'll notice that he isn't somehow Dubya here when it comes to his views on women's issues. He simply freely admitting that they aren't a focus of his, rather than pretending that they are simply in order to appeal to women voters. I especially like their swipe at him for having money, as though Al is living in a tin shack somewhere. Note they don't mention the amount of money he's donated to various causes over the years. >Not only does he not pose a snowball's chance of winning, he >doesn't even care ("not at all") if he provides the margin that >allows Bush to beat Gore. Correct, because he doesn't believe there is an appreciable difference in what will happen if one is elected instead of the other. >I admit that I basically like Nadar - any friend of Michael Moore's >is a friend of mine - but his views on abortion, as well as his ego, >scare the heck out of me. Well, I hardly think his ego is much larger than either Al's or George's. And the two of them vying for corporate sponsorship is much scarier to me than Nader being ill-informed (*not* in any way pro-life) about the state of abortion rights in the US today. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:49:35 EDT From: RavFlight@aol.com Subject: Re: Nader (was Re: Al Gore) I know that people are probably getting a little bit tired of the political discussion- though I do think it is important with only a month and a half to get some of these issues out in the air.. but there is a little something that keeps coming back that I want to respond to..and it's something that Michael Moore spoke about as well. We keep saying that Nader is taking votes away from Gore. The thing is..there are more than 50% of americans that don't vote. If people want to vote for Gore, then they will vote for Gore. Gore is a Moderate Liberal, bordering on a centrist. Nader is a pure-blood liberal. Personally, I never intended to vote for Gore. If Nader wasn't there, I'd vote for another 3rd party candidate. And since he's only pulling about 4 to 5 percent of the vote, why is it so hard to believe that many, if not most, of those votes are coming from people who were tired of the political scene, and would not have voted for all, if it weren't for their Vote for Nader. Bi-Partisan..Tri-partisan..Multi-Partisan.. I don't know what the best choice is..but at this point, when less than majority is voting, something has to be done. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:09:50 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ok, my 2 cents In a message dated 9/19/00 3:50:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << "A self-obsessed sewer" - RedWoodenBeads's thought upon first seeing his mother (by precisely the same line of reasoning) >> Look, I really have no desire to engage in slash and run altercation this evening, and so I'm just going to state my opinions on this 2000 election and leave my contributions to the discussion at that. The reason I used the "anti-candle" signature in the first place was because someone else had an anti-Bush signature and so I felt compelled to voice my thoughts. At any rate, here is my perspective. I haven't lived through much politics. The only real presidential administration I've ever known has been this one. I have learned, through independant study, that under Reagan, taxes were lowered and buisnesses were able to flourish and our national security was never more assured. I have also discovered that under Jimmy Carter, the country experienced dreadfull inflation which hurt the economy. But as I said, the only president I have really lived through has been Bill Clinton. He came into office when I was 8 or something, I really don't remember much about it. But as I've grown more aware of politics, I have watched this man appear on television day after day for months and tell the entire world he never had sexual relations with monica lewinsky, when everyone on the planet knows he did. I've watched him turn the united states armed forces into the albanian air-force in a civil war over kosovo which has lasted generations, simply to draw attention away from his personal problems. (by the way, now the tables are turned and albanians are killing and i don't see much protest coming from president clinton now). I watched his attorney general wrip a little immigrant, who's mother died to bring him to america, out of his extended family's home and send him back to a dictatorship. I've watched taxes increase and I've watched my fellow americans develop a sense of apathy about our president. I've watched the public schools i've attended (and i've heard about the ones i havent) turn into places of ignorance, violence and drug use. Really I am just a bit sick of it all, and I would like to see a change. To me, Al Gore just represents the same old thing. Bush is something different from a different side of the table. Sure he's not perfect, but he's a good guy who seems to be more concerned with America than his own legacy. He's displayed a good track record in Texas, where test scores are now higher than in any part of the country. Personally I am ready for something different in the white house. So I say, let's have a change. Bring on Bush. And so, that's all I have so say really. I never expected to be talking politics on this list, I more expected to get somes tips about good bands. Anyways, take care everyone, and good night. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:25:24 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: equation and the corrs: two negative ends of a magnet In a message dated 9/18/00 11:05:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << >Just wanted to say that this is definitely a Your Mileage May Vary group, >as I got a copy of their first album from a friend and found it so bland as >to be unplayable. It reminded me of two other groups I dislike: The Corrs >and Grey Eye Glances. So for those of you who like those latter two groups >you might want to check them out, but for those like me who find this is >the kind of thing that makes them race to the "stop" button on their disc >players, well, it's a must to avoid. >> I just want to point something out. Whether you like them or not, Equation simply CANNOT be grouped in the same category as The Corrs. The Corrs are a sibling group who happened to be at the right talent show at the right time. Equation is made up of experienced folk musicians, many of whom began working as children. Sean and Seth Lakeman have been playing folk music since they were six, Kathryn Roberts was awarded the coveted "Young Tradition Award" while she was still in school. Iain Goodall and Darren Edwards were both well-paid studio musicians prior to their careers in Equation. They're a diverse and knowledgable crew, and aside from the fact that both parties originate in Europe The Corrs are a far cry from Equation. I don't know a lot about Grey Eye Glances, but they sure as heck don't sound like The Corrs, or at least i don't hear it. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:11:37 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: equation and the corrs: two negative ends of a magnet At 12:25 AM -0400 9/20/00, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/18/00 11:05:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > ><< >Just wanted to say that this is definitely a Your Mileage May Vary group, > >as I got a copy of their first album from a friend and found it so bland as > >to be unplayable. It reminded me of two other groups I dislike: The Corrs > >and Grey Eye Glances. So for those of you who like those latter two groups > >you might want to check them out, but for those like me who find this is > >the kind of thing that makes them race to the "stop" button on their disc > >players, well, it's a must to avoid. >> > >I just want to point something out. Whether you like them or not, Equation >simply CANNOT be grouped in the same category as The Corrs. The Corrs are a >sibling group who happened to be at the right talent show at the right time. >Equation is made up of experienced folk musicians, many of whom began working >as children. Sean and Seth Lakeman have been playing folk music since they >were six, Kathryn Roberts was awarded the coveted "Young Tradition Award" >while she was still in school. Iain Goodall and Darren Edwards were both >well-paid studio musicians prior to their careers in Equation. They're a >diverse and knowledgable crew, and aside from the fact that both parties >originate in Europe The Corrs are a far cry from Equation. For me the similarity is not in the details: it's on the overall feel of the music. I find The Corrs, Grey Eye Glances, and Equation all fall under a sound umbrella for me of smooth, pretty folk-based pop music that does little for me. It has nothing to do with how talented the musicians are; it has to do with the overall sound they put out in this incarnation. - --Neile n.p. Virginia Astley, _Promise Nothing_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:11:06 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Carrie Newcomer I was slow to respond to this cause I was traveling and couldn't get the details right until I got home... At 2:19 AM -0400 9/6/00, Chikaskia@aol.com wrote: > i was very intrigued that her poster had a glowing recommendation from >barbara kingsolver; (one of my favorite writers and whose younger sister, ann >elizabeth, i dated briefly many years ago and still have a place for in my >heart.) barbara is such a gifted 'vocalist' in her own right, i feel miss >newcomer may well be worth checking out! On Carrie's 1998 album, One True Name, she has a song entitled Moon Over Tucson inspired by Kingsolver's writing. It's as good a place to be introduced to Carrie as any, and maybe better if you are a big Kingsolver fan. neal np: Silver Apples ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:14:46 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: madonna (no madonna content) At 11:47 AM -0400 9/9/00, dmw wrote: >np amy correia "transportation songs" What do you think of this? I heard one pass through while staying at the House 'o' Muzak and really enjoyed it. neal np: Silver Apples ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:43:27 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: ok, my 2 cents On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:09:50AM -0400, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > I haven't lived through much politics. The only real presidential > administration I've ever known has been this one. I have learned, through > independant study, that under Reagan, taxes were lowered and buisnesses were > able to flourish and our national security was never more assured. I have > also discovered that under Jimmy Carter, the country experienced dreadfull > inflation which hurt the economy. Reagan was good for (some) business. And if you believe that business is more important than people, I guess that's all that matters. I haven't been able to achieve such an exalted level of cynicism, I guess. BTW, did you notice the Presidency *between* Reagan and Clinton? > But as I said, the only president I have really lived through has been Bill > Clinton. He came into office when I was 8 or something, I really don't > remember much about it. But as I've grown more aware of politics, I have > watched this man appear on television day after day for months and tell the > entire world he never had sexual relations with monica lewinsky, when > everyone on the planet knows he did. I've watched him turn the united states > armed forces into the albanian air-force in a civil war over kosovo which has > lasted generations, simply to draw attention away from his personal problems. > (by the way, now the tables are turned and albanians are killing and i don't > see much protest coming from president clinton now). I watched his attorney > general wrip a little immigrant, who's mother died to bring him to america, > out of his extended family's home and send him back to a dictatorship. I've > watched taxes increase and I've watched my fellow americans develop a sense > of apathy about our president. I've watched the public schools i've attended > (and i've heard about the ones i havent) turn into places of ignorance, > violence and drug use. Which does, I suppose, show that some people are willing to swallow as truth every bit of sensationalism they see on headline news, and think they've "watched" reality in the process. > Really I am just a bit sick of it all, and I would like to see a change. To > me, Al Gore just represents the same old thing. Bush is something different > from a different side of the table. Sure he's not perfect, but he's a good > guy who seems to be more concerned with America than his own legacy. He's > displayed a good track record in Texas, where test scores are now higher than > in any part of the country. Personally I am ready for something different in > the white house. So I say, let's have a change. Bring on Bush. Only a perspective that goes back less than 8 years could see Bush as a change. As Santayana said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." BTW, what test scores are supposedly so good in Texas? Have you noticed any of the other data from there? (Having lived in Texas for most of the '90s, I can't blame him for all that's wrong there -- but I certainly can't credit him with much that's right, or seen any positive difference that he's made.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:44:17 -0400 From: american damon Subject: Re: ok, my 2 cents RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/19/00 3:50:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: > > << "A self-obsessed sewer" > - RedWoodenBeads's thought upon first seeing his mother > (by precisely the same line of reasoning) >> > > I haven't lived through much politics. The only real presidential > administration I've ever known has been this one. I have learned, through > independant study, that under Reagan, taxes were lowered and buisnesses were > able to flourish and our national security was never more assured. also under reagan we had a huge recession, farms failed, and we lost billions due to savings and loan deregulation [that businesses were able to flourish part], and we tripled our national debt under a misguided attempt to destory the soviet union. I have > also discovered that under Jimmy Carter, the country experienced dreadfull > inflation which hurt the economy. > > But as I said, the only president I have really lived through has been Bill > Clinton. He came into office when I was 8 or something, I really don't > remember much about it. But as I've grown more aware of politics, I have > watched this man appear on television day after day for months and tell the > entire world he never had sexual relations with monica lewinsky, hell, he only lied once, then he shut up about it for months. had you lived through other presidencies, you would have heard a lot worse lies. when > everyone on the planet knows he did. I've watched him turn the united states > armed forces into the albanian air-force in a civil war over kosovo which has > lasted generations, simply to draw attention away from his personal problems. exactly! why, that expalins why he did the same thing in bosnia three years earlier!!!!!! i'm not trying to insult you here but you should pay a bit more attention to current events. > (by the way, now the tables are turned and albanians are killing and i don't > see much protest coming from president clinton now). they can't commit genocide. I watched his attorney > general wrip a little immigrant, who's mother died to bring him to america, > out of his extended family's home and send him back to a dictatorship. and thank god for that. I've > watched taxes increase and I've watched my fellow americans develop a sense > of apathy about our president. I've watched the public schools i've attended > (and i've heard about the ones i havent) turn into places of ignorance, > violence and drug use. no you haven't. schools *might* be worse than 8 years ago, but they'r enot more violent, nor are they more drug filled. and people have been apathetic about our president for eaons. > Really I am just a bit sick of it all, and I would like to see a change. To > me, Al Gore just represents the same old thing. Bush is something different > from a different side of the table. this is the funny thing. the reason i have anti- bush sig files is because bush IS the new clinton-= both are smarmy, waffling, pandering assholes who will say anything and everything toget elected, resort to the lowest blows of innuendo and slime to hurt their opponents, and crave power more than anything else. the only REAL difference between bush and clinton is that bush is a sock puppet, and no way in hell do i want the people pulling his strings appointing 3 supreme court justices. Sure he's not perfect, but he's a good > guy who seems to be more concerned with America than his own legacy. He's > displayed a good track record in Texas, where test scores are now higher than > in any part of the country. Personally I am ready for something different in > the white house. So I say, let's have a change. Bring on Bush. so you don't buy into gore propoganda, but yu do buy into bush propoganda. 'a good guy'? rats! > And so, that's all I have so say really. I never expected to be talking > politics on this list, I more expected to get somes tips about good bands. > Anyways, take care everyone, and good night. > my current ecto rotation on my changer: the sundays, static and silence, ivy, apartment life kirsty maccoll, best of lush topolino suzanne vega, 9 objects of desire. currently on regular rotation: leonard cohen, the future david gray, a century ends smashing pumpkins infinite sadness the boo radleys everything's allright forever. it's immaterial, life's hard and then you die. - -- People say men are genetically engineered to prefer polygamy, but you don't see that many women upset enough when their husbands leave them to shoot everybody in sight. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #278 **************************