From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #197 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 06 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: mp3 radio station? [Billi Mazur ] Primacy equals value? [burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)] Re: Spamster Spasms [three damons ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:48:15 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: mp3 radio station? Excellent idea Meth and great site Mike. Mark Miazga wrote: > About personal mp3 radio stations, Meridith writes: > > > Have any ectophiles tried this? If not, we should ... it would be a great > > way to showcase some of the independent ecto music that's out there. What > > do y'all think? > > I agree it's a great idea, and a lot of fun. I just set up one about a week ago > - check it out at: > > http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/75/marks_radio_station.html > > Comments are welcome and appreciated! :) > -- > Mark Miazga > miazgama@msu.edu > http://go.to/MarkMiazga > > W-2 Wilson Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 > (517) 353-0651 > http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama > > English & Secondary Education, Class of 2000 > > "We must elect Al Gore as president of the United States. ... The very future of > the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation hangs in the balance." --Human > Rights Campaign Executive Director Elizabeth Birch > > *It will be a great day when schools get all the money they need and the army > has to hold a bake sale to buy another tank* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:27:35 -0500 From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger) Subject: Primacy equals value? Ok, I am going to take another stab at this because I can. Since books were brought up, how about how book collectors value first editions above all else when looking at books? If this sort of judgement can be passed over to the digital realm via some sort of new technology, would that perhaps circumvent some of this moral angst over "intellectual property"? In other words, if the technology was there, could you accept the idea of a "first generation" of a mp3 being more valuable than a later generation mp3? Personally, live performance still reigns in my mind as the primary source and I hope that more people start agreeing with me. By the way, no one answered my question about the idea of a "spammed" mp3 (a file that is deliberately edited and spoken over in order to fool all those nasty mp3 pirates) eventually becoming collectible on its own merit. I look forward to reading your responses. - -Scott, enemy of the entertainment 'industry' P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:36:50 -0400 From: three damons Subject: Re: Spamster Spasms to expound a bit of the last one. Ted wrote: > > three damons wrote: > > > > > just to be clear, then, you don't think that the bootlegs people make > > of compact discs in china is theft. > > you don't htink that recording a movie in theatres and > > selling digital copies of it before it's released for home viewing is > > theft. > > This is a "slippery slope" posed as a question. no, it's comparing like behavior. > Ordinarily questions such as the ones above are offered when a person with an opposing > viewpoint has nothing substantial to add to his position, just to bait the other side into an > emotional outburst, if possible. I hope that is not your motive, is it? no. i see them all as piracy. > Just to be clear, how I feel about the equipment used to make bootlegs is how I feel about Napster. yes, and to be accurate, i should technically say 'people using napster', instead of the shorthand. > Some people have been saying that the whole internet is a den of thieves. > Do you agree with them? > In light of the fact that a whole lot of illegal activity occurs daily thanks to > e mail, renegade FTP servers, and strong encryption, > perhaps we should outlaw the internet. actually, i'm a very strong advocate of freedom of speech and freedom of the internet. > It is not that much more sweeping of a viewpoint than the RIAA's present position about Napster. > > btw- (I ordinarily try not to stray too far off topic in a discussion, but as you > are invoking China and bootleggers, perhaps I feel I should be entitled to). > Do you believe pot smokers are criminals? What about cocaine users? they ARE criminals. but that's not the question you wanted to ask. is it? really? see, i think pot smokers SHOULDN'T be criminals. i think what they are doing is criminal but moral. as for napster, i think it's piracy, but in some very explicit circumstances moral. > I just want to know if your morality is consistent with all aspects of law. hell, no. i think many laws are heinous things. the reason i get worked up over this is because i highly value art, and i think unless there are some protections built into this thing, artists will suffer. and there aren't such protections built into napster. and the responses i see include things like, 'fuck the artists if they can't adapt'. feh. - -- What political correctness is: Make disparaging remarks about minorites of New York: get suspended for two weeks. Admit to covering up two murders that happened right in front of you: no supsension. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #197 **************************