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ecto-digest Tuesday, June 13 2000 Volume 06 : Number 168
Today's Subjects:
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Re: Jane Siberry ["Mr. P. Kulawec"
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Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ]
Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ]
Re: Napster [Joseph Zitt ]
Re: Napster stuff [Joseph Zitt ]
Rhea's Obsession & Dreamchild [Craig Gidney ]
Napster debate lives on...somehow [burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)]
Re: Napster debate lives on...somehow [Joseph Zitt ]
Re: Napster [damon foam ]
Re: Napster [jason and jill ]
Re: Napster [Joseph Zitt ]
This and that ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ]
Re: Napster ["glenn mcdonald" ]
Re: various things [meredith ]
Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever! [steve ]
New addition to the Ecto Webring [Kay S Cleaves ]
Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever! [Joseph Zitt ]
Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever! ["J. Katherine Rossner" ]
Sinead's new album [Mark Miazga ]
Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever! [I Am Not I
Subject: Re: Jane Siberry
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Adam Kimmel wrote:
>I guess "Teenager" wasn't too smart a place to start with Jane Siberry, was
>it? Part of a day of music bingeing that is revealing the perils of impulse
>buying, it's not as bad as some (Yo La Tengo? Smog? Oy gevalt!) but it's not
>about to make me want to pursue anything else by her.
>
>
You'll get lots of people agreeing with that, but not me, (or the people
I've lent it to). One of my favourite Jane records, along with Maria and
the live trilogy. Something to do with the earlier releases being too
polished for my ears...
peter
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Matthews
Subject: Today's your birthday, friend...
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Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini
Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini
Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue
Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker
Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini
Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Dr. Firewall
Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini
Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini
Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini
Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue
Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini
Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 +
Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist
David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady
Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini
Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising
Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini
Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer
Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer
Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer
Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer
Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer
Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose
BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer
Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer
Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer
Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer
John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon
Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer
Lisa Wilson Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising
Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte
Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer
Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer
Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:43:49 -0700
From: "The Ectophiles' Guide"
Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide
Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide
11 June 2000
New Guide entries added for:
* John Etnier
* Hand to Mouth
* Lily Frost
* Salad
Changes made to the entries for:
* Stereolab (three recent albums added)
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:11:21 -0400
From: Laura Clifford
Subject: Napster on front page of yesterday's Boston Sunday Globe
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/163/nation/_Hi_I_m_Napster_+.shtml
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:30 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner"
Subject: Sarah Lentz
I'm assembling a Sarah Lentz page for the Ectophiles Guide, and am
looking for comments to stick in it. Anybody willing to send me some?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:14:01 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt
Subject: Re: Napster
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 12:09:21AM -0400, damon foam wrote:
> As to why,
> > the current situation in which it is becoming increasingly to have
> > access to art without purchasing objects presents the reason for
> > considering alternative methods.
> >
>
> wrt music, yes.
>
> not wrt books or paintings or whatnot.
>
>
> in essence, unless they are advocating entire novels be available for
> free
> online, the mp3ites are holding music to a different standard.
And, indeed, complete novels and films are available via Gnutella.
Also see http://www.bookface.com/
And graphics are becoming available in sufficient resolution to please
many people for many purposes. Note, for example, the reported use
of digitized images in the place of paintings in Bill Gates's house.
So effectively, modulo a bit of lag in propagation, books, paintings,
etc, are held to the same standard as music in this regard.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:18 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt
Subject: Re: Napster stuff
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:21:56AM -0400, josh burnett wrote:
> First of all, what a lot Napster supporters seem to be forgetting (or so
> it seems to me) is that not everybody has (or can afford) a computer with
> a lot of memory and a high-speed Internet connection to download tons and
> tons of mp3s with. So, if the pseudo-utopian future that many Napster
> supporters seem to want to come true does come true, and the record
> industry is killed and recorded music is just downloaded via mp3, are
> these people just not supposed to be able to listen to music anymore, or
> what? I think I phrased that whole thing rather awkwardly, so let me try
> it again: if mp3s take over recorded music and kill the record industry,
> how are people who can't afford computers, Internet connections, et al.,
> supposed to listen to music?
Ah. Judging from the pictures on your homepage, you may not have been
around in the days (fairly recent by my reckoning) when such things as
CD players and mobile telephones were expensive luxury items. Myself, I
just started paying attention at the time when people would tromp over
to the house of those people whose televisions could actually show
(*gasp*) color! And there are still people alive who can remember when
radios and phonographs were relative rarities.
I expect that in the near future, anyone who can currently afford a
Walkman will be able to afford an Internet (or successor) enabled wireless
audio device with on-demand streaming of audio files of reasonable
quality.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Gidney
Subject: Rhea's Obsession & Dreamchild
Dreamchild, "Gates to the Sea." Rhea's Obsession,
"Beyond Earth and Sky."
What sets apart gothic horror from the more mainstream
horror genre has been its sense of elegance. In Poe,
Clark Ashton Smith, and Lautremont we witness a love
of language and beauty that changes the texture and
atmosphere of the terrors that we are witnessing. The
purple prose points out the artifice of the form. It
is through this ornate lens that we can examine fears,
animal desires and dark impulses. In music, such
artists as Siouxsie Sioux, Diamanda Galas and Nico
have used dark imagery and beautiful music to similar
ends. Nico's drug-inspired poesy and cold, harsh
Germanic voice is nicely balanced by her and John
Cale's European folk-song settings. Sioux's words
hide commentary about sexism and violence behind witty
fairy-tale images, while her music takes on subtly
parodic forms. And Galas uses Decadent Literary texts,
processed vocals, and operatic forms to reveal the
horror AIDS wrought on the arts community in the early
'80s. In both literature and the music, beauty
operates as the silver lining in the vast cloud of
unknowing (reality). Both of
these releases explore that aesthetic in different
ways.
In the case of Canadians Rhea's Obsession, beauty
comes in the form of Sue Hutton's voice. She rises
above the clamor and tumult of Jim Field's guitar
sounds like a valkyrie, augmenting her classical tone
Middle-Eastern and Bulgarian vocal flourishes. Fields
has streamlined his guitar pyrotechnics in this
release. The wild experimentation of the debut
Initiation has been replaced by a near metallic sound
that's very accessible. Hutton's lyrics mostly deal
with women who walk the edge of madness, a state that
gives her characters profound and terrifying visions.
"She's Psycho-crazy, but she draws you in…" is one
lyric; another admonishes a "dreaming blade [to] cut
it all away," referring to disturbing visions. Her
overripe imagery seeks a tranquil space, where
humanity and nature coexist in harmony; the crashing
wave of sound and rhythm destroy this space, dragging
her and the listening back to reality. Beauty hides
in the beast in this release; it should appeal to fans
of the Banshees, the Cranes, and Curve.
Cambridge Massachusetts duo Dreamchild is
similar to both fellow Cambridge dwellers the Moors
and Rhea's Obsession. All bands feature a female
singer against atmospherically aggressive guitar
sounds. All three bands explore the
pagan/mythological terrain. Cheryl Wanner's
explorations are noticeably darker, mostly due to her
melodramatic delivery. Her style-really a compendium
of eccentricities-reminds me strongly of the work of
ex-Swans singer Jarboe. Like Jarboe, Wanner has a
variety of voices, not all of them pleasant.
Laughter, screams and growls share the stage with a
(relatively) more sedate and stately alto. Frank
Gerace's guitar is extremely experimental, imitating
chimes and horse whinnies when not being searingly
textural. The guitar landscape features Wanner's own
capable harp-playing. This is pagan-inspired music
that jumps straight into Dionysian darkside. The
beauty here is wild and stained with grapes and blood.
--Craig
Web references:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/16/the_moors.html
http://www.thelivingjarboe.com
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/15/dreamchild.html
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:39:09 -0500
From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)
Subject: Napster debate lives on...somehow
I am responding to a bunch of posts here from different people:
>It could drive ticket prices up. For a lot of the major shows where
>you'd think there would be a discount because of increased interest, they
>are already through the roof. Just as an ectophile type-example, the
>upcoming bay area natalie merchant tickets are going for $69.00 - $100+++
>That's just wrong.
>
>[the shows i go to are usually around $8 - no complaints there]
Ok. So that could be interpreted as something to support my point-
Napster/mp3s may put a premium on live shows. Now, I am not sure if I would
pay that much money to see Natalie Merchant, but then again I did pay $60
to James Brown recently and thought it was cool (front row seats and got to
shake his hand, he had a 11 person band with dancers and he was still
putting on some impressive dance moves even though he is older than my
dad).
What will be interesting to see is if smaller, lesser-known acts can push a
premium at their club shows. I figure it may take the clubs improving the
whole experience (see my reply to the post below).
>> >live shows can't support artists.
>>
>> what do you mean by support? I know plenty of bands whose main source of
>> income is not cds but live shows.
>
>is it their main source of income or their main
>band source of income?
main source of income. of course like most artists, they might have
additional jobs to augment that income.
>> I know. My argument is that MP3's will make recorded music free, but live
>> shows will have more importance attached to them because they are not
>> always readily available. It may take take time, but I believe this new
>> premium on live shows will create a market for more clubs. Not everybody
>> wants to sit in front of a big screen their whole lives
>
>oh, i don't.
>
>going to clubs is often icky.
Well I guess you can sit at home with your computer or tv then.
Everyone gets put off by late sets and smoky environments, but that will
change if people get off their ass and make an effort to support the clubs
that are more hospitable. That whole debate rages beyond the original
Napster debate though.
>> >artists will make LESS of a living, meaning less time for
>> >making art and more time for making a living.
>> >
>> Maybe in the short term, but I believe there will always be artists who can
>> figure out a way to make their living off their craft.
>
>i want MORE artists, not less.
> Besides, there are a
>> lot of crappy artists NOW who are spending more time making a living and
>> less time on making art. I say let Napster and MP3s take some of the
>> commercialism out of today's music. I think it is a good thing.
>
>nonsense.
>
>crappy is always subject to opinion.
>
>there are crappy popular bands and their are spectacularly good popular
>bands.
oh, so I guess you like all the Nirvana, Metallica, and Korn clones out there.
I have faith that the smart bands will be smart enough to know how to
navigate the whole mp3/Napster thing.
>First of all, what a lot Napster supporters seem to be forgetting (or so
>it seems to me) is that not everybody has (or can afford) a computer with
>a lot of memory and a high-speed Internet connection to download tons and
>tons of mp3s with. So, if the pseudo-utopian future that many Napster
>supporters seem to want to come true does come true, and the record
>industry is killed and recorded music is just downloaded via mp3, are
>these people just not supposed to be able to listen to music anymore, or
>what? I think I phrased that whole thing rather awkwardly, so let me try
>it again: if mp3s take over recorded music and kill the record industry,
>how are people who can't afford computers, Internet connections, et al.,
>supposed to listen to music?
Have their rich friends burn cds for them. Honestly, the prices on
computers and MP3 stuff is not very far out of reach of traditional stereo
prices. AND, like I have been saying, if bands are concerned about it, they
are welcome to 'back-format' and release stuff on vinyl and cassette. They
are a lot of music fans that still have the ability to play that stuff. If
you don't, I suggest you go to a thrift store and pick up a $5 walkman.
Recorded music is not going to phase out anytime soon.
>Okay. So, an argument I've seen many times is that, if Napster makes it
>impossible to sell cds, merchandizing is one of the other sources that
>will pick up the slack. Now, call me crazy, but that sounds an awful lot
>like television to me. I mean, you get the main product for free, and
>money comes from advertising. And we all know how non-commercial
>television is. If there are no cds to be sold, I'll bet you anything that
>you'd start seeing a LOT more corporate sponsorship in music. I don't
>know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe napster could make music less commercial, but
>I think it's at least as likely that the opposite could happen. Call me
>crazy.
You are crazy. For one thing, there is already a ton of corporate
sponsorship of music. Get your free cd with a Pepsi bottle top (insert
Negativeland reference here). Dont get me wrong, I get sick of all the
corporate sponsorship too, but its already prevelant and its not going away
no matter what happens to Napter/mp3. Join Adbusters or go back 30 years
and live in Russia.
Again, I have faith that smart bands will be able to get by without having
to entirely sell out. Actually, what is fun is when bands like Chumbawumba
try to subvert the corporations. It is a another whole debate on whether
they are successful at doing that.
Thanks,
Scott
P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:08:35 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt
Subject: Re: Napster debate lives on...somehow
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:39:09PM -0500, Scott Burger wrote:
> >there are crappy popular bands and their are spectacularly good popular
> >bands.
>
> oh, so I guess you like all the Nirvana, Metallica, and Korn clones out there.
Ah, OK, so the whole argument rests on a simple failure of elementary
logic. Those who have passed fifth grade math can spot the error in
that guess.
> Again, I have faith that smart bands will be able to get by without having
> to entirely sell out. Actually, what is fun is when bands like Chumbawumba
> try to subvert the corporations. It is a another whole debate on whether
> they are successful at doing that.
Some sell out. Some buy in. Some get lucky.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bob Keefer
Subject: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever!
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, steve wrote:
> >Closer to the suggestion, how about Captain and Tennile's "Muskrat
> >Love," a perversion of a very pretty song called "Sun Down" from the
> >album "Sun Down Lady" by Lani Hall, one of the former singers of
> >Brasil '66.
>
> Wasn't the original "Muskrat Candlelight" on Willis Alan Ramsey's
> self-titled album?
I believe the orginal "Muskrat Love" can be found on an album by
America, but I'm not sure which one (I can check at home if anyone
really wants to know).
bob k.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:35:09 -0400
From: damon foam
Subject: Re: Napster
Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 12:09:21AM -0400, damon foam wrote:
>
> > As to why,
> > > the current situation in which it is becoming increasingly to have
> > > access to art without purchasing objects presents the reason for
> > > considering alternative methods.
> > >
> >
> > wrt music, yes.
> >
> > not wrt books or paintings or whatnot.
> >
> >
> > in essence, unless they are advocating entire novels be available for
> > free
> > online, the mp3ites are holding music to a different standard.
>
> And, indeed, complete novels and films are available via Gnutella.
> Also see http://www.bookface.com/
>
> And graphics are becoming available in sufficient resolution to please
> many people for many purposes. Note, for example, the reported use
> of digitized images in the place of paintings in Bill Gates's house.
>
> So effectively, modulo a bit of lag in propagation, books, paintings,
> etc, are held to the same standard as music in this regard.
>
well, THAT'S what i wanted to hear.
somehow, i suspect authors will be even less amenable to this than
musicians.
but i suppose it'll be good because it will add increased
value towards local book readings, as all published work
will eventually becomes free.
- --
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: jason and jill
Subject: Re: Napster
> well, THAT'S what i wanted to hear.
>
>
> somehow, i suspect authors will be even less amenable to this than
> musicians.
>
>
> but i suppose it'll be good because it will add increased
> value towards local book readings, as all published work
> will eventually becomes free.
Yeah, personally I'm really looking forward to going down to Borders to
here this week's Time read by roving cadre of Time/Life reporters.
Tell me, what color is the sky on your world?
Jason
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:30:13 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt
Subject: Re: Napster
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 08:35:09PM -0400, damon foam wrote:
> but i suppose it'll be good because it will add increased
> value towards local book readings, as all published work
> will eventually becomes free.
And following that train, we can expect a robust business in people
sitting around in studios, watching someone paint :-)
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:35:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner"
Subject: This and that
To me, Sergio Mendes' cover of "Fool on the Hill" really was not that bad.
The worst song ever was actually something I saw a video of on local TV in
1984. I have, mercifully, forgotten the names of the song and the artist
alike--perhaps a case of hysterical amnesia. But it was a very
squeaky-voiced woman doing a terrible video of a terrible song. I am no
longer sure, but I thought it was on the Warner Bros. label.
The very worst song I can remember the name of was "Bop Girl," by Pat
Wilson. I saw the execrable video on the same station as the other one.
It definitely was on Warner Bros. The TV station in question is now
all-Spanish. The record label managed to survive to this day. Go figure.
WRT the scenario of MP3 killing the recording industry as we know it: no
computer I know of is capable of the same sound quality as the best CD
decks. So it would be a shame to kill off CDs. Besides, what if the
industry managed to force the availability of online files of records to
be on a pay-per-listen basis? So much for the first-sale doctrine in
copyright law.
Mitch
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:39:57 -0400
From: "glenn mcdonald"
Subject: Re: Napster
> And following that train, we can expect a robust business in people
> sitting around in studios, watching someone paint :-)
Mmm, wake me up when I can pay $8.25 to sit on the edge of certain
actresses' beds watching them putting moisturing cream on their ears...
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:36:45 -0400
From: meredith
Subject: Re: various things
Hi!
damon foam replied:
>i find this weird.
>first, the disc is still better than her first two or three discs,
>if not as good as fumbling....
In your opinion, maybe.
>second, she had been progressing towards more straight pop
>since disc one, which was good but not great.
I guess you have a much different definition of "pop" from me. Of Sarah's
first three albums, _Touch_ was definitely the most pop by far. _Solace_
doesn't even approach pop, and _Fumbling_ might be a tad closer thanks to
the presence of "Ice Cream", but not by much.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:41:42 -0500
From: steve
Subject: Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever!
>>>Closer to the suggestion, how about Captain and Tennile's "Muskrat
>>>Love," a perversion of a very pretty song called "Sun Down" from the
>>>album "Sun Down Lady" by Lani Hall, one of the former singers of
>>>Brasil '66.
>> Wasn't the original "Muskrat Candlelight" on Willis Alan Ramsey's
>> self-titled album?
Bob Keefer:
>I believe the orginal "Muskrat Love" can be found on an album by
>America, but I'm not sure which one (I can check at home if anyone
>really wants to know).
Now you made me go and look (I'm sure everybody has to know!).
The song was written by Ramsey and covered by both America and TC&T. He
was one of the Austin "Cosmic Cowboys" but didn't make it quite as big as
some of the others, so I'm sure the checks came in handy. Needless to
say, his is by far the best version. I have no idea when Love replaced
Candlelight in the title - maybe someone just made a mistake.
- - Steve
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:48:22 -0500
From: Kay S Cleaves
Subject: New addition to the Ecto Webring
Hey--
Well, since the ectoguide is now announcing updates, the webring probably
should too. :)
I'd like to welcome the Jill Austin Band to the Ecto Webring. Check out
their site at www.jillaustinband.com, and then take a swing around the
ring, why don't ya? We've grown a bit recently...
- --Kay Cleaves
Ringmaster, Ecto Webring
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:59:39 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt
Subject: Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever!
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:41:42PM -0500, steve wrote:
> The song was written by Ramsey and covered by both America and TC&T. He
> was one of the Austin "Cosmic Cowboys" but didn't make it quite as big as
> some of the others, so I'm sure the checks came in handy. Needless to
> say, his is by far the best version. I have no idea when Love replaced
> Candlelight in the title - maybe someone just made a mistake.
Was there actually a parody of it that played on Doctor Demento back in
the day, with a lyric starting "Hamster, Hamster, Hamster and Cheese..."?
It's been rattling around in my head for years, and I don't *think* I
dreamed it, but haven't been able to find confirmation of its existence.
(But then, for years no one believed that I remembered a TV show, "Super
President", until I found confirmation that it had run for a season on
Saturday mornings on NBC...)
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:50:18 -0400
From: dave
Subject: worst song and stuff..
I can't remember the name of it, but my pick is that song with the line:
"Heeeey.... Hooooo... Heeeeeey... Hooooo.. Put your hands in the air...
and wave 'em like you just don't care.."
Oh wait.. I remember the name now.. it was "Every rap song ever written"
Oh.. I was at the mall over the weekend, and I stopped into the music
store and picked out a dozen new CDs... I was on my way out and an alarm
went off and a security guy came running over and said I had to pay for
them.. I told him "but the music WANTS to be free" and he apologized,
told me to enjoy them, and let me go on my way.
Speaking of free, Natalie Merchant tickets are going for $69.00 -
$100+++????
And people pay that? Wow.. live shows DO sound like a great alternative
to CDs... now how can I get her to come play for me at work? Maybe she
can bring a bunch of noisy half drunk smokers with her so I get the full
effect of a club show, heheheh.
But seriously, I did actually go to a show over the weekend, by a 4 time
Grammy nominated band, and it was a free show, unless you wanted to give
a voluntary donation to the venue (which I did).
ok.. lighten up.. it's just sarcasm.. lol :)
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+ dave +
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:06:28 -0400
From: "J. Katherine Rossner"
Subject: Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever!
I feel obliged to point out that at one point Dr. Demento was often playing
"Hamster Love", a (per)version of the Captain and Tenille song.
Hamster, hamster/by candlelight
do it in a casserole is doin' it right
when they're in season/they're pretty pleasin'...
and I don't want to remember the rest!
Katherine
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Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge
Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so.
- Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde"
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:45 -0500
From: Kay S Cleaves
Subject: Updating the ecto CD Store Directory
Hey again--
I'm in a flurry of HTML updating, and will be getting to update the Ecto
CD Store Directory very soon. If anyone has any further suggestions of
good places (real stores, not online) for ectophiles to find that rare
music we all enjoy, please do pass them along to me.
If you want to see what I've already got up there, you can visit the
directory at http://www.geocities.com/kscleaves/Music/Ectostores.html.
I'm especially interested in what some of you non-United States based
ectophiles have to say about where you find the best CD's. As always, I
try to stay away from recommending major chains (i.e., Sam Goody, Best
Buy, etc.) unless they offer something particularly fabulous.
If I have time, I'll go and skim through the archives to see what's
popped up in the past few months since I last updated the site, but in
the meantime, if anyone has found a really fantastic source of good ecto
music anywhere in the country, do let me know!
In light of all this Napster/Gnutella debating (which I'm not touching
with a ten-foot pole...), it's kind of fun to be able to direct people to
where they can actually buy good music. :)
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:23:38 -0400
From: Mark Miazga
Subject: Sinead's new album
Just a reminder to everyone on Ecto...
Sinead O'Connor's first album in six years comes out today (Tues,
6/13). It's getting fabulous reviews, and the sound clips are amazing.
I think it's going to be a classic. I know I'll be buying it first
thing tomorrow, and my comments will follow.
I can hardly wait.
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English & Secondary Education, Class of 2000
"We must elect Al Gore as president of the United States. ... The very
future of the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation hangs in the
balance." --Human Rights Campaign Executive Director Elizabeth Birch
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:19:40 -0700
From: I Am Not I
Subject: Re: Muskrat Love: was Re: worst song ever!
Joseph Zitt asked:
> Was there actually a parody of it that played on Doctor Demento back in
> the day, with a lyric starting "Hamster, Hamster, Hamster and Cheese..."?
> It's been rattling around in my head for years, and I don't *think* I
> dreamed it, but haven't been able to find confirmation of its existence.
That would be Hamster Love by Big Daddy, which I am listening to even as I
type. Very weird.
Daniel (who ought to know weird when he hears it)
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"When you're 10, and a car drives by and splashes water all
over you, it's hard to decide if you should go to school, or
go home and change and probably be late. So while he was
trying to decide, I drove by and splashed him again."
- - Jack Handey
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