From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #144 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, May 24 2000 Volume 06 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ecto Guide ["Renee Campbell" ] Re: better sounds, stoned? [vylette ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] not even Happy or Kate [John Drummond ] Re: who sounds better stoned [JudoEWF@aol.com] Re: better sounds, stoned? [Greg Dunn ] Re: Ecto Guide [Neile Graham ] Happy & DotComGuy ["Joanna M. Phillips" ] on the crunchier side of things ["iflin@sirius.com" ] Re: better sounds, stoned? [JavaHo@aol.com] Ectoguide entries [dave ] Juliana Hatfield (was Re: on the crunchier side of things) [eperkins@mind] VW "Vapor" music [Steve VanDevender ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:35:47 CDT From: "Renee Campbell" Subject: Ecto Guide I guess Nelie is right. I think I understood the guide to be a list of Good Ambiant Music... not ust good music from any genre. That's why I said the McGargagle thing... I love them, but I always thought they were Folk.. so it didn't make much sense to me for them to be on a list (that I thought) was for Ambiant music... opps!! No hard feelings I hope... :) Renee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:38:21 -0400 From: vylette Subject: Re: better sounds, stoned? At 12:20 PM 5/22/00 -0400, dmw wrote: >On Mon, 22 May 2000, vylette wrote: >> >> i might further add that she is self-reportedly quite fond of mixing, >> her own music that is, while in a similar state of mind, and so i >> guess maybe the same applies to her music too? > > >i have to recommend against this practice! what sounds great when you're >stoned may sound absolutely dreadful later, but then you're stuck with it. >some of us got high after recording the last tracks for our demo, just as >we were doing the mixdown -- not my usual bag, but after the stress of >laying down vocal tracks i was desperately hungry for some mellowness. >unfortunately, listening to it now, i can only respond "*what* were we >thinking!?" since i *know* what we were on. well i hate to say i know exactly what you're talking about, but i don't think i'd feel too comfortable telling her how to mix her stuff until i started winning awards too, and i think, if i remember right, that she first does a set of, um, dry mixes, so to speak, or rather, mixes while dry, before getting in there and going nuts, and that only later in day's harsh cold light does she decide which one will be the final mix. for what it's worth when she originally told me about this it sounded like she used it a lot more, um, traditionally, more like a way to get over mixer's block than as a really key facet of the work. >(it's hard enough figuring out what the music is going to sound like on >speakers in the real world; nothing else on earth sounds like studio >reference monitors) oh how horribly true i can't even begin to go there, does anyone else get tired of seeing post-it notes over the tweeters on ns-10ms? and i think it must be just me but just about every small tannoy studio monitoresque sort of thing i've ever ever heard does this oh so ouuuch! screechy-scrapey-grating torture to the high notes &it actually hurts in my teeth but lots of people like them and so i think that must just be a quirk of me :( your studiogeek one-ab, -veronica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Jewel Kilcher (JewelJK@aol.com) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Dr. Firewall Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 2000 00:45:48 -0700 From: John Drummond Subject: not even Happy or Kate > > The name of the site is "The Ectophiles' Guide To > > Good Music". Not "The two artists that absolutely > > everyone on the list can agree need to be there." > There wouldn't even be two we could all agree on, > would there? Not even Happy. Not even Kate... That's true... there's a bunch of cheeky kids like me who don't really dig Happy *or* Kate much... I mean, they get total respect, but their work doesn't speak to me all that much. Anyhow. That's not really Ectoguide-quote material as such, it's just... pointing out a fact on my end. ;D John [scandalous and fabulous both end in -ous] Quote of the YEAR 2-THOU' : "i want to brush my teeth with your katana, potluck." - - Baby _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:05:02 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: who sounds better stoned << Hm. Well if you don't want to talk about illegal recreationals, what do you mean? Stoned in, say, the Biblical sense? >> First off, my apologies. I was stoned when I made that post, and I asked because I was listening to The Nield's CD "Play" in my car earlier that night and it sounded COMPLETELY different to me for some reason. They sounded like chipmunks or something. Also, I realized that Tori Amos' CD "To Venus and Back" sounded MUCH BETTER when I'm stoned. Not to say that TVAB isn't good, but once when I was stoned I listened to it and it was like ... WOW -- incredible. The reason why I said I didn't want to get into a discussion about pot was because I didn't want to stray away from the theme of this list -- music. I'm on a lot of e-lists and sometimes people go way off-topic when something like that is mentioned. I'm on a Natalie Merchant list and I remember how once someone mentioned they wanted to get a Natalie-inspired tattoo and somehow everyone got into an argument about the ethics of tattoos and avoided what the list was supposed to be about -- Natalie Merchant. Needless to say, a LOT of people were pissed off/annoyed by that occurance. Basically, I just don't want to start anything like that. I just wanted people to take the question as it is ("Who sounds better/different when you're stoned?") and leave out the ethics and politics because we ALL know that President Clinton didn't inhale. :) Stacy Let me show you the world in my eyes ... http://lukasavitz.adahost.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: better sounds, stoned? On Tue, 23 May 2000, vylette wrote: >oh how horribly true i can't even begin to go there, does anyone >else get tired of seeing post-it notes over the tweeters on ns-10ms? >and i think it must be just me but just about every small tannoy >studio monitoresque sort of thing i've ever ever heard does this oh >so ouuuch! screechy-scrapey-grating torture to the high notes &it >actually hurts in my teeth but lots of people like them and so i >think that must just be a quirk of me :( Heh. There are a zillion threads in the pro audio newsgroups about how to tame the sound of the NS-10 speakers. :-) They are nasty... When I was in the studio mixing my daughter's band's album last year, the monitors we were stuck with were a pair of the small (T)annoy units. The engineer insisted on playing them at ear-bleeding levels; I found I got a much better sound by standing behind them, listening for overall mix, and then using his AKG headphones to assess the actual frequency balance of the mix. I stuck a pair of post-it notes over the ports on the back of the speakers, so I could watch them flutter on the low freqs. :-) Since they don't have much low end... - -- | Greg Dunn | You dream about her, can't you | | gregdunn@indy.net | see? She's only shining bright | | gregdunn@aol.com | 'cause she's so out of reach... | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Heather Nova | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:04:04 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Ecto Guide Renee wrote: >I guess Nelie is right. I think I understood the guide to be a list of >Good Ambiant Music... not ust good music from any genre. That's why I said >the McGargagle thing... I love them, but I always thought they were Folk.. >so it didn't make much sense to me for them to be on a list (that I >thought) was for Ambiant music... opps!! >No hard feelings I hope... The funny thing on The Guide is that there's _way_ more folk there than ambient. In fact, I think folk is probably the best represented genre right now. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:24:54 -0400 From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Subject: Happy & DotComGuy Hey all! I don't know if you've heard about DotComGuy, a man who decided, to prove a point, to "live off the Internet" for a year, to prove the ease and worth of e-commerce. He also has about 20 cameras trained on him 24/7, except for the obvious times he needs privacy. Anyway, a lot of times, the people in the control room (the other half of the duplex he is living in, in Dallas, Texas) play music over the videofeed. I sent DotComGuy (his legal name) a copy of Happy's "Building The Colossus", because I thought "Collective Heart" was particularly apropos of his situation, with his fans/viewers in the chatroom there to be supportive...or give hints as to what toppings he should order on his pizza or what brand of orange juice is best (when he was sick), etc. And he often puts links up for us of stories or sites he finds interesting that we should check out (he also reviews e-commerce sites on his site). Today he said in chat, "Does this sound familiar, mouse?" and there came Happy's voice over the feed! They played all the CD, as far as I know (I kept getting bumped off the java chatroom they are testing (they *did* have a channel on DALnet, where some of us still hang out)). Anyway, one girl asked, "Is that Kate Bush?! I love Kate!" and I said, "No, it's Happy Rhodes!" :-) So...a bit of Happyvangelization there. :-) DotComGuy's Web site (no, I don't work for him--just an addict) :-P is: http://www.dotcomguy.com fleur aka ctrymouse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:52:39 -0400 From: "iflin@sirius.com" Subject: on the crunchier side of things i'm backlogged by ectodigest for about three months now. but i thought i would pop my head in and ask if anyone had thoughts on a couple of releases.... one if the recently double album release of JULIANA HATFIELD. apparently the two albums were also packaged together as a limited release set along with a bonus CD with a few extra songs (including the a cover of the POLICE song EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE) and multimedia stuff. the two albums supposedly varied (one is more folk acoustic orientated and was released under her name) and the other is more rocking orientated and released under the name JULIANA'S PONY. anyone get these yet? in other news, this fall will see a reunion BLAKE BABIES CD as well. or so the rumor has it. anyone have more info on this? i think i heard the month of SEPTEMBER badgered about. and has anyone picked up the new VERUCA SALT album RESOLVER? i wonder how it is and how it compares to previous VERUCA SALT outtings (especially since it is just really LOUISE POST's and a bunch of new people... that's all. music has dropped low on my priority list, but i'm working on it.... irvin - ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:58:32 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: better sounds, stoned? << does anyone else get tired of seeing post-it notes over the tweeters on ns-10ms? >> Oh my...this one took me back many years! Why, in my day, we didn't have post-it notes. We had to tape Kleenex over the tweets of NS-10Ms. Regards...Lisa (who is feeling way to old to be doing what she is doing...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:36:39 -0400 From: dave Subject: Ectoguide entries Meth wrote: > The name of the site is "The Ectophiles' Guide To Good Music". Not "The > two artists that absolutely everyone on the list can agree need to be there." Ummm.... which two would those be? I don't see any reason the McGarrigles wouldn't fit in, although I can't say I've ever really been into them. I do seem to recall being told that an artist doesn't necessarily have to fit the 'ecto' mold to be included in the guide. - -- +-----------------------------------------------+ + dave + + Sideshow Bob's House of Wax and Waffles + + Female vocalists, Christian, and Polish music + + http://www.magpage.com/~sspan/ + +-----------------------------------------------+ + irc.dal.net #tori #ecto + +-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:57:37 -0400 From: eperkins@mindspring.com Subject: Juliana Hatfield (was Re: on the crunchier side of things) I just picked up the packaged set a few days ago and am actually listening to Beautiful Creature, the more acoustic CD, now. I haven't listened to them enough yet to comment too much on them, except to say that although they don't seem like too much of a departure from her previous stuff, both discs are really good, and it seems like her material has gotten stronger overall. I haven't heard Bed or Please Do Not Disturb, but when I saw this set I got the urge to hear some new Juliana. I think anyone who likes her previous work will like both albums, although Juliana's Pony: Total System Failure" is certainly noisier overall than her usual sound. By the way, at least in my editions, both discs are released under her name; Juliana's Pony seems to just be part of the title. iflin@sirius.com wrote: > one if the recently double album release of JULIANA HATFIELD. apparently the two albums were also packaged together as a limited release set along with a bonus CD with a few extra songs (including the a cover of the POLICE song EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE) and multimedia stuff. the two albums supposedly varied (one is more folk acoustic orientated and was released under her name) and the other is more rocking orientated and released under the name JULIANA'S PONY. anyone get these yet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: VW "Vapor" music A couple of people asked who does the music used in the VW "Vapor" commercial. adcritic.com's music section says that it's a song called "Renaissance Affair" by a group called Hooverphonic. I forget whether it was here or another mailing list where I heard about adcritic.com, but wherever it was I think it had to do with the "Pink Moon" commercial, and adcritic.com came up as a web site that had information on the music used in several popular commercials. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #144 **************************