From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #39 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, February 10 2000 Volume 06 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Anja Garbarek [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Terra Incognita new URL [Terra Incognita ] Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed [Marion Kippers ] Re: Barbara Manning info anyone? [Jay Behel ] Re: Napster - good or evil? [Ken Blake ] Re: Napster - good or evil? [Jay Behel ] Long spiel on mp3s and the music industry [jjhanson@att.net] Re: Napster - good or evil? [dmw ] Re: Sleater-Kinney tour dates [John Drummond ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:32:06 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Anja Garbarek Hi.. While visiting a norwegian site I read that Anja Garbarek is doing a new album. She's collaborating with Mark Hollis on it! Great news or what? Anna Maria __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:58:54 +0000 From: Terra Incognita Subject: Terra Incognita new URL Hey gang, Terra Incognita now has an alternate address. Perhaps this is something Yahoo! did, or maybe it was the space guys--I don't know. But here's an alternate and more palatable address for the Happy Rhodes site (thank god) if you'd like to bookmark it: http://www.geocities.com/runly/terra.html The other address still works, too. Stranger things have happened, I suppose... We should also have some new stuff up on the site in a few weeks. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:30:24 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed Hi, Matt wrote in reply to Heather's query about the Ryuichi Sakamoto song sung by David Sylvian: > Assuming what you heard was the song "Forbidden Colors", it's also > available on the David Sylvian album "Secrets Of The Beehive", which just > happens to be my favorite Sylvian album (although I haven't heard his new > one yet). You might like to know that the version of "Forbidden Colours" on "Secrets of the Beehive" is different from the "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" movie-version -- it's sort of acoustified, matching more to the mood of the rest of David Sylvian's album, rather than the original more synthesized film version. I have to admit that I was slightly disappointed that it wasn't the original version when I bought my vinyl-replacement CD copy of "Secrets..." (it's a bonus track on the cd and I was so happy that this song was included); to be honest I prefer the original version. But "Forbidden Colours" is a beautiful beautiful song indeed. "Secrets of the Beehive" is a beautiful album as well, at that. Best wishes, Marion n.p. David Sylvian - Secrets of the beehive n.r. Geert Mak - De eeuw van mijn vader ('My father's century') - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: James mitchell Subject: Re: Sleater-Kinney tour dates I've got to add a few huzzahs here for Sleater-Kinney hitting the road again! The first time I saw them at the Metro in Chicago (October 1998), they were like their own private force of nature, or perhaps a bomb exploding in the venue. Someday I may forget the moment when, after arranging their instruments, and sort of standing about a bit, they started playing 'I'm not Waiting'. I didn't know what to expect... I was just driving some girlfriends to a show that they said would be good, and here was this band seeming to defy any forces that could be defied, with every sinew. Anyway, the last time, unfortunately postponed into the summer by some sort of inujury, was not quite so hot, or rather it was Hotter than Hell inside the Metro. One of the posts that the guitar strap hangs on kept falling out of Corin's guitar. It was only natural that the show couldn't hold the sort of energy that the last one did. So... hopefully a new show will get arround to kicking ass again. James Mitchell james_R_mitchell@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:47:27 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Barbara Manning info anyone? Hi all, Can anyone educate me a bit on Barbara Manning? I checked the ectoguide but her entry is still forthcoming. I know very little other than I heard a few tracks on a compilation & a live recording someone sent me & I enjoyed it. My knowledge of her is almost non-existant. All I know is that she's from CA & is somehow connected to that "Paisley Underground" scene of the mid 90's. Can anyone recommend a good place to start on her recordings? Any other helpful info would be welcome. Thanks! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:06:07 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: Re: Barbara Manning info anyone? I probably don't know enough to be the one to inform you about barbara manning, but i'll share the little that i can. Barbara Manning has at least 1 solo album out on Matador Records. It's called 1212 and came out in 1997. She is (was?) also a member of a group called San Francisco Seals which has several albums out. She also appears on _Wasps' Nest_, an album under the project name "the 6ths" which was briefly brought up not too long ago. and that's all i got. oh, on 1212, she does original material as well as covers, including a Richard Thompson tune and a Tom Lehrer song. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 11:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Behel Subject: Re: Barbara Manning info anyone? Alan, I don't claim to be a Barbara Manning expert but... She's the erstwhile lead singer of the SF Seals and also a solo artist. I have two of her solo albums (1212 and In New Zealand) and one SF Seals album (Truth Walks in Sleepy Shadows). She sounds and writes a bit like Lisa Germano but with an aesthetic more like Yo La Tango. Her lyrics are dark but not without humor. My favorite of her recordings though is her track on the 6ths' Wasps Nest. Happy exploring, jay On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:47:27 EST ABershaw@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, > Can anyone educate me a bit on Barbara Manning? >I checked the ectoguide but her entry is still forthcoming. >I know very little other than I heard a few tracks on >a compilation & a live recording someone sent me & >I enjoyed it. My knowledge of her is almost non-existant. >All I know is that she's from CA & is somehow connected >to that "Paisley Underground" scene of the mid 90's. > Can anyone recommend a good place to start on >her recordings? Any other helpful info would be >welcome. Thanks! Alan > Jay M. Behel, Ph.D. \"When I dare to be powerful-to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it begins to matter less and less whether I am afraid.\" Audre Lorde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:04:28 -0800 From: Ken Blake Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? With the advent of mp3's and high speed net connections, I've been wondering if a new model for the music industry is called for. Possible something along the lines of the open source/free software movement. Here's one scenario: An new artist records some music, puts the mp3's on the web and builds a following. Then tours to make an income. Basically the music is given away and other means are used to support the artist. I'm sure there would be other sources of income besides playing gigs but I'm not sure what they will be. Royalties from commercial use such as radio play is one possibility. Someone like Happy would be forced to hit the road rather than spending most of her time in the studio. It's not clear whether this would be good or bad or just different. Some artists don't like doing gigs (Steely Dan comes to mind). Also getting rich from music will be difficult without another lucrative source of income. Anyone else think this is a possibility? Ken Sue Trowbridge wrote: > > lot of people will figure, why buy it when I can download it for free? If > it gets to the point where no one can make a living from music, then we > can all say adios to the fantastic spectrum of artists and albums that are > available to us now. Thus, my moral quandary about this resource. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Behel Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:04:28 -0800 Ken Blake wrote: >With the advent of mp3's and high speed net connections, I've been >wondering if a new model for the music industry is called for. >Possible something along the lines of the open source/free software >movement. >Someone like Happy would be forced to hit the road rather than >spending most of her time in the studio. It's not clear >whether this would be good or bad or just different. > >Anyone else think this is a possibility? > I certainly hope not. Some of my favorite artists (Bjork) spend lots of time and energy dressing their natural talents in gorgeous and complex studio trappings. I can't imagine having most music produced with bare bones technology and having to go to gigs to actually support the artists. I would prefer a parallel system where young acts can sell themselves via Napster, MP3, etc. and established artists can continue to benefit from record label budgets. And call me old fashioned but I still prefer music (and books) that you can hold. jay np: Sloan Wainwright-Sloan Wainwright nr: Far Euphrates-Aryeh Lev Stollman > >Sue Trowbridge wrote: >> >> lot of people will figure, why buy it when I can download it for free? If >> it gets to the point where no one can make a living from music, then we >> can all say adios to the fantastic spectrum of artists and albums that are >> available to us now. Thus, my moral quandary about this resource. Jay M. Behel, Ph.D. \"When I dare to be powerful-to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it begins to matter less and less whether I am afraid.\" Audre Lorde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:55:16 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Long spiel on mp3s and the music industry While mp3s may result in more music being "given" away, I seriously doubt that the music industry as a whole will change much. Some artists may resort to touring more to gain income, but the fact is live music is only a minor part of the music industry. The sad fact is that most people go to zero - two concerts a year, and those are only to the big name stadium type shows--which are also the only shows that really generate substantial revenue for artists. To me, the advent of mp3s is not as revolutionary as people feel. People could violate copyright laws before by taping their favorite songs of the radio. Sure, it isn't convenient as mp3s, and the quality isn't as good, but it's possible. And people always had the option of going to libraries, borrowing friends CDs, etc to make copies of the music they wanted but didn't want to pay for (or buying CDs, taping them and returning them if the store they frequented had a decent return policy--I know many people who used to do this at Target, before Target tightened their return policy). I believe that there will still be a market for prepackaged official media released by the artists-- mainly becuase of its convenience. As it is, the predominate number of people who buy music only buy a couple of CDs a year, and those are typically the artists that have been drilled into their heads by radio. Sure, some people willl download an mp3 rather than buying the single or CD. But the artists fans will likely still buy the "official" releases, just to support the artist, to have the "complete" collection, whatever. To me, mp3s, like radio, are a great way to advertise an artist. Sure some people may download the file, and never buy a single or CD--just as some people will hear a song on a radio, may even like it, but will never buy it. As people have pointed out--it's a great way to collect those hard-to-find singles--but isn't the point here that those things are hard-to-find? If the company really wanted everyone to have one--they would have produced more. But the fact is, companies tend to print the number of copies of a single that they reasonably expect to sell. Sure, some diehard fans will search around later, digging for them and searching for them, and if the demand is great enough, the artist's company will release them as a B-Sides collection (usually after the artist has been dropped from the label, or to complete their contract-just to milk out any revenue possible from the market, while expending as little as possible on further recording sessions, etc). The limited edition CD single thing came about only so that initial demand for singles would be great enough that the single would chart and thus have some hope for airplay--which would then result, hopefully, in further album sales. When mp3s become so convenient to use, download, have artwork, lyrics included, etc., then they might pose a threat to established formats--but until then, I still think the average music buyer will prefer the convenience of buying their CDs at Wal-Mart or wherever. The average music buyer isn't willing to take the time to search the internet for the music, download it, make a CD or other media, print out lyrics, photos, booklets, whatever. As threatening as the technology may seem, I seriously doubt mp3's are going to radically change the music business. As for Napster, it seems like a music lover's dream. But the devoted music lover is typically a music buyer as well--unless they really are so broke that they can't afford to buy music--in which case, the availability of mp3s isn't reducing their expenditures-- it's just allowing the poor to have access--which in turn, they'll play for friends who may actually buy CDs. I'm sure the music industry may be opposed to it, and it may even be shut down, but even if it thrives, I don't see it really causing widespread changes to the industry. The biggest changes I see resulting from mp3/internet technology is that more music will be available because it's cheaper and easier to produce and make available. This will result in more independent artists and musicians (and a heck of a lot more struggling artists and struggling labels). But all that means is that it's going to be harder for an artist to gain attention--because there's going to be a lot more competition. There will still be huge artists like Brittany Spears and Backstreet Boys, because the world loves celebrity and icons, and becuase people will still listen to radio, want to hear songs which they're familiar with, and want to watch one or two channels of videos such as MTV that are playing the same songs they know and love (with one or two new ones added a month for a bit of variety). The majority of the music buying public just doesn't devote a lot of time to finding those really great, unique, talented artists. And MTV and radio will continue to only play those songs that are "big" enough hits that they can gather enough listeners so that they can attract advertisers. And if Napster, etc, really becomes that popular, do you really think the advertiser's won't show up there? Sooner or later, some company will out a way to commercialize it. So while people may fear that the advent of mp3s will have everyone downloading their very own music selection and never spending another cent on pre-recorded media-- I personally don't see it happening. Nor do I see it having a great impact on overall record sales. If anything, it may get some people to buy more music. Jeff Hanson n.p. Lisa Ekdahl - Back to Earth n.r. A Map of the World - Jane Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Ken Blake wrote: > Here's one scenario: An new artist records some music, puts the > mp3's on the web and builds a following. Then tours to make an > income. Basically the music is given away and other means are > used to support the artist. there are exceptions, of course, but generally, touring is more likely to *lose* money, especially for a new artist. big tours these days almost always have corporate sponsorships and/or "tour support" $ from the label; for unsigned bands, or bands on tiny indies, spending one night in a hotel room when you can't find a floor to crash on can eat up the last four night's income. i'm putting every penny i can scrape together over a several-month period into the record we're doing; i don't expect (or even really want) to break even on it, but i'd like to sell enough to recoup some of what we put into it, which is more than we can really afford. if thousands of people were to nab it from napster i'd be, uh, simultaneously ecstatic (thousands!) and p-o'd. not to mention broke. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Drummond Subject: Re: Sleater-Kinney tour dates I saw Sleater-Kinney last year here in Atlanta and then the next night in Athens, and both nights they were incredible... the Athens show was at the 40 Watt, which is Michael Stipe's club, and it's a remarkably intimate venue, but both shows made good on the promise of brilliant guitar squall. I adore them. Remember when I went all loopy over them last Spring, y'all? And started talking about "wavelengths" and "personal salvations" and what Ecto *really* is? Wow, that was a LONG-ASS time ago. Oh well. *giggle* John ===== [self-indulgent all-eyes-on-JOHNNY] Quote of the day : "How irritating, now we're going to be back into this whole studly-poet thing that just eliminates the call for fucked-up gash sluts like us. *sob*" - - John "Who?" Drummond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #39 *************************