From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #15 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 06 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fa.music.ecto [fartachu ] Re: fa.music.ecto [Bill ] Re: fa.music.ecto [Steve VanDevender ] ft: jill tracy,lydia lunch,rare on air 3,sunshine blind,etc. [Telisa827@c] veda in connecticut! [meredith ] Dawn McCarthy [neal copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:40:24 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: fa.music.ecto well, those in favor of keeping fa.music.ecto have a 10 to 5 edge over those saying we should shut down the gateway. furthermore, at least one person (cath) has said that they only read ecto via the newsgroup. on the other hand, those in favor of shutting it down appear to feel more strongly about the matter than those saying we should keep the status quo. anybody know of an open news server which carries fa.music.ecto? woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: fa.music.ecto On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, fartachu wrote: > anybody know of an open news server which carries fa.music.ecto? Yes, dejanews. (I know, dejanews is not a news server per se, but it has the same effect of carrying all of the newsgroups' content and being open to all) - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:58:38 -0800 (PST) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: fa.music.ecto Leon van Stuivenberg writes: > woj wrote: > > (it is interesting to see how the lines are drawn. those who have supported > > the status quo tend to be long-time subscribers while those who don't tend > > to be more recent recruits. both sides have good reasons too.) > > Interesting observation (being a newbi (to ecto) myself, i didn't > notice it). Would it still be the same if instead of long-time > subscribers you'd choose long-time internet users? Many of ecto's long-time subscribers are long-time internet users -- the list was created in 1991 and the early subscribers were many of the people who had previously been discussing Happy in love-hounds/rec.music.gaffa (isn't that interesting, we came from another very old mailing-list/newsgroup gateway). > > quo as well. Mailing list exploders, mailing list gateways, and such things > > are facts of life and have been since mailing lists were invented. No one > What is technically possible is not always what is desirable. What is > desirable is not always enforceable. I don't think an attitude of > 'accept things the way they are; they're out of your control anyway' > is going to do much good, but that's a different discussion. If I understand your argument correctly, you believe ecto should be only a mailing list and should not be distributed in any other form. But it remains true that ultimately we cannot prevent any ecto subscriber from feeding postings into a news gateway, putting up their own publicly-accessible archive of postings, or printing out postings and gluing them to the sides of buildings. So it's also true that once you post to ecto, you cannot reasonably expect that your posting will be seen by only ecto subscribers. Maybe that's a surprise to you, but it seems to me easily deducible from the nature of email. My feeling is that the fa.music.ecto gateway, and any other gateways we know or don't know about, are not demonstrably hurting ecto, not causing it to have a different "feel" than it has ever had, and therefore are not worth restricting. Words weren't made for cowards, people. If you don't think the entire world should see something you post to ecto, then you had probably better not post it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:19:36 EST From: Telisa827@cs.com Subject: ft: jill tracy,lydia lunch,rare on air 3,sunshine blind,etc. Hello, I have the following for trade only. I'm looking for a copy of the Kate Bush Hammersmith Odeon video, direct from an original copy. I'll trade any 1 CD for it. Or if anyone has a mint original video, I'll trade any 3 CD's. Feel free to send trade lists as well. Jill Tracy--"diabolical streak" Rare On Air--Volume 3--(includes cowboy junkies,fiona apple,patti smith,stereolab,booth & the bad angel,remy zero,tindersticks,etc.) kym brown-"pygmalion" Lydia Lunch,rowland howard-SHOTGUN WEDDING(**SEALED CD**) Sunshine Blind--"Love the sky to death" Throwing Muses--"the real ramona" Berlin--"Count Three & Pray" Zoe--"Hammer" telisa827@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:27:34 -0500 From: meredith Subject: veda in connecticut! Hi! This just makes me SO happy ... VEDA HILLE with OH SUSANNA Friday, February 4, 2000 9:00 PM Acoustic Cafe 2926 Fairfield Ave (across from Black Rock Castle) Bridgeport CT Mark it on your calendars now! This gig was set up in part because Rich F, the owner of the Acoustic Cafe feels that I'll be able to ensure good attendance by publicizing this show on the Net. Please don't make a loser out of me! :) (Chuck, I'll need you to bring EVERYONE YOU KNOW to this... ;) The way things are going Veda's not going to be playing in our neck of the woods too much this year, so you definitely don't want to miss this show. It's not a bad idea to call ahead for reservations -- that way Rich will know what the interest is like. Call 203-335-FOLK (3655) and if you have a credit card you'll be able to buy tickets in advance. (I'm not sure exactly what the ticket price is going to be, but usually these shows run in the $10 range.) I'll post directions a bit closer to the event. Also, the venue is easily accessible from the Fairfield train station. Let me know if you want to come by train and I should be able to pick you up. Crash space is available at the House o'Muzak -- contact me privately if you need to take advantage of that option. I hope to see a lot of you (and all your friends :) there! P.S. Veda and Oh Susanna will be in Philadelphia on Thursday, 2/3, and also (hopefully!) at least Veda will be in NYC somewhere around there too. I'll post updates as soon as I have them. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:15:49 -0500 From: neal copperman Subject: Dawn McCarthy I've been really lax at doing one of the guide pages for a disc Neile sent me ages ago. The disc is called Faun Fables by a woman named Dawn McCarthy. I don't have any info at all about her, other than she appears to be from the Bay Area (510 is a Bay Area area code, right?). I rather enjoy the disc, so I thought I'd give it a little attention by posting the comments that'll be incorporated into the guide's page to the list. Type of Music:Experimental Folk Comparisons: Her voice and style of singing seem strikingly like Mia Doi Todd. Both of them share some of the same range as Sloan Wainwright, but they have a different way with phrasing and a tendancy to swoop up to higher registers. I also hear a touch of Kathleen Yearwood, particularly in her sparse, jagged arrangements of traditional songs, though they don't seem to be quite as dramatically reworked. I can also hear a bit of that jazzy slurring that Joy Eden Harrison likes to do. Only on one song did I hear Iva Bittova's vocal acrobatics. General Comments: Ecto Priority: Moderate Album Comments: It seems like I'd call her music Art Folk. It's generally accoustic and sparsely arranged, but seems somewhat mannered. It has a bit more of a rough edge than I tend to think of when I say folk, and titles like "The Muse", "A Lullaby for Konscious", "Ode to Rejection" and "The Crumb that got away" seem to be wondering into more literary territory. I'm notoriously inattentive to lyrics, and without a lyric sheet, it'll be months before the content of the songs sink in. Musically, Dawn has a deep husky voice that occasionally breaks into swoops and yodels. The disk has pretty sparse arrangements, usually with only a couple of instruments complimenting the vocal line. While not instrumentally dense, the music still manages to pull against the vocals, providing an interesting tension. And we even get a lively yodeling finale. It's an album that I really enjoy listening too, though it doesn't sweep me off my feet or startle me. It walks a bit in a no-mans land: not pretty or catchy enough for me to have the songs in my head, not haunting enough for me to be deeply moved, and not alarming enough for me to be unnerved. But it has a touch of all of those features. neal np: Faun Fables - Dawn McCarthy ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #15 *************************