From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #311 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 05 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? [Christian Reiter ] Re: First mention of ECTOFEST ? [Robert Lovejoy ] RE: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] FW: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: garmarna tonight (wow) and dido on letterman thurs [meredith ] Re: garmarna tonight (wow) etc. [Paul Blair ] RE: Here Comes the Flood ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: garmarna tonight (wow) and dido on letterman thurs [neal copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:02:37 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: Re: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > A few thoughts: > > Are 80 minute CD-Rs universally playable? If not, it might be worth editing > 6 minutes out of the performance. This might also lead to a lesser > failure rate. The failure rate for 80minutes on specified 80 min CDRs is close to zero, itīs just the same as burning 74min on a normal CDR. Only burning 81, 82 minutes etc. carries a failure rate. Itīs like c60 and c90 cassettes, you can usually fit 46:30 or more on one side of a c90 but thereīs no guarantee, depends on the product, but there is no failure rate for trying to put 45min on a side ofa 90min cassette. In my experience the 80s are universally playable by anything that can play a CDR at all. Iīve played them in cheap portables, and they play perfectly in my not-so new (1993) CD player. I would suggest cutting down from 81:15 of the original mp3 to 79:57 or so, that is possible without removing a word. (just cut parts where the speakers hum and everyone is busy doing somethin and not talking) Christian > > Not yet having listened intently to the > whole, I suspect that this could be done. If you'd like, I could take a > shot at it, given a CD-R of the original .wav or a dupe of the Minidisk. > I've gotten pretty adept at editing these kinds of things. I suspect we > could save several minutes editing out some of the more technical, less > funny banter about the sound system here and there. > > $5 seems like a reasonable compensation to me. However, I would think it > more significant to clear it with the artist if money is involved. > > That said, I'd really like to see this happen! > > n.p, Rasputina: How We Quit the Forest (which I just got for $1, as > well as CDs by Peter Himmelman, Soul Asylum, Charlie Haden, Lili > Haydn, Caspar Brotzmann, Boyz II Men, and others, for $1 or less > each at a local used wrecka stow. YeeHaw!) > n.r. Linux IP-Masquerading mini-HowTo (I also got a new PC today...) > > -- > |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| > | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | > | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | > | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:32:15 -0400 From: John J Henshon Subject: First mention of ECTOFEST ? Stumbled across during a web search. (In the archives) First mention of a thing called ECTOFEST ? 1993 ? Dr. Bob coined the phrase ? ========================================================================F rom : r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.comDate: Thu, 9 Dec 93 03:39:00 BSTSubject: Re: radio - reply to bob Hello Fellow Bob, I live in Cherry Hill, across the street from where Happy's managergrew up. We must get together soon! Also I note Joe Zitt claiming locality! Dare I mention Cherry Hill Ectofest in the near future? (Phillyphiles too!) And Bob, you must be new to the area. WDRE is not an ecto station atall. They don't play Kate, they refused Happy. The ultimate ecto stationof all times is right here. The first major station to play Happy Rhodes inthe USA. The station Happy listens to when she's in town. The station thatOften plays Dead Can Dance, as well as Bjork, Cranberries, and a host ofectofaves - the phenomenal WXPN, 88.5 fm!!! You and Joe and I must get together! +************************************************************************ *+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +************************************************************************ *+ ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:36:01 -0400 From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Re: First mention of ECTOFEST ? John J Henshon wrote: > > Stumbled across during a web search. (In the archives) > > First mention of a thing called ECTOFEST ? 1993 ? Dr. Bob coined the > phrase ? > > ========================================================================F > rom > : r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.comDate: Thu, 9 Dec 93 03:39:00 BSTSubject: Re: > radio - reply to bob Hello Fellow Bob, I live in Cherry Hill Great Scott! I have been here a long time! The only reason I couldn't make it to the "real" ectofest was the occasion of my youngest son Steven starting University that weekend. Steven is now a freshman at Rider University, and he seems to be thriving. My older son is now a junior at Franklin & Marshall. WXPN is still a good station but not what it once was. WDRE has gone to Urban Hiphoppery. I am more of a lurker these days than I was those days but I still keep up with the list. Happy remains my all time favorite musican/performer. I d/l'd the ectofest stuff - all four performances - in a little under 30 minutes. I love my cable modem! Best regards to all of you and thanks John for the memories! Bob L. (who was never referred to as Dr. Bob but sometimes "Uncle Ecto", Bobbo the Hutt, or, more usually, Hey You! - -foop- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:09:53 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? That's been my experience with 80 minute CDRs too. And I did the same thing with the show, I edited out 5 to 15 second chunks of nothing very interesting happening and mine is now 77:44. This should not be a problem burning. Same thing with playability. CDs are more like LPs than some people think, its just one long spiral stream of laser pits. The original specifications provided for the possibility of a tight spiral that could result in 80+ minutes of playback. A very old, cheap CD player could have problems since early CDs did not exploit the extremes of the specification. If there is going to be a problem it is usually in the tolerance of the CD player to play any CD Recordable. CDRs use different engineering than commercial CDs and some older CD players may have lasers that don't have the sensitivity to pick up the pitting. My previous comments re: 80s were more directed to the Blank & Postage reimbursement concept. 80s are not readily available in most stores, I order them in bulk over the net. Someone without a burner looking for trade wampum should not have to do that. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Christian Reiter Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:03 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > A few thoughts: > > Are 80 minute CD-Rs universally playable? If not, it might be worth editing > 6 minutes out of the performance. This might also lead to a lesser > failure rate. The failure rate for 80minutes on specified 80 min CDRs is close to zero, itīs just the same as burning 74min on a normal CDR. Only burning 81, 82 minutes etc. carries a failure rate. Itīs like c60 and c90 cassettes, you can usually fit 46:30 or more on one side of a c90 but thereīs no guarantee, depends on the product, but there is no failure rate for trying to put 45min on a side ofa 90min cassette. In my experience the 80s are universally playable by anything that can play a CDR at all. Iīve played them in cheap portables, and they play perfectly in my not-so new (1993) CD player. I would suggest cutting down from 81:15 of the original mp3 to 79:57 or so, that is possible without removing a word. (just cut parts where the speakers hum and everyone is busy doing somethin and not talking) Christian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:30:47 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:45:44PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > These numbers are based on my experience distributing Ectopia. That one cost > a little more, actually due to the full booklet, and the extra nice paper > for the wonderful artwork offered to the project. And the fact that > overburning 80 minute CDRs had an attrition (failure) rate of almost 30%. In asking about the 80 vs. 74 minute CD-Rs, this is what I was referring to. By "overburning", do you mean trying to get more than 80 minutes on an 80 minute CD-R? Otherwise, a %30 failure rate is mighty high. In my worst-case experiences (but dealing only with 74 minute discs, and not counting the batch that I got recently that were so cheap that i literally could see through them), I've never had a failure rate greater than %5-10. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:03:08 -0500 From: "Mike Mendelson" Subject: CD of ECTOFEST -- Who should BENEFIT? I hate to be a party pooper here, but it seems particularly unjust for those who were able to tape the show to be distributing the music without any sanction, approval, or proceeds for the organizers of ectofest. When Fred gave me a ride back to my hotel, he was saying that the *break-even* attendance number was about twice the number of people who actually showed up and paid. That means that someone (I don't know who) was out about $1500 on the event. Now I might be completely misunderstanding this, so please correct me if I am wrong. =20 But if I am right (or close to right) would it not make more sense for the generous souls who taped the event to turn the CD of the event over to the organizers and let them use the CD as a way of recouping some of their costs? I don't know exactly how this would work, but if the demand for the CD is already at 75 people, then the likelihood is it will rise from there. If they can actually make $10 profit / CD, that would come close to covering the costs they lost on the show. Why not give them that opportunity outright? Maybe they could sell even more of these. Of course, they would have to OK it with the artists involved I would imagine, and I don't know how easy / hard that would be. Meth and Chuck, what do you think about all this? - -mjm _______________________ Michael J. Mendelson mjm@harmonicvision.com or mjmjm@usa.net Harmonic Vision Makers of Music Ace and Music Ace 2 Software that brings music to life! 906 University Place Evanston, IL 60201 (847) 467-4047 office (847) 467-3008 fax http://www.harmonicvision.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:57:20 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: CD of ECTOFEST -- Who should BENEFIT? Wow, I didn't realize that the event had tanked so badly, financially speaking (though it was a roaring musical success). Having the proceeds of the CD benefit the organizations would be a good thing. I'd be willing to pay towards that. However, we may have a better manufacturing/distribution method in hand now than might happen if we were to simply hand the masters to the organizers and ask them to do it (having already put a whole bunch of energy/time/money into it themselves). Assuming we got clearance from the artists, etc, would it be worthwhile to, say, charge $15 for the disc, with $5 going to the costs of making the discs themselves (as described earlier) and the remaining $10 going to the organizers. I suppose the collection and flow of moneys could go in either direction. (Also, what about the remaining t shirts,etc?) This runs the risk of getting complicated, but deserves looking into. On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 11:03:08AM -0500, Mike Mendelson wrote: > I hate to be a party pooper here, but it seems particularly unjust for > those who were able to tape the show to be distributing the music > without any sanction, approval, or proceeds for the organizers of > ectofest. When Fred gave me a ride back to my hotel, he was saying that > the *break-even* attendance number was about twice the number of people > who actually showed up and paid. That means that someone (I don't know > who) was out about $1500 on the event. Now I might be completely > misunderstanding this, so please correct me if I am wrong. =20 > But if I am right (or close to right) would it not make more sense for > the generous souls who taped the event to turn the CD of the event over > to the organizers and let them use the CD as a way of recouping some of > their costs? I don't know exactly how this would work, but if the > demand for the CD is already at 75 people, then the likelihood is it > will rise from there. If they can actually make $10 profit / CD, that > would come close to covering the costs they lost on the show. Why not > give them that opportunity outright? Maybe they could sell even more of > these. Of course, they would have to OK it with the artists involved I > would imagine, and I don't know how easy / hard that would be. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:36:44 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Here Comes the Flood Well, the company cafeteria was mobbed today, since, in fear of the hurricane, no one went out to lunch. In the crowdedness, someone jostled the drink dispenser, which spewed grapefruit juice in to the tray-sliding line. As several of us noted, we now had our own little pink Floyd. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:40:44 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: FW: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? Yes, the high failure rate is on discs I overburn (Ectopia is like 81:49). Using the same brand for <80 minute programs, I have not had any media errors yet. - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:31 PM To: Foghorn J Fornorn Cc: ecto Subject: Re: Happy Ectofest CD...organization? On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:45:44PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > These numbers are based on my experience distributing Ectopia. That one cost > a little more, actually due to the full booklet, and the extra nice paper > for the wonderful artwork offered to the project. And the fact that > overburning 80 minute CDRs had an attrition (failure) rate of almost 30%. In asking about the 80 vs. 74 minute CD-Rs, this is what I was referring to. By "overburning", do you mean trying to get more than 80 minutes on an 80 minute CD-R? Otherwise, a %30 failure rate is mighty high. In my worst-case experiences (but dealing only with 74 minute discs, and not counting the batch that I got recently that were so cheap that i literally could see through them), I've never had a failure rate greater than %5-10. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:11:01 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: FW: CD of ECTOFEST -- Who should BENEFIT? In trade scenarios, there are no proceeds from the CD. And the $5 number is a rough roundoff from likewise, no proceeds. I think the idea of adding a $5 or $10 "donation" to each CD for the organizers is a very good idea. Let's state it that way, since there are some who wish to trade rather than pay cash. I also think that trying to hand over the responsibility for burning these to the organizers will be more of a burden than an opportunity for them. It's possible that the organizers will not condone any of the activity we're discussing. And then what? Cat's kind of out of the bag now. Might as well make the best of it for as many as we can... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:41:58 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: FW: CD of ECTOFEST -- Who should BENEFIT? I agree fully with all of this. On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 04:11:01PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > In trade scenarios, there are no proceeds from the CD. And the $5 number is > a rough roundoff from likewise, no proceeds. > > I think the idea of adding a $5 or $10 "donation" to each CD for the > organizers is a very good idea. Let's state it that way, since there are > some who wish to trade rather than pay cash. > > I also think that trying to hand over the responsibility for burning these > to the organizers will be more of a burden than an opportunity for them. > > It's possible that the organizers will not condone any of the activity we're > discussing. And then what? Cat's kind of out of the bag now. Might as well > make the best of it for as many as we can... > - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:58:21 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Helping out ectofest Hey, all-- We can also help out the organizers of ectofest by buying the remaining T-shirts, caps, bumperstickers. Apparently info about how to get them will appear shortly on the ectofest website. - --Neile n.p. Veda Hille, _you do not live in the world alone_ (yes, I'm playing it a lot--who needs other music right now?) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:48:30 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: garmarna tonight (wow) and dido on letterman thurs Hi! Greetings from the Land Of Dead Displays! The next time I want to buy a Compaq product, please shoot me. Thank you. :P Paul reviewed: >Speaking of loud live sound, Jeff Wasilko and I saw Garmarna in Somerville >at Johnny D's tonight. Ofer was also there along with various people Jeff >knew, a fellow string player from Berklee who I know, and a rather sizable, >voracious horde of Garmarna fans. What an excellent concert it was. After >all those raves this past summer, I can see that the reviews were justified. Oh, how I ENVY you. woj and I schlepped into NYC last night to see their CMJ appearance, which due to various sillinesses gave them a set of four whole songs! And the sound, in a word, sucked. It was like one giant 23-minute aural mudflat. The vocals were completely absent from the mix, and everything else was reduced to a mishmosh where occasionally I could tell that that was the hurdy-gurdy, and maybe that was a fiddle, and was that a loop or the actual drums? Sigh. But I still loved them and can't wait to see them again. I hope they play in this time zone again before I die (I talked to Rickard for a minute afterwards, and he wasn't sure if that was ever going to happen himself). Then we got to the car and discovered that some fine specimen of humanity had smashed the back window and taken, of all things, woj's bag of work clothes (I hope they're enjoying the dirty socks), not to mention the Tori "1000 Oceans" single woj had picked up on the way to the show. Fortunately they didn't find my bag under the seat, because it had Sarah Slean's new CD in it. All in all, it was a thoroughly disappointing evening. I'm buoyed by my firm belief that karma is indeed a boomerang. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:15:02 -0600 From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: garmarna tonight (wow) and dido on letterman thurs I'm looking forward to another Scandanavian band, Frifot, tomorrow night! I love their cd, but tomorrow will be the first time I see them live. Sorry about the break in, Meredith! What a way to end an evening. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:38:11 -0400 From: meredith Subject: veda hille's new cd and cd release party Hi! Those of you on trajectory can skip this one. :) I tried to send it here the other night, but my computer gave up the ghost right after I sent the trip reports out to that list... Veda Hille's latest CD, _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_ is now out! It's not up on her web site yet, though, A&B Sounds has it listed as a "special order" (which probably means it will take an Extra Special Long Time to arrive). Still, I don't think she would ignore you if you were to print out the current order form from her site and write in _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_, and enclose a check for the same amount as the other CDs. By the end of September there will be a whole new web site at www.vedahille.com. (I'm guessing that's why the current site hasn't been updated in a while.) In addition to the new album, you will also be able to procure the companion book, which contains the lyrics and additional artwork not found in the jewel booklet of the disc. Sadly, it looks like ordering this album direct or from places that have always carried her Canadian releases, like A&B Sounds is going to be the only way to get it for the time being. Due to difficulties going on at Bottom Line Records, there are no plans for an American release at this time. It's worth the trouble to get it, though. I'm starting to get used to the studio versions, and after a shaky start it's growing on me very quickly. It's strange to be already intimately familiar with every single song on a CD before you ever hear it. I have the live versions ingrained in my brain, and it's taking time to sort them out so I can deal with them not only from the studio, but in the order in which they've been placed. Plus, there is some electronic noise/noodling underlying the entire thing, which instead of enhancing the experience for me is just distracting. I'm starting to be able to get past that, though. In other, related news, yes, I really did fly to Vancouver last weekend for the express reason of attending the CD release show at the Starfish Room on Saturday night. (Veda should release albums right around my birthday every time. :) Prior to the show I met up with Neile and Jim, Damon and Laur, and Art Liestman and his wonderful wife Jan at a great Lebanese restaurant where you can literally say "one of everything, please", which is exactly what we did. After dinner we headed downtown to the Starfish Room, where I met with the friend I was staying with, who had never heard Veda before but is willing to try anything once. We got there early enough to commandeer some barstools off to the side and not too far away from the stage. Unfortunately people ended up standing right in front of us when Veda came onstage, but amazingly enough everyone sitting on the dance floor area in front of the stage remained sitting through her set, so I was able to stand on the periphery and get a pretty good view for most of the show. The evening was emceed by Veda's friend Christine Taylor. I'm not quite sure who she is or whether she does this sort of thing often, but she was really bizarre and quite funny. She came out dressed in a nurse's outfit with a toy pistol stuck into the band of one of her stockings to introduce the openers, Zubot & Dawson. I had heard of Zubot & Dawson, but I hadn't had the chance to hear them until that night. They were great. Picture Bela Fleck and the Flecktones with a fiddle instead of a banjo. If you like that sort of thing, then they're definitely worth checking out. They're both excellent musicians, who get a very high level of energy going and keep it there. They played for about 40 minutes, which went by pretty quickly because I was enjoying their set so much. After what seemed an eternity in between sets, Christine Taylor reappeared, this time in a full dominatrix outfit, with the toy pistol stuck through a band on her upper arm. After a rambling intro Veda and her Skilled And Devoted Band took the stage, and opened with "The Boy In The Woods", which also opens the album. From there the set went on something like this: Boat Ride To Skidegate/Born Lucky Veterans of Foreign Wars/The River 3xthin The Williamsburg Bridge Batterie Bellyfish Clumbsy Working/Noah's Ark All Fur Songbird aria/Killzone! Pony Bride Slumber Queen Wrong Peculiar Value (encore 1) INSTRUCTIONS Driven Shamus and Stone (with Zubot & Dawson) (encore 2 - Veda solo) You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side (the Morrissey song) 26 Years Not surprisingly, the set covered everything from the new album, and I was quite pleased with the selection of older stuff as well. Having "Boat Ride To Skidegate" go right into "Born Lucky" was a musical stroke that had me in a puddle on the floor. Then the band went and did the most kickass "Bellyfish" ever, and I was completely useless after that. Other highlights: - - Veda played "Clumbsy" on the banjo, the instrument on which it was written and recorded. (Tidbit: "Clumbsy" is spelled with the "b" because when it was first written it became Christine Taylor's favorite song, and when Veda played at her birthday party she made a written request for it and misspelled it that way.) - - The a cappella songbird aria is an as-yet-unrecorded piece which was commissioned by someone, I think for a film (though I may be misremembering that). It consists of Veda singing in the style of the indigenous British Columbian songbirds, and as the piece goes on you realize that not only is she singing words, but they're lyrics and they tell a story. It's incredible. (The first few lines are: "Heeere, sweetsweet... Heeeere, sweetsweet, chickadee chickadee sweetsweet sorrow ...") I was amused to see her run that straight into "Killzone" (the most kickass song she's ever written) again, like she did at the Vancouver Folk Festival - that just works SO well. It's jarring and subversive and makes everyone jump about a foot when it happens. I love it. - - "Shamus And Stone" was the surprise of the night. I'd never heard her play it before, and Zubot & Dawson added just the right touches with their fiddle and steel guitar, respectively. I usually skip over that track on _Spine_, coming as it does at the end of the album and it's never really done much for me, but live it was a revelation. - - The second, solo encore was a delight. I didn't recognize the Morrissey song as such, but I knew it was a cover. Then when that was done she was noodling at the piano obviously trying to decide what to play, and into that moment of indecision I tossed out a request for "26 Years", which she immediately launched into. I was really happy -- I'd been thinking to myself that that song was the only thing missing from the evening, and others in the room were obviously happy to hear it as well. Personnel-wise, there weren't any surprises - I'd sort of been thinking some people besides the Skilled And Devoted Band might show up, it being a hometown show and all, but it remained just Ford Pier, Barry Murachnick, and Martin Walton backing Veda up. Not that there was anything wrong with that, of course. :) Ford managed to play every instrument on the stage over the course of the set, including French Horn and melodica at various points. He never ceases to amaze me. (My friend and I agreed that French horn must have been the instrument he was forced to play in high school marching band. ;) All in all, it was the best show I've seen Veda et al. do. They were on, they were having a good time, and simply everything, even the really quiet numbers like "Batterie" kicked in their own ways. Plus, it was a different experience for me, to be in a room with at least 400 other people who were there just to see Veda play. (I'm used to maybe 40 tops, in NYC.) My friend said she really liked it, and I know she wasn't just saying that. Fortunately for me, Veda had gotten the advance warning woj had sent that I was coming, so she didn't freak out or anything. She said she's saving the restraining order for the next time. ;) Neile, Jim and Art, it was great to see you all again -- and Damon and Laur, it was wonderful to finally meet you! Neil K., sorry we missed each other, though it sounds like you were having a fine time of your own. (Note to the New York area folk: no Veda shows for us until at least November. Sigh. :P) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:16:59 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: garmarna tonight (wow) etc. meth wrote re Garmarna: >woj and I schlepped into NYC last night to see their >CMJ appearance, which due to various sillinesses gave them a set of four >whole songs! And the sound, in a word, sucked. I'm sorry to hear that, even though it makes me feel less bad for having missed a show I really wanted to see. Plus it really sucks that your computer's hosed and your car was broken into. (Silly me was beginning to forget that that kind of thing can still happen in New York City.) Would you like to just go back and start this week over? Paul who was at the Anna Sui show last night in Bryant Park courtesy of vogue.com, my current project (and guess whose--unrecognizably small--image wound up on the cover of vogue.com this morning?). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:23:31 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Here Comes the Flood Watching the local CT 11:00 news, one of the problem areas in this state is Danbury. Fairly bad flooding on Federal Road, a few miles east of our ectofest location. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:07:55 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: garmarna tonight (wow) and dido on letterman thurs At 6:15 PM -0600 9/16/99, Ellen Rawson wrote: >I'm looking forward to another Scandanavian band, Frifot, tomorrow >night! I love their cd, but tomorrow will be the first time I see them >live. I saw Frifot earlier in the year and they were breathtaking. You will have a great time tomorrow! I just came back from seeing Low. They played a pretty short set, but hey, a little Low goes a long way. All in all, pretty good, but not overwhelming. neal np: Anthology - The Vapors ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: "softly" single (was lamb gigs) > anyone get their "softly" single yet? Has it even been released yet? === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #311 **************************