From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #281 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, August 20 1999 Volume 05 : Number 281 Today's Subjects: ----------------- opinions ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] odds and ends ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] STINA, FLOURINE, JILL SOBULE [Irvin Lin ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Swedish bands ["Markku Kolkka" ] Sanna Kurki-Suonio (was Re: Swedish bands) [Juha Sorva ] blank discs ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Happy in SF [Jerene Waite ] RE: blank discs ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] SF Happy [Tamar Boursalian ] Re: SF Happy [Neile Graham ] Re: STINA, FLOURINE, JILL SOBULE [KBolin0418@aol.com] Re: SF Happy [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: SF Happy [Bill ] Re: odds and ends [Yngve Hauge ] Re: SFgigs/Paula Cole/Swedish bands/Yungchen & Happy [Joseph Zitt ] Paul Cole Critisim ["Drew Harrington" ] RE: blank discs [Greg Dunn ] a positive take on paula cole [FAMarcus@aol.com] Free jewel boxes (costs postage, though) [Neile Graham ] Re: Free jewel boxes (costs postage, though) [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Paul(a) Cole Critisim [Joseph Zitt ] RE: blank discs [Joe Casadonte ] CD lenths (was Re: Paul(a) Cole Critisim) [Michael Curry ] Re: blank discs [Michael Curry ] Paul Cole Critisim (sic) [Greg Dunn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:03:16 EDT From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: opinions Okay, let me try to explain. As for the Indigo Girls, I just find that too many guest artists does not bode well for an album. I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule. I'm not going to try to think of any , but I'm sure lots of you could name exceptions. For right now, I'll just assume there are exceptions because there are exceptions to everything. As for Paula... It just sounds weird to me. 62-piece orchestras and rappers and dj's scratching on different songs.... maybe that's only 3 songs (but that is 1/3 of the album. I think somebody related to her (manager or something) talked about her going "all over the place" on the album (i believe that's quoted in the ICE magazine article) and it's more THAT that I'm "afraid" of (not the word I want, but I can't think of a better one) than the particulars of what she's experimenting with. So it's not a race thing. It wouldn't make a difference if it was a polka band instead of a rapper; it just seems weird to me. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the race thing at all. I only included my sister's comment because I thought it was so funny because she was mostly joking and I guess late at night my manic side tends to flare up and think "How can we get people's attention?" That said, I think experimentation is healthy and important and good. Even if I (or whatever audience) doesn't like the end result, if the artist is truly exploring and growing, then I think it's good even if I think the album or book or whatever it is is "bad". So many times fans want to stifle artists (Tori, Ani for example) and keep them doing the same kind of music. I admire artists that take risks and do what they want/need to do, even if it's not what the fans want, not what drives big hit records and big sales. Of course, people don't need to drastically change their style or go totally commercial in order to grow and challenge themselves, and I think fans are often right about commercialized success "ruining" artists. Maybe it's a protective instinct I have. I thought Harbinger and This Fire were really cohesive albums. Particularly TF. And that is part of its magic for me. I don't think it's a safe album. And I always found Paula very honest as an artist, which is also part of her appeal for me. Both on her albums and when I saw her at the 97 Lilith Fair in NJ. I don't mean that I think that this album is not honest or not her. I don't think certain groups "own" certain music (or other) styles or the right to talk about certain events or issues. Anyway, I have much more to say, but this is getting rather long and I think much faster than I type anyway. Maybe Come On Now Social and Amen will be 2 great albums. I certainly hope so. Though yes, I doubt it. But I would love to be proved wrong. And even if I don't like it, if some listener and/or the artists get something out of it, then I certainly like that. As for intolerance... Yes, I probably did sound intolerant. If you knew me, you would know that I am one of the most accepting people out there. (to me, acceptance is past tolerance). I hope you will all have the chance to learn that. JoAnn >From: "glenn mcdonald" >To: >Subject: Re: new Paula Cole/Indigo Girls >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:28:33 -0400 > >JoAnn says: > > Well, from the sounds of it, I think I'm now mostly dreading these 2 > > new albums. Have these 3 people gone utterly insane? > >White musicians enlisting a few black guest stars is a sign of utter >insanity? That's quite an intolerant streak you've got showing. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:14:30 EDT From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: odds and ends A few things: I got blank cd's today for $10 each. 74 minutes. Is that pretty standard? Kay Cleaves-- could you send me your address privately? I'd like to send those cd's to you for a copy of the Siberry compilation. Does anyone remember a netzine called Muse: The Journal of Women in Music. (or something similar) It was really cool and that was where I was introduced to the Moon 7 Times and other cool artists, and then it disappeared. I don't know if it's still somewhere and has a new name or if it's forever gone, but I was wondering if someone knew. Can't remember what else. Good night. JoAnn np: Jonatha Brooke Live _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:27:38 -0700 From: Irvin Lin Subject: STINA, FLOURINE, JILL SOBULE > On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Marcel Rijs wrote: > > > I'm looking for some Swedish, perhaps Norwegian stuff (I like the > > language although I can't understand what they're on about...) in a > > slightly poppy vein. > > Hi! > > Let me recommend Stina Nordenstam....You might have heard "Little Star" > from "and she closed her eyes" album which got a bit airplay on the > Finnish radio stations. hi. i had to chime in that i love STINA NORDENSTAM, but i wouldn't quite put her in that slightly poppy vein. CHARLEY turned me on to her (hi CHARLEY!) awhile ago, and her first album MEMORIES OF COLORS is probably her most accessible. each album after that (SHE CLOSED HER EYES and DYNAMITE) get progressively more disturbing, though they are quite excellent. in some ways i would probably compare her to JANE SIBERRY or KATE BUSH, but only in the way she seems a very cerebral sort of songwriter. playing with songstructure and interesting, yet disturbing themes. MEMORIES OF COLORS is quite beautiful though, and there are songs on it that would certainly appeal to most ECTOPHILES. beautiful sad and intelligent are probably the best descriptive words of the album. i have yet to track down her latest one PEOPLE ARE STRANGE. but eventually i will bite the bullet and buy it on import. ugh. too bad EAST WEST isn't releasing her albums here domestic anymore. for more info about STINA check out http://www.intimate.org/stina/index.html though be warned you need to have a high end java/shockwave capable browser to view it. if you like that sort of fancy shmancy thing though, it is quite well done. you also might have heard the song LITTLE STAR because it was featured in the soundtrack for WILLIAMS SHAKESPEARE'S ROMEO AND JULIET, you know, the movie featuring CLAIRE DANES, and that pretty much launched another SWEDISH group THE CARDIGANS career here in the states with their smash hit LOVEFOOL. i have heard good things about a swedish band called FLOURINE. kinda CARDIGAN-ish. anyone have info on them? and finally. JILL SOBULE got dropped by ATLANTIC awhile ago, but she is still around making songs. apparently she contributed a song to a soundtrack recently. does anyone know the name of the soundtrack, and if her song is worth tracking down? also for those interested, check out her website http://www.jillsobule.com in which she has some mp3's of unrelease songs of hers. including the brilliant songs LUCY AT THE GYM. cheers thanks a lot irvin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************ Martin Dougiamas (m.dougiamas@info.curtin.edu.au) ************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Kerry White Wed August 22 1951 Exact Leo/Virgo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:44:08 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Markku Kolkka" Subject: Re: Swedish bands lanblind@teleport.com wrote: > And as for Swedish/Scando bands, have you already talked about the fab fab > amazing Headengarna (sounds like Head in a garden) Simply amazing. Earlier > albums feature folk mixed with rock/eclectic, amazing female singers and > harmonies, very tribal, third cd is just the guys, all trance ravey and > also incrediably great. The women are back on their latest album "Karelia Visa" (well actually only Sanna Kurki-Suonio is back, Tellu Paulasto has been replaced by Anita Lehtola). > I would love all of their works, if I could. Have > copies of those two, "HEATHENS", with the girls singing, and the next one, > name escapes me right now. Can find these or order at Tower, I believe. There are five albums, the titles are "Hedningarna", "Kaksi!", "Trä", "Hippjokk" and "Karelia Visa". BTW. the correct spelling of their name is Hedningarna. - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:32 +0300 From: Juha Sorva Subject: Sanna Kurki-Suonio (was Re: Swedish bands) Hello, On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Markku Kolkka wrote: > The women are back on their latest album "Karelia Visa" (well actually > only Sanna Kurki-Suonio is back, Tellu Paulasto has been replaced by > Anita Lehtola). For the record - after making _Karelia Visa_ with Hedningarna and singing on the promo tour, Sanna Kurki-Suonio left the band last spring as well, to pursue her solo career. She's now been replaced by yet another Finnish singer, Liisa Matveinen. Sanna, Tellu and Anita all played/sang in a band called Loituma before joining Hedningarna. Loituma's music is quite traditional, acoustic stuff with lots of singing and kantele (=Finnish zither/harp). Sanna Kurki-Suonio's solo album _Musta_ is quite different from the things she's done with Hedningarna (or Loituma). The focus is on her voice, which is used in many ways - lots of layering. I'm not a huge fan, but it's nice enough stuff, and she and her band are not bad live, either. Juha n.p. Mike Oldfield: _Amarok_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:56:08 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: odds and ends >>> I got blank cd's today for $10 each. 74 minutes. Is that pretty standard? I hope that's a misprint. Blank CDRs in computer stores go for about $2 each. It's not unusual to find a 10 pack on sale for $10-$15. The blank CDs for sale in music stores tend to be higher. I know of no difference between them and the computer grade ones. Blank CDRWs (the ReWritable kind) used to be about $10 each a year ago, but now they're down to the $5-$7 range, or better, if you shop around. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:19:38 EDT From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: blank discs Wow! I'm glad I posted. I'd never bought blank cd's before, so I had no idea what price they would be, though I figured it sounded expensive. Good thing I haven't opened them yet. They're going back to the store today. :) And yep, they're cd-recordable. The re-writables they had in 3 packs for $54.99. And by the way, never buy blank cd's at Tops. JoAnn np: Tori Under The Pink >From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" > > >>> I got blank cd's today for $10 each. 74 minutes. Is that pretty >standard? >I hope that's a misprint. Blank CDRs in computer stores go for about $2 >each. It's not unusual to find a 10 pack on sale for $10-$15. > >The blank CDs for sale in music stores tend to be higher. I know of no >difference between them and the computer grade ones. > >Blank CDRWs (the ReWritable kind) used to be about $10 each a year ago, but >now they're down to the $5-$7 range, or better, if you shop around. > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:56:19 -0700 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Happy in SF Let me be first to lead the San Diego contingent to EctoWest! PS Kristy Thirsk actually came to San Diego this week. There may have been ten in the audience who paid for the show. Is that why nobody comes here? Anyway, the masses were right. Kristy's voice is so incredibly beautiful and strong, but there wasn't much music. Even when she was accompanying herself fairly quietly on guitar, I had to keep telling myself that it is difficult to sing so discordant with your accompaniment and that she is really intending to make the sound I'm hearing. But it didn't help. It was a disappointment and I played Shiver on the way home. - --Jerene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:08:01 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: blank discs I'm glad you posted too. You were probably wondering, how does he sell Ectopia for five bucks when the media costs twice that? Years ago the RIAA made a squawk about copyright infringement by home tapers. In order to shut their lawyers up, the major blank tape manufacturers added a surcharge to their blanks and paid off the RIAA for "potential" copyright infringement losses. My guess is that this surcharge exists for blank CDs. It may be higher since the assumption is they make perfect digital copies. They're assuming you are using one of those home CD burners like Philips makes, like a dubbing cassette deck but with 2 CD slots, one for source and one for blank. It can only make audio CDs. The original purpose of CDRs for computers though was data storage and backup. As such, the RIAA had no say there. However the media is the same for data or audio. A laser pit is a laser pit, a binary one among zeroes. Whether its music or data depends on the softare interpreting the pits (aka bits). Plus, computer users go thru them like water, so supply and demand has lowered the bulk price for those marked as blank data CDs. The audio only ones do not have anywhere near the demand. But they're the same exact thing, just higher priced. If you shop the net or the back pages of computer magazines you'll get the best prices, but if you want to go home with them today you'll do fine at an office store like Staples, Office Max or Office Depot. Might as well get a box of 10, even without a burner they're good to have around for trading. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: SF Happy Hi, all, Cyoakha polled: > PS If we can get Happy here, how many SFectoheads will come out??? Even though I live in Seattle now, there's a good chance I would come down to see Happy in SF, if not only for the "I won't believe it until I've seen it" factor. ;) I've pretty much decided to come down for Emily Bezar's record release party on October 16 (just have to get the ticket), so maybe I'll see some of you there! Have a great weekend, Tamar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:26:21 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: SF Happy Tamar wrote: >Cyoakha polled: >> PS If we can get Happy here, how many SFectoheads will come out??? > >Even though I live in Seattle now, there's a good chance I would come down >to see Happy in SF, if not only for the "I won't believe it until I've >seen it" factor. ;) Like Tamar said, though we're in Seattle, I'm sure we'd come down to SF for this if it's at all economically and work-vacation time feasible. On the off-season the flights from Seattle to SF run about $125...I'd pay that to see Happy live. - --Neile P.S. See, Tamar? A response! n.p. Sorten Muld, _Mark II_ (A Danish trad/ectopic group I heard about on N/APR's _The World_ radio show) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:21:00 EDT From: KBolin0418@aol.com Subject: Re: STINA, FLOURINE, JILL SOBULE In a message dated 99-08-20 04:07:00 EDT, iflin@sirius.com writes: << and finally. JILL SOBULE got dropped by ATLANTIC awhile ago, but she is still around making songs. apparently she contributed a song to a soundtrack recently. does anyone know the name of the soundtrack, and if her song is worth tracking down? also for those interested, check out her website http://www.jillsobule.com in which she has some mp3's of unrelease songs of hers. including the brilliant songs LUCY AT THE GYM. >> The movie is Mystery Men. I haven't heard it but others say it's great. Jill will be putting out a live album early next year (?) but I don't know which label. Saw her w/ Mary Lou Lord opening at the Knitting Factory a few weeks ago - excellent show! Jill brought her mom onstage to sing "Big Shoes" with her (about when she had to wear orthopedic shoes as a kid) and had the Jillettes onstage singing backup with her for a couple of songs. They were 3 high school girls (fans) who used to sing at her gigs sometimes a few years ago. What hams - they stole the show! Good singers though. If anyone is interested in being on Jill's mailing list here's the link: Jill Sobule-Mike's Page On a Happy note...I saw my first (Finally!!!) Happy gig at the Tin Angel in July and was truly awstricken. How can she just open her mouth and that sound comes out, why can't the rest of us do that?!! Even after hearing her records for years, it was quite an experience hearing/seeing it live. Was very impressed with Bon solo too. His music reminded me of a Chicago band called Out in Worship. No women in that band but Ectophiles might like their music: welcome to perishable records Back to lurkmode, Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: SF Happy On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Neile Graham wrote: > Like Tamar said, though we're in Seattle, I'm sure we'd come down to SF for > this if it's at all economically and work-vacation time feasible. On the > off-season the flights from Seattle to SF run about $125...I'd pay that to > see Happy live. Since a lot of the west coasters are chiming in on this thread, let me just say "me too," and what's more, I promise I'll bring at least half a dozen friends. If every Bay Area ectophile can convince 5-6 pals to give Happy a chance, we should have a fairly decent crowd...*and* a lot of new Happy fans and CD/merchandise sales, most likely! A thought: Emily Bezar opening for Happy. Be still my heart! - --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california trow@slip.net * www.interbridge.com np: Juliana Hatfield, BED ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Re: SF Happy I too would make the trek from Bellingham (north of Seattle, south of Vancouver) to SF (where I used to live) to see Happy live. Of course, meeting other ectophiles from the Bay Area and the Pacific Northwest would be the icing on the cake. - - Bill (not Alder, not Mazur, but Gill) :) On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Neile Graham wrote: > Tamar wrote: > > >Cyoakha polled: > >> PS If we can get Happy here, how many SFectoheads will come out??? > > > >Even though I live in Seattle now, there's a good chance I would come down > >to see Happy in SF, if not only for the "I won't believe it until I've > >seen it" factor. ;) > > Like Tamar said, though we're in Seattle, I'm sure we'd come down to SF for > this if it's at all economically and work-vacation time feasible. On the > off-season the flights from Seattle to SF run about $125...I'd pay that to > see Happy live. > > --Neile > > P.S. See, Tamar? A response! > n.p. Sorten Muld, _Mark II_ (A Danish trad/ectopic group I heard about on > N/APR's _The World_ radio show) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: odds and ends Hi you all, Just wanted to reply to this one : > Does anyone remember a netzine called Muse: The Journal of Women in Music. > (or something similar) It was really cool and that was where I was > introduced to the Moon 7 Times and other cool artists, and then it > disappeared. I don't know if it's still somewhere and has a new name or if > it's forever gone, but I was wondering if someone knew. > The muse magazine is at http://www.val.net/muse/ Latest issue is from May this year. I used to read this myself, but as I haven't for a while I didn't know it was gone (or moved or whatever it was). Thanks for making me look for it ... Btw ... looks like there are lots of interesting sites linked from http://www.servtech.com/~mvail/women.html *hugs* - -- Yngve n.p. Veda Hille - Spine n.r. CJ Cherryh - Visible Lights ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:15 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: SFgigs/Paula Cole/Swedish bands/Yungchen & Happy On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 10:53:38PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > I have to agree on everything Cy is saying here. I really liked Paula much more > when I first saw her with Peter. She was charming and much more uneffected. I > do have a soft spot in my heart for her no matter what she does though. That's > because her birthday falls right in between Billi's and my birthdays. Oddly, what caused my ears to spin forward and listen to her would probably be considered one of those "affected" performances that people don't like as much: her live recording of "Mississippi" that opens the first Lilith Fair disc. Stylized and overblown as it might be, I love it. n.p. Chicago Underground Trio: Possible Cube n.r. Samuel R Delany: Times Square Blue / Times Square Red - -- |> "The only thing that is not art is inattention" --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:26:25 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: odds and ends On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:14:30AM -0400, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > A few things: > > I got blank cd's today for $10 each. 74 minutes. Is that pretty standard? Assuming these are American dollars... Ouch. If you want some to just toss tunes onto without a critical need for archiving, you can find them around here (at MicroCenter, for example) for less than $1 each in pack of 50. Jewel boxes may cost you another 19 cents apiece. For the good, archival quality name brand CD-Rs with good packaging, etc, it may cost as much as $3 apiece. - -- |> "The only thing that is not art is inattention" --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:12:22 -0700 From: "Drew Harrington" Subject: Paul Cole Critisim Paul "put your favorite quote here" Kim said: [about Paula Cole's new album Amen] > Everything I said was said in seriousness. Even the part about 9 > tracks on the album. I do believe that a pop artist should put at > LEAST 10 tracks on an album This seems the most rediculously superficial of complaints - especially when you haven't even heard the album. Yes, you will probably have the same complaint after you've heard it, but still... Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: RE: blank discs "Foghorn J Fornorn said:" > > My guess is that this surcharge exists for blank CDs. It may be higher since > the assumption is they make perfect digital copies. They're assuming you are > using one of those home CD burners like Philips makes, like a dubbing > cassette deck but with 2 CD slots, one for source and one for blank. It can > only make audio CDs. There are differences between the audio and computer CDRs. Audio CDRs have a header which marks them "audio-only" and the consumer standalone CD burners will NOT accept the computer CDRs. This allegedly justifies the higher surcharge on the audio CDRs, since "obviously" they're only being used to pirate audio recordings. Grr. If you want to edit, compile, or change the audio data before burning a CD, the best solution is still a computer, CD burner peripheral, and a good software package. Computer CDR burners don't care if you use the cheap media or the expensive. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:40:07 EDT From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: a positive take on paula cole After reading all this criticism of Paula Cole i had to respond by saying that I was one of the people who thought her second album was one of my favorites of that year. also her live performance was one of my favorites of the year. and seeing her in concert i noticed that she was very animated but i found that more charming than annoying. it seemed to me that she was excited by her new found fame and attention. the audience loved her and i thought she was feeding off of it. it's very exciting when a persons life begins to change in a positive direction and thats all i was feeling from her. but the two albums, for me at least, that brings back that winter in my life is Fiona Apples Tidal and Paula Coles This Fire. You all can continue with your negative coments ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:08:11 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Free jewel boxes (costs postage, though) Joseph Zitt wrote: >Assuming these are American dollars... Ouch. If you want some to just >toss tunes onto without a critical need for archiving, you can find them >around here (at MicroCenter, for example) for less than $1 each in >pack of 50. Jewel boxes may cost you another 19 cents apiece. For the good, >archival quality name brand CD-Rs with good packaging, etc, it may cost >as much as $3 apiece. If anyone ever wants any jewel boxes--let us know. You can have hundreds just for the postage costs from Seattle to wherever you are. Since we don't store many of our discs in jewel boxes, we always have lots to give to the library. We even throw out hundreds of boxes that are cracked or have stickers on them that we can't remove without nasty chemicals. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:14:11 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Free jewel boxes (costs postage, though) On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 01:08:11PM -0700, Neile Graham wrote: > If anyone ever wants any jewel boxes--let us know. You can have hundreds > just for the postage costs from Seattle to wherever you are. > > Since we don't store many of our discs in jewel boxes, we always have lots > to give to the library. We even throw out hundreds of boxes that are > cracked or have stickers on them that we can't remove without nasty > chemicals. Yeah, since you and others turned me on to the CD sleeves, quite a pile of boxes has been building in my closet as I gradually convert them (changing over CDs in conventional single-disc boxes for artists of whom I have multiple discs, leaving one disc in a still usefully-spined state for easier visual spotting). Maybe we should ship them all to a central location and build a clubhouse :-) - -- |> "The only thing that is not art is inattention" --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:40:21 -0400 From: Paul Kim Subject: Re: Paul(a) Cole Critisim At 12:12 PM 8/20/99 -0700, Drew Harrington wrote: >Paul "put a random quote here" Kim said: [about Paula Cole's new album >Amen] > >> Everything I said was said in seriousness. Even the part about 9 >> tracks on the album. I do believe that a pop artist should put at >> LEAST 10 tracks on an album > >This seems the most rediculously superficial of complaints - especially when >you haven't even heard the album. Yes, you will probably have the same >complaint after you've heard it, but still... I dunno...i could probably come up with even more superficial complaints ;) I guess you can just color me superficial, then. When _Surfacing_ came out, I felt that it was such a slacker of an album even before I bought it because it had 10 songs on it, one of which was several years old (full of grace), and another of which was just an instrumental. I still bought it because it was a Sarah album. But if it had been someone who i was less enthused about, I would have passed. If given a choice between two albums that I'm equally unsure about and which I have not sampled, I will choose the album that is longer. Maybe i've just been brainwashed to expect to see the usual listing of 11-14 tracks on the back of a jewel box. Perhaps, I just want to feel like I'm getting my money's worth. Damn, I'm proving my arguement of the mindset that "Bigger is better". Curse you, Godzilla! how about this? 9 tracks is close to bordering on the length of an EP? hmm...nah, not that great an arguement...ummm...the idea that numbers shouldn't be applied to art in this case because Paula Cole is a mainstream successful artist? no...Paula Cole isn't the same thing as Backstreet Boys...you don't know how fame has or hasn't changed her passion for music...and plus, look at Sting...he's wildly successful and still has scads of art up the wazoo. I don't know why Paula and whoever else was in on the decision making decided to stick just 9 tracks on the album. I'll just have to wait and see. But something about a breakthrough artist releasing her long-awaited follow up to her major label smash that spun out a handful of hit singles and imprinted her in the ears of the general public, and using elements on the new album that would appear to facilitate a broader appeal kinda spooks me. I could be talking about Jewel's _Spirit_ album, couldn't I? Except Paula's hotly anticipated album, expected to satiate the eager fans and the record company, has only 9 songs. It just flummoxes me. I'll try to shut up now. Honest :) Paul "controlled composition at %75 statutory mechanical rate" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:59:46 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Paul(a) Cole Critisim Based utterly on what I've been reading on the list (and not even on hearing either of Paula Cole's other albums in its entirety)... it seem that she's going for a wide variety of arrangements and styles here. I have little doubt that she's probably put as much work into these nine songs as someone who might do a simpler recording (say, a standard voice/guitar/bass/drums putting down tunes they've already nailed down live) might put into doing twice as many. I'm not talking about compositionally, but in terms of getting a recording of the needed scope and complexity. We also don't know how much material she has in the can that didn't quite fit with the other tunes. Sculpting an album out of a collection of songs isn't easy. Remember also that in the not-too-long-ago vinyl era, most albums ran from 30-50 minutes. That's why there's room for bonus tracks nowadays. And I can't count the number of times i've heard "This was a good double album that would have been a great single album". ("Why, when I was a lad, they used to make us wait twenty years to hear a 45 from a band, and the B-side was the sound of the band belching, and we were grateful dammit!") - -- |> "The only thing that is not art is inattention" --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:01:08 -0400 From: Joe Casadonte Subject: RE: blank discs At 12:08 PM 8/20/99 , Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: >If you shop the net or the back pages of computer magazines you'll get the >best prices, but if you want to go home with them today you'll do fine at an >office store like Staples, Office Max or Office Depot. Might as well get a >box of 10, even without a burner they're good to have around for trading. One of the best prices I've found is Terrapin Tapes (http://www.ttapes.com), where Mitsui's are $1.55 each (Mitsui is one of the best brands available). If you want cheap but dependable, go with Hi-Val. I only had 3 in 75 fail on me (not bad for cheap media), and they only cost $1.00 a piece. I can find them in CompUSA stores in boxes of 10 or 100. Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html Perl Book Buying Guide => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlbooks.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html Music CD Trading => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/cdr.html - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live Free, that's the message! - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:07:13 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: CD lenths (was Re: Paul(a) Cole Critisim) At 04:40 PM 8/20/99 -0400, Paul Kim wrote: >I guess you can just color me superficial, then. When _Surfacing_ came >out, I felt that it was such a slacker of an album even before I bought it >because it had 10 songs on it, one of which was several years old (full of >grace), and another of which was just an instrumental. I still bought it >because it was a Sarah album. But if it had been someone who i was less >enthused about, I would have passed. I've found this discussion to be a bit... umm... bizarre, mainly because it points out that the number of tracks on an album is apparently something I've never given even the slightest thought to. I get annoyed sometimes when an album is too short, but that's always short in terms of time not some arbitrary number of songs on the CD. Strange. Mike np: Natalie MacMaster -- My Roots Are Showing [which I finally broke down and ordered from a Canadian source, since apparently those fools as Warner are never going to release it in the US... it is a great CD... very like her first two albums but with slightly better sound quality and even Natalie playing even skillfully!] nr: Otherland: River of Blue Fire by Tad Williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:12:53 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: blank discs At 11:19 AM 8/20/99 -0400, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: >Wow! I'm glad I posted. I'd never bought blank cd's before, so I >had no idea what price they would be, though I figured it sounded >expensive. Good thing I haven't opened them yet. They're going back to >the store today. :) >And yep, they're cd-recordable. The re-writables they had in 3 packs >for $54.99. > >And by the way, never buy blank cd's at Tops. Wow... these guys sound like some real ripoff artists. I hope for that much they were at least trying to sell a well-known brand. Personally I'm fond of TDK for both CD-Rs and CD-RWs, but I think you can do well with any of the major brands (with the possible exception of Memorex, which I've heard bad things about from some sources). Yes, you can get brands you've never heard of for a bit less, but I don't think the difference in price is worth it. Mike np: Natalie MacMaster -- My Roots Are Showing [which I finally broke down and ordered from a Canadian source, since apparently those fools as Warner are never going to release it in the US... it is a great CD... very like her first two albums but with slightly better sound quality and even Natalie playing even skillfully!] nr: Otherland: River of Blue Fire by Tad Williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Paul Cole Critisim (sic) > Paul "put your favorite quote here" Kim said: [about Paula Cole's new album > Amen] > > > Everything I said was said in seriousness. Even the part about 9 > > tracks on the album. I do believe that a pop artist should put at > > LEAST 10 tracks on an album "The food here is so AWFUL." "Yes... and they give you such small portions!!" :-) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #281 **************************