From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #263 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, August 4 1999 Volume 05 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lino ["Tim Finney" ] Re: Lists, lists, lists: SPIN's 90 of the 90s ["Tim Finney" ] Re: ecto-digest V5 #262 ["Paul Huesman" ] Re: Lists, lists, lists: SPIN's 90 of the 90s [Joshua Smith ] Re: E-Bow question [jjh969@juno.com] Re: songs about songwriters [Jack Sutton ] Between set music & Happy covers [Tamar Boursalian ] Re: songwriters writing about songwriters [Zoetrope ] Re: songwriters writing about songwriters [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Fwd: Samite [Joseph Zitt ] Re: songwriters writing about songwriters ["Larry G." ] RE: Fwd: Samite ["Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)" ] Phil Ochs [J Wermont ] Re: Life is Rock... [Joseph Zitt ] Samite album response [Michael Pearce ] speedathon songs? [J Wermont ] Sarah Slean [Steve I ] paul kim has a new email address [Paul Kim ] Windham Hill damage control (?) ["Kathy Clark" ] Jessica Weiser - new album info and more! [Songbird22@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:15:44 +1000 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Re: Lino - ---------- >From: Andrew Fries >To: Ecto >Subject: Re: A Piece of String >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:47 AM > >The clip is in a realaudio video format, used brutal > compression and sounded absolutely awful on my system - but what I > managed to hear sounded more like Natalie Imbruglia than Portishead to my > ears. I've heard a few songs and I'd say this is half-right. Lino are an Australian "trip-hop" group, but I use that in the loosest sense of the word i.e. female vocals over sparse electronic backgrounds mixed in with a few acoustic instruments (ie. like some Natalie). The singles are quite poppy and meloncholy, but I'd also add that they sound a lot more intelligent and cooler than Natalie, while not at all like the hip-hop-noir-torch-song theatrics of Portishead. More like Everything But The Girl's latest incarnation, or maybe Hoover/Hooverphonic? I quite liked their first single "Troubleshooting", and their new one "Crushed", after having heard it once, seems to start of countryish and end up as a big electronic pop anthem... Although that was only my first impression. Anyway, I've heard that the album is pretty good, but is often criticised for being too cold (again, like Hoover). Hope this helps. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:23:47 +1000 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Re: Lists, lists, lists: SPIN's 90 of the 90s - ---------- >From: Mark Lowry >To: Ecto >Subject: Lists, lists, lists: SPIN's 90 of the 90s >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 2:55 PM > > 2. The list was way too heavy on electronica. I mean, yes, there's some > worthy stuff on there (like Aphex Twin), but to put the new Basement > Jaxx at #45? We're talking important albums, right? So far Basement Jaxx's "Remedy" has been my favourite album this year, and is FULLY deserving its #45 listing, especially considering some of the dreck placed ahead of it. Why is "Remedy" important? Because it single-handedly revives house from its backwards, directionless, formulaic rut, just when all the other big dance genres (jungle, pure techno, trance etc.) seem to be slowing down and losing their way. It is also one of the only albums I have which sounds flawless at home *and* on the dancefloor. The songs are catchy, funny and inventive, and the production is amazing. Listen to "Yo-Yo" and catch the way that the riffy, bass driven chorus disintegrates and collapses while you listen, only to relentlessly hit back in a new arrangement. Or the way "Rendez-vu" combines vocoders, house beats and flamenco guitars with a Prince-like lushness, or how "Red Alert" got in to the UK top 10 with a chorus sung by cats. "Don't Give Up" is almost beatless, and yet is more menacing than any hip-hop, hard techno or jungle I've heard in ages. What can I say? "Remedy" *is* the remedy for everything that's rotten about music in '99, and is the most important, most interesting and most enjoyable album you'll hear this year. #45 is crazy - its far too low. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:23:35 +0200 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Re: Songs about singer/songwriters Hi, This is probably of no use to you at all, but I thought I'd mention this. Dutch singer Frank Boeijer recorded a song with his Group in 1989 called "Robert Zimmerman". It's dedicated to - of course - Bob Dylan, and tells of how Frank used to listen to Bob Dylan when he was young, and wondering where he is now, when times are still "a-changing". Since the song is in Dutch you may not be interested but I thought I'd mention it. Kind regards, Marcel Rijs marcel.rijs@konbib.nl (work) mfgr@casema.net (private) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:45:40 -0500 From: "Paul Huesman" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #262 Paul Huesman@BSSBNOTES 08/04/99 07:45 AM Lastly, songs I'd love to hear Happy cover: "Angel in the Morning" Tracy Chapman's "Baby Can I Hold You" Peter Murphy's "Marlene Dietrich's Favourite Poem" And hey, has she ever done the entire "Running Up That Hill", besides the snippet in the _RhodeSongs_ version of "Feed the Fire"? Any other cover ideas for Happy? I'd love to hear her do: Moving In Stereo - The Cars Entangled - Genesis Delius ("Ta ta TAAAAAaaa") - Kate December Will Be Magic - Kate Close to the Edge - Yes (um hmmm..the whole darn song) But more than anything (and I mean ANYTHING!!!!!) I'd love to here her cover THIS : http://www.hamsterdance.com/ Paul n.p. http://www.hamsterdance.com/ n.r. Confessions - Augustine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Smith Subject: Re: Lists, lists, lists: SPIN's 90 of the 90s - --- Mark Lowry wrote: > SPIN > magazine has its top 90 albums of the 90s, and there > are quite a few > ectoalbums on there: > > 87. Everything But the Girl _Walking Wounded_ If *this* album made the list, then certainly Kate Bush's "The Red Shoes" should have made the list, too! Josh _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:03:43 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: songs about songwriters On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 11:47:43PM -0500, Kay S Cleaves wrote: > The Commodores: Night Shift (mentions Marvin Gaye) Which reminds me of other old songs: Van Morrison: "Jackie Wilson Said" REM: "It's the End of the WOrld As We Know It" (mentions Lester Bangs and Leonard Bernstein, each of whom wrote songs (dunno if Leonid Brezhnev did)) Righteous Brothers: Rock and Roll Heaven Reunion: Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me) Deep Purple: Smoke on the Water (mentions Zappa and the Stones) and a much newer one: Patti Smith: About a Boy - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:23:32 -0500 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: E-Bow question E-Bow did, not too long ago, come out with a new model. It has a third setting. Whether of not this has anything to do with the liner note reference is questionable at best. I picked one up for my brother-on-law as a stocking stuffer last X-Mas. I was somewhat disappointed with it's flimsy light colored plastic construction. It think the extra setting has just a slightly different coil winding that produces a slightly altered effect. On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:17:05 -0400 "Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)" writes: >Hiya all orgasmic ectoplasmic extraverted ectophiles, >I just bought MWABT (which incidentally I am having a hard time >getting into, I like 'RA is a busy God' but the rest is eluding me) >and noticed on the credits that Kevin is credited >variously with 'Harmonic and Original E-Bow' also 'Shadow E-Bow'. >Wassup? did the E-Bow go over to the dark side? I have an original >E-Bow myself, but what does the Harmonic mean? Is Shadow a different >manufacturer? is there any difference in application or sound? > >Or is this the same deal as 'drippy bass'? > >Kevin? do you still read this stuff? > >Cheers! > >Marc. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Sutton Subject: Re: songs about songwriters Which also reminds me that Van Morrison must lead everybody in artists mentioned in songs, not only musical artists, but other artists as well such as Tennessee Williams and Christmas Humphries. Some ot the musical artists I remember mentioned are Big Bill Brunzy, Sonny Terry, Brownie McGee, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, and on and on. I once thought about compiling all the artists he mentioned, but realized it was too daunting a task. Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music www.hrmusic.com On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 11:47:43PM -0500, Kay S Cleaves wrote: > > > The Commodores: Night Shift (mentions Marvin Gaye) > > Which reminds me of other old songs: > > Van Morrison: "Jackie Wilson Said" > REM: "It's the End of the WOrld As We Know It" (mentions Lester Bangs and > Leonard Bernstein, each of whom wrote songs (dunno if Leonid Brezhnev > did)) > Righteous Brothers: Rock and Roll Heaven > Reunion: Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me) > Deep Purple: Smoke on the Water (mentions Zappa and the Stones) > > and a much newer one: > > Patti Smith: About a Boy > > -- > | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | > | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | > | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Between set music & Happy covers Hi! Just a thought here: What about playing the ecto compilation thing that y'all took such care in putting together (why can't I think of the name???) between sets at the ectofest? And I just had to comment on Mark Lowry's suggestion of "Marlene Dietrich's favorite poem" by Peter Murphy as a song for Happy to cover. What a cool idea! I love that song as well as "Strange Kind Of Love" and Happy could do killer versions of either of those songs. Okay, back to lurkdom....... - --Tamar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bluedenim Subject: Response I got from record label Here's the response I got when I wrote to that record label about Happy being credited on Samite of Uganda's latest album: She is credited... twice. Best Wishes, Sylvie Lewis is that right? -Eric === "Give me a break...Ooh, let me try! Give me something to show For my miserable life! Give me something to take! Would you break even my wings, Like a swallow?" -Kate Bush _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:38:09 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Response I got from record label This is what they said to me: Happy was given two credits on the album! Best Wishes, Sylvie Lewis Even though my initial e-mail made it clear I was referring to credit on the website, not the album itself. Patrick > Here's the response I got when I wrote to that record >label about Happy being credited on Samite of Uganda's >latest album: > > > > > >She is credited... twice. > >Best Wishes, >Sylvie Lewis > > > > > > is that right? -Eric >=== >"Give me a break...Ooh, let me try! >Give me something to show >For my miserable life! >Give me something to take! >Would you break even my wings, >Like a swallow?" > -Kate Bush >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:30:37 -0400 From: Zoetrope Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters From the soundtrack to The Band's "The Last Waltz", there's the self-referential "Stagefright", and Neil Diamond's ode to the Tin Pan Alley songwriters, "Dry Your Eyes". A thought... did Rickie Lee Jones and Tom Waites ever write anything about each other during/after their marriage? Harry Chapin has 2 that I can think of, "Old Folkie" about Pete Seeger, and "The Parade's Still Passing By" which I believe is about Phil Ochs, but not being really familiar with Phil Ochs (album title, "Pleasures of the Harbor"? song "Circle of Friends"?), I could be wrong/please advise. I always found it to be one of the more touching of Harry's obscure songs. It certainly makes a statement about the end of the whole folksinger era. Lyrics to follow, because I can't resist (even if they sound a bit schmaltzy without the Chapin charm to back them up). Speaking of Harry, I've been looking for a tape or cd copy of (ironically enough) "Legends of the Lost and Found", which is my favorite of the live Chapin recordings. Once upon a time I had a copy... double vinyl, long dead... not that I have anything to play 'records' on anymore. It featured a number of tunes that didn't work for me as studio recordings, but are delightful live. I find that happens with quite a few folk artists... IMHO, there are those who should NEVER be allowed in the studio to can their sound, they should ALWAYS record live. ~!@L. (and without further tangents, Harry Chapin) The Parade's Still Passing By I got the news today that you refused to play because you never made Number 1 But it's not just the words, it's the beats that I heard, When all is said and done You know that kings take their crowns, they melt them all down trying to get the gold out You went to hell, and even when you weren't selling You never ever sold out You were no leader, you were more like a bleeder who was trying to cry for us all You were no sage, but your sense of outrage sounded like a trumpet call Fifteen years ago in the old folkie show you were just one voice in the crowd But now with so few singing your voice would have been ringing out about twice as loud There but for fortune, Say a small circle of friends Some may see the changes But so few see the ends The pleasures of the harbor Have come to you at last You may not be marching anymore But the parade's still going past We're not taking the blame that we killed you You know you did that to yourself But it's kind of a shame that you played that game You were better than anyone else One shot of your bottle got you full throttle It's the friend that was always there But your greatest gift and the curse you lived with was that you could always care There but for fortune Say a small circle of friends Some may see the changes But so few see the ends The pleasures of the harbor Have come to you at last You may not be marching anymore But the parade's still going past ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:48:13 -0400 From: Zoetrope Subject: Re: songwriters writing... doh! and another from "The Last Waltz" (I put it in the cd player after thinking of it in the last post)... "Coyote" by Joni Mitchell, about Steven Stills ~!@L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:09:08 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:30:37PM -0400, Zoetrope wrote: > "The Parade's Still Passing By" which I believe is about Phil Ochs, but > not being really familiar with Phil Ochs (album title, "Pleasures of the > Harbor"? song "Circle of Friends"?), I could be wrong/please advise. Grab "Pleasures of the Harbor" if you can find it, or a Phil Ochs greatest hits. Were he not before most people's time, he would qualify as, at least, a lesser Ecto deity. And the arrangements on that slbum (by Loncoln Mayorga, if memory serves) are exquisite. > There but for fortune, > Say a small circle of friends > Some may see the changes > But so few see the ends > The pleasures of the harbor > Have come to you at last > You may not be marching anymore > But the parade's still going past That's a pretty good catalog to start with. Check out his songs "There But for Fortune", "A Small Circle of Friends", "Changes", "Pleasures of the Harbor", and "I'm not Marching Anymore." (Though my favorite song of his is "Crucifixion".) Check out his lyrics archive at http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics.html which also includes a song about him by Dar Williams, "All my Heroes are Dead". - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:37:32 -0400 From: Zoetrope Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters Thanks, Joseph! I'm presently browsing through this Ochs lyrics archive... I'll definately pick up "Pleasures of the Harbor", at least. I've found here that the song "Bound for Glory" is written to Woody Guthrie. This thread is rapidly becoming more & more self-referential! :) I once heard Arlo Guthrie tell an anecdote of the first time he met Bob Dylan. Arlo was a child, and answered an unexpected knock at the door, and there showed up a young Dylan, guitar slung over his shoulder, looking down at him, determinedly saying, "Where's Woody." I'd remember it too. ~!@L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:51:21 EDT From: Maeve421@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Samite - --part1_91845b8.24d9f3b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested, this is the response I got from Windham Hill (sp?) about the whole Samite-Happy-singing-not-credited-b.s. jenn - --part1_91845b8.24d9f3b9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:09:51 -0400 Received: from bmsinsun02.us.bertelsmann.com (snafu.bmsus.com [208.209.205.69]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:09:49 -0400 Received: from usbage04.bmgmusic.us.bertelsmann.com (usbage04.bag.us.bertelsmann.com [192.168.217.5] (may be forged)) by bmsinsun02.us.bertelsmann.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04050 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: WHINFO@bmge.com Received: by usbage04.bag.us.bertelsmann.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Maeve421@aol.com Subject: RE: Samite Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:04:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is Happy Rhodes and she is credited twice. Best Wishes, Sylvie Lewis > ---------- > From: Maeve421@aol.com[SMTP:Maeve421@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:14 AM > To: consumers@windham.com > Subject: Samite > > I was wandering about the Windham Hill site (I've the Celtic Requiem cd, > which is phenomenal), and was listening to the samples you have from > Samite > (I believe). On "Stars to Share", who is the female voice? It sounds > like > it might be Happy Rhodes. I'm a big fan, collecting cd's as much as I > can, > when I can. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you. > > jenn > - --part1_91845b8.24d9f3b9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: Response I got from record label So... did you write back and clarify? - --- Patrick Moseley wrote: > This is what they said to me: > > Happy was given two credits on the album! > > Best Wishes, > Sylvie Lewis > > Even though my initial e-mail made it clear I was > referring to credit on > the website, not the album itself. > > Patrick > > > Here's the response I got when I wrote to that > record > >label about Happy being credited on Samite of > Uganda's > >latest album: > > > > > > > > > > > >She is credited... twice. > > > >Best Wishes, > >Sylvie Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > is that right? -Eric > >=== > >"Give me a break...Ooh, let me try! > >Give me something to show > >For my miserable life! > >Give me something to take! > >Would you break even my wings, > >Like a swallow?" > > -Kate Bush > >_____________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:09:52 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Fwd: Samite Maybe I worry too much... but it strikes me that a) this Sylvie Lewis is missing the point about the Web versus the printed album notes, and b) this might translate into a perception on her part, and perhaps that of Windham Hill and which ever conglomerate now owns it, that Happy's fans are more trouble than they're worth, and that perhaps they might consider whether they want to work with her in the future. Is there a way that we can gently counteract this? - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:36:40 -0700 From: "Larry G." Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters Don't forget "One More Parade." And, IMHO, there would be and for me is nothing "lesser" about Phil's Deity. If y'all can get your hands on the 1997 3CD set entitled "Farewells & Fantasies" on Rhino, you'd be doing yourself a major favor. If anyone wishes that they could have a better understanding of why us old people have such a fondness for the ''60s," I can assure you that there are lots of clues in this one. Plus, the version of "The Crucifixion" is far better than the overproduced A&M version (again, IMHO). >At 03:09 PM 8/4/99 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: >>On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:30:37PM -0400, Zoetrope wrote: >>> "The Parade's Still Passing By" which I believe is about Phil Ochs, but >>> not being really familiar with Phil Ochs (album title, "Pleasures of the >>> Harbor"? song "Circle of Friends"?), I could be wrong/please advise. >> >>Grab "Pleasures of the Harbor" if you can find it, or a Phil Ochs >>greatest hits. Were he not before most people's time, he would >>qualify as, at least, a lesser Ecto deity. And the arrangements >>on that slbum (by Loncoln Mayorga, if memory serves) are exquisite. >> >>> There but for fortune, >>> Say a small circle of friends >>> Some may see the changes >>> But so few see the ends >>> The pleasures of the harbor >>> Have come to you at last >>> You may not be marching anymore >>> But the parade's still going past >> >>That's a pretty good catalog to start with. Check out his songs >>"There But for Fortune", "A Small Circle of Friends", "Changes", >>"Pleasures of the Harbor", and "I'm not Marching Anymore." >>(Though my favorite song of his is "Crucifixion".) >> >>Check out his lyrics archive at http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics.html >>which also includes a song about him by Dar Williams, "All my Heroes >>are Dead". >> >>-- >>| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:40:30 -0700 From: "Larry G." Subject: singers on songwriters/ Phil Ochs Thanks, Joe, for the link to the Phil Ochs Lyric site. It turned up this gem (which I'm not familiar with, but guess I should be): Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Steve Goodman, David Blue and Me By John Wesley Harding At night he sits alone And he's looking at the stars He listens to them playing guitars He let phil go back a long, long way they talked about marching and dying all in one day They play songs together, they sit up past the dawn I wonder why this dream goes on. Bob was there last week as well He's a quiet guy but he's got stories to tell Our hero sits and listens without asking why Teaches Bob A minor with a glint in his eye Bob used it on Hollis Brown but that was some time ago When is this dream gonna stop? Heaven knows. Then our hero picks up his guitar To play for me the only tune he knows He played it to me once He says "where's the (?), but this is how it goes Then he sings This is the only thing that really matters Keeps me going, retains my sanity The nights I spend alone when there's just Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Steve Goodman, David Blue and Me Stevie died and then David died But only to the papers that live outside Last Thursday they were in the room where he sits The three of them making jokes about the meager obits Steve and David smile and they left quite soon He wonders about that dream as he looks at the stars and the moon Sometimes he has a party for him and the crew They turn up on time 'cause they always do Phil plays "I Ain't Marching" Bob plays harmonica but plays it all wrong And Steve harmonizes like he did with John Prine And David just sits and looks blue all the time Then the time comes around again They all sit and listen to our hero play He says, "Ah, you've heard it all before" They like it so they shout "encore" Then he sings This is the only thing that really matters keeps me going, retains my sanity The nights I spend alone when there's just Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Steve Goodman, David Blue and Me And me. Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Steve Goodman, David Blue and Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:48:32 -0400 From: "Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)" Subject: RE: Fwd: Samite Greetings ecto-utopians, Had to post about this Samite thing. I can't help but think that the original request itself was a little tacky, but I can understand the spirit in which it was made, no-one likes to do good work on something only to have it go unacknowledged. However, I think that the employment of subterfuge (i.e. not mentioning that we heard it from Happy) is to be avoided, or should have been employed at source, i.e. whoever passed on the message should just have told us the facts as they knew them and not mentioned the source (Happy). Think about it. Windham Hill probably get a few e-mails every day, suddenly there are a flood, all concerning an obscure new artist (Samite) and a less than well-known artist (Happy), complete with contradictory explanations of how it came to their attention. These are probably read and dealt with by one person, probably in one email reading and answering session. Is it to be thought that this persons olfactory organs would not perceive a somewhat fish-like odor about this? And how then would that dispose them to the artist in question? Better to have sent them something like: 'Hi, I heard on the Happy Rhodes fan list that she did some work on Windham Hill artist Samite's new album but she is not credited at the website, could this omission be corrected please? - a fan of Happy Rhodes'. I think this means I agree with Joseph. I don't know how to fix it in this instance but I think in the future, if Happy or Samson has a similar request, the poster should just mention the pertinent facts along with a 'call to action' to this list. Cheers! Marc. P.S. Thanks to those who responded to my query about E-Bows. - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 4:10 PM To: Maeve421@aol.com Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Samite Maybe I worry too much... but it strikes me that a) this Sylvie Lewis is missing the point about the Web versus the printed album notes, and b) this might translate into a perception on her part, and perhaps that of Windham Hill and which ever conglomerate now owns it, that Happy's fans are more trouble than they're worth, and that perhaps they might consider whether they want to work with her in the future. Is there a way that we can gently counteract this? - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: Life is Rock... > Reunion: Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me) Hmm... I thought the band who did that song was called "Stars on 45." Or was that a different song? In any case, would you (or anyone else) happen to know the lyric of that song? I could never understand them because they were sung so fast! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: Phil Ochs > That's a pretty good catalog to start with. Check out his songs > "There But for Fortune", "A Small Circle of Friends", "Changes", > "Pleasures of the Harbor", and "I'm not Marching Anymore." > (Though my favorite song of his is "Crucifixion".) Didn't he also do "Love Me, I'm a Liberal?" His songs could be either poignant and touching, or sarcastic and biting. And what an angelic voice! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:06:59 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Life is Rock... On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:55:28PM -0700, J Wermont wrote: > > Reunion: Life is a Rock (but the Radio Rolled Me) > > Hmm... I thought the band who did that song was called "Stars on 45." > Or was that a different song? In any case, would you (or anyone else) > happen to know the lyric of that song? I could never understand them > because they were sung so fast! http://www.summer.com.br/~pfilho/html/lyrics/l/life_is_a_rock.txt Tracy Ullman also recorded that. Stars on 45, IIRC, recorded medleys of hits, switching among them faster (but more smoothly) than Naked City :-) - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:56:29 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Samite album response I wrote off and got this response: At 12:04 PM -0500 8/4/99, WHINFO@bmge.com wrote: >From: WHINFO@bmge.com >To: mp@moonmac.com >Subject: RE: Samite >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:04:49 -0500 > >Happy Rhodes is credited twice on the album > >Best Wishes, >Sylvie Lewis > > > ---------- > > From: Michael Pearce[SMTP:mp@moonmac.com] > > Reply To: mp@moonmac.com > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 10:23 AM > > To: consumers@windham.com > > Subject: Samite > > > > I was referred to your site to hear a track that Happy Rhodes sings on, > > the lead track by your artist Samite. I can hear her wonderful voice > > quite clearly, but why no credit? Lawyer problems? > > > > I can't imagine why you would slight such a wonderful artist that way. > > Normal Wyndam Hill procedure for guest vocalists and writers? > > > > Michael > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: speedathon songs? An ectophile responded to my request for the lyrics to "Life is a Rock (But the Radio Rolled Me)" with a few Mondegreen-laden lines (which he warned me would contain many mistakes!). In the message he also mentioned a couple of other songs that jam as many words as possible onto a single line, sung as fast as possible: "It's the End of the World as We Know It" by REM, and "Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan. I thought of a couple of others: - "We Didn't Start the Fire" - Billy Joel - That song by Barenaked Ladies that has the line, "I'm in the habit of losing my shirt" (or something like that). Does someone know the title? - The entire rap genre. :) Any others? Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:54:28 -0400 From: Steve I Subject: Sarah Slean Jeff wrote: >n.p. "High", Sarah Slean. mmmm. tasty. the drums at the >opening make me think of Lamb (just picked up _Fear of Fours_ >this morning...I may be on drugs with that comparison, as I was >listening to the Lamb disc on an airplane) > >(hey, Steve, is it really worth bothering to order by mail if it's >going to take 4-6 weeks to arrive? when _is_ the album going to >be available?) 4-6 weeks is a really conservative estimate... that "allow 4-6 weeks for delivery" is really there for when people order stuff while Sarah and Heather are away on tour and aren't around to take orders. I imagine they'll be pretty quick about sending out the first batch since they'll be doing a whole bunch at once, mass-assembly style. I'll ask what the ETA on the album is at this point and get back to you guys. At the latest, the album should be ready for her CD release parties on Aug 12-14. It's soooo good. I've been listening to it constantly for a while now and it just gets better and better. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:21:00 -0400 From: Paul Kim Subject: paul kim has a new email address Paul Kim has recently (today) switched service providers. While his berklee account should still be operational (but it's not...ultranet screwed that up for me), he will be corresponding using this new email address. Please mark your filters accordingly. :) Paul "pkkim@gis.net" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:09:07 -0400 From: "Kathy Clark" Subject: Windham Hill damage control (?) I would like to be able to send the following message to Windham Hill, but since I can't claim to speak for everyone (or for anyone but myself, for that matter), I'll just send it here, perhaps to provoke discussion. Dear Sylvie, I imagine you've been wondering why, all of a sudden, you've been getting a bunch of "Gee, it sounds like Happy Rhodes in this Samite clip, but she's not credited, what's the big deal?" emails at the info address, and probably suspect that it's something like this: The other day, on the "ecto" mailing list, which is primarily for discussion of Happy Rhodes and her music (but spawns a myriad of other topics - we're more like a family that just happens to have Happy Rhodes in common), someone posted that on your web site there was a sound clip from the title track of the Samite album, that HR had done vocals and some work on, and the web site had no reference to Happy at all. Now, most of us would walk through fire for Happy's music, and in addition, feel that there's a horrible lack in knowledge and information about her. We even have a term for spreading the "word" about her music - Happyvangelizing (hap-evangelizing). It's kind of anathema to us for there to be a situation where someone would have the opportunity to hear her (e.g. your website) and not know who they were hearing. Therefore, many of us decided to write to you and comment/complain. I also believe some people felt it would lend their response more credence if they didn't all originate from the same input, and thus didn't mention the source of their information. That being said, there has been some subsequent discussion on the list about whether this was quite the right way to go about things, as it may have resulted in a bit of a nuisance situation, which wasn't the intent. We hoped Windham Hill's response would be, "Gosh, that Happy Rhodes has a very passionate and staunch following; maybe we should put a credit on the web page, maybe it would even enhance sales!" This would be much preferable to "Gee, that Happy Rhodes has a bunch of nut balls for fans, let's decline to use her in the future," but, you never know how these things will go. I don't have any right to speak for the Ecto mailing list, or for the individuals who wrote to you, but I hope you accept and evaluate the comments with their intent in mind - to make you aware that Happy Rhodes is a valuable commodity whose credit on your site would be both fair to the artist and of benefit to Windham Hill. Sincerely, Kathleen Clark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:47:16 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Jessica Weiser - new album info and more! hey guys, i know i don't have much of a fanbase here on ecto, which is cool, but i thought i'd forward this info to you all anyway... the people who have heard clips or the entire new cd have all been 1) pretty impressed, and 2) usually note the tremendous growth in my voice and writing 3) note the production improvements since the last release. i'm extremely excited about this ep. it began as a gift for my mailing list but i'm offering it out to everyone for awhile... it has 5 tracks, maybe a surprise, and it includes 2 piano tracks and mostly guitar... it's an acoustic cd and is somewhat of a concept album. please email me for any extra info... jessica Big news here: as of last night at 4:10 am Jeff and I finished the final touches (mixing, mastering) on Transition! I'm very proud of the work we did on the EP and how much I've grown since What Has Happened was released and hope you'll check this record out. It is now on its way to the presses for a release date of august 20th. If you'll be at the show in Toronto, you can pick one up then. If not, I'm offering it to friends/mailing list members for advanced orders, before it's sold online or in stores... To order a copy, just send cash, check, or a money order to me at the address below, and all orders will be shipped beginning monday, august 23rd! The CD includes 5: The Drive, Within, Speechless, Transition, and Survivor, all produced by Jeff White and myself... the CD is an introspective collection of songs, featuring stripped-down versions of some new songs, some are guitar and some piano... (Some of these songs will stay b-sides, and a few will go on to big and better things on a full-length CD we'll begin work on in September). I'm very excited about this recording and hope you'll like what we've done... For more information on the EP(and soundclips will be up soon!), please go to my website: www.aquezada.com/jess, which also has news, tourdates, a photo gallery and more... Soon we will have an order form on the site for more convenient ordering... TRANSITION, featuring: The Drive - Within - Speechless - Transition - Survivor Produced by Jeff White & Jessica Weiser; all guitars, vocals, and piano by Jessica Weiser; percussion by Jeff White - $9 (us) $13 (international) - prices include shipping charges! note: for faster shipping, send $7 and $2 in stamps or a pre-paid envelope... Please include: name, address, # of copies, & your e-mail address. You will get a confirmation e-mail when I receive the money. Orders shipped beginning Aug. 23rd, please allow 3-5 days for delivery. Mail to: Jessica Weiser c/o 495 Main St. B1 Chatham, NJ 07928 USA This is a limited release! And, upcoming tour dates: August 20th - PreLilith Show - Toronto, ON (C'est What?) featuring Michelle Turingan, Tricia Concepcion, and special guests. E-mail me for information as seating is EXTREMELY (as in, I think there are many 10 or so seats left...) limited at this point. August 21st - Roberto's Backyard Show - Toronto, ON featuring Michelle Turingan, Rayanne, Tricia Concepcion August 28th - Tricia's Birthday Show - Detroit, MI featuring Rayanne, Michelle Turingan and hopefully Emm Gryner. More tour dates and a possible CD release party coming soon--the website will have any additions/corrections. Thanks for your support and I hope you'll check out this new CD... Best, Jessica www.aquezada.com/jess <-- NEW photo gallery, bio, tour dates, and sound clips coming soon! ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #263 **************************