From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #234 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, July 12 1999 Volume 05 : Number 234 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Louisa John-Krol -- Alexandria ["Graham" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Invitation to join typicalgirls@onelist.com [lilwhirl@aol.com] EctoFest! [Suzanne Cerquone ] new list on pre-riot grrrl punk women [LilWhirl@aol.com] Fwd: A Note from Katheleen Michaels [Bill Mazur ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 [Rubber DeNiro ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 ["Kathy Clark" ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 [Joseph Zitt ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 [Michael Curry ] Re: church of betty and najma [neal copperman ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:12:41 +0100 From: "Graham" Subject: Louisa John-Krol -- Alexandria What a stunningly beautiful voice Louisa John-Krol has! Alexandria is her second independently produced album, and showcases a talent that demands a much wider audience. As well as singing she plays mandolin, firesticks, chimes, keyboard, chas-chas, spinning marble, guitar and ocarina! Harry Williamson fills out and enhances the music with keyboard, ti-play, bass, tablas, angel-harp and more. But Louisa's voice is so clear, so pure, like a stream at sunrise, that it may well take your breath away. Some of these songs are, I'm convinced, divinely inspired. When I first downloaded the title track, inspired by a poem by Cavafy, in MP3 format, from the Hyperium website (http://www.hyperium-rec.com/), I knew that I had to investigate this album further. This led me to Louisa's own web site (http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mkrol/shapings_well.html), a place where I gained some insights into her extraordinary life. I also began to learn something of the difficulties and frustrations, that independent artists such as Louisa face in getting their music effectively distributed. This Australian singer and songwriter is a teacher and natural story-teller, steeped in literature, drawing much of her inspiration from mythology, and poetry. Her songs transporting the listener to other times and places and because of the passion that she puts into the music, these became times and places that I for one found myself wanting to learn more about. I have already ordered my copy of The Collected Works of C. P. Cavafy! In this regard, I have to liken the experience of Louisa John-Krol's music to that of another great favourite, Loreena McKennitt, whose music stimulates the listener intellectually, spiritually as well as musically. There is also a healing quality to some of the songs, that almost wrap you in an aural hug! Call it New Age folk music, if you will, her beautiful voice and powerful messages telling stories and stirring memories of a simpler time. Every track on Alexandria is a delight to be savoured over and over, from the title track Alexandria, my present favourite, to Hide in Your Shadow, to Belamino's Dictionary, to The Valley of Seven Keys, which are only four of the twelve original songs composed by Louisa John-Krol and her husband Mark Krol. Beauty, grace, passion and excellence are the hallmarks of Alexandria, this wonderful album. Available online via GEMM www.gemm.com listen to RA sample http://www.loobie.com/cv/alexandria.ram ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************** Larry Greenfield (graywolfwla@earthlink.net) *************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Rich R. Wed July 14 1954 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: lilwhirl@aol.com Subject: Invitation to join typicalgirls@onelist.com Hello, I would like to invite you to join the typicalgirls mailing list. The description of this mailing list is: This discussion group is inspired by an appreciation for the women in punk circa 1975-80s. This is pre-riot grrrl punk, ladies. This means we love the Slits, the Raincoats, Y Pants, Dark Day, ESG, X-Ray Spex (Poly Styrene), Essential Logic (Lora Logic), Young Marble Giants (Alison Statton), Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon), X (Exene Cervenka), Girls at Our Best!, Patti Smith, Lene Lovich, Laurie Anderson, The Adverts, Jaine Aire and the Belvederes, Lydia Lunch, Siouxsie and the Banshees (Siouxsie Sioux), Lilliput/Kleenex, Revillos, etc. You can join this list by going to the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/typicalgirls If you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message. Thanks, lilwhirl@aol.com List Owner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:40:42 -0500 From: Suzanne Cerquone Subject: EctoFest! I for one am truly psyched for EctoFest. Thanks to Chuck, Meth and anyone else who is putting this on. If you need any help, feel free to ask! I already see this as a yearly event--and a Labor Day tradition. It can only get bigger and better. I'll be training it up from NYC. Anyone care to join me? - --Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:14:09 EDT From: LilWhirl@aol.com Subject: new list on pre-riot grrrl punk women Hello fellow ectos.... I would like to invite you to join the typicalgirls mailing list. This discussion group is inspired by an appreciation for the women in punk circa 1975-80s. This is pre-riot grrrl punk, sistahs 'n brudduz. This means we love the Slits, the Raincoats, Y Pants, Dark Day, ESG, X-Ray Spex (Poly Styrene), Essential Logic (Lora Logic), Young Marble Giants (Alison Statton), Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon), X (Exene Cervenka), Girls at Our Best!, Patti Smith, Lene Lovich, Laurie Anderson, The Adverts, Jaine Aire and the Belvederes, Lydia Lunch, Siouxsie and the Banshees (Siouxsie Sioux), Lilliput/Kleenex, Revillos, etc. You can join this list by going to the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/typicalgirls If you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message. Thanks, lady d. lilwhirl@aol.com List Owner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:30:00 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Fwd: A Note from Katheleen Michaels Hello Everyone, Katheleen attempted to send this message directly through to the Ecto mailing list. I suspect (thanks to Billi's suggestion to me about this one) that it never properly made it through to all of you because she currently is not subscribed to Ecto (she explains why that is below). Billi suggested that the Smoe server will not accept e-mail from anyone but an Ecto mailing list subscriber. I believe that she is correct. Therefore, I am forwarding this to all of you on Katheleen's behalf. Thanks, Bill Mazur > Subject: A Note from Katheleen Michaels > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:52:22 -0700 > From: Katheleen Michaels > Organization: KMWM Productions > To: ecto@smoe.org > > Greetings and Salutations to all at Ecto! > > Where do I begin? [whew! As I wipe my brow.] > > Bill Mazur forwarded to me the message from Jack Sutton with his very > kind review of our disc "Faces, Traces & Timelines" and I wish to thank > him for all his kind words. Jack's TLC and solid efforts through his > work with Harmony Ridge Music have supported Bill and I through the > cocoon stage of launching a new disc. My hat goes off to you, Jack! > > Bill has long been telling me that I should join Ecto to get in on all > the great discussions. I totally agree, but as some of you know, I have > had some serious setbacks that have kept me from becoming a contributor > and active part of your group. > > Shortly after completing our disc at the end of last year, I underwent > cervical spine surgery. Not only did this result in the inability to > speak for some time, but also a long period of recovery only to find > that there might be more surgery to come in the near future. (Sigh) > There have been some continued setbacks since the surgery, and I'm not > sure how much longer it will be until I'm "myself" again. I currently > don't have use of my left arm or hand (someone else is typing this for > me!). Apparently, there are some nerves that are getting pressure from > disks or scar tissue that is causing the pain and trouble with my hand > and arm. I won't know for sure exactly what it's going to take to make > it all better, but I am working with many doctors to try to make a > complete, speedy and successful recovery. Although discouraged, I don't > feel defeated and I'm looking forward to a comeback. There is really > nothing as wonderful as playing music with Bill, I look forward to that > the very most! > > So...I've not yet joined Ecto as I don't think that I can keep up with > the messages coming in, or be able to respond with any of my normal > enthusiasm. :c} As soon as I am able, I plan to join in. Until then, > I'll be keeping up with the archives - which is something that I've > enjoyed doing during my down time. > > I had not heard of Happy Rhodes until Bill brought a disc to my home > (Many Worlds...). I was instantly taken by her voice and the overall > sensation of her music. Bill was kind enough to let me keep the disc, > and then bought me another (The Keep). These 2 discs have become part of > my "essential music" diet. In reading through the archives, I see that I > am not alone in my high regard for Happy's music. > > There are many other important people to thank for bringing solace into > my life during these tumultuous times. Thank you so much Neile Graham, > for including us in the Ecto guide - I feel honored to be amongst all of > the other fine musicians you've included in your website. Special thanks > also go out to Marion Kippers and Jeff Hanson for their enlightening > perspectives on our disc "Faces, Traces & Timelines." Thank you both for > your kind words. > > I'll be seeing you around the archives and will let you know as soon as > I am able to join in. Until then..... > > I am Forever and Always Singing, > > Katheleen Michaels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 - --- Paul Blair wrote: > meredith wrote: > > Woooooo-hoooooo! > > Paul > ...wondering if Mila Drumke, Susan McKeown or Jane > Siberry might get added > to the bill... > (Kate Bush is out of the question, I suppose? :-) Am I the only one having a problem with this? What makes this "Ecto" fest? Who appropriated the name "Ecto" for this out-of-the-blue festival? Certainly not Ecto; Meth's announcement was the first I'd heard about this. Something called an Ectofest, I'd imagine, would have provided opportunities for--wait for it--_Ecto_ to contribute to its creation and planning. I couldn't quite put my finger on what bothered me about this whole thing at first, but Paul's response quoted above crystallized it for me. Yeah, Paul, Mila Drumke might have been interested in participating, as well as a great many other people, if Ecto at large had been permitted awareness of--not to say participation in--"Ectofest 99." I, for one, would have immediately suggested concurrent or sequential "Ectofest 99" events in many different cities--a kind of alternative Lilith Fair. My Scarlet Life and Mila Drumke and Patricia Barber, maybe, in Chicago, for example. I maintain contacts of varying constancies and intimacies with Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jane Siberry, Victoria Williams, Wendy Maharry, Ingrid Karklins, Mary Coughlan, Holly Cole, Jonatha Brook, Syd Straw, and a few others, and many other people on Ecto have entree into other Ectopian artists' inner circles and might have been enlisted to encourage their participation in an "Ectofest 99" of real magnitude and noteworthiness. Imagine the publicity for Happy Rhodes every time MTV news explained the meaning of "Ectofest" when it updated its viewers on the event in their local city. This event, as it stands, is obviously a good thing and worthy of our support. But Ecto should have been consulted--certainly informed--before its imprimatur was appropriated for it. I suggest--personally, subject of course to debate and or consensus--that no individual Ectophile has the right to use the Ecto name for a public situation without at least "bouncing it off" the rest of Ecto. - --Charley Darbo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:42:04 -0400 From: "Kathy Clark" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 I personally don't feel that we should be so proprietary about the name. "Ecto" may be the mailing list, but it was first the Happy Rhodes song, and if she's willing to participate in something named Ectofest, that's more than enough for me. I suspect meth and woj had something to do with Ectofest's origins, and they're a big part of the nucleus of the northeastern US ecto contingent. They're not stealing anything from us, they're enhancing. My 2 cents... Kat - -----Original Message----- From: Rubber DeNiro To: ecto Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 > > >--- Paul Blair wrote: >> meredith wrote: > >> >> Woooooo-hoooooo! >> >> Paul >> ...wondering if Mila Drumke, Susan McKeown or Jane >> Siberry might get added >> to the bill... >> (Kate Bush is out of the question, I suppose? :-) > >Am I the only one having a problem with this? What >makes this "Ecto" fest? Who appropriated the name >"Ecto" for this out-of-the-blue festival? Certainly >not Ecto; Meth's announcement was the first I'd heard >about this. Something called an Ectofest, I'd imagine, >would have provided opportunities for--wait for >it--_Ecto_ to contribute to its creation and planning. > >I couldn't quite put my finger on what bothered me >about this whole thing at first, but Paul's response >quoted above crystallized it for me. Yeah, Paul, Mila >Drumke might have been interested in participating, as >well as a great many other people, if Ecto at large >had been permitted awareness of--not to say >participation in--"Ectofest 99." I, for one, would >have immediately suggested concurrent or sequential >"Ectofest 99" events in many different cities--a kind >of alternative Lilith Fair. My Scarlet Life and Mila >Drumke and Patricia Barber, maybe, in Chicago, for >example. I maintain contacts of varying constancies >and intimacies with Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jane >Siberry, Victoria Williams, Wendy Maharry, Ingrid >Karklins, Mary Coughlan, Holly Cole, Jonatha Brook, >Syd Straw, and a few others, and many other people on >Ecto have entree into other Ectopian artists' inner >circles and might have been enlisted to encourage >their participation in an "Ectofest 99" of real >magnitude and noteworthiness. Imagine the publicity >for Happy Rhodes every time MTV news explained the >meaning of "Ectofest" when it updated its viewers on >the event in their local city. > >This event, as it stands, is obviously a good thing >and worthy of our support. But Ecto should have been >consulted--certainly informed--before its imprimatur >was appropriated for it. > >I suggest--personally, subject of course to debate and >or consensus--that no individual Ectophile has the >right to use the Ecto name for a public situation >without at least "bouncing it off" the rest of Ecto. > >--Charley Darbo >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:49:25 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 07:26:30PM -0700, Rubber DeNiro wrote: > I suggest--personally, subject of course to debate and > or consensus--that no individual Ectophile has the > right to use the Ecto name for a public situation > without at least "bouncing it off" the rest of Ecto. I think this would be a good idea -- though I would probably phrase it in terms of courtesy rather than that of rights. The naming of Ectofest probably was an example of exuberance in an area that hadn't come up before. I have no problem with the current event remaining Ectofest, but yeah, now that the issue has been raised, getting some consensus beforehand (hard as that may be to judge in the case of participants in a mailing list) for future situations would probably be the right thing to do. - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt | | Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:50:53 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 >Am I the only one having a problem with this? What >makes this "Ecto" fest? Who appropriated the name >"Ecto" for this out-of-the-blue festival? Certainly >not Ecto; Meth's announcement was the first I'd heard >about this. Something called an Ectofest, I'd imagine, >would have provided opportunities for--wait for >it--_Ecto_ to contribute to its creation and planning. > >I couldn't quite put my finger on what bothered me >about this whole thing at first, but Paul's response >quoted above crystallized it for me. Yeah, Paul, Mila >Drumke might have been interested in participating, as >well as a great many other people, if Ecto at large >had been permitted awareness of--not to say >participation in--"Ectofest 99." I, for one, would >have immediately suggested concurrent or sequential >"Ectofest 99" events in many different cities--a kind >of alternative Lilith Fair. My Scarlet Life and Mila >Drumke and Patricia Barber, maybe, in Chicago, for >example. I maintain contacts of varying constancies >and intimacies with Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jane >Siberry, Victoria Williams, Wendy Maharry, Ingrid >Karklins, Mary Coughlan, Holly Cole, Jonatha Brook, >Syd Straw, and a few others, and many other people on >Ecto have entree into other Ectopian artists' inner >circles and might have been enlisted to encourage >their participation in an "Ectofest 99" of real >magnitude and noteworthiness. Imagine the publicity >for Happy Rhodes every time MTV news explained the >meaning of "Ectofest" when it updated its viewers on >the event in their local city. I'm sure we're all very impressed by your fine list of contacts. As it is, some people who had means and contacts of their own got together and did something on a realistic scale where a event could actually be staged rather than launching off into dreams of some sort of Lilith Fair scale undertaking that may or may not have ever actually occured. Does this festival somehow preclude a larger event or series of events in coming years in various parts of the country? Obviously not, and in fact I think the fact that two ectophiles were able to get together and organize something like this can only serve as an example to others who might want to do the same. >This event, as it stands, is obviously a good thing >and worthy of our support. But Ecto should have been >consulted--certainly informed--before its imprimatur >was appropriated for it. > >I suggest--personally, subject of course to debate and >or consensus--that no individual Ectophile has the >right to use the Ecto name for a public situation >without at least "bouncing it off" the rest of Ecto. Frankly, I think this is an argument without any actual purpose. As has been pointed out, if "ecto" belongs to anyone it belongs to Happy, so it's hard to see how there can be an objection to the term being used to describe a concert that Happy is involved in. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:26:10 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: church of betty and najma At 2:06 PM -0400 7/5/99, four episode lesbian wrote: >wah! i'm going to miss the shows on the 9th and the 18th (they rather >nicely bracket the time that meredith and i will be in seattle/vancouver) >and the gig on the 20th will be tough to catch, but i hope that someone can >make it to any of the indo-pop shows in nyc, philadelphia or washington. >not only do you get the best hindi/western pop fusion this side of the >himalayans, you also get najma! she may be less well-known than sheila >chandra, but she's every bit as wonderful. Wow, this sounds wonderful. I'm obligated to go since I always do what woj tells me. (I suspect this is true because woj hardly ever tells me to do anything, and thus far none of those things have been at all disagreeable.) Besides, I have to go down to Arlington next weekend anyway to pick up all the stuff I mailed to my parents. It'll be nice to have plates, silverware and pots again! >>SATURDAY, JULY 17, 7:30 pm: NAJMA and CHURCH OF BETTY perform The Music >>of S.D. Burman at the FREER GALLERY OF ASIAN ART AT THE SMITHSONIAN >>INSTITUTION on the National Mall, WASHINGTON, DC. Betty returns to >>Chris's home town to commit acts of High Culture in the Nation's >>Capital. Their are a few useful tidbits that aren't included in this description. It's on the STEPS of the Freer, which I gather makes it free. Rain location is Meyer Auditorium, which I think is inside. This was easy for me to find since I had bookmarked the Freer/Sackler page some years ago, though I hadn't looked at it since then. Tip to Washingtonians - the Freer runs great film and concert series. They just finished a Turkish film series and are now doing a spate of Hong Kong flicks (all free) on Friday nights. There is also a full concert schedule too that looks pretty interesting. Check it out at http://www.si.edu/Asia/html/july_august_calendar.htm neal np: New Mother - The Angels of Light nr: between books and awaiting the return of High Fidelity which I accidentally left in Abingdon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:11:39 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: ectofest 99 Hi! I can't believe I have to defend this. Charley responded: >Am I the only one having a problem with this? I hope so. >What makes this "Ecto" fest? Because it's a festival organized by two ectophiles, and Happy is headlining. >Who appropriated the name >"Ecto" for this out-of-the-blue festival? Certainly >not Ecto; Meth's announcement was the first I'd heard >about this. Chuck Stipak, whose idea this entire festival is, and myself, who is handling the booking of the musical artists for the event are ectophiles, and we have been for some time. Since our first thought was to put together a day full of music which showcased local ectophilic artists for a good cause (actually, two good causes), and most importantly, since we were planning on asking Happy to play, the term "ectofest" seemed the most logical thing. >Something called an Ectofest, I'd imagine, >would have provided opportunities for--wait for >it--_Ecto_ to contribute to its creation and planning. Chuck and I are members of ecto. woj, who runs ecto helped put ectofest.org together. ectofest.org is actually aliased to smoe.org, which is run by Jeff Wasilko, also an ectophile, and of course smoe also hosts the ecto list, the ecto home page, and the Ectophiles' Guide. Rachael Sage, one of the artists currently on the bill is herself an ectophile. The planning of this festival is *far* from a done deal -- believe me, we'll be asking for volunteers and other forms of help as the date draws closer. It's a bit early to declare ecto shut out of the process -- we never planned for that to be the case. >Yeah, Paul, Mila >Drumke might have been interested in participating, as >well as a great many other people, if Ecto at large >had been permitted awareness of--not to say >participation in--"Ectofest 99." First of all, I respectfully submit that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The artist roster is only half complete at this time (please see the announcement, which stated "others to be announced"). Who's to say that Mila isn't on the list of potential performers, but we just haven't finished working out the details yet? It wouldn't be appropriate for me to announce who *might* be on the bill ... only once the artists are confirmed am I going to say anything. >I, for one, would >have immediately suggested concurrent or sequential >"Ectofest 99" events in many different cities--a kind >of alternative Lilith Fair. Sounds like a great idea -- go for it! I'm sure there are worthwhile charities in Chicago who would benefit from something like this. >and many other people on >Ecto have entree into other Ectopian artists' inner >circles and might have been enlisted to encourage >their participation in an "Ectofest 99" of real >magnitude and noteworthiness. I don't get it. Just because this is a one-day event in a town in Connecticut, and not in your backyard, this isn't an event "of real magnitude and noteworthiness"? I think the Interfaith AIDS Ministry and Danbury Women's Center would take issue with that. It's certainly noteworthy for them. They're quite excited about the whole thing, as a matter of fact, and are going to be quite involved in the event itself. >Imagine the publicity >for Happy Rhodes every time MTV news explained the >meaning of "Ectofest" when it updated its viewers on >the event in their local city. Yeah, that'd be cool. Let me know when the Chicago ectofest is, and I'll see if we can get the publicity machine going at MTV. I'm sure they'd be more than willing to take 30 seconds out of their Real World marathon to make mention of an event that doesn't involve Britney Spears, Jewel, or Marilyn Manson. Seriously, though, who's to say this isn't intended to be the first in a series of annual events? Even Lilith Fair had to start somewhere -- and it did, with a few small shows in a couple venues the year before the actual touring festival got going. If this year's event is a success we'll definitely be planning on doing it again. I don't really want to speak for Chuck, but if an expansion is warranted I'll be more than happy to throw my support behind anyone else who wants to try it in their own town. >I suggest--personally, subject of course to debate and >or consensus--that no individual Ectophile has the >right to use the Ecto name for a public situation >without at least "bouncing it off" the rest of Ecto. Why? The only person who owns any sort of copyright on the word "ecto" is Happy, and she has no problem whatsoever with our using the term "ectofest" for this event. If she had any sort of problem with it whatsoever, we would have picked something else. And woj, who named this list, doesn't have a problem with it either. I'm sorry you have a problem -- what would you rather we call it? I'm truly sorry that you can't see this event for what it is: number one, a chance to raise money for two very worthwhile causes, and two (which is possibly more important than #1, depending on the point of view), a chance to get several wonderful live performers together on one stage, not the least of whom is going to be Happy. The ectophiles with whom I have discussed this event (both in person and off-list, because neither Chuck nor I wanted to announce anything until we were 100% sure this thing was going to be happening) have unanimously been excited about the idea, and not one has raised any reservations about the use of the name. In fact, they all thought it a logical title for the event. I'm curious now -- has anyone written Susan Court to protest her use of the term "ectophilic" to describe her own music in her publicity materials? How about Binnie Klein, the WPKN programmer who uses "ectophilic" in the WPKN program guide to describe the music she plays on her show? If I recall correctly, neither of them asked permission here to use a term involving the word "ecto". I think it's wonderful that the terminology "ecto" has spread beyond the confines of this list. If someone attending ectofest because of a notice they see in the newspaper is curious about "ecto" and what it means, and further checks into the music we ectophiles enjoy as a result, how can that possibly be a bad thing? This'll teach me to check my e-mail while I'm on vacation. I'm going to go look at the postcards I bought at the Space Needle today, and try to recapture the sense of fun I had going before I booted this machine up... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #234 **************************