From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #222 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 1 1999 Volume 05 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Serenade ["Kelesyn" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: ecto-digest V5 #221 [metron@ripco.com] kristin hersh's echo single etc [karen hester ] Re: Serenade [meredith ] Re: Serenade [Jessica Koeppel ] garmarna's new cd [meredith ] CDR labeling ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: kristin hersh's echo single etc [Michael Curry ] FW: Serenade ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: kristin hersh's echo single etc [jason and jill ] Re: CDR labeling [Andrew Fries ] Re: Serenade [There is no spoon ] Re: Serenade [There is no spoon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:44 -0800 From: "Kelesyn" Subject: Serenade >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:17:09 -0500 >From: Terra Incognita >Subject: Serenading Genius mailing list > >Meth said: > >> The list was created before Kelesyn knew about >> ecto, and was done with Happy's knowledge and blessing. > >Hmm....very interesting. When I asked Happy about this new list, she was >*clueless*. Never heard of it. Was very curious about the address of >"valuefulfillment.com" and wanted to know more. > >Hmm.... > >Have a balmy day, all. >Sharon Ask her again. I think she will have a different story to tell. As Happy and I have corresponded several times since then. She asked me about the reference to valuefulfillment, and we wrote back several times afterwards. She is *no longer* "clueless" and hasn't been since before she left for Philly. I don't understand the antagonism toward my list. Best regards, Kel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Samantha Tanner (samsamiam@juno.com) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Wilson Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. 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Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:49:10 -0500 From: metron@ripco.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #221 > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:25:09 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thief Catcher > Subject: Keaton soundtracks, _Echo_ single > > Anyway...since this list seems to be a decent repository of people with > eclectic taste in music, I'm about to play "stump Ecto". I'm making a tape > for a dear friend of mine who looks like Buster Keaton, and wanted to put a > tune from one of his silent films on a mix tape I'm making for him. > Unfortunately, the only two Keaton soundtracks listed on IMDb.com were for > _It's a Mad^4 World_ and _A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum_. > Not quite what I was looking for. Anyone got a good idea where I could > find some Keaton tunage? I found a few things at Compact Disc Connection: The closest you'll get to a soundtrack for a Keaton silent film is one CD by the Club Foot Orchestra titled _Buster Keaton's Sherlock Jr._ or three CDs by Bill Frisell featuring music he composed and performed for Keaton films: _Go West_, _The High Sign_/_One Week_ (two shorts on one CD) and _Quartet_, which contains music for the two-reeler "Convict 13". There's also a song "Buster Keaton" by John Southworth, on his album _Mars Pennsylvania_; however, I'm not familiar with this artist and have no idea what this song sounds like. Another option would be to get hold of a copy of _Free and Easy_, an early 30s sound film starring Keaton; he sings the title song, and doesn't have a bad voice.... ...or else you could just get him a pair of slap shoes and a porkpie hat... -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:30:31 +1200 From: karen hester Subject: kristin hersh's echo single etc [i wrote Ecto single first, damn fingers] >From: Thief Catcher >Subject: Keaton soundtracks, _Echo_ single As well as enjoying Echo, I'm seeing a Buster Keaton film with mini-orchestra accompaniment at the upcoming film festival. A piano would have been sufficient. Kristin's cover of Nirvana's "Pennyroyal Tea" makes perfect sense to me, the crunchy guitars and her raw voice pretty much like the original. Not as different as Tori's "Teen Spirit". The Beatles tune is cute and chirpy and a bit too silly ("Everybody's got something to hide exept me and my monkey"). The weird thing, as people have mentioned here before, is a Kristin Hersh release that sounds like a Muses one. I understand that the 'brand' "Kristin Hersh" sells lots more than Throwing Muses but that might have been a temporary quirk due to the convergence of ethereal female music press coverage and Michael Stipe and all that (Strange Angels didn't sell as much as Hips and Makers, did it?) or perhaps because more people like her acoustic music, but either way releasing a loud guitar Kristin album doesn't make sense. Unless she now feels she can openly 'own' her music or something, that does make sense. And further oddness is the 28 June "Sky Motel" release date in NZ/Oz and UK/Europe, and 20 July date for U.S. Beautiful. I want to see more of that. Of course it wasn't in any store I checked but that it is officially out here is pleasing, we're so used to reading reviews and then waiting several months for the albums to filter down here. karen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:15:34 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Serenade Hi! Kelesyn responded: >I don't understand the antagonism toward my list. I'm not sure as I understand it any more, either. I must admit that when I first heard of the list's existence my first reaction was, "why would someone want to undermine ecto?" But now I know that you just didn't know ecto existed when you created your list. I can certainly understand the desire to want to interact with other Happy fans. :) And since you have narrowed the focus of your list to discussion of Happy's work, it's guaranteed to be very different from ecto. :) Since I've been part of ecto for most of its 8 years I do have a kind of possessive feeling about it, and I think that's what you're running into here. I think there can be room on the Net for two forums for Happy discussion, though, so long as it's not an "us against them" kind of thing. Some people are looking for different things, and hopefully Serenading Genius will be useful for those Happy fans for whom ecto wasn't their cup of tea. Just my $0.02, +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:27:05 -0700 From: Jessica Koeppel Subject: Re: Serenade meredith wrote: >Since I've been part of ecto for most of its 8 years I do have a kind of >possessive feeling about it I know that feeling. :) >here. I think there can be room on the Net for two forums for Happy >discussion, though, so long as it's not an "us against them" kind of thing. I wholeheartedly agree. > Some people are looking for different things, and hopefully Serenading >Genius will be useful for those Happy fans for whom ecto wasn't their cup >of tea. I wish the new list well in its endeavors. ecto is rooted in happy, but is certainly so much more. It frequently overwhelms folks who might want just some news about what's up in happy's career, or who want to have just a focused discussion about an aspect of her work. I've been away from ecto for a long time. I can't neccessarily claim to be "back" yet, but I can say I'm a heck of a lot less depressed right now than I've been in years. I'm on prozac again. So far so good. If this keeps up I just might be an ecto-regular again someday. :) - --jessica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:27:50 -0400 From: meredith Subject: garmarna's new cd Hi! Just had to post a note to say how much I'm digging the new Garmarna CD, _Vengeance_. I know people were talking about them recently ... we've had this disc for a while, but I didn't know that until this past weekend. :} woj and I listened to it in the car on our trip, and I listened to it a few times today. The first song, "Gamen" ("Vulture") is one of those set-on-infinite-repeat kind of things. (There haven't been too many of those yet this year ... Beth Orton's "Stolen Car" is the only other one I can think of) And the album just rolls on from there. Very, very tasty. The video on the CD totally crashed my computer when I tried to look at it, though. Oops. Anyway, I very highly recommend this disc! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:09:40 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: CDR labeling Hey folks, general question here (with possibly obvious ulterior motives) -- How d'yall feel about labeling CDRs, I mean putting one of those ubiquitous sticky labels on it, using these toy guaranteed "centerers". On the one hand, it looks pretty, easy to spot the CD when you're moving it from player to jewel box or sleeve, etc etc. On the other hand, CDRs are "hand made", and the labeling operation is likewise. I've avoided them so far, under the assumption that I don't want a half-assed label stuck ever so slightly off center on a disc that's spinning at 500 RPM or whatever it is in my player. But now I'm looking at making a CDR for others, and I can see both sides of the argument, and I wonder... what do others think? I'm thinking of either making a CDR label from the contributed cover art for Ectopia, or just handwriting the name with a permanent marker. Eagerly awaiting your opinions, Mike (aka Fog) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:08:04 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: kristin hersh's echo single etc At 10:30 PM 6/30/99 +1200, karen hester wrote: >The weird thing, as people have mentioned here before, is a Kristin >Hersh release that sounds like a Muses one. I understand that the >'brand' "Kristin Hersh" sells lots more than Throwing Muses but that >might have been a temporary quirk due to the convergence of ethereal >female music press coverage and Michael Stipe and all that (Strange >Angels didn't sell as much as Hips and Makers, did it?) or perhaps >because more people like her acoustic music, but either way releasing >a loud guitar Kristin album doesn't make sense. Unless she now feels >she can openly 'own' her music or something, that does make sense. I think it's simply the fact that this was the music Kristin wanted to do, and since the Muses are no more everything she does simply has her name on it. I'm anxiously awaiting getting my hands on this new album, so the fact that the US release date got moved back from July 6th to the 20th is quite annoying. Mike np: Mike & Mary Rafferty -- The Old Fireside Music ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:21:37 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: FW: Serenade >> I don't understand the antagonism toward my list. I don't think its antagonism. Skepticism, yes, antagonism, no. I came to ecto in 1995 because it was described in the liner notes to Building the Colossus. Essentially, Happy sent me here. Here, I found people who I *trust* do speak for Happy... Sharon to name one. Review Rhodeways and Terra Incognita issues. You don't get this stuff without being "on the inside". Sharon declared her skepticism about the legitimacy of your list. Sharon being a well-established FOH in this and other media, I for one willingly share her skepticism. Kel, I do not doubt you nor believe you at this point in time. If it is verified to my satisfaction that you do indeed have Happy's blessing and support I will join your list. And regardless, by the nature of your list coming along after such a long and tried and true Ecto experience, you'll always be "the little sister". At least for the foreseeable future. You'd best learn to deal with that diplomatically. Best of luck, Mike (aka FoghornJ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: kristin hersh's echo single etc On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Michael Curry wrote: > >Hersh release that sounds like a Muses one. I understand that the > >'brand' "Kristin Hersh" sells lots more than Throwing Muses but that > >might have been a temporary quirk due to the convergence of ethereal > >female music press coverage and Michael Stipe and all that (Strange > > I think it's simply the fact that this was the music Kristin > wanted to do, and since the Muses are no more everything she does > simply has her name on it. Overhearing her conversation with a friend before one of the Tin Angel concerts last year, Muses music is what she wants to do, but the economics of having a band were too much. By just being Kristin, sometimes with a band, sometimes not, the strain economically is less. Need a band for date, pay them for date. Need a band for the CD, pay them for the sessions. Meanwhile, she can also do concert dates in smaller, low cost venues where she doesn't have to divide all the income and doesn't have to pay the costs of a band and its equipment, transportation and setup. If she could afford to keep Throwing Muses I don't think we'd be seeing the Kristin Hersh Band. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:15:06 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: CDR labeling On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: >How d'yall feel about labeling CDRs, I mean putting one of those ubiquitous >sticky labels on it, using these toy guaranteed "centerers". CD labels are something I'd be prepared to live without in the interest of saving you all the extra work involved! - ------------------------------------------------------ 62,400 repetitions make one truth. - Aldous Huxley - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:45:25 -0500 From: There is no spoon Subject: Re: Serenade At 11:16 PM 6/29/99 -0800, Kelesyn wrote: >>From: Terra Incognita >>Subject: Serenading Genius mailing list >> >>Meth said: >>> The list was created before Kelesyn knew about >>> ecto, and was done with Happy's knowledge and blessing. >> >>Hmm....very interesting. When I asked Happy about this new list, she was >>*clueless*. Never heard of it. Was very curious about the address of >>"valuefulfillment.com" and wanted to know more. >Ask her again. I think she will have a different story to tell. As Happy and >I have corresponded several times since then. She asked me about the >reference to valuefulfillment, and we wrote back several times afterwards. >She is *no longer* "clueless" and hasn't been since before she left for >Philly. I don't understand the antagonism toward my list. Kelesyn, I see nothing antagonizing about what Sharon wrote. She obviously asked Happy about the list after being invited to join, but before your back and forth with Happy. What some of us might find perplexing is that you've obviously been on Ecto at least a few days now and have yet to tell the membership about your list and issue a general hello, inviting that membership (chock *WAY* full of die-hard Happy Rhodes fans) to join your list. Many won't want to join two Happy Rhodes lists, but many will jump at the chance to belong to both, or just yours. What are we to think though, when we've only heard about the list 2nd hand, and haven't even been invited by the list owner yet, even though you're here with us? It's just a bit odd, but you can fix that. My suggestion would be to start over again. Introduce yourself. Tell us how you heard about Happy and why she meant so much to you that you wanted to start a list for her. Get a dialogue going. You might not like everything you hear, because there are going to be those who won't see the reason for your list, but that's life and you shouldn't take it personally. You're more than welcome to recruit here and you should, but there shouldn't be any friction between the two lists and *you're* the primary person who has to see that there isn't any. To start it all off...hi Kelesyn! Welcome to Ecto...how'd you hear about Happy? Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:13:41 -0500 From: There is no spoon Subject: Re: Serenade At 06:27 PM 6/30/99 -0700, the one and only Jessica Koeppel wrote: >I've been away from ecto for a long time. I can't neccessarily >claim to be "back" yet, but I can say I'm a heck of a lot less >depressed right now than I've been in years. I'm on prozac >again. So far so good. If this keeps up I just might be an >ecto-regular again someday. :) Hello! Hello! Hello! It's a wonderful thing, to see your name in the headers. Where are you now? I think I can safely speak for all the old time Ectophiles when I say that you're special to us and we've missed you terribly. (To the newer folks on the list...Jessica *started* Ecto way back in 1991) Welcome back! *HUG* Vickie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #222 **************************