From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #201 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, June 12 1999 Volume 05 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the favorite song question [basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson)] Re: Just out of curiosity... [Patrick Moseley ] Re: ecto-digest V5 #200, Just out of curiosity... ["Paul Huesman" ] Halou cd review ["Craig Gidney" ] Fwd: rocketry [JoAnn Whetsell ] A word for electronica [Neile Graham ] Re: A word for electronica [Brian Bloom ] Electronica is a stupid word... alas... [John Drummond ] re: amazon [dave ] Re: Just out of curiosity... ["Kat" ] Re: Just out of curiosity... ["Mickey Ferguson" ] GTL [sierran@earthlink.net (JoAnn Whetsell)] Re: Just out of curiosity... [Bill Mazur ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:27:39 -0400 From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Subject: the favorite song question On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:21:32AM -0400, Reneecamp@aol.com wrote: > What is everyone's favorite Happy Rhodes song and album... My favorite song has to be "Ode" from _Ecto_. And the album is _Warpaint_. brad nr _The Hours_ np _Mule Variations_ by Tom Waits--not really ectofodder but it sure has me addicted! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:37:19 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity... song: I Say album: Many Worlds Are Born Tonight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:10:22 -0500 From: "Paul Huesman" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #200, Just out of curiosity... Paul Huesman@BSSBNOTES 06/11/99 08:10 AM I'd have to say: Favorite song - The Chase Favorite album - Building the Colossus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:18:17 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity... Hmm, song: Tragic (before MWABT it was Terra Ingognita) album: Warpaint Mark np Imogen Heap _I Megaphone_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:03:57 -0400 From: "Craig Gidney" Subject: Halou cd review - --0__=gHsEkKFGgOOLNJe5hklXbtts2w6KEkKpDigIckbH4nOjL3KryjFACdYb Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Halou, - --0__=gHsEkKFGgOOLNJe5hklXbtts2w6KEkKpDigIckbH4nOjL3KryjFACdYb Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ?We Only Love You.?. ?Electronic subsonic gifts from above,? coos the chanteuse of this duo, and she?s right. A cross between the drum n? ba= ss sonic landscape of Lamb and the languorous ethereal vocals of the Cocteau Twi= ns, this San Francisco-based husband and wife team come up with a unique take on= familiar territory. The rhythm-based music has lots of silence and space to it.= They eschew the jazz timbres of Lamb for more atmospheric terrain?slowly flo= ating synths, echoed Heart-beat of God sound effects, multi-tracked vocals. = The real surprise in this is the creepy undertone running through the pieces. R= ebecca writes simple lyrics about uncommon subjects?the wonderful ?Loop in Blu= e? shows concern for a friend in trouble, while ?Present Tense? describes a woma= n?s descent into alienation and depression. These themes coalesce in the s= entiment expressed by the title track, where an eerie groupthink/ meshing of mac= hine and music are bought together with the blank, zoned out repetition of the = phrase ?you are one of us/ we only love you.? There?s a chilling, ?Blade Runn= er? current underneath the delicacy. Excellent! Yes, you can use this for the guide, Neile! - --craig = - --0__=gHsEkKFGgOOLNJe5hklXbtts2w6KEkKpDigIckbH4nOjL3KryjFACdYb-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:14:55 EDT From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: Fwd: rocketry >From: BRNDAKAHN@aol.com >To: brenda@womanrock.com >Subject: rocketry >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:51 -0400 (EDT) > >BRENDA KAHN GIGs IN JUNE > >This Sunday (June 13) and Next Sunday (June 20) Brenda will be reading >selections from her writings on Death and The Open Road and singing some >songs at Arlene Grocery (95 Stanton St, NYC) at 9PM. This is a FREE show. >All >monetary offerings will be considered donations to Brenda's new online >magazine, >http://www.womanrock.com/ . Info: >212-358-1633. > > >find out more at HREF="http://www.womanrock.com/">http://www.womanrock.com/brenda > > > >" what was he thinking as he walked into the black >night singing. The Mississippi swelling like a great >thought around him..." > >brenda > > > > > > > > >to be removed from this list just let us know! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:32:55 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: A word for electronica Hey all-- Just wanted to see if we could brainstorm a genre term for the kind of music that is frequently called trip-hop or electronica or sometimes acid jazz (it seems to be that none of these terms are quite right). I'm talking about some umbrella phrase that covers bands that seem to be doing slightly similar things with vocals (usually intensely emotional) over electronic sampling (often with the usual instrumental suspects but sometimes without). "Electronica" seems to refer mainly to the vocal-less atmospheric stuff. It seems related to the ethereal work of Cocteau Twins, but more electronic and beat-driven and sound experiments. It sometimes edges into dancey stuff, like Bjork. Massive Attack probably started it but Portishead was the first that really made its way into the ecto consciousness. I think in some ways Laika preceded them. But I digress... Bands that I think fall under this umbrella are: Portishead Lamb Halou Laika Esthero Kym Brown Massive Attack Sneaker Pimps Morcheeba Tricky 12 Rounds Mandalay Smoke City Underwater Snakefarm Wild Strawberries (I think their recent work falls here, am I right?) Deborah Conway (her most recent album) Imogen Heap (though she may be more strongly alt rock + electronoises) Mimi (ditto) Bloem de Ligney (ditto) Anja Garbarek (ditto) Sully (maybe more ethereal than this) Broadcast (ditto) Pram (maybe more experimental than this) Bjork Anyway, any ideas? - --Neile P.S. Speaking of which, A&B Sound has finally shipped our copy of the new lamb album. I can hardly wait!! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:38:41 -0700 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: A word for electronica At 10:32 AM 6/11/99 -0800, Neile wrote: >Just wanted to see if we could brainstorm a genre term for the kind of >music that is frequently called trip-hop or electronica or sometimes acid >jazz (it seems to be that none of these terms are quite right). I'm >talking about some umbrella phrase that covers bands that seem to be doing >slightly similar things with vocals (usually intensely emotional) over >electronic sampling (often with the usual instrumental suspects but >sometimes without). "Electronica" seems to refer mainly to the vocal-less >atmospheric stuff. > >Bands that I think fall under this umbrella are: > >Portishead >Lamb >Halou >Laika >Esthero >Kym Brown >Massive Attack >Sneaker Pimps >Morcheeba >Tricky >12 Rounds >Mandalay >Smoke City >Underwater >Snakefarm >Wild Strawberries (I think their recent work falls here, am I right?) >Deborah Conway (her most recent album) >Imogen Heap (though she may be more strongly alt rock + electronoises) >Mimi (ditto) >Bloem de Ligney (ditto) >Anja Garbarek (ditto) >Sully (maybe more ethereal than this) >Broadcast (ditto) >Pram (maybe more experimental than this) >Bjork Well, "trip-hop" sometimes gets applied to some of those, but it's a kinda tightly defined style, and not all the above artists would fall under this smaller umbrella. I consider "acid jazz" a different beast entirely, though there are some similarities.. but it's just not quite the same thing. Personally, I'm happy with "electronica". If you want some validation of this as a label, here are the styles applied some of those above artists on the All-Music Guide (http://www.allmusic.com/): Portishead : Alternative Pop/Rock, Trip-Hop, Adult Alternative Pop/Rock, Electronica Lamb: Club/Dance, Jungle/Drum 'N Bass, Electronica Laika: Post-Rock/Experimental, Indie Rock, Dream-Pop, Ambient Pop Massive Attack: Alternative Pop/Rock, Club/Dance, Trip-Hop, Electronica Sneaker Pimps: Club/Dance, Trip-Hop, Adult Alternative Pop/Rock, Alternative Dance, Electronica Morcheeba: Alternative Pop/Rock, Club/Dance, Trip-Hop, Electronica Bjork: Avant-Garde, Alternative Pop/Rock, Post-Punk, Club/Dance, Trip-Hop, Traditional Pop, Electronica Broadcast: Alternative Pop/Rock, Post-Rock/Experimental, Dream-Pop, Electronica, Ambient Pop And here's what they say about those styles: Electronica: A suitably vague term used to describe the emergence of electronic listening music of the early '90s and the wide variety of music that came after it, Electronica was first used in the title of a series of compilations (actually called =New Electronica=) spotlighting original sources of Detroit techno such as Juan Atkins and Underground Resistance alongside European artists who had gained much from the Motor City's futuristic vision for techno. The word was later appropriated by the American press as an easy catch-all for practically any young artist using electronic equipment and/or instruments, but Electronica serves to describe techno-based music which can be used for home listening as well as on the dancefloor (since many electronica artists are club DJs as well). ~ John Bush Trip-Hop: Trip-hop is a hybrid of hip-hop, soul, dub, pop and experimental. The beats are slow and the music is atmospheric, with sampled guitars and strings. Massive Attack was the first trip-hop band, but the genre was popularized by Portishead and Tricky. Acid Jazz: The music played by a generation raised on jazz as well as funk and hip-hop, Acid Jazz used elements of all three; its existence as a percussion-heavy, primarily live music placed it closer to jazz and Afro-Cuban than any other dance style, but its insistence on keeping the groove allied it with funk, hip-hop and dance music. The term itself first appeared in 1988 as both an American record label and the title of an English compilation series which reissued jazz-funk music from the '70s, called rare groove by the Brits during a major mid-'80s resurgence. A variety of acid jazz artists emerged during the late '80s and early '90s: live bands such as Stereo MC's, James Taylor Quartet, the Brand New Heavies, Groove Collective, Galliano and Jamiroquai as well as studio projects like Palmskin Productions, Mondo Grosso, Outside and United Future Organization. ~ John Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Electronica is a stupid word... alas... Y'all, I'm really upset with the stupid music press right now... they actually coined a term that we *can't* de-coin, since it works just too too well... "electronica" is just the CHEESIEST word in the universe, and Neile and I have cried over that fact... but I've been racking my brain for hours and nothing else is coming up that is as all-inclusive as that term... *SOB* We may be stuck with it... John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Electronica is a stupid word... alas... John Drummond writes: > Y'all, > I'm really upset with the stupid music press > right now... they actually coined a term that we > *can't* de-coin, since it works just too too well... > "electronica" is just the CHEESIEST word in the > universe, and Neile and I have cried over that fact... > but I've been racking my brain for hours and nothing > else is coming up that is as all-inclusive as that > term... *SOB* We may be stuck with it... Why cry? Just underline how cheesy "electronica" is by labelling most other music . . . Acoustica. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Re: Electronica is a stupid word... alas... > Why cry? Just underline how cheesy "electronica" is by labelling > most other music . . . > > Acoustica. That sounds like a new GM car featuring Bose speakers... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:39:56 -0400 From: dave Subject: re: amazon to answer someone's question: Label out of stock means that the record label no longer has any. And quite possibly won't make anymore either. And I've found that "special order" can quickly turn into "wait a few months and then be told it's now 'label out of stock'" - -- +-----------------------------------------------+ + dave + +-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:25:06 -0700 From: "Kat" Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity... >What is everyone's favorite Happy Rhodes song and album... >I just want to know... >thanx renee > Right now favorite song: When the Rain Came Down Favorite album: Warpaint ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:33:37 -0500 From: "Mickey Ferguson" Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity... > What is everyone's favorite Happy Rhodes song and album... > I just want to know... > thanx renee There are still many that I have yet to hear, but right now here's mine: Just Like Tivoli Warpaint - ---Mickey Austin TX USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: sierran@earthlink.net (JoAnn Whetsell) Subject: GTL thanks to everyone who responded about amazon.com and locating a copy of Emily Bezar's "Grandmother's Tea Leaves". I e-mailed Emily, and she says she has 3 boxes of them in her basement for sale at $14 apiece and that the distributor has some and she's been trying to get them listed as for sale. Something like that. I don't quite remember. "as to GTL...I have been trying, apparently unsuccessfully, to get amazon et al to list it as 'in stock', as my distributor still DOES have some copies, but nothing has gone through." OK, above is the exact quote from Emily's e-mail. And if anyone else is looking for a copy, you can e-mail Emily directly at bezar@best.com She's a real sweetie. And she says her new album should be out in September. JoAnn np: Katell Keinig--Jet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:48:59 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Just out of curiosity... Reneecamp@aol.com wrote: > What is everyone's favorite Happy Rhodes song and album... > I just want to know... Renee, Thanks for asking! Favorite song: A tie between "The Chariot" and "Temporary and Eternal" Favorite album: MWABT Bill M. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #201 **************************