From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #169 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, May 13 1999 Volume 05 : Number 169 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: purple [Bill Mazur ] Moving the CD Store Directory to smoe [Kay S Cleaves ] Re: purple [Bill Mazur ] My 10 year old niece is a Happy fan [Bill Mazur ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Various ["Donald G. Keller" ] Friends of... uh... Veda? [John Drummond ] Mercedes Lackey question [Cat ] Re: EWS strikes again! [Joseph Zitt ] Re: purple [Joseph Zitt ] Re: EWS strikes again! ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Merrie Amsterburg In May (fwd) [rachel kramer bussel ] Online lilith contest [Songbird22@aol.com] Patti Rothberg ["Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" ] A sweet Song ["Lord Tyr" ] Cryx3 ["Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" ] dearth veda [joann.whetsell@oberlin.edu (JoAnn Whetsell)] For Klezmer fans + Yiddish question [Mark Lowry ] Re: For Klezmer fans + Yiddish question [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: Moving the CD Store Directory to smoe [meredith ] Re: Lilith in the States tix pre-order special... [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob] Re: SF books (was Re: purple) [Pat Copeman ] sf etc [dmw ] Re: sf etc [Joseph Zitt ] Re: sf etc [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: ANNIE GALLUP on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED [primecd ] Tracey Thorn of EBTG [birdie ] Sara Ayers News [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:20:43 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: purple Joseph, Thanks for your response. > On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 11:09:36PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > > > In what ways did you find Dune to be slapdash Joseph? I'm curious. > > I don't recall clearly, it being some twenty-odd years since I read it. > One thing that did stick with me was his somewhat messy use of languages: > the mystery over what Kwisatz Haderach (or however he spelled it) was > nonexistent for some of us, since it's just mispronounced Hebrew for > "meeting of the roads". Why he chose Hebrew in the first place then > just tweaked it a little struck me as a move that could have used more > thought. I don't remember much else about it. Thanks for your explanation. I believe that I better understand your views. > > That's an interesting observation. I did start reading Herbert relatively early in > > my SF/fantasy reading. I am curious as to some of your favorite SF/fantasy authors > > and books. What has substance in that genre in your opinion and why? > > I haven't read much fiction in quite a while, but favorites have been, off the > top of my head: > > -- Samuel R. Delany, for his intricate writing and playing with the foundations > of the genre. "Triton" and "Dhalgren" (though that is questionably science > fiction (but definitely speculative fiction)) are my favorites I started Dhalgren several times and only got a very short way into it. It seemed interesting but never immediately pulled me in. The same thing happned with Lord of the Rings and Dune at first. I need to try to get into Dhalgren again. Many good friends have recommended it to me. I really have to throw myself into a book and then I'm hooked. I can't just read a chapter a night. I will need to set aside some time to really get into it. > -- Robert Silverberg's writing in the 70s, especially Dying Inside and > Son of Man. Silverberg is *definitely* a favorite author of mine. Son of Man is a classic, IMHO. It's a really fun read. Silverberg's writing style is whimsical and very enjoyable to me. Another favorite of mine is Nightwings. Billi really enjoys his writing as well. She loved the Majipoor Chroncicles. > -- Isaac Asimov's work, not because he was a great literary stylist, but > for the clarity of his ideas and writing. A very deliberate and intellectual writer. His writing is a little too clinical at times for me. > Oh yeah: my single sentimental favortie SF novel is Heinlein's "The > Moon is a Harsh Mistress", though I intentionally haven't read it in a > long time, since everytime I do, I start unavoidably talking like the > characters, which, while efficient, annoys everyone :-) Yes, Heinlein is another favorite on mine. Stranger in a Strange Land is my sentimental favorite. I read it as a teenager in the late 60s. I have read much of his work and like almost all that I have read from him. I enjoyed The Moon is a Harsh Mistress very much. It's been many years since I did read it. Take care, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:09:24 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Moving the CD Store Directory to smoe Hey-- I wouldn't mind it if the site were moved, after all, it's not doing much good if no one can find it! However, that depends on the benevolent dictators that are the webmasters of smoe...Jeff? Neile? Anybody out there? - --Kay np: a mix I put together of songs about Rain nr: Where the Sidewalk Ends. We'll miss you, Mr. Silverstein. >On Tue, 11 May 1999 10:39:11 -0500, Matthew Bittner wrote: >Subject: RE: The Ecto CD Store Directory > >Anyway this can be moved to smoe.org, so we can have one "central" location? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:28:44 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: purple Chris Sampson wrote: > > Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > "meeting of the roads". Why he chose Hebrew in the first place then > > > just tweaked it a little struck me as a move that could have used more > > > thought. I don't remember much else about it. > > > > I *think* the point of using tweaked Hebrew was mainly as a > > means of > > connecting the culture in the book/movie to existent, terran cultures. > > Jews were discovered later in the series of books... another diaspora. > > There were many other such parallels; the desert culture in general, the > > history of the Butlerian Jihad, The Orange Catholic Bible etc... I > > believe he 'chose Hebrew... and just tweaked it a little' as an > > illustration of the premise that if a strongly cohesive culture DID > > pioneer and DID continue to exist, its language (and other elements of > > its culture) would be similar but almost certainly be a LITTLE > > different. Herbert even translates kwisatz haderach to mean something > > similar to your translation ('the shortening of the way')... Paul > > Atreides was the 'shortening of the way'... the mystic that could 'see' > > all paths (even the ones that scared the hell out of the bene gesserit > > sisters). > > > > Let me be clear, here... I LOVED the book (and even liked > > several of > > the sequels)... I disliked the movie. > > > > I went with a large group of people... The only ones who really > > liked > > the movie were those who: > > > > a) had NOT read the book, but... > > > > b) sat next to one of us who had (so we could explain some of the > > stuff). > > > > I had several problems with some of the "devices" (the 'weirding > > way' > > is not a handheld unit, in the book, but, rather a demeanor and a set of > > mystical/paranormal skills... oh, and you would only barely see the > > shimmer of a body shield, and you would NEVER see a still suit... and, > > well, the ending was just plain stupid) > > > > AAAAnyway... That's just my $0.02... > > > > Chris Chris, I really appreciate your very well stated comments here. Thanks, Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:51:47 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: My 10 year old niece is a Happy fan Hello everyone, I thought you might find this interesting. I recently bought MW for my sister Paulette as a birthday present. She likes it quite a bit. She is a KaTe and Peter Gabriel fan. However, her 10 year old daughter really has gotten into it. Paulette said that Elizabeth keeps asking her to play the CD over and over again. Paulete said that she asks her to play it for her at least once a day. It looks like Happy has another new fan! A young one at that. :-) Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Patrick Varker (ptv@scm-metals.com) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Various It probably isn't a good idea for me to get talking about science fiction here, because I could literally write a small book. But I'll second authors like Gene Wolfe, Samuel R. Delany, Thomas M. Disch, J.G. Ballard, Robert Silverberg, Jack Womack... Disch's =334= (just reprinted by Vintage) is a first-rate book, but =Camp Concentration= (also just reprinted by Vintage) is at least as good. I've been a fan of Delany's since the 60s, but oddly enough the one major work I've never finished is =Dhalgren=, whose cult popularity (even among non-sf readers) puzzles me a little. For me =Nova= and =Triton= and =Stars in My Pocket...= are the important books. (Nothing is certain in life, but I =think= the sequel to =Stars in My Pocket= will eventually appear; I know that some of it is written.) Thanks for the info that it was the Sundays' version of "Wild Horses" they used on =Buffy= last night; I had wondered. (The high point of the episode for me was the special award.) It took me rather a long time to get into Mila Drumke, including the album =Illinois=. But it's worth sticking with it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 03:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Friends of... uh... Veda? Y'all, Okay, do we have any info of any kind, any projected dates or what-have-you, on Veda's next album? I'm unfortunate to be a fan of Veda, in that I live in the South and so I only have real access to "Spine", which I've had for almost a year and have been steadily obsessed with. I can't see her pay live or get her older albums or any of that, since they're all-in-all unknown everywhere I look... I *could* order that "Women in (e)Motion" thing, but I don't have a credit card... life sucks... ...but anyhow, here's my main point: I was recalling that Veda had that little organization put together while she was making "Spine" called, surprisingly, 'Friends of "Spine"', which I assume helped her raise money to get the album pressed and recorded and stuff... and if there's such an organization started for this new album, I'd be happy to donate a couple hundred to Veda's artistic well-being if she needs it. Anybody know anything about any of this? John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:57:46 -0400 From: Cat Subject: Mercedes Lackey question I was talking last night to Lief Sorbye of Tempest, the Celtic Rock "n" Reel Band, about a tour I working with them on for August. On a side note, we were trying to figure out what happened to Tempest Fugit, the novel that Mercedes Lackey was going to write 'bout the band. Anyone here a Lackey fan who has heard anything about this project? She extensively interviewed the band members back in '92 abd told Lief that it should be out within two or three years, but I can find no sign of it actually having been published. NP -- Tempest,Ye Jacobites By Name off the Tenth Anniversary Collection. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:59:46 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: EWS strikes again! On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 09:13:59PM -0700, Jeffrey Hanson wrote: > Today I also picked up: > 334 - Thomas Disch (who wasn't mentioned today, > but my friend who's the scifi editor at amazon.com had > it as one of her picks) For another mind-blower, check out Disch's "Camp Concentration", which I saw in a new printing at Borders yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:07:59 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: purple On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 11:20:43PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > I started Dhalgren several times and only got a very short way into it. It seemed > interesting but never immediately pulled me in. The same thing happned with Lord of the > Rings and Dune at first. I need to try to get into Dhalgren again. Many good friends > have recommended it to me. I really have to throw myself into a book and then I'm > hooked. I can't just read a chapter a night. I will need to set aside some time to > really get into it. One thing about Dhalgren: at the start, it seems to make very little sense, with things happenning randomly and erratically. (Landmarks shift from where the character last saw them, sunrises and moonrises are different one day from the next, etc). Don't worry about why, and just kinda go with it. I've also seen it said (in critical studies of the book) that it seems as if Delany intentionally was trying to buck uncommitted readers away in the early sections. It eventually settles down pretty well, before going amazingly prismatic in its final section. Back in the 80s I wrote the libretto and musical sketches for a radio opera of Dhalgren, for which Delany tentatively agreed to do the spoken parts himself (he has a wonderful voice). Unfortunately the project fell apart, but I'd love to finish it sometime... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: EWS strikes again! On Wed, 12 May 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > For another mind-blower, check out Disch's "Camp Concentration", > which I saw in a new printing at Borders yesterday. I read one Disch book, _The M.D.: a horror story_ after hearing nothin' but great things about Disch, and it's one of the few books I can remember actually despising. I finished it only to see if it would redeem itself (it didn't). I've been tempted to read some of his others, particularly _Camp Concentration_ or _On Wings of Song_ because I've heard such good things about them, but with the bad taste of that other book still in my mouth 6 or 7 years later, I haven't managed to actually do so. jeff np: _Rufus Wainwright_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: rachel kramer bussel Subject: Merrie Amsterburg In May (fwd) This is good news...Merrie is definitely worth checking out if you haven't heard her. :) Rachel - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:23:26 -0400 From: Jessica Smyser Subject: Merrie Amsterburg In May Hello Everyone! Merrie Amsterburg will be playing this Friday, May 14 at the Press Room in Portsmouth, NH. The Press Room is located at 77 Daniel St. and the number is 603-431-5186. The cover is $7 and the show starts at 9pm. While you're in Portsmouth please visit two great record stores, Bull Moose and Rock Bottom. They have both been great supporters of Merrie and Q Division and we love independent record stores. Merrie and band will also be playing at The Lizard Lounge in Cambridge, MA on Saturday May 22. The Lizard Lounge is located at 1667 Mass. Ave., below Cambridge Common RestaurantThe number is 617-547-0759. Opening will be Jim Horan (of Happy Bunny fame). The music starts at 10 pm. Merrie's album "Season Of Rain" will be reissued by Zoe records June 29th. The reissue will have two extra tracks "Patchwork" and a cover of "Walking On The Moon". In anticipation of the reissue Zoe and Q Division have put together a 5 song CD EP. Included on it are the songs: World Of Our Own Making Walking On The Moon Patchwork No Tomorrow (this song is an unreleased demo, available nowhere else) Say Goodbye (recorded live on the Acoustic Cafe radio show) This CD is available in stores, at shows and at http://www.rounder.com and http://www.qdivision.com. Look for a BRAND NEW album in early 2000! ___________________________________________________________________________ Please visit our web site at http://www.qdivision.com Q Division Records 443 Albany Street Boston, MA 02118 617-542-0081 ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:19:53 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Online lilith contest In a message dated 5/12/99 12:05:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SpiritWe@aol.com writes: > ALSO: you can now cast your vote for Rachael's "Sistersong" at the Lilith > Fair Website! The artist with the most votes gets to open the entire Lilith > > Tour--with their full band--in Chicago later this summer...Check out > www.lilithfair.com and look for the online-contest section marked something > like "enter or vote for your favorite song" on the homepage... Isn't rachael not eligable cause she won a talent search, though? Hmm. There are so many good songs up there.... I love mp3s :) Looking forward to seeing rachael perform (finally!) :) jessica, who also has a song up on the lilith site, "the drive", but it's a pre-pre-pre production 4-track.... which i'm not very pleased w/t... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:37:10 -0500 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: Patti Rothberg Anybody know what Patti Rothberg's upto? It's been three years since _Between the 1 and 9_ (is that right?) came out, and I was wondering if she was working on anything new. Any sites for Patti? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:26:18 -0700 From: "Lord Tyr" Subject: A sweet Song I wrote this song/poem for my sweet Friend Della.... I hope you all like it... ~~ Birth Rite ~ The sun is gone & Here we are... Time fly's quick. It is written in the stars Della my love this will not hurt a bit It is merely a Crucifix You will be left walking on the sand Man has desecrated this holy land You will help heal this world Feed from them my little girl It's time to kill them one & all Mankind shall finally fall You will help me get through this Cast the spell from a fiery abyss Your true love will come one day With teeth of sharp like razor blades Smile for him as he grins For he knows what is within Your Heart - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Merry Part & Blessed Be to thee....... Sincerely, Lord Tyr http://fly.to/lordtyr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:38:22 -0500 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: Cryx3 "Rescued" _Cry, Cry, Cry_ from a used bin. This is excellent! I'm glad I found it and picked it up. Although they're covers, they're so well done that most of them are better than the original. And to cover a Nields song! Most excellent. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:47:37 -0400 (EDT) From: joann.whetsell@oberlin.edu (JoAnn Whetsell) Subject: dearth veda I think it was John who was complaining about the dearth of Veda material in the South. You can order her albums straight from Ball of Flames Production (or something like that it's called). That's how I got _Spine_ and _Path of a Body_ before their US releases. You can send them a check, so it doesn't matter that you don't have a credit card. The info's on her website. Now that I think about it, maybe you were just longing for the new album and you already have all her previous stuff. I know nothing about the new album, but I am excited. JoAnn np: nothing! trying to decide whether to play Susan McKeown's _Bones_ or _Path of a Body_ or "26 Years". (yes, meth, that is one of the most gorgeous songs ever written) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:03:56 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: For Klezmer fans + Yiddish question Hi, I'm not that versed in Klezmer. I've seen the Klezmatics once and loved them, and I had _Manihalfwitz_ at one time, but I think an ex-roomie ran off with it. I did pick up a great CD recently by an Austin band called Rubinchik's Orkestyr. The album is "Flipnotics Freilachs." It's a live CD, but doesn't really sound like it since it was recorded at a radio station taping and a coffeehouse, so there are no audience sounds. I really dig this album. It's mostly members of other Austin bands, including Mark Rubin of Bad Livers. Vocalist Rachel Rhodes has a truly magical voice. They're playing in FW this Saturday, I'm planning on that one. My question is: what is a Khosidl? The last track on the album is "Mark went to Klez Kamp and all we got were these lousy Khosidls." Mark np The Waifs _Shelter Me_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:35:37 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: For Klezmer fans + Yiddish question Mark Lowry wrote: > My question is: what is a Khosidl? The last track on the album is "Mark > went to Klez Kamp and all we got were these lousy Khosidls." "The khosidl (a slow-to-medium-tempo solo improvised dance imitative of Hasidic dancing) and the sher (a medium-tempo square dance) are choreographic variants of the freylekhs genre of tunes, the latter using the most light, secular melodies, often a string of short tunes modulating frequently and danced in the most secular contexts. There is also a smaller sub-species of freylekhs, called the Terkisher, employing the 4/4 rhythm of the greek syrto (similar to the tango) brought into klezmer via early nineteenth-century Romania." -- Walter Zev Feldman, from the liner notes to Alicia Svigal's album _Fidl_ (which, as you might guess from the title is largely a disc of klezmer violin pieces) Of course, more to the point would be: "khosidl: slow 2/4 dance rhythm, reminiscent of hasidic motifs." -- liner notes to the Klezmatics' _Shvaygn = Toyt_ KlezKamp (The Yiddish Folk Arts Program) is a program of Living Traditions (livingtraditions.org) (run by Henry Sapoznik, the only man I've ever seen play klezmer on a banjo) is basically a musical summer camp for adults and kids, which strives to pass along the tradition of yiddish music and folklore. Supposed to be very cool. jeff np: nothing; just finished listening to _Nigunim_, on pause from last night, and will probably now go watch that tape of last weekend's _X-Files_ that's sitting in the living room - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:03:10 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Moving the CD Store Directory to smoe Hi! Kay fonted: >I wouldn't mind it if the site were moved, after all, it's not doing much >good if no one can find it! However, that depends on the benevolent >dictators that are the webmasters of smoe...Jeff? Neile? Anybody out >there? I will gladly put a link to the directory off the Ecto home page, if that will serve everyone's purposes. No moving required, and easy to find. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:28:31 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: Lilith in the States tix pre-order special... Paul Kim writes: > > I guess this seems like a pretty good deal (although I do like the canadian > version better where you order the cds from A&B sound instead of > Ticketmonger). Also, you gotta wonder how many venues are gonna hold the > really good seats for regular sales and comps. Dunno if the same will hold true, but Ticketmaster ran a promotion for Lilith in Toronto in '97 as a debut of their on-line ticket buying service. A "limited number" of tickets went on sale on-line, as I recall, a week before regular release. It was a huge mess with overloaded connections timing out for most everybody at all points of the transaction (even after giving credit card info while waiting for final confirmation). All that for 2nd tier, right side pavilion seats (divide the pavilion into 9th's and all tickets bought on-line were in the second section back, right side of center). I wound up with much better seats phone ordering the following week. bob np. Blues vs. Stars - not too big on hockey, but hey - they've been using Fleming & John's "I'm Not Afraid" in the advertisements so I'm showing my support. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:36:48 -0600 From: Pat Copeman Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) I have been reading with interest all of the comments about the various sf books and writers and I have to add my comments. I too started very young on the sf writers and started with the basics - - Asimov, Heinlein, Herbert, . I find that I have gotten rid of a lot of Heinlein's writing as I don't re-read it or pass it to others to read. I liked Dune and thought that the next two were just written to "catch the market" and that he didn't get back into it until he wrote God Emperor of Dune. I started to watch the movie once but found the violence was too graphic for me and so never finished it. I also found the discrepancies disconcerting. When it comes to Samuel R Delaney, I have to say that my favourite work is his Neveryon series. I had the advantage of first reading his work in University and my Prof.'s Ph.D. thesis was on Delaney. I find that his later writings are more 'readable' than his earlier work although they are all amazing as he is dyslexic and has to reread his work every day before he can proceed. In my sf reading I don't distinguish between science fiction and fantasy, I lump it all together as speculative fiction. I would like to add some of my favourites to the discussion. Poul Anderson, Andre Norton, Fred Saberhagen, Robert Silverberg, Theodore Sturgeon. A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M Miller, Jr. The Man in the High Castle and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K Dick Some incredible Canadian writers, in addition to Guy Gavriel Kay and Candas Jane Dorsey (read Black Wine if you haven't already -it is so powerful and reads like a prose version of her poetry, very tight and full of images, all of the words are there for a reason - and then read her short stories Machine Sex and other stories) Monica Hughes - children's literature Leslie Gadallah - novels and short stories Phyllis Gotlieb - especially her starcat books Margaret Atwood - especially The Handmaid's Tale Tanya Huff - ranges from traditional fantasy to fairies in modern time Toronto William Gibson - Necromancer - I just received his Idoru for my birthday Spider Robinson, Judith Merril, Charles de Lint and others also check out stories in Tesseracts - collections of Canadian sf short stories - edited by Candas Jane Dorsey as well as On-Spec magazine for more Canadian sf writers I also enjoy reading sf from other countries, in translation unfortunately, and can highly recommend "The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories" edited by John Apostolou & Martin Greenberg I would also like to mention Joanna Russ - all of her work is out of print but it is worth searching for especially The Female Man Suzy McKee Charnas - Walk to the End of the World - which is the book that got me searching for her work R. A. MacAvoy - Tea With the Black Dragon and Lens of the World - which are so different I find it hard to believe they are from the same author Ursula K LeGuin - Always Coming Home - the whole culture of a people - try to get the boxed set with the cassette of the music of the Kesh, read her Earthsea Trilogy and the 4th book Tehanu that she wrote much later. Then to understand the change in her writing read her 2 books of essays. Suzette Hadin Elgin - Native Tongue trilogy Joan D Vinge - the Snow Queen I am also interested in retellings of fairy and folk tales and in addition to the ones previously mentioned I would like to add The Outspoken Princess & the Gentle Knight - ed by Jack Zipes Don't Bet on the Prince - ed by Jack Zipes Red as Blood, or Tales from the Sisters Grimmer - Tanith Lee Beauty - Robin McKinley Rose Daughter - Robin McKinley - read Beauty first Tatterhood and other Tales - Ethel Johnston Phelps The Maid of the North - Ethel Johnston Phelps Sleeping Ugly - Jane Yolen Briar Rose - Jane Yolen The Practical Princess and Other Liberating Stories - Jay Williams Snow White, Blood Red - ed by Ellen Datlow & Terri Windling Ruby Slippers, Golden Tears - ed by Ellen Datlow & Terri Windling Black Thorn, White Rose - ed by Ellen Datlow & Terri Windling The Armless Maiden and Other Stories for Childhood's Survivors - ed by Terri Windling Thanks for letting me go on about something I am passionate about. n.p. Philip Glass -Glassmasters- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pat Copeman pcopeman@oanet.com Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: sf etc lots of my favorites have already been listed, but here are a few that i don't think i saw, unless i scrolled through too fast... lucius shepherd - almost more of a magic realist than a fantasist per se, there is a set of loosely interconnected stories of soldiers tormented by drug-induced "psychic" powers that is some of the most biting criticism of u.s. foreign policy i've ever encountered. but he's a very versatile writer, more concerned with the people in the stories than the gimmicks that make them sf rachel pollack - i ran into her first as a comic book writer, i admit it, but her novel _unquenchable fire_ is a stunning, deliriously surreal reworking of the messiah legend from a startling new perspective william browning spencer - his work may prove to be too repetitive for it's own good, but his stews of half-baked lovecraftian xeno-paranoia, children's fantasy classics, dilbertesque workplaces, obsessive romances, dryout centers and mysterious religious cults (not all actually in the same book) has been awfully entertaining to date tim powers - frequently weaves historical personages and events, like the meetings between lord byron, mary shelley and percy bysshe shelley into his intricately plotted, logically worked out fantasies. growing quite a bit as a stylist in his last several novels, in my not humble opinion fun junk food dept: lois mcmaster bujold - mostly character-driven space opera. the stories dealing the gradual maturation of miles vorskoskigon, reluctant princeling of a backwater planet and secret commander of a mercenary spacefleet is still remarkably fresh after however-many-books-it's-been catharine asaro - recent discovery; her novels tend to stand hoary sf cliches on their heads, like _catch the lightning_, which starts off like a faster-paced, more rigorously worked out version of _the terminator_ before whooshing off-planet, or the recent _the last hawk_, in which a genetically augmented fighter pilot crashes onto a matriarchal planet in a sort of very pointedly anti-Flash Gordon fashion - -- d. - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 03:09:00 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: sf etc On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 11:04:17PM -0400, dmw wrote: > lois mcmaster bujold - mostly character-driven space opera. the stories Not to mention the 2nd recipient of the Edna St. Vincent Millay Award for being the Writer Most Likely to Appear as the Last Line of a Limerick . :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:31:57 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: sf etc Hey folks, Doug said: >catharine asaro - recent discovery; her novels tend to stand hoary sf >cliches on their heads, like _catch the lightning_, which starts off like >a faster-paced, more rigorously worked out version of _the terminator_ >before whooshing off-planet, or the recent _the last hawk_, in which a >genetically augmented fighter pilot crashes onto a matriarchal planet in a >sort of very pointedly anti-Flash Gordon fashion I'm not quite sure what I think about this series, actually. I thought "Primary Inversion" was fantastic and "Catch the Lightning" was fairly good, but didn't think too much of "The Last Hawk" at all. Oh well. I guess we're only three books into the series so far, so we'll see how it shapes up from here... :) sherlyn ps - does anybody know if WB are planning a soundtrack album for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "So take a seat, in the world of the open-minded..." - Ellis Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:07:49 -0400 From: primecd Subject: Re: ANNIE GALLUP on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED Hi All: We at Prime CD are so proud of Annie Gallup. Thanks to Annie's work and some help from our publicists (Hillary Jackson and Karl Rybacki) and radiio promoters (Biff Kennedy and Jason Albaum), Annie will be featured on NPR's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED on THURSDAY MAY 13. Finally, a couple of million people will get to hear her music - challengiing songs which defy genre categorization and that have earned her the title of consummate song poet. Thanks to all of you who have made this possible - DJ's, retailers, writers and club promoters, etc. We couldn't have created the current "buzz" about Annie without you. Now that The Murri Agency is booking Annie and her tour schedule is filling up, we hope each of you can get to see her perform "live" - because as good as she is on tape, there is an intensity at a performance that is hard to fit into the "grooves". david seitz/prime cd - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Prime CD Real Music From a Real Indie www.primecd.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:11:10 +0100 From: birdie Subject: Tracey Thorn of EBTG Hi.. FYI Just a heads up to let you know that Tracey Thorn of Everything But The Girl has a cameo role in Star Wars: Phantom Menace as a Jedi spaceship captain (pilot). Her ship flying by is the very first shot of the film, and it cuts to her and her co-pilot preparing to land....soon after ...she is in the spaceship parked in a hangar Cheers Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:15:10 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Sara Ayers News Sara Ayers news for all interested. New samples available! - --Neile n.p. David Usher, _Little Songs_ (sigh) n.r. Salman Rushdie, _The Ground Beneath Her Feet_ >X-Sender: saraayers@saraayers.com >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:54:06 -0400 >To: neile@sff.net >From: Sara Ayers >Subject: All About Me... >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Spring is here and look what's popping out of the dirt! >_____________________________________________________________ >I have a new web address. I'm the queen here. I'm just >trying to figure out where my crown fell off and rolled to… > > http://www.saraayers.com > >_____________________________________________________________ >"I Once Remembered Everything" has been selected to appear on >the C.R.U.M.B.S. CD Compilation. As my friend Dana said, >"Nuggets, then Pebbles, now Crumbs?" No, silly! C.R.U.M.B.S >is the Capital Region Unofficial Music and Bands Site: > > http://www.serve.com/jukebox/cd/ > >_____________________________________________________________ >I have a new mailing list for music announcements. My music >mailing list is getting too big to continue to administer by >hand, so I'm switching to an automated system. This is the last >newsletter I'm sending out using the old list. And since it >seems just a little rude to add people to the new list without >some kind of confirmation on their part, I'm asking people to >subscribe themselves to the new music announcement list. It >doesn't come out very often so I promise it won't clog up your >mailbox. > >(If you've just subscribed to the old list, I apologize for >making you subscribe again to the new list. [Sigh.] Technology >marches on and we must keep up.) > >THIS IS IMPORTANT: If you ever want to get another of these mailings, >you MUST send an email message to majordomo@saraayers.com with >the words > subscribe announce > end > >in the body (not the subject) of the message. > >Confused? Point your browser here: > > http://www.saraayers.com/maillist.htm > >Still confused? Write to me (ayers@saraayers.com) and I'll >straighten you right out. And you'll make me feel useful and >important. > >_____________________________________________________________ >I've posted new song samples ("Starless" and "I Awake To Snow >Falling In My Room") here: > > http://www.saraayers.com/listen.htm > >_____________________________________________________________ >Leaping into the amazing world of MP3s… > > http://www.mp3.com/saraayers > http://www.mp3vault.com/sara_ayers > >The IndieGrrl MP3 page is just getting started, but will snowball >in the coming weeks. It features an amazing group of women: > > http://www.mp3.com/indiegrrl > >_____________________________________________________________ >If you're a musician, don't forget my DIY page, a resource for >recording and promoting your own music: > > http://www.saraayers.com/mlinks.htm > >_____________________________________________________________ >Upcoming gigs: >Not a one. Nada. Zilch. >(I'll keep you posted.) > > > >Thanks for all your support and encouragement! Have a great >summer! > >--- Sara xxx > >_____________________________________________________________ >If you don't wish to receive this newsletter anymore, do >nothing and you won't! >To subscribe to this newsletter: > http://www.saraayers.com/maillist.htm > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #169 **************************