From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #167 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 05 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: purple [Bill Mazur ] Re: Dune (Was: purple) [Bill Mazur ] Re: The Ecto CD Store Directory [Bill Mazur ] Colleen Coadic's Recent [Peter Clark ] My (Tori) Music store directory [Shirley Ye ] AIDS-related songs [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Ecto Store Site fixed [Kay S Cleaves ] Re: AIDS-related songs [HORTER!!! ] Jill Carole [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: purple [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Dune (Was: purple) [Joseph Zitt ] Re: purple [jjhanson@att.net] Martha & The Muffins News [Neile Graham ] My Scarlet Life news [Neile Graham ] Bloem de Ligny [Neile Graham ] SF books (was Re: purple) [Neile Graham ] Re: SF books (was Re: purple) [jjhanson@att.net] Re: SF books (was Re: purple) [Neile Graham ] SF books (was Re: purple) [Steve VanDevender ] Re: SF books (was Re: purple) [larnep@pathfinder.com] Re: SF books (was Re: purple) [Neile Graham ] Re: AIDS-related songs [Neal Copperman ] Re: purple [Chris Sampson ] RE: The Ecto CD Store Directory ["Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" ] [SusanCourtNews] shows and throes of getting there [Neile Graham Subject: Re: purple Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 10:28:25PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > > > I always really enjoy your posts and nearly always agree with what you have to > > say. However, here is one time that I must differ with your opinion. I do not > > agree that the film version of Dune is better than the book. Frank Herbert is > > one of my favorite authors and Dune is one of my all time favorite books. > > Yeah, I guess we disagree here: I've always found the book to be slapdash > and sorta half-conceived, though by "Children of Dune" he did seem to get > the feel for how to tell a story. In what ways did you find Dune to be slapdash Joseph? I'm curious. > A funny anecdote: an acquaintance of mine from years back interviewed > Herbert over his career on the radio and kept the tapes. After writing > the two novellas that got packaged together as the "Dune" volume, > Herbet insisted that the story was now complete. After "Dune Messiah" > he stated that the story was always supposed to continue to the ending of > that book, and that we now had the full story of Dune. That is, until > the publication of "Children of Dune", when he stated that the world > now had the complete Dune trilogy. When, after the fourth book, Herbert > came on the show and made a similar claim, the guy played back the previous > tapes for him. It triggered an embarassed silence. That is funny. I guess you've got to keep track of what you say to an interviewer. ;-) Herbert should have known that. Wasn't he originally a newspaper reporter? > (I usually find that people who really like Dune got to it early in their > SF reading. I may have been spoiled by not getting to it for a while -- I > think it was in 1977, when I was already on the Worldcon committee, that > I got around to it.) That's an interesting observation. I did start reading Herbert relatively early in my SF/fantasy reading. I am curious as to some of your favorite SF/fantasy authors and books. What has substance in that genre in your opinion and why? Thanks, Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:23:27 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Dune (Was: purple) > Joe wrote: > > It's a pretty good rule of thumb, but there are exceptions: > off the top of my head, I thought Dune, Yentl, and > Dr. Strangelove were better than the books from which they > were made. > > I was *really* expecting to find a smiley when I saw Dune in this > list. :) (Perhaps the others merit smileys as well?) > > And Bill responded: > > Although I am a David Lynch fan (Eraserhead, The Elephant > Man, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks: Firewalk With Me > are all very good and some of my favorites), I feel that he > didn't do justice with the film version of Dune. > > Apparently, Lynch didn't like the result either, as he disowned the > movie by having the generic "Alan Smithee" substituted for his name in > the credits... I actually liked the movie resonably well, as long as > I divorced it from the book; the whole business with the "weirding > modules" was pretty ludicrous in comparison with the book, though. > > Greg Greg, Thanks for the incite on "Alan Smithee". I didn't realize that Lynch wasn't happy with the end result. In seeing interviews with him and Herbert just prior to the release of the film it seemed like they were both pleased with how the film turned out. Maybe that was just pre-release marketing hype. I remember Herbert saying something like "People are worried about what David is doing with my baby. Well let me tell you that he is taking wonderful care of my baby" (or something along those lines). I do agree with you that the movie is fairly good if you view in it's own right and seperate it from the book. Much of it was very well done. Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:24:44 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: The Ecto CD Store Directory Kay S Cleaves wrote: > Hey folks! > > I've managed to put together a small web directory of CD Stores, with > store names, locations, and commentary pulled from the recent posts to my > thread. If you want to check out the site, it's up and running at > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Music/Ectostores.html > > For any of you who made comments, if you want your commentary to be > removed, just let me know off list and I will do so. Thanks! Great work Kay! Thanks for the wonderful resource. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:35:13 -0700 From: Peter Clark Subject: Colleen Coadic's Recent Has anyone heard Colleen Coadic's most recent (2nd?) Her first was a little uneven, but brilliant in parts and certainly worth a listen. I'd have to go to a certain amount of trouble to get her latest, and a preview would be helpful. TIA. Regards, Peter Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:04:29 -0700 From: Shirley Ye Subject: My (Tori) Music store directory I put together a compilation of on-line CD stores some years back... its geared towards Tori Amos =P But I think it is rather helpful in finding other artists too... I am quite proud of it. I hope its not too out of date, and its more "commercial" than Kay's. =P Let me know what you guys think!!! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305/torishop.html Shirley Ye Berkeley, California shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu I am not an angry girl, but it seems like I've got everyone fooled. Every time I say something they find hard to hear, they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear. - -Ani Difranco, Not a Pretty Girl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 02:30:00 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: AIDS-related songs Allow me to recommend: - -- the original version of "Tomorrow Wendy" by Andy Prieboy (lead singer of Wall of Voodoo) on his 1990 LP _Upon My Wicked Son_ (Doctor Dream Records). Truly sad and utterly beautiful. - -- "Stating the Obvious" by Xtal (pronounced "crystal") from the 1993 EP _Good Luck_ (Alias Records) for a blisteringly angry protest of lack of compassion for AIDS victims. Sample lyrics: "Some of my friends have died of pain you can't imagine / Now they're gone for good / And then you tell the nation / It's all their own fault. / (chorus) Don't tread on my loved ones / Don't you even try / Don't toy with our anger / We've got the right to live...." (It sings better than it reads.) - -- "Don't Use Your Penis for a Brain" by Romanovsky and Phillips on the Fresh Fruit LP _Trouble in Paradise._ By the team that brought you "Living with AIDS," "Some of My Best Friends Are Straight," and "What Kind of Self-Respecting Faggot Am I?" You get the idea. Scott Tissue El Cajon CA live on-line: KCR-FM (killer chick rock) http://kcr.sdsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:44:05 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Ecto Store Site fixed Hey folks Thanks for the nice comments I'm already getting--Shirley's got a great site, too! Anyways, if you dropped by earlier, the form to add stores to the list wasn't working yet, but it is now. :) And check out the webring while you're at it! (Yes, I added my own site to the ring. Completely self-aggrandizing, but I figured it wasn't out of place.) - --Kay np: Lisa Dal Bello: Live at the El Mocambo, Toronto. (Thanks, Dave!) nr: Sandman: Preludes and Nocturnes ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:39:07 -0400 From: HORTER!!! Subject: Re: AIDS-related songs At 02:30 AM 5/11/99 -0800, Russ Lewis wrote: >Allow me to recommend: > >-- the original version of "Tomorrow Wendy" by Andy Prieboy (lead singer of >Wall of Voodoo) on his 1990 LP _Upon My Wicked Son_ (Doctor Dream Records). >Truly sad and utterly beautiful. Is this the same "Tomorrow Wendy" that was on Concrete Blonde's _Bloodletting_ disc? I think it was written by Prieboy, but I don't have the disc to double check. And I always thought Stan Ridgway was the lead singer of Wall of Voodoo? The voice is so distinctive... HORTER!!! np: REM - Up nr: John Grisham - The Testament ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Jill Carole Hello.. Does anyone know anything about a singer called Jill Carole? Anna Maria np-Bloem de Ligny-Zink(thanks Marion) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:50:51 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: purple On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 11:09:36PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > In what ways did you find Dune to be slapdash Joseph? I'm curious. I don't recall clearly, it being some twenty-odd years since I read it. One thing that did stick with me was his somewhat messy use of languages: the mystery over what Kwisatz Haderach (or however he spelled it) was nonexistent for some of us, since it's just mispronounced Hebrew for "meeting of the roads". Why he chose Hebrew in the first place then just tweaked it a little struck me as a move that could have used more thought. I don't remember much else about it. > That's an interesting observation. I did start reading Herbert relatively early in > my SF/fantasy reading. I am curious as to some of your favorite SF/fantasy authors > and books. What has substance in that genre in your opinion and why? I haven't read much fiction in quite a while, but favorites have been, off the top of my head: - -- Samuel R. Delany, for his intricate writing and playing with the foundations of the genre. "Triton" and "Dhalgren" (though that is questionably science fiction (but definitely speculative fiction)) are my favorites; I think I've given away more copies of Dhalgren than of any other book other than, perhaps, Strunk and White. (No, despite living in DC, I have never given anyone a copy of Leaves of Grass :-]) I don't care as much for his more recent work, though there are a couple i haven't gotten to yet. - -- Harlan Ellison, for his energy and incisiveness. - -- Theodore Sturgeon, mostly works of gentle beauty, such as Godbody and his short stories. - -- Edgar Pangborn, who didn't write many books but his "Davy" is a classic. - -- Robert Silverberg's writing in the 70s, especially Dying Inside and Son of Man. - -- Isaac Asimov's work, not because he was a great literary stylist, but for the clarity of his ideas and writing. - -- J G Ballard for repeatedly blowing my mind with experiments such as "The Sound Sweep" and "The Assasination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy Considered as a Downhill Bicycle Race" (I think) I got into SF when I was a kid; being a systematic type, when I got a card to the grownups section of the public library, I worked my way through the entire SF section in order, from Abbott to Zamyatin. I found the Ellison-edited anthologies "Dangerous Visions" and "Again, Dangerous Visions" sometime later, which pointed me in whole other directions. Oh yeah: my single sentimental favortie SF novel is Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", though I intentionally haven't read it in a long time, since everytime I do, I start unavoidably talking like the characters, which, while efficient, annoys everyone :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:54:41 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Dune (Was: purple) On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 11:23:27PM -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: > Thanks for the incite on "Alan Smithee". I didn't realize that Lynch > wasn't happy with the end result. In seeing interviews with him and > Herbert just prior to the release of the film it seemed like they were > both pleased with how the film turned out. Maybe that was just pre-release > marketing hype. I remember Herbert saying something like "People are > worried about what David is doing with my baby. Well let me tell you that > he is taking wonderful care of my baby" (or something along those lines). As I recall, the theatrical movie went out under his own name, but he took it off the edited-for-TV version, on which De Laurentis chopped and changed a lot, putting on a sort of slide-show intro that put the story in context. (There's a lot I like about that version, but then, I also prefer the producer's cut of "Brazil" to the director's. so your mileage may vary.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:22:32 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: purple Bill Mazur wrote: >>I am curious as to some of your favorite SF/fantasy >>authors and books. What has substance in that genre in >>your opinion and why? >> Joseph Zitt responded: > -- Samuel R. Delany, for his intricate writing and >playing with the foundations of the genre. When I first read Bill's question I thought --Samuel R. Delany--Dhalgren. I first read this book in 8th grade and it blew my mind. Although I probably first made it through it because I was looking for the many and varied sex scenes, I've re-read it several times over the years and am always completely amazed at his writing. While much of his other work is interesting, this book definitely stands out as being the most ambitious. Stars in My Pockets LIke Grains of Sand is a close second, but doesn't capture the poetic magic and mystery of Dahlgren. (Is the sequel to that ever going to come out?) I can't recommend Dahlgren highly enough. I read his book "The Mad Man" lately and its just kind of perverse. Still a great read, though it is definitely not science fiction of any kind. I used to read a ton of science fiction in junior high and high school, but gave up on it when I could never read a single novel--it seemed like everything was part of some long drawn out series, written primarily to make money rather than to tell a story. However, I've started to get back into it. A recent find I'm quite impressed with is Jonathon Lethem--As She Climbed Across teh Table transcends science fiction. Connie WIllis also writes good readable fiction, though I wouldnt' call it literary. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:54:09 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Martha & The Muffins News Forwarded from the Muffins list for those interested. - --Neile >X-Authentication-Warning: itre.itre.ncsu.edu: majordom set sender to >owner-muffins using -f >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:36:46 -0400 >From: Ken Hamilton >Organization: Tweedle Beatles Ltd. >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "muffins@itre.itre.ncsu.edu" >Subject: muffins: hot news! >Sender: owner-muffins@itre.itre.ncsu.edu >Precedence: bulk > >Just got this bulletin from Mark: >>>>>>>> >We finally got a performance slot on the Open Mike With Mike Bullard >Show >(Canada's late-night talk show), to promote the "Then Again" CD, but the >show's producers insisted we play "Echo Beach". So Martha and I put a >band together to do that: (Jocelyne Lanois-bass, Nick Gane-keyboards, >Sarah Keates-keyboards and Tom Bona-drums). It's being aired this >Thursday >(May 13th) on the Comedy Channel as well as later on CTV. I believe >it's the same Comedy Channel as in the States so you might actually >see it down there sometime. ><<<<<<< > >Actually I don't get cable. So, somebody, please tape it!!! Maybe we >pass copies around? > >Ken > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:58:43 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: My Scarlet Life news My Scarlet Life news for anyone interested. - --Neile >From: DivaNation@aol.com >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 02:03:09 EDT >Subject: New MSL Dates Added: Metro, Suburbs, Louisville, St Louis >To: TISavant@aol.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > >Hello! 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If you want off just let us know and >you'll be promptly deleted! > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:21:25 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Bloem de Ligny anna maria wrote: >np-Bloem de Ligny-Zink(thanks Marion) Wow, isn't this great? She sounds _so_ much like Bjork, but the music is quite different--more inventive art/altrock. I love it! (Thanks to Marion from me, too!) Check out http://www.bloemdeligny.com/ (click on the amoeba looking thing to get to the MP3 files). - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:24:46 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: SF books (was Re: purple) Jeff Hanson wrote: >A recent find I'm quite impressed >with is Jonathon Lethem--As She Climbed Across teh Table >transcends science fiction. Connie WIllis also writes >good readable fiction, though I wouldnt' call it >literary. I read more fantasy than science fiction and have read more literary mainstreatm fiction than all of those, but since I attended Clarion West in 1996 (a workshop for speculative fiction writers) I've been reading more SF than I used to. I also think Jonathan Lethem is a wonderful writer by any standards. _Girl in Landscape_ is an extraordinary novel. I enjoy Connie Willis, but find her books a little messy to recommend as "good fiction", though she's really popular amongst readers in the field. I would also recommend Jack Womack, especially the bleak but ingenious _Random Acts of Senseless Violence_. Geoff Ryman, _Was_, _The Child Garden_ and the delightful _253_ which is available on the web at http://www.ryman-novel.com. One of my favourite novels of recent years (not clear if it's SF or Fantasy or if that matters) is Candace Jane Dorsey's _Black Wine_. I also like Kim Stanley Robinson's writing, especially his Mars series (Red, Green, and Blue Mars) and Antarctica (aka White Mars for the silly-minded). I could go on and on about this but will stop now. - --Neile n.p. (in my head) Bloem de Ligny's _Zink_ n.r. Salman Rushdie, _The Ground Beneath Her Feet_ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:34:08 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) Neile writes: > One of my favourite novels of recent years (not clear >if it's SF or Fantasy > or if that matters) is Candace Jane Dorsey's _Black >Wine_. > Is she any relation to Gail Ann Dorsey? (Just had to ask, due to the similarity of the names). Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:04:24 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) Jeff wrote: >Neile writes: >> One of my favourite novels of recent years (not clear >>if it's SF or Fantasy >> or if that matters) is Candace Jane Dorsey's _Black >>Wine_. >> >Is she any relation to Gail Ann Dorsey? (Just had >to ask, due to the similarity of the names). I would doubt it unless Gail Ann Dorsey has a Canadian connection. Candas Jane Dorsey lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: SF books (was Re: purple) Neile Graham writes: > I also like Kim Stanley Robinson's writing, especially his Mars series > (Red, Green, and Blue Mars) and Antarctica (aka White Mars for the > silly-minded). Hmm. I got through the Mars trilogy, but when asked to describe them, only the words "Long. Very long." come to mind. I mostly enjoyed them, and you have to give him credit for being amazingly thorough and accurate in his depiction of Mars and how people come to live on it, but it's not a series for people with short attention spans. It's been a while since I mentioned how much I love Gene Wolfe, so I'll do it again. _The Book of the New Sun_ is a classic, and it's still in print in a pair of very handsome trade paperbacks (_Shadow & Claw_, _Sword & Citadel_) each containing two volumes. Last year I was introduced to Iain (M.) Banks, a Scottish writer who alternates writing semi-hard SF and mainstream books. (The "M." indicates it's one of his science fiction books.) He's a bit hard to find but worth it. _Use of Weapons_ is an absolutely stunning book. His other SF titles include _Consider Phlebas_, _The Player of Games_, and _Excession_. You can get an even more complete list and more background at www.phlebas.com. ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 14:55:26 -0400 From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) Steve VanDevender writes: > Neile Graham writes: > > I also like Kim Stanley Robinson's writing, especially his Mars series > > (Red, Green, and Blue Mars) and Antarctica (aka White Mars for the > > silly-minded). > Hmm. I got through the Mars trilogy, but when asked to describe > them, only the words "Long. Very long." come to mind. I have to agree--for good writing, I much prefer Robinson's pre-Mars books such as _Icehenge_, _The Memory of Whiteness_, or the _Green Mars_ novella (not be be confused with the _Green Mars_ novel). Along with Sam Delany, I'd also recommend Robert Holdstock, especially the Mythago Woods series (and of those, especially _Lavondyss_). And I'd probably count Connie Willis's _To Say Nothing of the Dog_ as literary. nr: Neal Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_ (didn't like _Snow Crash_, liked _Diamond Age_, and so far _Cryptonomicon_ looks to be in the _Diamond Age_ category) - -- Dan Riley dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University "History teaches us that days like this are best spent in bed" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:18:11 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) Dan wrote: >I have to agree--for good writing, I much prefer Robinson's pre-Mars >books such as _Icehenge_, _The Memory of Whiteness_, or the _Green >Mars_ novella (not be be confused with the _Green Mars_ novel). Well, I read very quickly, and loved the Mars series--found the detail fascinating, but what I like best about the series were the characters. >Along with Sam Delany, I'd also recommend Robert Holdstock, especially >the Mythago Woods series (and of those, especially _Lavondyss_). Well, if we're getting in fantasy I have a whole other list of authors to recommend. I would second the recommendation for Holdstock. Lavyondyss is my favourite of his, too, though most people recommend Mythago Wood. Emma Bull Guy Gavriel Kay (anything he's written) Peter Beagle Jonathan Carroll (especially Sleeping in Flames and Bones of the Moon) Angela Carter John Crowley Charles de Lint (especially Memory and Dream) Alan Garner (amazing!) Lisa Goldstein (especially Tourists) Ellen Kushner Patricia McKillip Patrick O'Leary Meredith Ann Pierce (The Darkangel Trilogy) Phillip Pullman Sherri S. Tepper (especially the True Game series, The Gate to Women's Country and her most recent couple--I'll start her newest once I'm done with the new Rushdie--thank god for great library systems) Paul Whitcover Jane Yolen (especially Briar Rose) And of course there's always Meredith's sister, Judith Tarr. My favourite of hers is still her first Hound and the Falcon Trilogy. Children's Fantasy Joy Chant Susan Cooper Monica Furlong Alan Garner Diana Wynne Jones William Mayne (especially It, Earthfasts, Cradlefasts) Robin McKinley O.R. Melling Garth Nix (especially Sabriel) Sherwood Smith (especially Court Duel and Crown Duel) Jane Yolen (especially the Magic Three of Solatia) I could go on and on. Mostly I like fantasy that has mythic echoes. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: larnep@pathfinder.com Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) Neile wrote: > Well, if we're getting in fantasy I have a whole other list of authors to > recommend. Anyone else familiar with Storm Constantine? I just finished her Wraeththu trilogy, and absolutely loved it. - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:01:37 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: SF books (was Re: purple) At 3:43 PM -0400 5/11/99, larnep@pathfinder.com wrote: >Neile wrote: > >> Well, if we're getting in fantasy I have a whole other list of authors to >> recommend. > >Anyone else familiar with Storm Constantine? I just finished her >Wraeththu trilogy, and absolutely loved it. While I liked it, it also really bugged me (lame, belated oh-yeah-here's a place for the wimmen, sorta). I also found the book a bit plodding, and it didn't really get intensely interesting to me until the very end. Anyway, don't want to get into lit crit here, just that this isn't for everyone. The male-centredness of the entire concept (that suddenly there is a race of supermen who kinda encompass both male and female but they're very male and their power struggles are male) surprised me, especially as the author is female. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:16:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: AIDS-related songs On Tue, 11 May 1999, HORTER!!! wrote: > At 02:30 AM 5/11/99 -0800, Russ Lewis wrote: > >Allow me to recommend: > > > >-- the original version of "Tomorrow Wendy" by Andy Prieboy (lead singer of > >Wall of Voodoo) on his 1990 LP _Upon My Wicked Son_ (Doctor Dream Records). > >Truly sad and utterly beautiful. > Is this the same "Tomorrow Wendy" that was on Concrete Blonde's > _Bloodletting_ disc? I think it was written by Prieboy, but I don't have > the disc to double check. > And I always thought Stan Ridgway was the lead singer of Wall of Voodoo? > The voice is so distinctive... I gotta work from memory here too, cause I have the Wall of Voodoo LP that gives me the answers in storage in Maryland. Stan Ridgway was the original lead singer of Wall of Voodoo. He left for a solo career (I think around 1987). Wall of Voodoo did not break up, but continued to put out at least a few records. I don't know of Prieboy was a group member or if he came in from outside, but on the first post-Ridgway album, he sings lead. That's the one I have, and I can't remember what it is called. I thought Ridgway had a pretty distinctive voice too, so i was really surprised when I got that album and it sounded pretty similar to the old WoV sound. Not exactly the same, but fairly close. Less quirkily angular, and a bit more radio-ready, I thought. I think Tomorrow Wendy is on that album, but I'm not totally sure. If so, I think it predates the solo album mentioned above. It is the same version as the Concrete Blonde song. I think for a very small time when the album came out, I heard some WoV on the radio, but it didn't seem to have a long lifespan. I don't think I ever hear anything more than Mexican Radio or their wonderful cover of Ring of Fire anymore (and that very rarely), and those are definitely Ridgway era songs. (Isn't there one other WoV song that got radio play?) Seems like Ridgway's solo stuff had more comercial success. neal np: Holiday - Verbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:14:33 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: purple > Subject: Re: purple > Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:09:04 -0400 > From: Chris Sampson > To: Joseph Zitt > > Joseph Zitt wrote: > > "meeting of the roads". Why he chose Hebrew in the first place then > > just tweaked it a little struck me as a move that could have used more > > thought. I don't remember much else about it. > > I *think* the point of using tweaked Hebrew was mainly as a > means of > connecting the culture in the book/movie to existent, terran cultures. > Jews were discovered later in the series of books... another diaspora. > There were many other such parallels; the desert culture in general, the > history of the Butlerian Jihad, The Orange Catholic Bible etc... I > believe he 'chose Hebrew... and just tweaked it a little' as an > illustration of the premise that if a strongly cohesive culture DID > pioneer and DID continue to exist, its language (and other elements of > its culture) would be similar but almost certainly be a LITTLE > different. Herbert even translates kwisatz haderach to mean something > similar to your translation ('the shortening of the way')... Paul > Atreides was the 'shortening of the way'... the mystic that could 'see' > all paths (even the ones that scared the hell out of the bene gesserit > sisters). > > Let me be clear, here... I LOVED the book (and even liked > several of > the sequels)... I disliked the movie. > > I went with a large group of people... The only ones who really > liked > the movie were those who: > > a) had NOT read the book, but... > > b) sat next to one of us who had (so we could explain some of the > stuff). > > I had several problems with some of the "devices" (the 'weirding > way' > is not a handheld unit, in the book, but, rather a demeanor and a set of > mystical/paranormal skills... oh, and you would only barely see the > shimmer of a body shield, and you would NEVER see a still suit... and, > well, the ending was just plain stupid) > > AAAAnyway... That's just my $0.02... > > Chris - -- (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today that the official release date for the new operating system "Windows 2000" will be delayed until the second quarter of 1901. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:39:11 -0500 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: RE: The Ecto CD Store Directory Anyway this can be moved to smoe.org, so we can have one "central" location? - -----Original Message----- From: Kay S Cleaves [mailto:kscleaves@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 11:02 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: The Ecto CD Store Directory Hey folks! I've managed to put together a small web directory of CD Stores, with store names, locations, and commentary pulled from the recent posts to my thread. If you want to check out the site, it's up and running at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Music/Ectostores.html For any of you who made comments, if you want your commentary to be removed, just let me know off list and I will do so. Thanks! - --Kay ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:38:50 -0500 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: RE: SF books (was Re: purple) Lately I've been getting into the Adult Fairy Tales. With the anthologies edited by Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling (such as "Black Thorn White Rose" (I think that's a title)) and the series of books introduced by Terri Windling (I'm reading _Briar Rose_ by Jane Yolen). It's all very excellent. Plus, some of the anthology books have stories by Neil Gaiman (how's that for a thread? :-)). Highly recommended. Plus all this talk about Dune stirs up some memories. I first read _Dune_ when I was in high school (in the very early 80's) and it stuck with me ever since. Too cool. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 22:52:56 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Bel Canto touring in America ... not North America, though. Here are the (confirmed) tourdates for Mexico: Friday 21 May in "Cine Bella Época" Mexico City Saturday 22 May in "Cine Bella Época" Mexico City Sunday 23 May in "Lado B" Guadalajara City Their manager said that they wanted to continue up the US West Coast, but no dates have been set so far. Kjetil T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:47:50 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: [SusanCourtNews] shows and throes of getting there Susan Court news for those interested. - --Neile >X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.1) >From: Susan Court >Date: Tue, 11 May 99 18:16:51 -0700 >To: SusanCourtNews@onelist.com >X-Url: http://www.omnigroup.com/People/delirium/ >Mailing-List: list SusanCourtNews@onelist.com; contact >SusanCourtNews-owner@onelist.com >Delivered-To: mailing list SusanCourtNews@onelist.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Reply-to: SusanCourtNews-owner@onelist.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: [SusanCourtNews] shows and throes of getting there > >From: Susan Court > >This performing thing is definitely something I could get used to. >The show at Kells with Brandon Morgan and Jen Cass was great fun, >even lucrative, thanks to the enthusiastic and supportive crowd. >Additional walk-in traffic was light due to mom's day, but those in >attendance made up for it with whoops and hollers. Thanks so much >for coming!!! Sorry to those who showed up late and missed my >segment. I stalled as long as I could. :) > >For Seattlites who missed the show, my next one within easy distance >is at Shakabrah Java in Tacoma on Saturday, June 19th, starting at 8 >pm. Will send out a reminder closer to the date. Also will be >playing June 6th in Centralia (The Matrix). >----- >So if you're going to dream, might as well dream big. I've entered >"Blight & Bonny" in the Lilith Fair online talent search; the top 10 >vote-getters will proceed to a panel of judges for final selection of >who will open for the August 19th presentation of Lilith Fair at the >New World Music Theatre in Tinley Park, Illinois. Just for laughs, >please vote for my song - register with xoom.com, it's free and shouldn't >result in any spamming - and find "Blight & Bonny" at page 2 of the >following >URL: > >http://sharehouse.xoom.com/lilith.php3 > >Be sure to vote for the version of "Blight & Bonny" currently listed two >songs below the other version. Somehow it got listed twice - the web script >took my description update and made a whole new listing out of it, which >might disqualify me since only one entry is allowed, but I've emailed them >about the problem - meanwhile please vote for the version that says "Susan >Court's hot single (mp3.com Song of the Day 5/3/99) is a battlecry!" Thanks! >----- >This MP3.com thing was a good move to make, I reckon. "Blight & Bonny" was >chosen as featured Song of the Day on the main mp3.com site May 3rd, >resulting in some 938 downloads that day! :) Thanks for the support! >----- >OK, very early tomorrow I'm off to LA again for the Kosovo Benefit >shows on the 14th and 15th. If you happen to be in the area, stop by >and see if I've managed to survive the first half of a long road >trip without any internet access whatsoever. > >Exile Books & Music, Sherman Oaks - Friday May 14th starting at 8pm >Borders Books & Music, Santa Barbara - Saturday May 15th starting at 1pm >Garden Village Cafe, Ventura - Saturday May 15th starting at 8pm > >Thanks once again... and bye for now! > >-Susan > >Susan Court-----susan@fundeling.com------www.fundeling.com > "Ectophilic" pop from Seattle: debut album High Relief >Fundeling Productions PO Box 61128 Seattle, WA 98121 >Indiegrrl---Breaking the Sound Barrier---www.indiegrrl.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ONElist: where the world talks! >http://www.onelist.com >Join a new list today. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #167 **************************