From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #111 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, March 27 1999 Volume 05 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: something that's longer than it should be [neal copperman ] Re: Used CD websites [Michael Stevens ] Re: Katell Keineg [Richard Holmes ] The World is a Wonderful Place [Neal Copperman ] Re: The World is a Wonderful Place ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] a damn cool thing [cinders blue ] Re: The World is a Wonderful Place [Neile Graham ] Re: a damn cool thing [meredith ] Re: kristeen young in new england [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Hooplessly Unfroody] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:50:32 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: something that's longer than it should be At 7:52 PM -0500 3/25/99, meredith wrote: >You are SO right. I had never thought of my "deities" as "wavelength >artists" before, but that's really what they are. I think I'm going to >have to reclassify my "deities list" on my web page now in light of this >... it just makes so much SENSE. ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ Since light is on various wavelengths too, I think you have a whole new classification technique in front of you. What don't you give SPECIFIC wavelengths to your artists, which'll come with colors and various other qualities (i.e., visible versus invisible). :) neal np: Cry Cry Cry at Amoeba on the Haight Just returned from Joy Eden Harrison in Taos. Tomorrow she's doing a house concert in Santa Fe. Reviews to follow eventually. (Plus, New Mexico debuts by Susan McKeown and Solas.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: F&J After people got talking bemusedly about the new Fleming & John album, I dug out my copy of =Delusions of Grandeur= (which I hadn't listened to in a long time) and discovered that I still liked it. So when an opportunity to pick up a cheap copy of =The Way We Are= presented itself last night, I succumbed. And I like it, too. I think the key to listening to them is to not expect the music to be any one way at any particular time, nor for very long. Sometimes it'll be very pretty, sometimes it'll be a bit unhinged, and always likely to change the next moment. Kind of like a Kristeen Young album... Speaking of whom, let's put it this way: if it seemed practical to go that far out of town midweek, I'd be there. One woman, one keyboard (and her drummer) doing her best to emulate a Kate Bush video (and I mean that in a good--though bemused--way). And the music will grab you by the shirtfront and shake you. Maybe she'll get down to New York again soon. (Meredith: She =did= play CBs Gallery once, which is almost LivingRoomlike.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:49:28 -0500 From: Michael Stevens Subject: Re: Used CD websites Drew , that fiend, wrote: >I ran into this fairly comprehensive list of on-line used cd sales sites: > >http://www.nondairy.com/People/Raven/C.list.html > >Sorry to have foisted this on you. Kiss your life goobye! I read the digest in the mornings, before I dress or shower or even brush my teeth. Naturally, my resistance to infection by dangerous ideas is lower at this time of day. While my better judgement hit the snooze bar just once more, I found out about a Deborah Henson-Conant disc I didn't know existed, and located new copies of discs by Hyperium groups Stoa and Ophelia's Dream. And that was just in the first fifteen minutes! It's gonna be a white-knuckled, omigoshIreallyneedthatone butI'mnotgonnabuyityet weekend. Happy Friday, ectophiles. Except you, Drew. ;) - --Michael npimh: Karen Matheson, =The Dreaming Sea= nr: John Crowley, =Little, Big= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:41:36 -0800 From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Katell Keineg On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, meredith writes: > John inquired: > > > I keep seeing people mention Katell Keineg's album "Jet" here on the > >list... and I'm wondering whether or not I should swallow whatever's > >keeping me from buying it... I bought "Ô seasons Ô castles", her first > >album, and I thought it was very thin and lightweight and airy and I > >couldn't get into it. And my question is if "Jet" is similar to that > >album, or if she made any significant leaps forward that might redeem > >her for me or not... > > Well, I have to state that I *love* _O Seasons O Castles_. I think it's > utterly brilliant. That said, I *love* _Jet_ too, but for different > reasons. I don't think it's as mindblowing as her debut, but I find it an > easier listen, so I end up putting it on more often. > > The opening track, "The Battle Of The Trees" is one of the strongest > openers of any disc in my collection. The crescendo is very moving. "One > Hell Of A Life", the "single" really doesn't do much for me, but the rest > of the album is just great. I agree that "Mother's Map" is worth the price > in admission of itself as well. I certainly wouldn't describe _Ô seasons Ô castles_ as "thin, lightweight, airy" as John does. Perhaps I'd say "raw, sparse, unpolished, heartfelt". I am one of the people who prefers OSOC to Jet, and the past ecto posts have been almost unanimous in preferring Jet, if they like either. For me, Jet has some really great moments, but lacks the intensity and presence I feel in OSOC. Definitely Jet is more accessible and poppy. I'm piping in only because I'm surprised to find someone who prefers OSOC speaking up! As for John's reluctance, they really are so different that you can't really judge one by the other. If you were annoyed by katell's voice and delivery on OSOC (and I know of people who, gasp, were ;-), then you may be surprised pleasantly by Jet. On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Valerie Kraemer writes: > In fact, it (OS, OC) is probably one of my top five > favorite CDs of the last few years. I first heard "Partisan" as a single > from that CD, and I expected it to become a hugely successful pop song. > I guess Katell Keineg is an acquired taste. I've encouraged a number of > my friends to listen to her music, and I've found no one as enthusiastic > about her as I am. I immediately latched on to OSOC, and played it several times a week for a few months, and regularly for a couple of years. I still play it and rate it as one of my faves, but lately more new purchases are slipping in and it is hard to get to *all* the old favorites. Definitely one of my top 10 in the last few years. I will admit that OSOC is an acquired taste, but Jet I don't see any real barriers to people accepting. Cyoakha speaks up: > hey John, I can highly recommend Jet, Katell seemed to have matured as a > song writer and a singer, on this one. I loved O Castles, and some stuff I > didn't care for but all are winners on her second. Much more accessable, a > little poppier, some killer stuff, no poems. tee hee I am bad, and yet I do > spoken word sometimes too but I know the audience is probably saying "oh > shut up Cyoakha and sing"..anyway, it is a really great album with > wonderful intelligent themes and great hooks. cy You know, I love that "10 foot snail" song. And the train song (waiting for you to smile?). Gotta find OSOC... ah - there it is! - -Richard. np: Emily's Sassy Lime: _Desparate, Scared, but Social_ nr: Robin McKinley: _Rose Daughter_ (thanks Neile!) @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@ccrma.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "If you could fill a veil with shells from Killarney's shore, @ | And sweet talk in a tongue that is no more, @ , , | , , If wishful thoughts could bridge / The Gulf of Araby between @ ' ' ' ' What is, what is, what is, / And what can never be. @ - Katell Keineg, "The Gulf of Araby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:47:55 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: The World is a Wonderful Place I've been listening to this Richard Thompson tribute disc for a few weeks at work now. I have the other one, Beat the Retreat, at home (or in Maryland), and it is a more rock and roll approach. Not surprising that World is much more gentle and folky, since it came out on Green Linnet. My listening at work is sort of erratic (actually, that could be said about my listening in general!), so a lot of songs just slide right by. Despite being a Victoria WIlliams fan, I have yet to notice when her version of Reckless Kind comes on. (I just went back and played it, and it hardly sounds like Victoria, which I guess is why I didn't notice.) Not surprisingly, many of my favorite tracks here are by women, many who I'm not that familiar with. I saw Christine Collister open for RT many years ago, and wasn't all that impressed. I think I heard the Collister-Gregson album too, and wasn't interested. But her cover of How Will I Ever Be Simple Again shows her voice as being richer and more moving than I remember. Anyone have any comments on her, or albums they particularly recommend? I rather like Sally Barker's voice too, and I"ve never heard of her. On the male side, Plainsong, fronted by Iain Matthews, sounds great on Galway to Graceland. I think I"ve seen that name too, but also don't know a thing. And one of my favorite tracks is Pharoah by the House Band, who I also don't know anything about. I really like Tom Robinson's voice (who I know a bit from old Happy Gift Project tapes, but don't know a thing about) on End of the Rainbow. When I bought this, people gave me a history of Peter Blegvad, but I find that his version of For Shame of Doing Wrong doesn't do much for me. But what I really wanted to know is if anyone knows who sings the title song? It's track 13, which is skipped on every track listing in the package, and it sounds wonderful. It's got that rich, British folk singing style which sounds a lot like June Tabor, who is notably absent on this compilation. (She's on Green Linnet, sometimes, and is always covering RT songs.) It's also interesting to me that only once or twice does anyone try to do anything with Thompson's guitarwork, instead focusing on the melodies of the songs. Oh, this isn't a new disc, in case anyone was wondering. It came out in 1993. neal np: The World is a Wonderful Place - Richard Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:14:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: The World is a Wonderful Place On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Neal Copperman wrote: > I really like Tom Robinson's voice (who I know a bit from old Happy Gift > Project tapes, but don't know a thing about) on End of the Rainbow. He's best known for his British hits of 20-odd years (yikes!) ago, "Glad to Be Gay" and "2-4-6-8 Motorway", and has had a bunch of albums since. I recently picked up his Enhanced CD, "Having It Both Ways", but haven't tried it yet. He's had some good collaborations, including with Pater Gabriel ("Buuly for You" from his second album, TRB II, produced by Todd Rundgren) and Elton John. But that's just off the top of my head. n.p. Dewey Redman / Cecil Taylor / Elvin Jones: Momentum Space n.r. A large pile of useless documentation that makes the dubious claim that this server software I'm screaming at actually does something other than dump core... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:58:03 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Patty Griffin tour info for 25 upcoming dates Hi folks :-) Below are the 25 dates that Patty Griffin will be touring on in April and May. Some are solo, many are opening for Lucinda Williams. I also have most of the venue addresses and phone numbers, but did not include them in this post. If you want that info also, please email me and I'll send you the full information version. Mike :-) *************** Solo Shows: *************** Sat 4/10 - Round Rock TX 10:00pm Old Settlers' Music Fest Fri 4/16 - New York City NY Time TBA The Fez Sat 4/17 - Northampton MA 7:00pm & 9:30pm The Iron Horse Music Hall Mon 4/19 - New York City NY Time TBA The Fez Tue 4/20 - Philadelphia PA 9:00pm Painted Bride Wed 4/21 - Alexandria VA 8:30pm Birchmere Thu 4/22 - Annapolis MD 9:15pm Rams Head Fri 4/23 - Philadelphia PA 9:00pm Painted Bride this WV date MAY be a tentative date....the spreadsheet wasn't clear on this point Sun 4/25 - Charleston WV Mtn Stage *********************************** Opening for Lucinda Williams: *********************************** The times for Pattys' sets are not determined yet.... ONLY the May 2nd date below is NOT an opener for Lucinda.... Tue 4/27 - Baton Rouge LA Varsity Theatre Wed 4/28 - Birmingham AL Five Points South Thu 4/29 - Knoxville TN Tennessee Theatre Sat 5/01 - Savannah GA Savannah Roundhouse NOT a date with Lucinda Williams Sun 5/02 - Nashville TN River Stages The rest are openers for Lucinda Mon 5/03 - Washington DC The 9:30 Nightclub Wed 5/05 - Johnson VT Johnson St. College Debden Center Thu 5/06 - Providence RI Lupos Heartbreak Hotel Sat 5/08 - Sea Bright NJ Tradewinds Sun 5/09 - Baltimore MD Shriver Hall Tue 5/11 - Pittsburgh PA Metropol Thu 5/13 - Cleveland OH Odeon Concert Club Fri 5/14 - Detroit MI Venue to be determined Sat 5/15 - Cincinnati OH Bogarts Tue 5/18 & Wed 5/19 - Nashville TN Venues to be determined - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:42:32 -0800 From: Beedles the Cat Subject: Re: Katell Keineg I just bought JET (for a BUCK!!), but for my tastes, the only song that held my interest was ENZO '96. Everything else, I personally found her voice extremely annoying. IMHO, of course... Richard Holmes wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, meredith writes: > > > John inquired: > > > > > I keep seeing people mention Katell Keineg's album "Jet" here on the > > >list... and I'm wondering whether or not I should swallow whatever's > > >keeping me from buying it... I bought "Ô seasons Ô castles", her first > > >album, and I thought it was very thin and lightweight and airy and I > > >couldn't get into it. And my question is if "Jet" is similar to that > > >album, or if she made any significant leaps forward that might redeem > > >her for me or not... > > > > Well, I have to state that I *love* _O Seasons O Castles_. I think it's > > utterly brilliant. That said, I *love* _Jet_ too, but for different > > reasons. I don't think it's as mindblowing as her debut, but I find it an > > easier listen, so I end up putting it on more often. > > > > The opening track, "The Battle Of The Trees" is one of the strongest > > openers of any disc in my collection. The crescendo is very moving. "One > > Hell Of A Life", the "single" really doesn't do much for me, but the rest > > of the album is just great. I agree that "Mother's Map" is worth the price > > in admission of itself as well. > > I certainly wouldn't describe _Ô seasons Ô castles_ as "thin, lightweight, > airy" as John does. Perhaps I'd say "raw, sparse, unpolished, heartfelt". > I am one of the people who prefers OSOC to Jet, and the past ecto posts > have been almost unanimous in preferring Jet, if they like either. For > me, Jet has some really great moments, but lacks the intensity and presence > I feel in OSOC. Definitely Jet is more accessible and poppy. I'm piping > in only because I'm surprised to find someone who prefers OSOC speaking > up! > > As for John's reluctance, they really are so different that you can't > really judge one by the other. If you were annoyed by katell's voice > and delivery on OSOC (and I know of people who, gasp, were ;-), then > you may be surprised pleasantly by Jet. > > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Valerie Kraemer writes: > > > In fact, it (OS, OC) is probably one of my top five > > favorite CDs of the last few years. I first heard "Partisan" as a single > > from that CD, and I expected it to become a hugely successful pop song. > > I guess Katell Keineg is an acquired taste. I've encouraged a number of > > my friends to listen to her music, and I've found no one as enthusiastic > > about her as I am. > > I immediately latched on to OSOC, and played it several times a week for > a few months, and regularly for a couple of years. I still play it and > rate it as one of my faves, but lately more new purchases are slipping in > and it is hard to get to *all* the old favorites. Definitely one of my top > 10 in the last few years. I will admit that OSOC is an acquired taste, > but Jet I don't see any real barriers to people accepting. > > Cyoakha speaks up: > > hey John, I can highly recommend Jet, Katell seemed to have matured as a > > song writer and a singer, on this one. I loved O Castles, and some stuff I > > didn't care for but all are winners on her second. Much more accessable, a > > little poppier, some killer stuff, no poems. tee hee I am bad, and yet I do > > spoken word sometimes too but I know the audience is probably saying "oh > > shut up Cyoakha and sing"..anyway, it is a really great album with > > wonderful intelligent themes and great hooks. cy > > You know, I love that "10 foot snail" song. And the train song (waiting > for you to smile?). Gotta find OSOC... ah - there it is! > > -Richard. > > np: Emily's Sassy Lime: _Desparate, Scared, but Social_ > nr: Robin McKinley: _Rose Daughter_ (thanks Neile!) > > @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@ccrma.stanford.edu) > @ | > @ \|/ "If you could fill a veil with shells from Killarney's shore, > @ | And sweet talk in a tongue that is no more, > @ , , | , , If wishful thoughts could bridge / The Gulf of Araby between > @ ' ' ' ' What is, what is, what is, / And what can never be. > @ - Katell Keineg, "The Gulf of Araby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:11:59 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: a damn cool thing living in connecticut has some perks, but the best one has got to be the friday night line-up on wpkn. as usual, i flick on the radio only to hear dj kathy dimeno say, and i paraphrase, "i usually play a couple happy rhodes songs once my hsow gets going, and there may be a few later on, but i'm going to start with one right now." cue "the revelation", followed by "many nights". wheee! +w (still not caught up) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:35 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: The World is a Wonderful Place Neal Copperman wrote: >Not surprisingly, many of my favorite tracks here are by women, many who >I'm not that familiar with. I saw Christine Collister open for RT many >years ago, and wasn't all that impressed. I think I heard the >Collister-Gregson album too, and wasn't interested. But her cover of How >Will I Ever Be Simple Again shows her voice as being richer and more >moving than I remember. Anyone have any comments on her, or albums they >particularly recommend? I still don't like her solo stuff, but other people so. Sh'es got a page on the Guide. >On the male side, Plainsong, fronted by Iain Matthews, sounds great on >Galway to Graceland. I think I"ve seen that name too, but also don't know >a thing. Iain Matthew (also known as Ian Matthews) has been in the UK folk scene as long as Richard Thompson has. Plainsong has a new album out according to a message I saw today on the Sandy Denny list. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy of the message. >And one of my favorite tracks is Pharoah by the House Band, who I also >don't know anything about. Another gang of longtime U.K. folkies. >But what I really wanted to know is if anyone knows who sings the title >song? It's track 13, which is skipped on every track listing in the >package, and it sounds wonderful. It's got that rich, British folk >singing style which sounds a lot like June Tabor, who is notably >absent on this compilation. (She's on Green Linnet, sometimes, and is >always covering RT songs.) Hah ha! They gotcha! It's really Richard and Linda Thompson themselves. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:24:57 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: a damn cool thing Hi! woj reported: >living in connecticut has some perks, but the best one has got to be the >friday night line-up on wpkn. as usual, i flick on the radio only to hear >dj kathy dimeno say, and i paraphrase, "i usually play a couple happy >rhodes songs once my hsow gets going, and there may be a few later on, but >i'm going to start with one right now." cue "the revelation", followed by >"many nights". What woj forgot to mention was, what this Happy spurt followed was a trifecta of T.Rex. You just gotta love it. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +============================G=O==U=C=O=N=N=!=!=!==========================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:56:02 -0600 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Hooplessly Unfroody) Subject: Re: kristeen young in new england meredith writes: > Today a (literally) handmade postcard came in the mail from Kristeen Young. > She's playing next Wednesday, 3/31 at TT The Bear's in Cambridge, MA, and > the next night (no foolin') at The Living Room in Providence, RI. If they have half the energy they had in their show here a couple of weeks ago, very highly recommended indeed. Not their most technically brilliant effort, but what it lacked in precision it made up for in energy. Unfortunately the show was cut about half an hour short of it's scheduled ending as Jeff broke his snare drum half an hour into the set. Even so, they continued on with a selectively-altered setlist for another 20 minutes or so. And Mmch to my delight after her CD release show that featured no new material (save a cover of 1999...), she brought out a pair of new songs, both of which she got in before the drum broke. A great show in spite of some little ego-trip battle the house sound guy seemed to be having with the monitor soundman. Most odd. I'd hope she's gotten another pressing of Enemy done by now - she said she was out of them (though I suppose she may just not have wanted to lug them back here with her...) and planning on getting another batch done since label talks are progressing at their usual pace. "Donald G. Keller" writes: > Kind of like a Kristeen Young album... > > Speaking of whom, let's put it this way: if it seemed practical to go > that far out of town midweek, I'd be there. One woman, one keyboard (and > her drummer) doing her best to emulate a Kate Bush video (and I mean that > in a good--though bemused--way). And the music will grab you by the > shirtfront and shake you. Maybe she'll get down to New York again soon. Don't tell me she's be dancing with a sword to "...Hi-Tek" up there, too? 8) And as long as I'm here (having actually responded rather than tossing another letter on to the "respond to" pile which inevitably seems to grow to 25-30 messages before I finally admit to myself that I'll never get around to actually doing so...) - I found another copy of Nov. 9th's "Waiting Like Witch Doctors" (along with a mess of cheap used Sugarcubes import singles, but that's not particularly pertinent) to go along with WaterWorks eponymous effort I picked up a couple of weeks ago (when it rains, it pours...), so I once again have a pair of Krist[een|ine]'s previous groups' efforts to offer for sale or (preferably) trade. Get in touch. bob np Sandra Lockwood - Shell. Yumm. Thanks, Neile! ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #111 **************************