From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #109 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, March 25 1999 Volume 05 : Number 109 Today's Subjects: ----------------- something that's longer than it should be [John Drummond ] Re: something that's longer than it should be ["Tim Finney" ] Re: Ecto at last! [Patrick Moseley ] the great s-k debate [dmw ] Re: Monsters of Grace ["Heather Russell" ] CD websites ["Mike Mendelson" ] Latest ["Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" ] NYT:SxSW ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: NYT:SxSW [Neile Graham ] Re: CD websites [Michael Curry ] Re: CD websites [jason and jill ] Re: CD websites [Brian Bloom ] Re: Oh, and Blur, too... [Stuart Myerburg ] monsters of grace again [basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson)] Yet another Sleater-Kinney article [Michael Curry ] lilith live cds, sarah live cds, uni/poly merger [Paul Kim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Drummond Subject: something that's longer than it should be LOL... Tim, that sounds delightful, I'll go pick it up sometime this week... ...and as for Sleater-Kinney... it's just something about them... their sexual orientation isn't very interesting to me, really, but they're so passionate and energetic, that's the initial attraction... secondly, I think that somehow they're transcending whatever limitations are in the two-guitars-and-a-drummer trio... they sound so full and amazing without any bass guitar and any real overdubbing to speak of... I believe it was Spin that said they face rock'n'roll with excitement, and I'll second that notion. But something, there's just something in the interplay of the two guitars, the two lyrical lines, the two vocal lines... and the metaphor in the song "Hot Rock" [kind of the title track] just kills me, since it's pretty amazing... and they just rule way more than other pop-punk bands I've heard... Throwing Muses I really adore, *especially* early Throwing Muses before Kristin got that lil' tumor taken out, but that's when the music was about dealing with insanity in the face of a (need I even put this in quotation marks?) "sane" world... the song "Delicate Cutters" has a lot to do with that... and when Kristin just lets loose that howl that's supposed to be the walls screaming and shrieks "draw your head across the ice", I just get goosebumps... I *will* find a way to cover that song in a way that does it justice one day... but I digress... anyhow, the attraction of Sleater-Kinney I think is that all of their elements, their pop-punk myopia and their rock'n'roll fascination, it all just *works*. The elements they have just really fit together, and if you're on a certain wavelength, it just totally clicks and you start drooling all over yourself and the world stops turning until you dare yourself to turn off your stereo... it actually kind of reminds me of the Tori obsession... I know plenty of people who like Tori, but aren't willing to run down to the record store every time some obscure single comes out to snatch it up before anyone else does. It's because Tori is the perfection of a certain wavelength, and if you're on that wavelength, good LORD, does it feel good to know that somebody else is too... and for me, Tori *and* Sleater-Kinney are on wavelengths similar to mine... of course, I have probably ten or twelve (but not eleven, for some reason... odd...) same-wavelength-obsessive-about-owning-all-of-their-everything-they-put-out artists, but I think lots of us have those really... I'm pretty sure everybody on Ecto can actually tell us who those deep-connection artists are for each of them, otherwise, we wouldn't be taking the time to sift through emails about other artists we're not as fascinated by (unless Happy is one of your wavelength artists, in which case, you're mighty lucky to have found THIS list) to get one little snippet of information we might not have found anywhere else... mine are Tori Amos, PJ Harvey, Ani DiFranco, Diamanda Galás, 16 Horsepower, Fiona Apple, Veda Hille, Esther Phillips, Freakwater, Throwing Muses, Lil' Kim (stop laughing, all of you! I'll talk to y'all about Kim later!), Portishead, Sarah Slean, and Sleater-Kinney... and yes, that is able to be construed as a favorites-list, and it pretty much is, though there are other artists whom I would consider favorites whose work doesn't cave in my head and make me want to stop being alive for fear of being unable to create works as powerful as theirs... the point is that those specific artists connect with one of my own personal demons or neuroses or passions and just entice them and work them and exorcise them, so that by the time I get finished listening to their CDs, I'm transformed in some way... most artists can't transform anybody, but I think these people can for me, and Happy obviously has for many many many of y'all (I'm still working on appreciating her, give me some time), and Tori and Veda and Sarah McLachlan and Jane Siberry and plenty of other artists have for y'all... this is transformative music we're talking about on here, this is the music that makes us different and hopefully better people, and that is I think the point of Ecto overall, at least in my mind: to talk about our own personal salvations. Wow, I'm bringing in way too many topics here... feel free to find one sentence and start month-long threads from it, all of y'all! ;D I guess I'll get back to the point: Sleater-Kinney just rock, yo. Talking about the music for once, John (feeling less giggly, more tired, and a fuck of a lot more verbal) == lyrics flow like spirits from the waters Moses parted _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:52:34 -0500 From: "Anna Elaine Pryde" Subject: Ecto at last! Dear, dear everyone, Just a few minutes ago, I unwrapped the cellophane from my new copy of Ecto (just arrived - 9 days never felt so long...so much for Priority mail) and am sending it through its maiden voyage. I just had to share it with all you Ectophiles. And, I'm ecstatic to say, I couldn't disagree with you more, Patrick. Even though I'm only on I Won't Break Down, I'm already in love with this CD. So far my favorite is Project 499. I just love the Simon&Garfunkel fingerpicking. It reminds me a lot so far of my favorites - Rhodes I and II and Rearmament. I really do think it's amazing that Patrick and I, for example, can have almost opposite (if that's possible) tastes in music, but still both be such enormous fans of Happy. Of course, Patrick, you're an MWABT kinda guy, whereas I'm not (electronic music makes me uneasy; it reminds me of zombies for some reason); but it just reminds me of Happy's incredible spectrum of excellence. Just wanted to share. Oh, and whoever said that about "too much chocolate," bite your tongue! That's just about as possible for me as too much Happy. One more thing: an open question. If a hypothetical ectophile had a real skimpy collection of cds and was interested in branching out into other ecto artists besides HR to plump her collection; and her favorite HR's are Rhodes I and II and Rearmament and BTC, what direction do y'all think she should go first (hypothetically speaking)? Enough! Anna np: if you need to ask, you didn't read closely enough! - ---------- > From: Mickey Ferguson > To: wpm@value.net > Cc: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: How do you get Happy in Canada? > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:36 AM > > Thanks for the phone number, Bill! I've been shuffling files and scouring > the hard drive for the post, and was just about to tear through DejaNews! > You can be certain that I shall be calling Pennsylvania tomorrow to check. > :-) > > I want to find Rhodes I and Warpaint, as soon as I can, so I can play them > repeatedly like I am Rhodes II at the moment. My first time through the CD > was an epiphany. My SO was out of town, and I had the amplifier as loud as > is possible with my pathetic speakers. About midway through "Where Do I > Go"... "...I want to live//Not ready to die..." the most amazingly vivid > lightning displayed the dark room in strobe light. The end of the song was > almost drowned by the thunder. I must admit, I moved to the stereo and > considered unplugging it at that moment, but I couldn't bring myself to stop > the music. Instead, I turned it up *louder*. I had to, to hear "Not For Me" > over the claps of thunder. As that song faded into "One Alien", the sky > opened up with sheets of rain, the wind blew branches out of trees, and hail > the size of golfballs peppered the ground outside. It was quite the > production. We (the cats & I) were very freaked out, but Happy just kept on > singing ... I was drawn closer to the speakers by the guitar at the > beginning of "Noone Here" and was pleased when the storm weakened to just > rain. The first chorus of that song literally floored me. I can only > remember that ever happening once before, when I heard KaTe's "Man With the > Child in His Eyes". I would say my 'Happy' epiphany on last Friday evening > topped even *that* (sorry Kate). ;-) I hope you all can get at least a vague > picture of me on the carpet with my two very large *cats*, listening to that > repeated line, "...and I'm without a body to keep me warm//and not even a > kitty to share my storm ..." and listening to the now-distant thunder > rumbling. It was *too* perfect. > > So, given my love for Rhodes II, wouldn't you say that Rhodes I would be the > next logical step for my experience? (well, maybe not logical in the earthly > sense of the word ...) ;-) > > I haven't obsessed like this over music in quite some time. It's rather fun, > but it's going to be hard on the pocketbook next month, I'm afraid! > > Best regards, > ---Mickey > > n.p. - Loreena McKennitt "Elemental" > > (hey, how is that new Duncan Sheik .. similar to his first?) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Mazur > To: Mickey Ferguson > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: How do you get Happy in Canada? > > > > The phone number for Chester County Books & Music is 610-696-4090. The > > contact that I dealt with there is Jason. He's a nice and helpful gent.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:35:22 +1100 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Re: something that's longer than it should be - ---------- >From: John Drummond >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: something that's longer than it should be >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 7:03 PM > >LOL... Tim, that sounds delightful, I'll go pick it up sometime this >week... Bear in mind that it was merely a theoretical description based on a number of reviews I've read. I mean to pick 13 up out of curiosity, although I have mixed feelings about Blur - I love the 60's/synth/caberet Kinks *music* of the Parklife era but hate Damon's vocals. Then the last album got rid of most of the crap vocals, added an interesting beefy guitar element to the whole thing and was overall a better listen, but at times sounded really lazy. So who knows? I've heard about half of Tender once and thought it had to be one of the most boring songs I'd ever heard - like Primal Scream with all the interesting things taken out, leaving the derivativeness and the gospel choir. On the other hand, every review of the song has made it sound so good (in description, not superlatives), that I'm assuming that I was delerious and the volume was too low. Anyway, have fun y'all (argh! it's contagious y'all!) Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Sleater-Kinney I've run into the opinion before, that Sleater-Kinney is just another punk band and why do they get so much hype? and as usual I just don't get it. From the =very first= song on their debut (eponymous) EP, what gets me about their music is the guitar quasi-counterpoint, the way the two guitar parts are playing two different riffs to the same rhythm, or maybe two different parts of the same riff. No, it doesn't happen on every single song ("Joey Ramone" is more straightforwardly punky), but when I hear what the guitars do in songs like "I'm Not Waiting" and "Call the Doctor" I just about lose it. Not to mention the two very different voices and the way =they= work together and play off one another. Not to mention that Corin Tucker all by herself has one of the most riveting voices in the history of rock'n'roll. I tend to think of Sleater-Kinney as not so much punk as post-punk, owing as much to bands like the Au Pairs and the Raincoats as they do to the riot-grrl movement they grew out of. And while it didn't make the difference to me (I was completely knocked out by the CDs), it might make the difference to see them live: they are one of the three or four greatest live bands I've ever seen. Overwhelming intensity. I greatly revere Kristin Hersh, think she's a genius and one of the most important figures in recent rock'n'roll; but Sleater-Kinney is every bit the equal of Throwing Muses in my book. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:55 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Ecto at last! Anna said: >And, I'm ecstatic to say, I couldn't disagree with you >more, Patrick. Even though I'm only on I Won't Break Down, I'm already in >love with this CD. So far my favorite is Project 499. I just love the >Simon&Garfunkel fingerpicking. It reminds me a lot so far of my favorites - >Rhodes I and II and Rearmament. I'm very happy for you, Anna (no pun intended). It may not speak to me like it obviously speaks to others, but I'll never begrudge anyone Happy euphoria, no matter which album is the cause. ;-) And "Project 499" *is* a great song. > One more thing: an open question. If a hypothetical ectophile had >a real >skimpy collection of cds and was interested in branching out into other >ecto artists besides HR to plump her collection; and her favorite HR's are >Rhodes I and II and Rearmament and BTC, what direction do y'all think she >should go first (hypothetically speaking)? Perhaps I'm not the one to answer this question since you noted our opposite tastes in music, but I'll give it a shot nonetheless. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a Happy Rhodes fan who didn't also thoroughly enjoy Kate Bush's "The Dreaming" and "Hounds of Love." But I'd go a little further and say that, since you really enjoy Happy's acoustic side, you might want to check out Kate Bush's earlier, piano-based work as well, particularly "The Kick Inside." And just speaking personally, other Ecto-ish albums I love are: Tori Amos: "Little Earthquakes" Milla: "The Divine Comedy" Sarah McLachlan: "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy" October Project: self-titled Sam Phillips: "Cruel Inventions" Loreena McKennitt: "the book of secrets" (a bit of a stretch, but...) And you'll be happy to know that none of the above could even remotely be described as "electronic"... Happy listening, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:51:52 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: the great s-k debate a not so humble opinion: i think whether you think sleater-kinney deserves the hype may depend on yr personal lyrics vs. music balance. i love s-k, don't get me wrong -- hey, i'm the guy who was the big excuse 17 fan (lukewarm on heavens to betsy) in those few months when s-k was being bandied about as an all-star riot grrl side project -- but consistently great lyricists, they're not. hersh, on the other hand, while maybe not consistently great, either -- those are a tough five letters to live up to -- is hardly ever less than interesting, and sometimes brilliant. incidentally: if you think of sleater-kinney as having one "guitar" player, and having one "bass" player who happens to be playing an octave higher than normal, does that change things? on "tapping" for example, the two parts seem quite distinct. - -- d. n.p. that "get up" single "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:30:03 -0500 From: "Heather Russell" Subject: Re: Monsters of Grace >>brad wrote:Wow--I'd love to see that again! I got to >>see it in Chapel Hill and >>found it wonderful! >Well Brad, I guess it's pretty safe to say that we >have different >tastes. I have one word about "Monsters of Grace": >Y A W N . . . . . . Hmmm maybe it was the Chapel Hill performance, but I also enjoyed Monsters of Grace. I posted a short review of the concert that weekend. I think that the publicity for "worlds first 3D opera" created an anticipation for a different kind of event. Something more splashy and effects laden perhaps. But Glass is a minimalist and Rumi is a mystic. I thought the music and the images perfectly matched the words - it was a slower, more contemplative, meditative type thing. But then I'm a huge fan of Glass, minimalism and mystics, so there you go. ;-) - - heather ************************************************** * Heather Russell * My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather * Indiegrrl: http://www.indiegrrl.com * Email: hrussellatbellsouthdotnet - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:57:03 -0600 From: "Mike Mendelson" Subject: CD websites I'm trying to figure out what the major CD-selling websites are for distribution of my CD. The ones I know about offhand are Amazon, CDnow, Music Boulevard. What are some of the other ones? Thanks. Please Cc: a copy of your response to me at mjmjm@usa.net. - -mjm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:32:37 -0600 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: Latest Picked up The Chieftains latest, which - unfortunately - I forgot the title of. The new one with all the women guests on. :-) Great stuff! However, my favorite is the song with the four women fiddlers on it. That is just great to hear everybody blending in, then going off on their extremely different and unique solos. Super. I really *really* like Lisa Cerbone's _Mercy_. I'm currently listening to it now, on its second iteration. Quite wonderful! I finally fixed my soundcard, and am enjoying surfing to artists sites listening to their samples. I really dug Julia Darling, and may have to buy the disc when it comes out. Plus I still have to purchase _Unknown_ from Joy Eden Harrison - even though I have an advance cassette. Anybody know what happend to the two front women to Mary's Danish? At one point one of them was to be in a band called Battery Acid, but I haven't heard anything about them. Plus the other - Julie, I think - wrote the theme to a Fox show, but I haven't heard anything after that, as well. Too bad they don't reunite. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:12:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: NYT:SxSW There's a mostly-gloomy article on this year's South by SoutWest conference in today's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/pop-music-conference.html One band description seemed interesting: "Bellatrix, a mostly female quintet from Iceland, packed Bob Popular one night, mixing violin, drum loops, and wailing, biting avant-rock vocals. " - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:23:10 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: NYT:SxSW At 12:12 PM -0600 3/24/99, Joseph S. Zitt wrote: >There's a mostly-gloomy article on this year's South by SoutWest >conference in today's New York Times: >http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/pop-music-conference.html > >One band description seemed interesting: "Bellatrix, a mostly female >quintet from Iceland, packed Bob Popular one night, mixing violin, drum >loops, and wailing, biting avant-rock vocals. " - Hey, I've talked about them several times! Really noisy and weird and fun. I have two versions of one of their albums--one in Icelandic and the other in English--I enjoy listening to them both. I also have a couple of other discs in theirs that I haven't listened to nearly enough. Like Bjork at her wild rocky weirdest. Not dancey at all--amazing vocal stuff. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:24:58 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: CD websites At 09:57 AM 3/24/99 -0600, Mike Mendelson wrote: >I'm trying to figure out what the major CD-selling websites are for >distribution of my CD. The ones I know about offhand are Amazon, CDnow, >Music Boulevard. What are some of the other ones? >Thanks. >Please Cc: a copy of your response to me at mjmjm@usa.net. Off the top of my head, I'd put www.cduniverse.com in the "major" category, along with some of those sites associated with retails chains, like www.towerrecords.com Mike np: Beth Orton -- Central Reservation nr: Prince of Dogs by Kate Elliot (though I'm actually considering bailing out on it at this point) | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | "Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter?" -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: CD websites On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Michael Curry wrote: > Off the top of my head, I'd put www.cduniverse.com in the "major" > category, along with some of those sites associated with retails chains, > like www.towerrecords.com One site I've never seen mentioned here--I may just have missed it--is one that isn't too useful for the average CD buyer but is quite a good site for CD buying nuts such as ecto folk. www.everycd.com offers cds at just-above wholesale prices, promises that it can get you any cd on earth, and has probably the best prices on the net. Also, for those of us in the Philly area, something to think about is that unlike cdnow and musicblvd, everycd has no connection to CA, PA and NJ, so doesn't charge sales taxes to PA, NJ and CA residents. The one clinker in the deal is that everycd charges a $40 yearly membership fee. That's why it isn't a good site for the casual CD buyer. H/e, if you buy a good volume of CDs a month, your first month's savings pay the membership fee. (And they offer a 30-day free trial period, so there you go...) For example, CDnow has Many Worlds, priced at $13.49. Cdnow has it at $11.59. Hot Rock is priced at $7.85(!), etc. Of course, I'm not smart enough to pay the $40 up front, so I've never joined. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:58:52 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: CD websites > Off the top of my head, I'd put www.cduniverse.com in the "major" >category, along with some of those sites associated with retails chains, >like www.towerrecords.com Plus biggies like borders.com, barnesandnoble.com, spree.com, and don't forget the internet Underground Music Archive (www.iuma.com). You might also look into Mp3's marketing model at www.mp3.com/dam hope this helps... brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:06:00 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Oh, and Blur, too... John Drummond wrote: > I've been reading that the new Blur album that came out today is > supposed to be in a rather Radiohead vein... is that the case? If so, > whoa... because I love me some Radiohead, and I'd like to hear Damon > Albarn attempting the same kind of power-shriek of Thom Yorke over > razor guitars... anybody? Anbody? Well, I love both Radiohead and Blur, but Blur have not quite approached the brilliance of Radiohead yet (although they may have come close on _Parklife_). I just got _13_, the new Blur CD, yesterday, so I haven't had time to really digest it yet. Their last album took a long while to really grow on me, and I think this one will be the same. But I can say it's very eclectic and experimental. It seems like they've taken the weirdest elements of their last album (like "Theme from Retro" and "Essex Dogs") and really run with them. There are still some traditional-sounding songs on _13_, but the bulk of the CD is filled with very loose arrangements. Stuart np: 13 - Blur nr: The Stranger - Albert Camus - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:32:26 -0500 From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Subject: monsters of grace again Hmmm--I really can't recall anything boring about _Monsters of Grace_ though I've been known to listen to the same cd many days in a row, and to have used _Einstein on the Beach_ as car music (only when alone--my wife can't stand Glass). Then again the folks I went to see _)Monsters of Grace_ with loved it too. I thought the slowness of the video was on purpose. The gradual changes and subject matter facinated me. (Though I thought the one of the sea serpent and the family on the house was pretty cliche and annoying.) The music was pretty standard Glass but followed the poetry and images perfectly. And the poetry was Rumi--not badly translated IMHO. I like Rumi and thought the choices were good ones. As for Mr. Zitt's bit about Glass being in a slump--I almost agree. _Heros_ wasn't all that interesting; I haven't listened to it much. But some of his other recent pieces have hooked me. I liked _Solo Piano_ and the first Bowie revisioning were really great IMHO again. I really disliked _Hydrogen Jukebox_ too though I really wanted to like it! Anyway, I was mesmerized by _Monsters of Grace_. So much so, that I only taped the first half because I forgot to filp over the tape in my recording walkman. Someday I may become competent with this taping stuff! That's enough on Glass. Back to your regularly schedualed ectofare. Hope you all are well and happy. brad nr _Geographies of Home_ Loida Maritza Perez (is there any way to do an accent mark in email? np Kronos Quartet's version of Glass' _Company_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:47:01 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Yet another Sleater-Kinney article If you read the article/interview on Addicted To Noise, or you're a long time fan of S-K, then you'll learn nothing new from this one. http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9903/23/sleater-kinney/ Mike np: Kittywinder -- Scream of the Weak nr: Prince of Dogs by Kate Elliot | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | "Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter?" -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:37:42 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: lilith live cds, sarah live cds, uni/poly merger A couple quick notes. While checking out the Lilith fair webpage, i stumbled upon this interesting tidbit that talked about the upcoming releases of new live compilations from lilith last year. Apparently, Nettwerk and Arista will be releasing three Lilith Live albums this time around. The first two will have live contributions from various artists much like the double disc from last year (gee, i wonder what the rationale was behind making it into two separate releases rather than one double disc this year...hmmm). These two will be released around May when tickets go on sale for this year's lilith (which will go back to the shorter schedule of 1997 when it was 30-40 dates over 9 weeks). The third album will consist of various jams that the artists did while on tour and will be released in July. This bit was linked to an article at SonicNet music news that talked about these releases as well as sarah's impending live albums. SonicNet makes a couple mistakes (I Will Remember You has been released many times here in the US on tons of singles and several soundtracks), but i was interested to note that a) the seemingly ubiquitous Tom Lord-Alge (is he the brother of Chris Lord-Alge?) is mixing the album and b) along with the live cd, Arista will be releasing a DVD on April 27th of a Portland, OR concert from the 1998 Surfacing Tour that will feature 20 tracks. While I'd much rather see a DVD of a full concert of either form of the FTE tour (the darn video cuts out too many special moments), I'd be fairly happy to see this...let's hope that they include Vox on there. SonicNet says that the live cd will be Sarah's first full-length live album...does the Solace Live album count as only an EP then? Oh, and finally, just a little clarification on the Universal/Polygram thingy...Seagram's, which owns Polygram, bought Universal...I don't know if this allays any fears about the various Polygram sublabels since the wanker who took over as head of the new record company sacked people and divisions left-and-right. blech. i feel so dirty. all this major label shilling on my part. i'm gonna go wash myself now. :) hey kids, to make up for it, i'll invite you smiley faces to berklee two fridays from now (the 9th of April) at 1 pm during the day when i'm sure NONE of you have anything else to do so that you can attend a workshop given by Susan Werner on songwriting and performing and other things. It should be fun and informative and i hope to hell not sparsely attended...for more info, please contact your customer supervisor representative flunky. ie. me. Paul "here, there, and everywhere" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:03:31 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: lilith live cds, sarah live cds, uni/poly merger Paul sez: > This bit was linked to an article at SonicNet music news that talked about > these releases as well as sarah's impending live albums. SonicNet makes a > couple mistakes (I Will Remember You has been released many times here in > the US on tons of singles and several soundtracks) Funny you should mention that. T'other day, I noticed a copy of the...er... "Angel," I think, single in Olsson's. It claims "two unreleased B-Sides." Of course, one of those is "Ice Cream" (er...FTE, Freedom Sessions, AND the "I Will Not Forget You" single), and the other is IWNFY, which had its own single and appeared on a soundtrack. So has Sarah completely quit with the totally cool remixes and the live stuff like "Gloomy Sunday"? And now she has to resort to claiming that live versions of songs that have been released countless times count as unreleased material? Whoopteedoo. Color me disgusted. Of course, probably not as disgusted as I was yesterday listening to the "Hey Jupiter" single (had to pick it up after someone here mentioned the Dakota mix of the title song). Great material. Utterly ruined by FREAKS scream "MYRA ELLEN" at the top of their lungs while she's trying to perform. I haven't seen Tori since her second blow through town on the UtP tour. If things are really that bad, it's just as well...I've heard all the "WE LOVE YOU TORI!" stories, but I guess I never really believed it. > SonicNet says that the live cd will be Sarah's first full-length live > album...does the Solace Live album count as only an EP then? Despite the fact that it's longer than some albums I own (eg Suzanne Vega's eponymous album), _Live_ was indeed marketed from day one as an EP. I have no idea why. Come to think, it was actually marketed as a Limited Edition EP. For years I thought that was a joke -- despite the gorgeous packaging, it was available everywhere you turned for *years*. Maybe they just knew that somehow, some day, Sarah would be a huge star, and that when it finally happened, that seemingly unlimited edition would suddenly be hard to find. Which I guess it now is. jeff npimh: "Celebrity Skin", Hole (this song is lodged in their pretty well. eep.) - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:33:15 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Ecto at last! At 10:52 PM -0500 3/23/99, Anna Elaine Pryde wrote: > One more thing: an open question. If a hypothetical ectophile had >a real >skimpy collection of cds and was interested in branching out into other >ecto artists besides HR to plump her collection; and her favorite HR's are >Rhodes I and II and Rearmament and BTC, what direction do y'all think she >should go first (hypothetically speaking)? If you haven't checked out the Ectophile's Guide yet, you should visit that and sample something from each of the goddesses.I wouldn't guarantee that you love all of them, but they are each essential listening. In fact, there's a chance some of them could really rub you the wrong way :) I'd need a bit more beyond the Happy list to get a feel for your tastes. On the Kate front, I'd suggest Never For Ever (though The Dreaming and Hounds of Love are essential listening) Veda Hille's tunes could do it for you, though her songwriting and rhythms can be elliptical enough to be off-putting to some. Same with the always genre hopping Jane Siberry. It's hard for me to imagine how anyone could not love everything from Bound By The Beauty on (except for Teenager), but I've been proven wrong on this point again and again. I think Bound is an excellent introduction, though if you've already been through the wildest Kate discs, you may as well jump right in with When I Was A Boy. neal np: Rhapsody in Pink (bootleg) - Tori Amos ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #109 **************************