From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #100 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 05 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Rufus Wainwright/Imogen Heap in Boston [Chris Snyder ] rock reviews [Jeffrey Burka ] Folk Tales website [Cat ] RE: celtic stuff on bravo [Jack Sutton ] Re: civil facists [Chris Sampson ] pay to play? (fwd) ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Cindy Lee Berryhill Showcase & LR16 Release Gigs [ABershaw@aol.com] FW: New Carrie Newcomer Album! [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: civil facists [FAMarcus@aol.com] Katell in New Haven [John Drummond ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Jessica Skolnik (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! 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Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:12:25 -0500 From: Chris Snyder Subject: Re: Rufus Wainwright/Imogen Heap in Boston kyrlidis@earthlink.net wrote > >I will second this opinion. It seems these days that you can't really >enjoy a concert anymore. In clubs you have to deal with the talkers who >apparently enjoy having their discussions while an artist is serenading >them live, and in large venues you get the massive roar of the crowd >which >gets drowned by the LOUD music. I bought the Imogen Heap CD a few days >before the concert and was caught off guard by her powerful vocals. I would definitely agree with this and it has kept me from seeing some shows knowing that I wouldn't really enjoy them. Luckily in the Boston area there are a few places you are garunteed a respective attentive audience. One place is Club Passim in Harvard Sq. They have hosted the best in the folk world, and are now a place to see great developing artists and some big names making a special stop in an intimate venue. The club only seats 120 and the place is liquor, and smoke-free. Plus you can have dinner, and sit for the show. The entire place is seated. In the next couple weeks there are shows with Susan Werner, Melissa Ferrick, Jennifer Kimball, Eddie From Ohio, and Tom Paxton. If you're in the Boston area or even just passing through check it out. Their website is http://www.clubpassim.com Another great place to see a show is just about any coffeehouse, and especially those in churches or church basements. 99% of the time Just keep searching. As long as you like acts that haven't been engulfed in the mainstream you can see, and HEAR a great show. Anyone from another part of the country have a favorite place to go where people actually listen to the music. Chris Snyder NP Trina Hamlin Alone NP2 Eddie From Ohio Portable EFO Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:10:41 -0800 From: lanblind@teleport.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #98 hey John, I can highly recommend Jet, Katell seemed to have matured as a song writer and a singer, on this one. I loved O Castles, and some stuff I didn't care for but all are winners on her second. Much more accessable, a little poppier, some killer stuff, no poems. tee hee I am bad, and yet I do spoken word sometimes too but I know the audience is probably saying "oh shut up Cyoakha and sing"..anyway, it is a really great album with wonderful intelligent themes and great hooks. cy > > Land of the Blind 3439 NE Sandy Blvd., Suite 266 Portland, Oregon USA (503) 321-5093 email lanblind@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~lanblind/ Distributed through: "Out of Chaos"-- Burnside Distribution "One Eye"-- Rainforest Records ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:09:57 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Throwing Muses reunion? Hi, >From the Music Blvd news service: Reclusive Throwing Muses founder Kristin Hersh looks to be mounting a reunion of sorts for her spring solo shows. According to the Throwing Muses Web site www.throwingmusic.com, the band she has assembled includes former Muses David Narcizo on drums and Robert Rust on keyboards. Also joining Hersh will be former Belly guitarist Tom Gorman, switching gears to play bass for the dates, which right now include a live rehearsal at AS220's Fool's Ball in Providence, R.I. on April 9. Later, Mark n.p. Sinead _Gospel Oak_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:08:51 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: rock reviews after the brief discussion about reviews of concerts, I was amused to see on washingtonpost.com that the Rufus show review showed up this morning (2nd day after), and the reviewer managed to discuss the full set list in a fairly glowing review (he didn't seem to like the band too much, but preferred the Rufus and Rufus-and-bass moments more). Strangely, despite discussing Rufus's vaguely fashionable ensemb' and his self-assuredness on stage, the reviewer chose to describe, in his mention of the new songs, the one about California, rather than the one about the boys in Greece or the one which is in effect an ode to feminism... Well, maybe not so strange. Just because it was nice to go to a performance in ostensibly straight-space (it wasn't, particularly, on Sunday night) where the performer was so ridiculously out doesn't mean that the real world wants to pay attention to it. Oh, and the reviewer didn't even mention Imogene. Fool. jeff np: the radio - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Cat Subject: Folk Tales website Just wanted to give y'all a quick note 'bout the Folk Tales website ( http://www.kinrowan.com ) which I run. 4444,0000,0000We focus on books, music, and other good things of a folk nature. Our focus is primarily folk music (from Celtic trad such as Alasdair Fraser to more folk rockier groups like Moving Hearts and Taxi Chain), fiction of a related nature such as the wonderful novels of Charles de Lint, and non-fiction books (mostly folklore and music related) related to these subjects as our readers are interested in all of these subjects. Of course, we will cover other subjects: concert reviews, upcoming major festivals, author profiles, even in depth profiles of performers will grace our website. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jack Sutton Subject: RE: celtic stuff on bravo There is a nice segment on Mary Lamond also, it certainly sparked my interest. Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music www.hrmusic.com On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > 8:00 pm and 11:00 pm Eastern. I get Bravo, I'll try to tape it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of meredith > Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 9:15 PM > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: celtic stuff on bravo > > Hi! > > RockOnTV actually supplied me with something useful! Now if I only had > Bravo on my cable system ... sigh. > > This will be happening this Thursday, 3/18. Not sure of the time. > > >BRV) Bravo Arena: Celtic Tides > > > >a one hour musical odyssey exploring the force and phenomenon of > >Celtic music's renaissance in the early 1990s. Hosted by The Rankin > >Sisters and includes performances by The Chieftains, Loreena > >McKennitt, Clannad, Altan, Mary Black, Dougie MacLean and Capercaillie > > Enjoy! > > +==========================================================================+ > | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | > | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | > +==========================================================================+ > | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | > | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | > | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | > +==========================================================================+ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:54:32 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: civil facists Oy vey! I'll try to play this one down the middle... I identify (sorta) with John Drummond: I'm frequently explaining myself (not for having inadvertently offended anyone, but because (and I've discussed this with the few other people I know who suffer the same fate) I usually try to be very precise (wether or not I succeed...). I understand being misunderstood, though I think John probably more frequently answers for having... overstated himself. And, while I was a little annoyed with the exuberance and negativity of "the shot heard 'round the list", anybody who keeps these posts will plainly see that I did not attack him personally... Worst I did was suggest decaf (and, what with the proliferation of Starbuck's et al., the problem may, very well, be caffeine... though I was only barely serious). Friends, Romans, Countrymen... I come not to bury John, but to support him (a little bit, anyway). I disagree with Neil's(?!) command to John to unsub from the list. [But, I also disagree with the *application* of the metathematic discourse on the usage of "merely"... I was sincerely *merely* offering an observation, (that the list might not need a token asshole)... And I don't think John was doing more than merely-ing (though, I'm not sure)... at least, not from HIS perspective... It may, alas, be his demeanor (John? Is it?). IF John finds a low percentage of posts to be to his liking... THEN... he MIGHT consider unsubbing... Though, this is a personal decision and won't be made at my urging... Shame on you, Neil... I skim EcTo... The music posts are generally outside what I perceive as my realm, these days (though, occasionally, I find something, here or there)... The CD storage problem is of a very pressing need to me, but that's not what's REALLY important, here, is it? Like Suzanne, I've stayed partly out of the civility... Not some sort of Stepford-Wife kinda Pleasantville ideal, mind you... but respectful (and, gasp, even occasionally, sarcastic or pointed) debate and discourse. The sheer variety of topics-that-aren't-off-topic is great, too. I've been on one other list (to which, I think, I'm still subscribed, but they don't have flamewars on Passion, either). I hear tell, and I read usenet a while back (so I know), that on most other lists, the SNR is worse, and the casual animosity and intolerance are unbearable... I believe these stories and still maintain that Ecto IS warm, blue, and fuzzy... and, though I've thought of packing it in, here, I probably won't... not for some time, anyway. I skim EcTo and I delete a LOT of the posts... I don't expect that anyone is offended (though woj yelled at me a couple years back, but who'd a known that his 'name' was... Sister Ernestine).. I also don't expect the list to be custom-fit, tailor-made to suit me... As for being a 'parent'... I pose, here, an earnest question: Having read John's post and having a perfectly valid opinion that it was unnecessarily LOUD, (I've a great sense of humor, BTW, but I missed the tongu-in-cheek quality of the post... sorry, John)... What was I beholden to do in way of response, or was I just to 'ignore' it? I don't think it's being paternalistic or anything to tell somebody sitting behind me in the theater to stop talking so I can hear the movie (I do think the 'boombox on 11' reference is a bit strong, though). I also don't think it's somehow inappropriate to let somebody know, plainly, simply, polite(ish)ly that what they're doing is a bit much... Merely stating my opinion, take it or leave it, or defend it or explain it, whatever. We all have delete keys and can't expect EcTo to be all things to all people. Many (of us) just lurk and interject when it seems appropriate. I don't know that we had the makings of an actual flamewar until Neil hammered John... I'm still counting on one hand the number of times *I* have been involved in minor squabbles (are ya out there, Redguitargirl?)... I don't recall out and out flamewars (I'm staying out of the fred vs Vickie thing)... but maybe I've unwittingly deleted them... How unfortunate?! I've missed the chance to get in on some juicy arguments which, but for MY compulsion to get involved would've concerned me not at all. Latuh fuh youse, Chris "Mr. Verbosity" Sampson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:01:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: pay to play? (fwd) Not sure I've seen this here yet: it's a protest against venues such as Arlene Grocery that according to the message don't pay their musicians... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Brecht Forum 122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor New York, NY 10010 (212) 242-4201 www.brechtforum.org For immediate release Contact: Liz Mestres 212-242-4201 Barbara Burch 718-398-2810 THE NOISE ACTION COALITION CO-SPONSORS PANEL DISCUSSION ON ECONOMIC JUSTICE FOR MUSICIANS AS PART OF NEUES KABARETT AT THE BRECHT FORUM The Brecht Forum and the Noise Action Coalition will sponsor a panel entitled "Pay to Play?" examining the issue of fair pay for musicians, featuring Stanley Aronowitz, Marc Ribot, Lianne Smith, Greg Tate and others. The event is Saturday, March 27th at 6 p.m. at 122 West 27th Street, 10th Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in Manhattan. Admission is $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. For information call 212.242.4201. The Noise Action Coalition (NAC), an organizing project by and for musicians working the network of clubs and indie labels centered around downtown New York City, is made up of Jazz, New Music, "Knitting Factory scene" and Indie Rock musicians. The NAC has protested the No-Pay policy at Arlene Grocery and other No-Pay clubs. The NAC has also conducted informational picketing of the CMJ Music Fest over the festival's non-payment of musicians. Last year, the NAC won the first collectively bargained agreement at a major U.S. Jazz festival, the Knitting Factory/Texaco (now Bell Atlantic) New York Jazz Festival, doubling minimum rates of pay for participating musicians. Behind these actions was the belief by NAC supporters that when money is made, musicians should be paid. And behind that belief is an assumption that musicians can and should organize collectively to win better conditions. The panel will explore whether these beliefs and assumptions are valid and/or realistic. Topics will include: whether musicians have a moral or legal right to collectively bargain; whether unions are possible or desirable in a downtown music scene dominated by freelancers; and if the bureaucratic structure and rules normally associated with unions can co-exist with the creative flexibility and spontaneity of this scene? The panel will discuss how the NAC's organizing does or does not fit in with the Musicians' Union, and how the NAC relates to other "nontraditional" organizing efforts among part-time, freelance and "intellectual" labor now underway. The Brecht Forum is an educational and cultural organization for people who are working for fundamental social change. Neues Kabarett, a regular avant- garde music series, is one of several ongoing cultural events organized by the Brecht Forum, including: monthly visual art exhibits, The Gashouse (a monthly music and poetry night), film and video series, focus groups for artists, and performances ranging from dance to experimental theater. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:26:58 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Cindy Lee Berryhill Showcase & LR16 Release Gigs Hi all, Some particularly interesting Cindy Lee Berryhill gigs are coming up at Twiggs (on the corner of Park & Madison) in San Diego. The first is a showcase gig for Warner Brothers next Wednesday, March 24th at 8:00PM. Many friends & interesting characters will be in attendance. Your support would surely be appreciated & you won't be disappointed because it's a rare Garage Orchestra gig and will also feature a set of the work CLB has been doing with the Troy Sisters. It'll be a rare opportunity to listen to CLB live & hear all her incredible arrangements full blown! We're already recording this , but you are also welcome to record both audio & video as long as CLB gets copies. Twiggs is a very intimate coffeeshop/performance space type atmosphere & this will be a great gig! Then the following Wednesday, March 31st, CLB will return to Twiggs for a duet gig with the extraordinary cellist Renata Bratt to celebrate the release of their new CD "Living Room 16". This will also be a night to remember & again, recording is welcome. The other gig I'm currently aware of is in Los Angeles on Monday April 3rd at The Moondog Cafe. I highly encourage people in San Diego & LA to check out these gigs. For information & ordering CLB's "LR16" CD directly (signed & numbered limited edition ) go to: http://www.twomp.com/livingroom16/ All the best, Alan NR: Nick Drake Biography NP: Future Folklore Volume 3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:42:44 +1100 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: FW: New Carrie Newcomer Album! Hi all, I got this through the Indigo Girls mailing list - haven't heard anything about it anywhere else... - -sherlyn === >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:15:39 PST >From: Shelley Miller >Subject: NIGC-New Carrie Newcomer Album! > >I know at least a few of you are Carrie fans, so I thought I'd pass this >along. Carrie Newcomer's new live album, "Bare To The Bone" is now >available through Rounder Records (1-800-ROUNDER)...it is a "limited >edition" and will only be sold through mail order and at her shows...ALL >PROCEEDS FROM THE INITIAL PRESSING WILL GO TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD!!! For >more info, check out the Carrie Newcomer website >(www.carrienewcomer.com). > >pEACE, >sHELLEY >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:26:23 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: civil facists In a message dated 3/16/99 2:56:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris@neuron.uchc.edu writes: << And, while I was a little annoyed with the exuberance and negativity of "the shot heard 'round the list", anybody who keeps these posts will plainly see that I did not attack him personally... Worst I did was suggest decaf (and, what with the proliferation of Starbuck's et al., the problem may, very well, be caffeine... though I was only barely serious). >> your response was clearly not the problem for me. i can't speak for john but i actually i got a kick out of the decaf reference. i obviously can't speak for anyone else on this list but i also found this letter enjoyable.........mildly humerous, with a hint of tolerance and fairness. hopefully the un-civil war is over and we can all be ourselves. looking for other ways to get my "pecker hard" fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Drummond Subject: Katell in New Haven Valerie, Katell lived in a house in New Haven? Did she go to Yale or something? Whoa... I love discovering that artists went to college... Mira Sorvino has a degree in Chinese Studies from *Harvard*. Wow. Stuff like that rules. John == lyrics flow like spirits from the waters Moses parted _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #100 **************************