From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #66 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 05 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Movie Awards and such [Bill Mazur ] Shoegazer music (Was: Re: IQ's Ever/Guitarists) [Bill Mazur ] Chicago: Blondie and Melissa Ferrick at Tower [Kay S Cleaves ] Male Vocalist Recommendation ["Graham" ] The male vocalist thing [basil@naxs.com] Re: Movie Awards and such [Brian Bloom ] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation [Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM] re: putting music on da web/male vocalists/Susan Werner ["Joseph S. Zitt"] Keyboardists [Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation [jjhanson@att.net] Re: Male vocalists ["Bill" ] Re: Male vocalists [Neile Graham ] Re: Keyboardists [Neile Graham ] Re: Keyboardists ["Bill" ] No grammy for Tori!!! [Patrick Varker ] Re: Keyboardists [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Keyboardists ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: Keyboardists [Michael Curry ] Re: Keyboardists [Michael Curry ] keyboard players and melty male voices ["girl with the curious hair" ] Re: Keyboardists [Neile Graham ] Re: Tribe help?/ CD search engine? [Riphug@aol.com] Speaking of talented musicians... (and the Ecto CD!) [Songbird22@aol.com] Tribe: been helped thanks! [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Jingle vs Genius [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] new Suzanne Vega? [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Jingle vs Genius ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Jingle vs Genius [Chris Sampson ] Re: new Suzanne Vega? [Stuart Myerburg ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:12:11 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Movie Awards and such Xenu's Sister wrote: > > At 07:53 AM 2/22/99 -0500, Michael Colford wrote: > >Hi everyone! > > > >I know there are lots of movie fans on this list, so I just wanted > >to point those people to my Movie Awards website, The Chlotrudis > >Awards. This year marks the Fifth Annual Chlotrudis Awards, and > >if you are at all a fan of movies, especially non-Hollywood types, > >head on over to http://www.whereitis.com/home/chlotrudis. > >There you'll find the 1998 nominees, our Mission Statement, a list > >of past nominees and winners, and even an on-line ballot for you to > >register your vote! > > Hi Michael, nice site! Michael, I definitely agree with Vickie! Thanks for the wonderful site! > I haven't voted yet because I haven't yet seen all the movies. I have only seen a few of these movies also. That makes it difficult for me to vote as well. I haven't been on Ecto long enough to know if there is that much discussion of film. I have seen a few discussions so far in the last two months that I have been on the list. I, for one, would love to see reviews from Ectophile film buffs about the more interesting, less-well-known films. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to uncover these gems myself. I know that film is the passion of at least a few Ectophiles. > Drew Barrymore performance in Ever After I just love Drew Barrymore's performance in Ever After as well. Billi and I are both really fond of her as an actress and as a person. She seems very sweet and charming. > Shakespeare In Love That, along with Elizabeth are my favorite films of last year. > I love this time of year when movies are on a lot of people's minds. > How sad that Gene Siskel died, yet it's somehow strangely appropriate > that he died at this time of the year rather than in the summer or fall. > I don't mean that to be disrespectful, I wish he hadn't died at all. I'm > going to miss him. I've always liked him (even when I disagreed with > him) but he *really* won my heart when he had the balls to tout Babe II > as 1998's Best Movie. My brother was really upset about Gene Siskel's untimely passing. He grew up on Siskel and Ebert movie reviews. I didn't see Babe II, but Billi and our daughter, Daniella, really loved it. They described it pretty much as you have Vickie: dark, trippy, funny, thoroughly enjoyable. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:34:41 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Shoegazer music (Was: Re: IQ's Ever/Guitarists) > >Forgive my ignorance please, but what is "shoegazer music"? > > This very question sparked off a rather large thread a while back. I wish > I'd kept them 'cause there was a really good description of it there. Okay > (deep breath), "shoegazer" (or dream-pop) is basically guitar rock which > uses layers of guitar, feedback, distortion, samplers, keyboards and then > more guitars to make a sound which is both ethereal and dissonant. The two > bands which seemed to influence dream-pop the most without actually being > part of it were "The Cocteau Twins" (the ethereal side) and "The Jesus and > Mary Chain" (the dissonant side), but the ultimate shoegazer band, who were > sort of in the middle but more "out-there" than either, were My Bloody > Valentine, whose 1988 album "Isn't Anything" sort of defined the genre's > explosion, while their 1991 album "Loveless" signified it's pinnacle. The > basic shoegazer sound involves lots of guitars mixing in and out of each > other, an often very slow, dreamy sound (though it could be punkishly fast > as well, see My Bloody Valentine's Only Shallow) and light, airy vocals > singing lyrics about nothing in particular. > > If I were going to name ten key dream-pop albums they would be: > > The Jesus And Mary Chain - Psychocandy (1985) > Loop - Heaven's End (1986?) > My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything (1988) > A.R. Kane - i (1989) > The Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas (1990) > My Bloody Valentine - Loveless (1991) > Ride - Nowhere (1991) > Lush - Spooky (1992) > Kitchens Of Distincion - The Death Of Cool (1992) > Curve - Cuckoo (1993) Thank you Tim and Bob for your explanation of "shoegazer" music. I also appreciated Veronica's eloquent, creative and eclectic definition very much. Thank you Veronica! I enjoy the Cocteau Twins. I like the layered guitars, keys and ethereal vocals. I never got heavily into them, but like some of their work. I have "Treasure" and "Blue Bell Knoll". I have wanted to get Lush "Spooky" for awhile. I just never got around to it. I have heard bits and pieces of that somewhere (I think on MTV 120 minutes, when it was on). What little I have heard of The Jesus and Mary Chain I don't like. It is a little too dissonant for my tastes. Based on this information, which of these recordings above would you most recommend to me? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Teresa Ross (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:58:42 -0600 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Chicago: Blondie and Melissa Ferrick at Tower Hey again! Just a note for Chicago ectophiles: I noticed when I was suffering my way around Tower Records on N. Clark this evening that both Blondie and Melissa Ferrick are scheduled to do in-store appearances there within the next month. I think Blondie is next week or something, and Melissa Ferrick is 3/13. But I'm sure those dates are off, I know they're coming up, though. - --Kay np: still Paula Cole ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:56:40 -0600 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Re: Male vocalists Hey-- Just wanted to add my $.02--my faves of the male leaning... Peter Gabriel Genesis (Phil Collins era, ironically) Fish era Marillion Billy Joel as a songwriter, but not as a singer. Elton John Louis Armstrong Seal Garth Brooks Prince/Squiggle--the earlier stuff Sting Queen Dave Matthews Neil Diamond Marc Cohn Beautiful South David Byrne Moody Blues Paul Simon (I'm surprised he hasn't turned up already...) James Taylor I'm sure there are others, but I'd rather not mention them right now. (Barry Manilow, anyone?) I was musing this morning while I was in the shower--it seems like there is a disproportionately large number of venues for female singer-songwriters to get their names out there--I can count ten web pages off the top of my head without terribly much thought that support women's music (and womyn's music for that matter...). But are there venues out there that support male singer-songwriters in the same way? I mean, besides the obvious heavily commercial places. You just don't see websites out there "celebrating" the boys' music these days. It's almost female chauvinism in a way. Not saying that it isn't about time the pendulum swung the other way for a bit, but it just made me giggle. Gee, that went on for a while... - --Kay np: Paula Cole, Harbinger nr: HTML for Dummies. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:02:42 -0000 From: "Graham" Subject: Male Vocalist Recommendation Has anyone in this thread mentioned the late-lamented Nick Drake or Al Stewart? Graham Lubin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:09:44 PST From: basil@naxs.com Subject: The male vocalist thing Hey all, i just thought i'd bring up Neutral Milk Hotel since this last year or two they've been in our cd players way too much. another recent male vocalist group i've been overlistening to is Soul Coughing (though i'm not allowed to put them on when Jill is home because she hates them). There is something about the lead singer's voice and the rhythms. I second/third etcetera Bowie (and yes to earlier stuff with my favorite being _scary monsters_ and _the man who sold the world_ the latter probably because of long term familiarity. And Peter Gabriel. And Nick Cave. And NIN. And Lou Reed. And Richard Thompson. Hmm. My recent years have been spent adding some males to the cd collection it seems! take care all! brad NP silence with the hum of adolescent voices filtering into my planning period NR _Shadows and Vine_ deLint - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:35:49 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Movie Awards and such >> >I know there are lots of movie fans on this list, so I just wanted >> >to point those people to my Movie Awards website, The Chlotrudis >> >Awards. This year marks the Fifth Annual Chlotrudis Awards, and >> >if you are at all a fan of movies, especially non-Hollywood types, >> >head on over to http://www.whereitis.com/home/chlotrudis. >> >There you'll find the 1998 nominees, our Mission Statement, a list >> >of past nominees and winners, and even an on-line ballot for you to >> >register your vote! Since we're chiming in with ectopian film sites, I wanted to remind folks about my Artsy Fartsy movie pages at http://www.mooman.com/brianb/cine.htm While there is some overlap with the Chlotrudis movies, I delve into many barely known foreign flicks as well. Nothing noble like awards, though, just my capsule reviews and ratings of every foreign, art-house, or off-hollywood movie I've ever seen. ;) brian the mooman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation My impression is that Peter Gabriel would be the "consensus" Ecto male vocalist. Here are two others I haven't seen mentioned this time around: Peter Hammill Marc Cohn Nobody does despair and loneliness like Peter; Marc's just all-around emotive and entertaining. I have to say that I'm one of the people who just can't get past Rufus Wainwright's voice; I can't think of anyone who sounds more like they're singing "through their nose." I'd rather hear a voice like Tom Waits' any day... Greg np: Lone Justice, _This World Is Not My Home_ nr: various works on the philosophy of consciousness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:54:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: re: putting music on da web/male vocalists/Susan Werner On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Steve I wrote: > I suggest that you offer a choice of formats. I like to offer 3 formats on > my sites: WAV, RealAudio, and MP3. Since Windoze machines still dominate > the webscape, WAV is a good format to use as a sort of base file to be used > if people have nothing better installed. RealAudio IMO is a horrible > format but almost every music fan surfing the net has a RealAudio player > installed, so I'd also recommend offering that as an option. It also has > the advantage that you can offer a streaming version even if you don't have > a RealAudio server installed on your web server. And MP3 is good for > offering higher-quality sound clips for those people who have it installed > (and have hardware that's not too antiquated!), usually for download (as > opposed to streaming in real time). MP3 streaming is also quite feasible. That's how Vickie's Radio Ecto works. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM Subject: Keyboardists Now that we've done guitarists thoroughly, how about some discussion of piano/keyboard players? (This subject came up tangentially in the recent Marillion discussion.) Obviously, Tori will figure prominently in any list of (primarily) piano players. While she probably doesn't have the technical "chops" of Tori, I think Kate is one of the two most accomplished musicians at artistically using keyboards to convey a musical vision. The other one is Tony Banks of Genesis. Other keyboard players from the "prog" movement, like Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, were flashier (wankier) and perhaps displayed more overt virtuosity; however, I don't think anyone used keyboards to produce sound, rather than sound effects, and evoke emotion the way Tony did (and does). I could name many other accomplished/effective keyboard players (e.g., Happy), but I'll let others carry on. :) Greg np: Lone Justice, _This World Is Not My Home_ nr: various works on the philosophy of consciousness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:57:59 -0500 (EST) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation greg.jumper sez: > My impression is that Peter Gabriel would be the "consensus" Ecto male > vocalist. For the last seven+ years, that's been the one that's always proferred as a male ecto artist... > Here are two others I haven't seen mentioned this time > around: > Marc Cohn Actually, Cohn's been mentioned by a couple of people (and not me; I've been avoiding all this for now, dunno why...) > I have to say that I'm one of the people who just can't get past Rufus > Wainwright's voice; I can't think of anyone who sounds more like > they're singing "through their nose." I'd rather hear a voice like > Tom Waits' any day... Blech. I absolutely cannot tolerate Tom Waits (though I have a lot of respect for him). Rufus I adore. Le'see. Someone's already mentioned Matthew Sweet; I love him for the fact that he multitracks his own harmonies (something very common to ecto women, but exceedingly rare amongst male performers), and his vocal arrangements are always lush and wonderful. No Enya, to be sure, but still wonderful. I adore Lorin Sklamberg's voice (one friend of mine has commented that it's a great voice for yiddish, but it's too smooth for english; I'd take it any language) Hmmm. I'm trying to think of other *voices*, which is hard to do without bringing in the music they're singing. Oh well, maybe later... jeff np: _The Shvitz_ (soundtrack), Frank London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > Hmmm. I'm trying to think of other *voices*, which is hard to do without > bringing in the music they're singing. Oh well, maybe later... I guess I'll bring up Daniel Cartier, whose debut album was on my Best CD's I bought in 1998 list. He's not widely known, but he's got a soaring voice that has a lot in common with Rufus Wainwright's in regard to emotion and longing, but doesn't have the nasal, meandering quality that some people find off-putting. (Not me though, I'm a big Rufus, and Daniel fan). Sometimes Daniel's voice reminds me a little of Feargal Sharkey's with a little less warble. He's really got a great voice, and I really liked the way (was it Charley?) put it: he isn't afraid to pour his heart and his emotions into his voice. Definitely someone to check out. Michael n.p. Daniel Cartier - Avenue A - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:25:32 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation The ratio of male to female artists in my collection continues to shrink--however the few male artists whose voices I love: Paul McCartney Richard Shindell Mark Hollis of Talk Talk Suede (London Suede) Bauhaus/Peter Murphy/Tones on Tail/Daniel Ash New Order ABC (Martin Fry) Live (whoever the lead singer is--I love his voice, but really don't like their music all that much) Lead singer of the New Radicals--yeah, they sound just like World Party, but his voice contains an optimism that is irrepressible Freddie Mercury At rare times, Bruce Springsteen Gregory Page - a San Diego singer-songwriter, former member of Steve Poltz's band The Rugburns and one of Jewel's buddies--his solo album, The Romantic Adventures of Harry is great. He's supposed to have a second album out, but I've yet to hear or see anything about it. Anyone know anything? Count me in in the people who really wanted to like Rufus Wainwright, have listened to the album repeatedly, and it still doesn't do much for me. I've gotten past hating his voice, but can't say that I actually enjoy listening to the album. I also like a number of Latin male voices--more so than most female Latin singers--Marc Anthony, Alejandro Fernandez. This seems to be the only category of music in which this is the case. For example, I love jazz/cabaret/broadway style songs by women (ala Betty Buckley, Ann Hampton Callaway, Diana Krall, etc), but absolutely can't stand hardly any of the men who sing in this genre. For classical, I actually really like Andrea Bocelli,and Jose Cura. Cura's latest album of Argentinian songs, Anhelo, is fabulous. Both artists are featured on Sarah Brightman's Time To Say Goodbye album. I think Bocelli's music is a little more diverse (and more pop), but Cura has the stronger voice. Jeff Hanson n.p. nothing :( n.r. Doomsday Book - Connie Willis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:48:28 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Male vocalists On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:56:40 -0600, Kay S Cleaves wrote: >Just wanted to add my $.02--my faves of the male leaning... >Queen oh yeah... Freddy Mercury and Queen definitely belong on my list! - - B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:00:22 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Male vocalists Kay S Cleaves wrote: >I'm sure there are others, but I'd rather not mention them right now. >(Barry Manilow, anyone?) I was musing this morning while I was in the >shower--it seems like there is a disproportionately large number of >venues for female singer-songwriters to get their names out there--I can >count ten web pages off the top of my head without terribly much thought >that support women's music (and womyn's music for that matter...). But >are there venues out there that support male singer-songwriters in the >same way? I mean, besides the obvious heavily commercial places. You >just don't see websites out there "celebrating" the boys' music these >days. It's almost female chauvinism in a way. Not saying that it isn't >about time the pendulum swung the other way for a bit, but it just made >me giggle. Not to get into an argument about how much the world has changed or not, but the reason there aren't websites supporting male musical artists as a group is the "male" is still the default. I will be very happy when there's no need for web pages that particularly help women artists get out there, but at this point in time it still makes sense for women to group together to help each other get their voices heard. If you look at the mainstream media there are a lot more women there than there ever used to be, but it's still a new thing, and women are lumped together in a way that men never are. If you watch MTV and such you'll still see about five all-male-group videos for every one that has a female artists or a female lead singer. We've taped 120 Minutes for years, and when we fast forward through the show just in case they might have shown something interesting (increasingly a failing hope) they have at most 3 videos by women artists in the whole show. Boy rock still rules the roost. I think we're watching a sea change, though. I'll be interested to see if it really does happen or if there's a true backlash. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:03:37 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Keyboardists Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM wrote: >Now that we've done guitarists thoroughly, how about some discussion >of piano/keyboard players? (This subject came up tangentially in the >recent Marillion discussion.) Well, two women who have the technical chops that Tori does are Pepper Acton and Margot O'Breslin--those women can really play! Like Tori, it sounds as though the piano is an extension of their voices. Makes for powerful music. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:09:30 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Keyboardists On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:55:18 -0800 (PST), Greg.Jumper@Eng.Sun.COM wrote: >Other keyboard players from the "prog" >movement, like Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, were flashier (wankier) >and perhaps displayed more overt virtuosity; however, I don't think >anyone used keyboards to produce sound, rather than sound effects, and >evoke emotion the way Tony did (and does). I don't quite agree with this. Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman deserve as much credit for their artistic skill as does someone like Tori Amos. Perhaps in their times, with the introduction of viable analog synthesizers like the Mini Moog and the Arp Odysssey, they were prone to show off their toys a bit "much", just like the film industry went heywire putting out extravagant musical after extravagant musical following the technological breaktrough of addidng sound to motion pictures. In just about any industry, including today's musical and recording industries, any time that a new technological marvel comes on the scene, it is used and abused and reused to no end; which ain't necessarily a bad thing. As they say, boys (and girls) and their toys. If you've got it, flaunt it. But Rick Wakeman, at the top of my favorite keyboardist list, as well as Keith Emerson, posses much technical ability and artistic ability, and they too have put out emotionally evocative works. And that's my 11.53 Venezuelan Bolivares. :)) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:36:51 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Varker Subject: No grammy for Tori!!! It saddens me to report that Tori did not win either of the grammies she was nominated for ( yes, the artist's know in advance whether or not they've won ). Also she is not planning to attend as she is now in Europe spending time with Mark ( with whom she just celebrated their 1st wedding anniversary yest.). Tori is a bit dissapointed but it's more to do with the music industry and the way things are done than with anything else. Oh and don't forget the Jackie's Strength CD5 maxi single is officially released today. Please no e-mail about where I got any info as I won't be able to answer, but I assure this is legit!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:00:04 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: Keyboardists Neile writes: > Well, two women who have the technical chops that Tori does are Pepper > Acton and Margot O'Breslin--those women can really play! Like Tori, it > sounds as though the piano is an extension of their voices. Makes for > powerful music. I totally disagree about Pepper... that's the first time, I think, that I haven't liked someone Neile has suggested to the list ;) Other really good pianist: Emm Gryner, Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Sarah Slean (!!), and local San Fran artist, Beth Waters. - --jessica http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:30:20 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: Keyboardists < Songbird22@aol.com> writes: >Other really good pianist: Emm Gryner, Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Sarah >Slean (!!), and local San Fran artist, Beth Waters. I'll agree with Jessica's endorsements here... esp. Beth Waters & Sarah Slean... two of my favorite recent musical "discoveries" - it's always unbelievable to me that such amazing artists could be so well hidden. :) I never would have heard of either of these two if I wasn't on this list... Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease/ "I know it's been quite a long time since I / Sang a hymn without guilt in my eyes / But I believe he truly wouldn't care 'cause if you / Really tried he'd save a place for you there..." ---(Sarah Slean, "John XXIII")--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:57:45 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Keyboardists Since Sarah Slean has already been mentioned, I'll add Emily Bezar and Beth Sorrentino (of Suddenly, Tammy!) to the list... though of course, for me at least, Tori far outshines them all. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:03:24 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Keyboardists At 02:57 PM 2/23/99 -0500, Michael Curry wrote: > > Since Sarah Slean has already been mentioned, I'll add Emily Bezar >and Beth Sorrentino (of Suddenly, Tammy!) to the list... though of >course, for me at least, Tori far outshines them all. Doh... I almost forgot Veda Hille! Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:17:46 -0600 From: "girl with the curious hair" Subject: keyboard players and melty male voices my personal favorites: tori amos john cale (just listen to 'fragments of a rainy season', i was blown away by that album) veda hille although i like sarah slean's and emm gryner's piano playing, something about it doesn't stick out much... and for male vocalists, i forgot some of my favorites, dammit: luca (sings with leila) greg dulli (he makes me melt) and GAVIN FRIDAY how could i possibly forget dear ole' gavin? his voice makes me go all gooey... jessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:13:31 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Keyboardists Songbird22@aol.com wrote: >Neile writes: > >> Well, two women who have the technical chops that Tori does are Pepper >> Acton and Margot O'Breslin--those women can really play! Like Tori, it >> sounds as though the piano is an extension of their voices. Makes for >> powerful music. > >I totally disagree about Pepper... that's the first time, I think, that I >haven't liked someone Neile has suggested to the list ;) Hmm. I can see not liking her music (well, I couldn't until Marion described her experience listening to her and now I think I understand but I still think her work is evocative and brilliant), but not thinking she's a good pianist surprises me. Her performances aren't "clean", but in the same way Tori's aren't. Maybe it's her jazz/honkytonk timing that bugs people? - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:17:13 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Keyboardists At 2:30 PM -0500 2/23/99, Kevin Pease wrote: >< Songbird22@aol.com> writes: >>Other really good pianist: Emm Gryner, Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Sarah >>Slean (!!), and local San Fran artist, Beth Waters. > > I'll agree with Jessica's endorsements here... esp. Beth Waters & Sarah >Slean... two of my favorite recent musical "discoveries" - it's always >unbelievable to me that such amazing artists could be so well hidden. :) I >never would have heard of either of these two if I wasn't on this list... > Hey, Kevin & Jessica, tell us more about Beth Waters. I can't remember much mention of her before. Oh, and I apologize for the slip in not mentioning Sarah Slean in my list. And--duh--Veda, of course!!!! Her jazzy/classical/pop-y piano work is brilliant, and she can really play with her band with more interplay than my other favourites--while they all play with bands (except Pepper) the piano is always foregrounded--Veda is great at integrating hers as part of a more overall sound while still showing excellent musicianship. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:57:28 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribe help?/ CD search engine? In a message dated 2/21/99 2:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerrywhite@webtv.net writes: << I was taking the CDs out of the wallet when Tribe: Sleeper broke in two!!!!!^%&^^%!! I had lucked out and found it used-the only one I ever saw! Is there a general CD search engine that checks all the sources?? I checked Amazon and CDnow and no luck. On a side note: CDnow had 2 singles: "Don't Touch" in vinyl and "Just you and I" on CD single, anyone ever heard of these?? >> Hi, Kerry ;-) I just checked one of my favorite places for music -- GEMM. They have Sleeper.....and bunches of other stuff.....including "Just You and I" and "Don't Tease." GEMM Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:01:24 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Speaking of talented musicians... (and the Ecto CD!) Hey guys, I'm going back into the studio in march/april to begin recording my second album in NYC with a sort of well-known person :) and I'm looking for a bassist and a cellist (Paul??) in the NYC area... if anyone knows of any who might be willing to help me out, *please* e-mail me... I would appreciate it a lot. Also, the Ecto compilation CD sounds way cool. i'm up for it--either recording new tracks of my own or covering an Ecto-ish artist, I think this could be a cool project, but is anyone willing to oversee it all? We did this on the Jonatha Brooke list, so maybe we can seek advice from the people who participated on that... - -jessica, frightened of piano lessons at 5. http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:48:58 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Tribe: been helped thanks! Hi, [read subject line]. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:59:21 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Jingle vs Genius Hi, "Are you all sitty comftobole to squirm your boty? Then I'll begin..." For the youngsters in the [audience]: a "jingle' was the term for the incidiously designed musical catch phrases made in the '50s by ad-men. They were made to rattle around in the skull after 2 or 3 hearings and were flooded onto the radio and tv airways. It was virtually impossible not to have one or more in your 'hum-cache' ready to come out when you weren't ready. Genius, in this context, is the turn-of-phrase that is so beautiful, or haunting, or evocative that you willingly will not let it leave you alone. See/hear Happy, KaTe, Tori, et al, for many examples. How does "jingle vs genius" affect your sensiblities? Reactions, furtherences, or laughter welcome. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:44:43 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: new Suzanne Vega? Anyone have any thoughts on the new best-of Suzanne Vega album?? What are her best albums in your opinion? - -Jessica http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:18:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Jingle vs Genius On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, kerry white wrote: > How does "jingle vs genius" affect your sensiblities? Reactions, > furtherences, or laughter welcome. bye, They're not necessarily exclusive. My hum-cache of latest has included a car commercial ("Get in my car and drive for miles and miles and miles" - -- who is that singing?), the "yadda-yadda-yadda" riff from MWABT, "Rebel Rebel" (which is also now on a car commercial), and John Cage's "Experiences II". Yay, postmodernage. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:43:58 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: Jingle vs Genius Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, kerry white wrote: > > > How does "jingle vs genius" affect your sensiblities? Reactions, > > furtherences, or laughter welcome. bye, > > They're not necessarily exclusive. My hum-cache of latest has included a > car commercial ("Get in my car and drive for miles and miles and miles" > -- who is that singing?), the "yadda-yadda-yadda" riff from MWABT, "Rebel > Rebel" (which is also now on a car commercial), and John Cage's > "Experiences II". Yay, postmodernage. Yeah... but *genius*? I dunno... cleverness, maybe... Still, it's hard for me to tell, having never seen/heard the commercial. Postmodernage is a difficult thing to assess for genius at any rate... The media are (by definition) not conventional Chris - -- (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today that the official release date for the new operating system "Windows 2000" will be delayed until the second quarter of 1901. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:16:03 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: new Suzanne Vega? Songbird22@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts on the new best-of Suzanne Vega album?? > What are her best albums in your opinion? It's a nice collection, especially since it has two new songs, "Book and a Cover" and "Rosemary." As far as her best albums, I would say her first self-titled album and _99.9 F degrees_ are my favorites. I don't think I could ever tire of either one. The first one is very stark and poetic. There is usually some sort of band accompaniment on every song, but the focus is on her voice and the acoustic guitar. _99.9_ is very different. It's sort of an industrial-folk hybrid. Much more instrumentation and experimentation. But really you can't go wrong with any of her albums. _Solitude Standing_, _Days of Open Hand_, and even _9 Objects of Desire_ (the weakest IMHO) have some of my favorite songs of hers on them. Stuart np: nothing! still reading: The Passionate Eye - Suzanne Vega - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #66 *************************