From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #56 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 05 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Jewelie Jewel [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Guitarists females [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Guitarists [Yves Denneulin ] Guitar/Bass (female) ["Donald G. Keller" ] IQ's Ever/Guitarists ["Tim Finney" ] Re: Guitarists [Michael Colford ] Re: Guitarists [Bob Keefer ] Re: Jewelie Jewel [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Re: Rainbirds live [Wolfgang Drotschmann ] Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! [Rubber DeNiro ] Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Jewelie Jewel [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Guitarists [FAMarcus@aol.com] beth orton on sessions--anyone get an audio tape of it? [Songbird22@aol.c] Re:guitarists [dave ] 20/20 on tori [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: guitarists [Mark Lowry ] Re: 20/20 on tori and STORYTELLERS! [Songbird22@aol.com] re : guitarists [Paul Kim ] Re: Bass Guitarists , and a question about live music at home... ["Robert] Re: Guitarists [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:24:43 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) did i mention ..........jeff beck??????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:36:32 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Jewelie Jewel In a message dated 2/14/99 5:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlewis@adnc.com writes: << One thing's for sure, if _Spirit_ had come out first, it wouldn't have sold 10 million copies. >> ok.....i really don't mean to be rude but could you explain to me why pieces of you sold that many copies???? i put it on every so often to make sure that it's not just her personality that makes me dislike it. it sure isn't her looks............. ( i think im serious now ) fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:42:01 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitarists females In a message dated 2/14/99 10:42:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, meth@smoe.org writes: << I guess it's telling that this thread has rattled off screens upon screens of great male guitarists, but i just had to rack my brains for ten minutes and ask woj's help to come up with just these 9 names. Can anyone else add to the list? >> happy rhodes is pretty good ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:15:15 +0100 (CET) From: Yves Denneulin Subject: Re: Guitarists > Susan James came to mind immediately when this thread started. Mine has been screaming Maria McKee for 5 minutes. What she did with an electric guitar on the last tour is amazing. - -- Yves. n.p.: Lone Justice _This world is not my home_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Guitar/Bass (female) The best female rock guitarist I think I've ever seen is Vicki Peterson of the Bangles. I've got a tape of a Bangles concert that ran on MTV and Vicki basically ripped up the place. She reminded me of James Honeyman-Scott (original Pretenders guitarist and very underrated) in the way that she had a different style for each song. (Chrissie Hynde is not a particularly outstanding guitar player, technically.) Two of the best bass players I've ever heard are female: Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads and Gina Birch of the Raincoats. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:50:18 +0000 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: IQ's Ever/Guitarists - ---------- >From: Bill Mazur >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: IQ's Ever >Date: Sat, Feb 13, 1999, 8:11 PM > Okay, since this guitarist thread's come up, I'll quickly go through my favourites before cutting to the main message. As you can see I'm not so much into the "classic" guitarists mode. Favourite Guitarists: Marty Wilson Piper/Peter Koppes (The Church) - See my ramble below. (Example song: Reptile) Steve Rothery (Marillion) - He writes guitar lines like Russian epics (Example song: Easter) Kevin Shields (My Bloody Valentine) - A genius who reinvented the guitar as we know it! Who could *not* list him? (Example song: Soon) Reg Smithies (The Chameleons) - Somewhere between punk and shoegazer, some of the most wonderful riffs ever were made by this guy. (Example song: Swamp Thing) Daniel Swayles (Kitchens Of Distinction) - My new favourite. Basically the best person ever at echoey-achey soundscapes in the realm of pop. (Example song: Third Time We Opened The Capsule) Ani DiFranco - No-one plays with so much raw power IMHO. (Example song: Light Of Some Kind) Johnny Marr (The Smiths) - Because melody is always underrated in these lists (Example song: This Charming Man) Happy Rhodes - Just listen to The Keep again. (Example Song: Temporary And Eternal) BTW, my favourite bassists are Simon Gallup from The Cure, Pete Trewas from Marillion and Jaco Pastorius. >I agree with your statement about Mark's work being subtle. His strength >to me is that he is an outstanding piano player. His best work is when >he is using that sort of approach to his playing. I don't mean that he >is always necessarily using a piano or piano sound when he is playing a >passage either. His other keyboard work is very textural. He seems to >create keyboard washes. I think that, on the whole though, Mark >approaches his keyboard work from a piano player's point of view. I understand this. I find that Mark's work is at his weakest when he is deliberately trying to sound un-piano/keyboardy - for example all the instrument-imitation on This Strange Engine (strings, trumpets, flutes etc.) annoys me because it sounds too fake. I much prefer the more textural keyboard work and piano parts (although the song This Strange Engine has enough of that for a whole album! - question: what's the instrument which makes the weird synth runs Mark used to do on the really early albums, and then did again for this song and (I think) White Russian?). >I believe that Martin Orford approaches his playing from an overall >keyboard player's perspective. He seems to use more organ, synth and >mellotron (strings, voices, flutes) type of sounds in his playing. Now I >do realize that they are both using primarily synthesizers to get most >of these sounds. I imagine this to work in a similar way to Bank's work on Genesis albums? (not accusing Martin of copying, but Banks' work seems to show the quality you mentioned). Hmm, just thinking of that opening to the first song on Lush Attic. You're right. >As a guitarist myself, my favorite guitarists, I believe, play with >emotion, passion, fire and soul. Many of them are very technically >skilled, but it is the emotion that they put into their work that gets >to me. My favorites are Andy Latimer, David Gilmour, Steve Hackett, >Steve Rothery, Carlos Santana and Eric Clapton. Have to say that my favourite guitar work would be that of Marty Wilson-Piper and Peter Koppes in The Church, especially the kind of stuff they've been doing throughout the nineties, which almost approaches prog. Their latest album, Hologram of Baal, was my pick of the year, and is comparable to Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight. There's a few big differences - Kilbey's singing is deadpan rather than emotive (his lyrics are brilliant though), they don't have a keyboardist, but use weird production, and the brilliance of the guitar work is more from the guitarists' ability to play off each other than an ability to solo. A great example would be "Reptile" from their most successful album, Starfish, where Peter plays a short, high staccato line while Marty interweaves a low, moaning Rothery-style line on top. The effect is amazing. I'd say I prefer work like that, where guitars intermingle to create a lush sound, though Rothery would probably come second to The Church in my humble and illogical opinion. And of course I love Marr's melodies in The Smith's work. >At times his work is also quite >powerful as is his organ playing on "Hard as Love". His playing on this >piece kind of contradicts all of my previous statements about Mark >taking primarily a piano playing approach to his work. His work on their latest album is an extension of that sort of playing. >I find it interesting and very cool that your favorite Marillion CDs >come from both the Fish and H eras. I too love both incarnations of the >band. I absolutely love Fish's lyrics, but I find that while Hogarth/Helmer's work can be at times simplistic, the lyrical economy of a piece like Out Of This World can be just as effective as, say Blind Curve. The great singing doesn't hurt either. Because I don't really care about genres, musically I just require that the songs have a high standard of Marillion-brand emotiveness, which they've generally managed to maintain for their entire existance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Guitarists On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, meredith wrote: > I must admit to pretty much just skimming through this thread so far, but > Valerie's response caught my attention. Yeah, me too! They've both already been mentioned, but Nancy Wilson of Heart and Wendy Melvoin are the two female guitarists that first jump into my mind. Heart was my favorite band in the '80's, and although my primary (albeit gay) adlescent adoration was saved mostly for Ann, I always admired Nancy's guitarwork. She can play a mean acoustic guitar, and she's no slouch on electric either. In the late 80's and 90's I began a huge Wendy & Lisa fan, and Wendy is quite the guitarist. I had the pleasure of seeing them live on trou for Eroica, and again, despite my adoration of Lisa (I have a thing for keyboard players... it all started with Christine McVie) Wendy really impressed me as a guitarist. And if I haven't plugged it lately, don't miss Wendy & Lisa's latest project entitled Girl Bros. Excellent songwriting, terrfic arrangements, moving lyrics, and just great music. They've got that pseudo-psychedelic rock, acoustic funk down cold. Ah, it's too early, I'm not thinking straight... Michael n.p. The Northern Pikes - Snow in June - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Keefer Subject: Re: Guitarists I've always been kind of surprised by the lack of Joan Armatrading talk on ecto (unless I missed it). I always thought she was a good guitarist, but when I finally saw her (back in the '80s, this was), I was truly impressed. She's so shy, even on stage, that it's almost like she wants to keep her ability a secret. But at one point in the concert someone handed her an electric guitar, and she ripped through a solo that made the whole crowd gasp out loud; I don't think anyone had any idea that she even -played- electric at that point. [Fond memories from the Tower Theater, just outside Philadelphia...] bob k. - ----------------------- --------------------- ---------------------- Robert Keefer Psychology Department And we know that we're Mt. St. Mary's College (301) 447-5394 alive, If we weren't Emmitsburg, MD 21727 keefer@msmary.edu sure before/I reach - ----------------------- --------------------- for you by my side [Speaking for myself.] and soar. - B-52's ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:42:54 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: Re: Jewelie Jewel ><< One thing's for sure, if _Spirit_ had come out first, it wouldn't have sold > 10 million copies. >> > > >ok.....i really don't mean to be rude but could you explain to me why pieces >of you sold that many copies???? i put it on every so often to make sure that >it's not just her personality that makes me dislike it. it sure isn't her >looks............. > > ( i think im serious now ) fred No, funny thing, Fred, I think it is (partly) her looks. First of all, superficial though it is, you can't discount the importance of looks as a selling point in the entertainment world. Well, except maybe for the Stones. It is true that ugly guys make the best rockers (Pete Townshend, Lemme), but generally to be a sex symbol you gotta be pretty (Marilyn, Madonna, Jim Morrison, et al.). But then there's Jewel. On the whole, she's one foxy Scandinavian drink o' water, and yet her physical "flaws" are obvious. (I hasten to add that I ain't no sight for sore eyes myself.) And so millions of guys would give their left nut for one night in the sack with this chick who's got bad teeth and a nose you could walk up. And I think that's great. In a way, it says, "Look, you don't have to be _perfect_ to be attractive; hell, I'm not." Having stated all that, if you still don't connect with her on that purely carnal level, I understand. I don't get what it is about Cindy Crawford either. Oh, besides that, _POY_ is just simply a good album that connects deeply with a lot of people -- namely, teenagers, and that's who buys millions of records, not old farts like me. I recently saw some (talented) middle school-aged girls performing Jewel's songs to their peers, who ate it right up, and at that moment it dawned on me that Jewel's music, good or bad, _speaks_ to teenage girls today in much the way that, say, Joni Mitchell or Neil Young did circa 1970, when I was that age. If any of the foregoing is contradictory or incoherent, my apologies, but it's 5:30 a.m. and I'm running on caffeine. Vivarin is a gas, by the way; try smoking it sometime. - -- Scott Tissue El Cajon CA * * * Some see things as they are and say "Why?" Some see things as they could be and say "Why not?" Some see things that aren't there and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:41:40 +0100 (MET) From: Wolfgang Drotschmann Subject: Re: Rainbirds live Hallo Ectofolks! Let me add my two or three thoughts to what Dirk wrote a few weeks ago about the Rainbirds... He said he was very delighted, Well, I would paraphrase my impressions of their last show I saw in Bonn with: I went home rather elated! (Hi Yves! I hope you'll get the chance to see them live!) I saw them two times last year: First in Cologne (I joined two well-know subscribers of the list - Hi Klaus & Claudia! :-) in the "PrimeClub", and then again in Bonn in a location called "Harmonie" (nice place by the way). Didn't I say I would do a review this time? Hmm, somewhere on my desk at home I have the notes I made that evening... So, I could still do it :-) What I was to say comes now. The venue in Cologne, the "PrimeClub", is only acceptable up to a certain amount of volume. The three mentioned above also saw Kristin Hersh there weeks later, and it was nice! But for the Rainbirds this place hasn't worked. So this time I'm going to see them at a location where the sound will (hopefully) be much better. (Klaus, I'll have the tickets for Ani with me ;-) And, to throw in a question: Is _Cosmic Ceiling_ (sp?) a good start with Bobo? I saw it lately in the second hand cd shop...) In Bonn, in the "Harmonie" it definitely was! And they did a better version of "Blueprint". In the "Luxor", aehm, I ment "Prime", Katharina used an E-guitar, and she made it scream way to much. Gigs later, she used a acoustic guitar, and it was very good. *Absolutely brilliant* is their (new) arrangement of "Call me easy...". This became possible because Tim Lorenz (on drums) joined them. He is great! So, I'm looking forward to see them again... And at all, in the coming weeks my schedule contains a lot of Ecto-related gigs: Aziza Mustafa-Zadeh (19. Feb) Rainbirds (27. Feb) Ani Di Franco (7. Mar) Subway to Sally (31. Mar or 6. Apr, but no Ecto music, sorry :-) Koelle alaaf! (Yes, it's carnival again!) Wolfgang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:17:44 +0000 From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Bass Guitarists (Was: Re: Guitarists) Laura Love needs to be on a list of excellent female bass guitarists. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:35:09 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Bass Guitarists (Was: Re: Guitarists) Just a few additions to Bill's list off the top of my head: John Wetton Jon Camp (Renaissance - NB: solo in live Ashes are Burning) John Gustafson (Early Roxy Music) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:49:29 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Female guitarists OK, just set me up for a local band plug... Denise Blake, of Connecticut's Sweeter Than Wine, is quite a fine guitarist. And gee, they're playing Toad's Place this Friday (2/19)! And a new updated web page too: http://www.sweeterthanwine.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! - ---Tom Ditto wrote: > > DeWey Ditto loves Teletubbies and so do his parents. Mrs. Ditto recently = > went to > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/teletubbies/ > > and accessed the Teletubbie Playground, a series of excellent Shockwave = > games.=20 > > And there was Satan.=20 > Yes, as you push Po along on his scooter he recites, "Faggot! Faggot!"=20 As I learned a while back on the same Web site, Po is not saying "Faggot, faggot." He's saying "fidit, fidit," which is--get this--British-accented Cantonese babytalk for "faster, faster." He says this sometimes when he's riding his scooter. - --charley > > This is the most blatant corruption of our youth since John Lennon = > started singing backwards! > > Boycott Disney... OK, but what does this have to do with the Teletubbies? > > Tom > ditto@taconic.net > "Do you copy? Over..." > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:49:20 From: Jack Sutton Subject: Re: Guitarists Yes I agree Joan Armatrading is an outstanding guitarist, she plays acoustic Ovations, a six string and a 12 string as well as a variety of electrics. When she tours, she takes about 7 guitars with her, including two electric gibsons and a strat. When I first saw Ani DiFranco, she was playing solo on an outdoor stage. She appeared to have some kind of picks attached to her fingers with black electrical tape. When she started to wail on that guitar, I realized the tape was a good idea. A most impressive guitartist and performer. I have not hear Ingwie Malmsteen mentioned in this thread, he's a little tempermental, but a highly skilled guitarist. I also like Michael Schenker. Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music www.hrmusic.com At 08:31 AM 2/15/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I've always been kind of surprised by the lack of Joan Armatrading talk >on ecto (unless I missed it). I always thought she was a good >guitarist, but when I finally saw her (back in the '80s, this was), I >was truly impressed. She's so shy, even on stage, that it's almost like >she wants to keep her ability a secret. But at one point in the concert >someone handed her an electric guitar, and she ripped through a solo >that made the whole crowd gasp out loud; I don't think anyone had any >idea that she even -played- electric at that point. > >[Fond memories from the Tower Theater, just outside Philadelphia...] > >bob k. > >----------------------- --------------------- ---------------------- >Robert Keefer Psychology Department And we know that we're >Mt. St. Mary's College (301) 447-5394 alive, If we weren't >Emmitsburg, MD 21727 keefer@msmary.edu sure before/I reach >----------------------- --------------------- for you by my side >[Speaking for myself.] and soar. - B-52's > ---------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:57:40 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! Falwell recently said that he did -not- out Tinky Winky. He commented on other modern cartoon characters, and the author of the article added the bit about Tinky Winky. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:38:09 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Recent acquisitions (a bit long) Hi, For some reason 1999 is beginning to be a record breaking year already - counting the cd's that are currently on their way to me (thanks Neal and Neile!) I've already acquired almost as many discs this year so far as in the whole year of 1998. :-) And what's more, most of these albums are very worthwhile too. So here are some reviews of the six discs I have got so far. I apologize for the lenght - and yes, Neile, you may. :-) - - Achinoam Nini & The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra This is just what the title says: a live album featuring Noa and Gil Dor, accompanied by the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra. The album contains 15 tracks, most are from 'Noa' or 'Achinoam Nini & Gil Dor', 'Calling' and last year's album are represented by 1 track each and there are 3 new tracks, one of which I already knew from her concerts. Sometimes it gets a bit much, with such a big orchestra, but in the end I think the result is very worthwhile, especially if you already like Noa. The closing track "Glitter and be gay" (from Candide) is hilarious, an operatic masterpiece. :-) As far as I know this cd is only available in Israel. It is mentioned in an elaborate discography for Noa on http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~arubin/disc.html where there is also (on the news page) a mention of a new English Geffen album by Noa, "Haunted" that was supposed to be released in the fall of 1998. Haven't seen it yet though. - - Mazi Cohen - same Another Israelian cd. A colleague of mine bought this (and Noa's disc) when he was in Israel, for a friend of mine, but I'm going to ask him to look for another copy for myself the next time he's going. ;-) This album dates back to 1992, and it's quite nice. All songs are in Hebrew, as is the booklet so I can't tell you much more. She has a nice voice. A couple of tracks are pretty straightforward rock that doesn't do much for me, but especially her mid-tempo songs (most songs on the cd) have original arrangements and beautiful melodies. And this album is of course especially interesting for the Hebrew version of "Army dreamers" (yep, the KaTe song) - I think she gave the song a nice vocal arrangement. Recommended - but again, probably only available in Israel. - - Mary Lydia Ryan - same This is my favourite new cd so far. Mary Lydia Ryan sings and plays the piano, and so comparisons to Tori come to mind. She's quite different though. While a song like "Bleeding" could have been a Tori song ('Little Earthquakes' era) most other songs are more mellow, more melancholic, introspective and wistful. Not depressing - - good music for a rainy day when you're comfortable inside by the open fire. Mary Lydia's piano playing is not as eloquent as Tori's but it's nice and flowing and very effective - I think it's beautiful. I like the prominent role the piano has in most songs, some are almost half instrumentals, and the sound of the piano is recorded wonderful. Her voice is high and clear, and very slightly lingering. The style of the different songs is quite diverse, but her flowing pianoplaying and her voice keep all songs together and make this a nice consistent album. Sometimes the music goes a bit in the jazzy easy listening direction (as in the bossa nova "Thinking of you"), other songs are more upbeat ("The Kiss", "Bleeding"), and in "Tale of the Cherub" there are vague glimpses of the experimental music of Emily Bezar. My favourite tracks so far are the opening track "Farewell Ophelia" (based on Shakespeare's words) - beautiful, melancholic, misty piano music, with some very effective strings added, and Mary Lydia's suiting voice, "Bleeding" and the haunting (oppressing?) "Pearls". I like the sparse arrangements, the addition of strings or a flute or drums in the right places works really well. Also the male vocals in "The Kiss", especially the spoken words there add drama to the song. I'm not too fond of the same male backing vocals in "I know" though, where I find them distracting and too much in the foreground. But that's the only real flaw I can find in this lovely album. It has spend a lot of time in my cd-player already, and will stay there for quite a while to come. More info about Mary Lydia Ryan can be found on her website http://www.eventure.com/mlr/ where there are also some sound samples. - - Bloem de Ligny - Zink Yes! A Dutch discovery at last. This may sound strange, but I think Ecto is my most important source for information about new artists, and well, there aren't that many Dutch Ectophiles around (Huub, are you still here? :-) ). I hardly ever listen to the radio or read Dutch music magazines, and so I sometimes miss out on interesting Dutch artists. Not that I miss much really. But Bloem de Ligny is an exception. She's been around for a couple of years even though I think she's quite young (19?). And last year she released her first cd. It's pure chaos. :-) The first impression is Bjork gone beserk, but after listening to the album some more I find it's very varied. A couple of songs are quiet, just Bloem and her acoustic guitar, but most feature sounds and noises and funny instruments (like a clavinet). The album was produced by Pete Briquette (of Tricky fame I think), but it's not dance music or trip hop. It's just original. Her music is mostly melodic. Her singing is original too, though her voice and her style remind me of Bjork in some places. Some songs ("Pirates") are so childlike cheerful you just have to smile at her, she makes me think of Pippi Longstocking. :-) But other songs are almost scary (like "Amborine"). My favourite tracks so far are the opening track "Blue Nix" (with the clavinet) and "Capsule" (how come this song does sound like spiders?). Bloem (which means 'flower' btw) has a homepage at http://www.bloemdeligny.com/ which is as chaotic as her personality I think. :-) There are some short sound samples available on the 'Noises' page. - - Joy Askew - Tender City I found this in the sales bin for only $1.50 and so I thought I'd give it a try. I haven't listened to it much yet, but so far I wonder how she managed to get so many Ecto-famous people to play on her album and yet make it so uninteresting. Of course I have to listen to it some more, but on first and second hearing I like it mostly in the background. Very soft pop, but not as interesting as Heidi Berry for example. But it might grow on further listening. - - Jane Siberry - Teenager I rescued Jane from the sales bin as well, for only $8 -- poor Jane. :-) These are (new) recordings of the first songs Jane wrote, accompanying herself on guitar or piano and backing vocals. I've only listened to this album once, and like it very much though the songs seem a bit the same (but that's usually my impression on first hearings). I find it amazing that these songs were indeed written when she was very young. Unfortunately the disc is slightly damaged and so I can't play track 12 ("When spring comes") without hitting fast forward every other second or so... I'm not sure if it's just a stain or if the disc is really damaged - any suggestions for what I could try to clean the disc? Oh well, that's all for now. More to come in the next few weeks... And ehm, as far as I know, 'blegvad' is not Dutch, though it could be pronounced as 'bleekwat(er)', which is indeed 'bleach'. :-) Best wishes, Marion n.p. Bloem de Ligny - Zink (I'll send it off tomorrow Neile!) n.r. Iris Murdoc - The sea, the sea - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:51:46 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Jewelie Jewel In a message dated 2/15/99 8:42:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlewis@adnc.com writes: << Oh, besides that, _POY_ is just simply a good album that connects deeply with a lot of people -- namely, teenagers, and that's who buys millions of records, not old farts like me. I recently saw some (talented) middle school-aged girls performing Jewel's songs to their peers, who ate it right up, and at that moment it dawned on me that Jewel's music, good or bad, _speaks_ to teenage girls today in much the way that, say, Joni Mitchell or Neil Young did circa 1970, when I was that age. If any of the foregoing is contradictory or incoherent, my apologies, but it's 5:30 a.m. and I'm running on caffeine. Vivarin is a gas, by the way; try smoking it sometime. >> no actually i believe you made some excellent points. i gave the cd for christmas to my 20 year old daughter's ( who also has the same tastes as most of us here but also finds jewel's music distasteful, as it seems a lot of her friends at college) younger 12 year old sister. the younger sister loves it. butttttttt.............. i am not one to live in the past...............just the opposite but i believe you are wrong about the two artists you mentioned. i can listen to both of them today and the music doesn't even come close to being as contrite or pretentious as jewel in the two albums i've listened to so far. a lot of people have spoken about other things she has done that were never recorded................live in concert. some of the cuts in the first album were live and in concert. i also want to disagree with you on her looks. i don't think perfection necessarily equates beauty. she has a "look" that i absolutely love as "flawed" as it may be. and i don't know how accurate that article was in entertainment weekly a couple of weeks back but it seems to back up a couple of other things i've read. i think if she has a flaw, it is in her personality. of course that can be said of me too. everyone has an opinion. there is only one thing that i still will occasionally smoke and its not cigarettes nor will it ever be vivarin. have you tried injecting it yet? you probably can avoid cancer that way but the social stigma might be a little harsh. (for those of you who need to know this......most of this last paragraph is satirical......not serious........light humor.........tongue in cheek ) fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:34:33 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitarists In a message dated 2/15/99 12:59:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, jsutton@hrmusic.com writes: << When I first saw Ani DiFranco, she was playing solo on an outdoor stage. She appeared to have some kind of picks attached to her fingers with black electrical tape. When she started to wail on that guitar, I realized the tape was a good idea. A most impressive guitartist and performer. >> i would like to second this. i got the same feeling when i saw her at the mann music center in philly. what an underrated artists she is. i think it was entertainment weekly who gave her a terrible review of her new cd. but most of their reviewers have their heads up their ass. the movie reviewers there too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:19:59 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: beth orton on sessions--anyone get an audio tape of it? hey guys, I taped Beth Orton on sessions, but it didn't come in on the radio for some reason and I'm wondering if anyone has an audio tape of it... I'm still looking for an audio tape of the PJ Harvey Sessions as well. If anyone can help me out, I've got lots to trade or I can pay you for a tape/postage, whatever... please e-mail me, I would appreciate it! Jessica http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:58:30 -0500 From: dave Subject: Re:guitarists Here's some of my favorites female: Maria McKee Jennifer Knapp Sandy Denny Lisa Loeb Male: Neil Young Alex Lifeson (Rush) Duane Allman (who did that great guitar on Layla that Clapton always gets credit for) Brett Kull (Grey Eye Glances, Always Almost) - -- +-----------------------------------------------------+ + dave + + irc.dal.net #Panic_Beach female music artist chat + + http://magpage.com/~sspan/ music clips/pics/links + +-----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:50:25 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: 20/20 on tori After seeing the segment on Tori a few minutes ago I want to thank whomever it was that alerted us that it was coming on tonight. It is probably the best piece I've see about her and one of the more emotional segments I've ever seen on 20/20. Anyone in central and western times zones should not miss this. I know I'll be watching it again. thanks again............fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:54:02 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: guitarists Omigod, Can't believe that in all this guitar talk, no one mentioned one of the best (IMHO): Junior Brown. He's that crazy country guy from Austin with the gigantic cowboy hat who invented a contraption he calls the "guit-steel," a six-string/steel guitar combo. And he's an amazing player, quickly shifting back and forth between each, and, I swear, sometimes plays them simultaneously. Don't know how, being that he's only got two hands like the rest of us. What a hoot to see in concert, too. Anyone interested in proof of this thing go to http://www.juniorbrown.com/ And his wife Tanya Rae is purty good too. And speaking of Texas guitar players ... surely someone mentioned Stevie Ray, right? Mark n.p. Now that it just hit me, I think I'll put in JB's "Guit With It." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:48:28 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: 20/20 on tori and STORYTELLERS! the 20/20 thing was very well done, i thought... tori will be on storytellers this week! yay! :) - -jessica http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:58:30 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: re : guitarists It's hard to figure out what a good guitarist is, I think, especially with all the diverse styles and genres that guitarists play in. There are so many great jazz and blues and funk and metal and rock and prog and acoustic and classical-style and world, etc. guitarists that everyone can name, and then there are thousands more who you just don't know about. If you all could come to my school and check out all the guitarists here (i think that there are close to 1000 guitar principals at berklee, out of 3000 students), you'd be as amazed as i am to see so much talent that could blow anyone away. It's humbling to say the least :) I'll stick to my little ol' cello, thank you very much (I believe that there are only 8 cellists here). About Ani DiFranco's finger wailings...I'm pretty sure that she attaches press-on nails to her fingers and reinforces them with black electrical tape, and these are the "picks" that she uses to get her most distinctive sound. Russell Malone, who's currently touring with Diana Krall, and who has played with Harry Connick Jr., is IMHO, a phenomenal guitarist...he can shift his styles from jazz to blues to funk and maintain the integrity of the song...his solos and improvisations make so much sense (i hate solos that go out of control and into wankerdom) and he makes it all look way too easy while he's obviously having a great time. Talla, the flamenco guitarist who plays with Joe Ely, is pretty good, although he can be kinda sloppy at times... I still don't know what to think of Johnny Lang. Kid learns how to be a guitar whiz by listening to blues cds and mimicking them? Eddie Van Halen? BB King? Leo Kottke? Michael Hedges? grr...this thread has got my brain working, and i resent that. :) Paul "wah wah pedal" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:13:45 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: Bass Guitarists , and a question about live music at home... Ellen notes: >Laura Love needs to be on a list of excellent female bass guitarists. Aimee Mann's work with 'til tuesday was also very solid. Bill Mazur's list of great bassists was a near perfect match for my own. These have been fun threads! Now I am wondering: How many ectophiles are musicians? How many have at least quasi-regular access to live music in their own home? Since I've begun jamming regularly I'm finding more enjoyment in listening to recorded music as well. Just wondering how many others here are blessed with regular live music at home? Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:10:05 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Guitarists Hi! Ellen responded: >Bonnie Raitt? That woman can do things with a slide that shouldn't be physically possible. :) And besides, she's the one who gave Bela Fleck the slide he uses with his electric banjo, so that's got to count for something. ;> Bill Mazur added: >Sarah McLachlan is another female artist that comes to mind who uses >alternate tunings to good effect. I know that she sites Joni Mitchell as >an influence. Maybe she learned these tricks from her. I agree that she uses some interesting tunings, but I hope you weren't trying to include her on a "great guitarists" list. She's good, make no mistake, but I wouldn't ever call her "great". I always got the impression while seeing her perform that she could slip up majorly at any time, and I always ended up almost cringing inwardly, waiting for it. >I really think that Happy is a great guitarist. I also wouldn't say that, either. Again, she's quite good (and really, who the hell am I to even think I can be a judge, I couldn't play the guitar if my life depended on it :), but I think there's that spark missing that would cross the line into "great". To me, a great guitarist has to leave me breathless, going "how did s/he DO that?!?", amazed by how effortless it all seems. >There are definitely a few female artists that play piano and/or other >keyboards that are known for their instrumental prowess as well. Tori >immediately comes to mind. She is an amazing piano and keyboard >(harpsichord, mellotron) player. Her playing is so rhythmic and melodic. >She can really solo too. Tori is one of the greatest pianists ever, in my book (and I played piano so I think I can at least say that :). When she plays, she becomes part of the instrument, and the music just flows from her - it's almost palpable. It's not just the teechnical prowess she displays (and she does that in spades), but the feeling and emotion she puts through in her playing that just plain blows me away. (I'm watching her Sessions performance right now, so I'm experiencing this feeling firsthand as I type. :) Back to guitarists: I haven't seen Chris Cunningham listed ... but he's not all that well-known outside of NYC circles I guess, unless you've seen him with Susan McKeown or Katell Keineg. He's really, really good. On to bassists: Gail Ann Dorsey gets my vote for best chyck bassist I've ever seen. Plus she's just so damn cool. :) Laura Love is also pretty good, but she doesn't show her cops as often as she used to. Hands-down the best human bassist I've ever seen is Victor Lamont Wooten. He's a showoff, sure, but he's got the goods to back up the splash. Stunning. Dave Chalfant of The Nields wins runner-up. It's hard to believe he really hasn't been playing the bass guitar that long, in the grand scheme of things. He also gets extra points for actually using the 5th string on his 5-string bass. :) That's enough on this I think. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #56 *************************