From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #54 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 05 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: Folk Alliance [Carolyn Andre ] Random Questions ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] RE: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: the nudes (was Cordelia's Dad and Friends info) [Paul Kim ] Guitar/Blegvad/Slean ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: Saturday Night Live tonight [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! ["Tom Ditto" ] Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) [Jack Sutton ] guitarist "with feeling" thread [Dave Williamson ] Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) [Birdie ] Re: Guitar/Blegvad/Slean ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] For trade/sale [Bill ] Kudos ["Bill" ] Altazor ["Bill" ] $10 off CDNOW [enya7@iname.com] RE: the nudes (was Cordelia's Dad and Friends info) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Altazor [Neile Graham ] Jewelie Jewel [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) [Bill Mazur ] Re: Guitarists ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Re: Guitarists [Valerie Kraemer ] Re: Guitarists [meredith ] Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Guitarists ["Mickey Ferguson" ] Re: Guitarists [Neile Graham ] Re: Guitarists ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Guitarists ["" ] Female Guitarists/Musicians (Was: Re: Guitarists) [Bill Mazur ] Re: Guitarists [Sherlyn Koo ] Bass Guitarists (Was: Re: Guitarists) [Bill Mazur ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:44:23 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: re: Folk Alliance Neal asked: >Does anyone know about Folk Alliance? It seems to be a big conference, and >from past stories, I know that musicians will hang out and play with each >other all night. They had it in DC one year, but there didn't seem to be >any advertised events in relation to it. The same seems to be happening >here. Aside from this concert, the 3-day weekend seems to be a mystery to >me. Do you have to buy some sort of exhorbitant workshop pass to do >things? Are there things worth doing? well, its a kind of "industry conference" for folk music, dance, etc. Its just that the 'product' of the industry is a bit more interesting than chemicals or finance ... about tied with those consumer electronic shows ... Anyhow, as such there *is* a registration fee, differentiated between member/nonmember. After 'intending' to go the last couple of years & not making it, I am registered this year. So can't offer advice based on experience; just what others have used to try & get me there . the two evening concerts are open to the public; conference prices were $20 for the Wednesday nite one & $9 for the Sunday nite (Cordelia's dad, etc.) one. I doubt one can get into the formal showcases without membership badges, but would think it might be possible to sneak into the informal / late nite / guerilla ones. Altho they're supposed to be confined to 'music only' hotel floors - and hence theoretically member-enforceable - I doubt that is done at 1 a.m ! two sources: the Folk Alliance / conference stuff: http://www.folk.org/conference/confinfo.html an informal spreadsheet with the various showcases: http://www.dc.net/vheyman Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:13:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Random Questions Odds are that if anyone on the planet knows the answers to these, they'll be on ecto :-) Is there a way to convert RealAudio files to MP3 on Win9x or Linux? ...and... How does one file albums by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan alphabetically. A? F? K? N? Z? Thanks for any enlightenment... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:19:26 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) Well, yes, I like Ade, not to slight him and his work with Crimso and solo, I have many of his discs too. But for purposes of a meaningful and not unlimited discussion, one has to draw the line somewhere... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Birdie Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 4:54 PM To: foghornj@earthlink.net Cc: ecto Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) What?! No Adrian Belew???? Birdie Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > * My favorites are Andy Latimer, David Gilmour, Steve Hackett, Steve > Rothery, Carlos Santana and Eric Clapton. > > This is a good list. I'd also throw in a couple of my other faves, Mike > Oldfield, Phil Manzanera, Zappa... Robert Fripp of course, although I can > understand how that might be an acquired taste. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:43:01 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) theres nothing wrong with jeff beck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:49:44 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Who is peter Blegvad? Peter Blegvad is perhaps (read: at least to me) 1/3 of Slapp Happy, a British odd-pop band consisting of Peter, Dagmar Krause and Anthony Moore. Slapp Happy did two somewhat well known albums (among fans of British import music in the '70s), an eponymous 1st album and a 2nd called Desperate Straits. The band merged with '70s jazz rock innovators Henry Cow for a couple albums in the late 70s. Various permutations of this collective released albums here and there throughout the 80's and even the 90's. See also Fred Frith, John Greaves, Chris Cutler, et al. Generally quirky I think would be an apt description for the newcomer to his music. In early 1998 the aforementioned Slapp Happy trio reformed and produced Ça Va (that's a french C with the tail if you don't see it right on your computer, looks like Ca Va) which unfortunately looks like it pretty much went out of print the same year it was released. In my opinion it is a very enjoyable album. Grab it if you can. The first Henry Cow album has recently been re-released on CD with its original mastering. They have corrected the pun with the title - it was originally known as "Legend", but the real name was "Leg End" - hence the sock on the cover of most of their early albums. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************************* Doug Burks (dbx@aa.net) ************************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:30:10 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: Re: the nudes (was Cordelia's Dad and Friends info) At 10:44 PM 2/13/99 -0700, neal c wrote: >This show is a Folk Alliance showcase. It's a 4 hour concert (at least - >that's what it says in the ads), featuring Cordelia's Dog (as I still like >to think of them), Kalle Almlof, Bjorn Stabi, Marc Smith, The Mollys and >The Nudes. Hey...I thought the Nudes had broken up a while ago? Are they back together again? Is the cellist, Stephanie Winters, no longer touring with Dar? Paul "the curious little monkey" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: Saturday Night Live tonight Anyone catch Saturday Night Live tonight? There was a very naughty, outlandish cartoon short featuring Jewel. I won't get into the details here, but it involved Jewel's horse, a tiger attack, and Joni Mitchell. It wasn't entirely fair, but it sure was hilarious for this ex-Jewel fan, who still is vehemently holding onto the notion somewhere inside her still lives a great songwriter and vibrant performer, even after "Hands" and the rest of Spirit. After all, I've heard "Love me, just leave me alone", "Sometimes it be that way" and "Carnivore". I just wish she put them on her album. - -- Mark A. Miazga 580 West Akers Hall miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI 48825 Resident Assistant, 5W Akers Hall (517) 353-3321 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Michigan State University Program Coordinator, Common Grounds Coffeehouse www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "I do not agree with a word you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire "The love of meat prevents any real change." -Douglas Coupland "The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men." - -Alice Walker "No matter how naive or foolish it may seem, I'll keep on dreaming..." - -Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:30:26 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) birdie comments: <> I had lunch with Adrian once. Does that count? And by the way, he's a very nice, humble sort of guy. He also gets my vote for one of the guitar good guys. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Lost girls Hello.. Just read in the NME that Patrcik Fitzgerlad of Kitchens of Dictinction has formed a new group called Lost Girls with Heidi Berry. Anybody knwo any more? Also has anyone heard Phranc's new album Milkman? Is it any good? Anna Maria _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Guitar/Blegvad/Slean If I get started on favorite guitarists we'll be here for a week. For pure emotive guitar playing nobody's ever topped Neil Young for me. And Robert Fripp is one of my culture heroes. And Jimi Hendrix was easily the best ever. I hope all you Phil Manzanera fans know about Quiet Sun's =Mainstream=. Quiet Sun was the avant-jazzrock band Manzanera was in before Roxy Music, and my impression is that he reconvened Quiet Sun for =Diamond Head= (that's that particular configuration on "East of Echo") and then, what the hell, goofed around in the studio a while and produced this other album. Basically, imagine a whole album that sounds like "East of Echo" (rather than the eclectic rest of =Diamond Head=). Heavily-treated (by Eno) electric guitar, keyboards, bass, and drums, playing dark, heavy, and complex. One of my all-time favorite albums. Hard to find now, I'm afraid--the only CD version is Japanese and expensive. I see LPs around now and again. The short version of Peter Blegvad: started with a group called Slapp Happy in the mid-70s with singer Dagmar Krause and bassist/pianist Anthony Moore (Blegvad plays guitar). They did an album in tandem with European prog-rock masters Henry Cow, after which there was some personnel shuffling (Dagmar ended up in Henry Cow and then in Art Bears with Fred Frith and Chris Cutler from same). Blegvad has done a series of solo albums since the 80s of really clever (sometimes brilliant) rock art songs, as well as playing with Golden Palominos at least once. I'd particularly recommend his album from a few years ago called =Just Woke Up=. I've seen him do a few live shows and really enjoyed them a lot. He writes the kind of songs that Syd Straw sings (she sang a few with him one time I saw him). (Wonder which one she did the other night?) If it was my rather florid review of Sarah Slean's =Universe= someone was kind enough to mention above, I'd be glad to e-mail it to anyone who asks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:31:08 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live tonight miazgama@pilot.msu.edu > It wasn't entirely > fair, but it sure was hilarious for this ex-Jewel fan, who still is > vehemently > holding onto the notion somewhere inside her still lives a great > songwriter and vibrant performer, even after "Hands" and the rest of Spirit. and the other night on the show Jesse, she was in Diago's apartment and picked up a Jewel cd and said "Jewel...yucch". :) hehee. :) Jessica, who likes "sometimes it be that way" and "carnivore" too http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:10:37 -0500 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: Re: Falwell outs Tinky Winky!! DeWey Ditto loves Teletubbies and so do his parents. Mrs. Ditto recently = went to http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/teletubbies/ and accessed the Teletubbie Playground, a series of excellent Shockwave = games.=20 And there was Satan.=20 Yes, as you push Po along on his scooter he recites, "Faggot! Faggot!"=20 This is the most blatant corruption of our youth since John Lennon = started singing backwards! Boycott Disney... Tom ditto@taconic.net "Do you copy? Over..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:32:30 -0500 From: Mary Shue Subject: Re: Peter Blegvad >Syd Straw closed the round and the night with a Peter Blegvad (whose name, >she stated, is Dutch for "stream of bleach" ;>) song, accompanied only by Hmmm. I have an old Peter Blegvad album called Knights Like This (1985). I haven't listened to it in ages but maybe I'll give it a spin now that his name came up and get back with you. Who IS Peter Blegvad? I've seen his name a few times, and don't know a thing about him. He does a song on the Richard Thompson cover album that I bought today (and haven't listened to yet). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:29:49 From: Jack Sutton Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) At 02:43 AM 2/14/99 EST, you wrote: >theres nothing wrong with jeff beck > > my list includes from the acoustic side: Richard Thompson Adrean Legg Rory Block John Hammond Jorma Kaukonen Martin Simpson Leo Kottke Jack sutton Harmony ridge Music www.hrmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:39:09 -0800 From: Dave Williamson Subject: guitarist "with feeling" thread I'll just be a damn Canuck nationalist and put in my votes for Neil Young, Bruce Cockburn and Robbie Robertson. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:09:12 +0000 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) Have to dash in and add the late great Jimmy Spheeris to this list. Birdie Jack Sutton wrote: > my list includes from the acoustic side: > > Richard Thompson > Adrean Legg > Rory Block > John Hammond > Jorma Kaukonen > Martin Simpson > Leo Kottke > > Jack sutton > Harmony ridge Music > www.hrmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:28:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Guitar/Blegvad/Slean On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, Donald G. Keller wrote: > Quiet Sun was the avant-jazzrock band Manzanera was in before Roxy Music, > and my impression is that he reconvened Quiet Sun for =Diamond Head= > (that's that particular configuration on "East of Echo") and then, what > the hell, goofed around in the studio a while and produced this other > album. Basically, imagine a whole album that sounds like "East of Echo" > (rather than the eclectic rest of =Diamond Head=). Heavily-treated (by > Eno) electric guitar, keyboards, bass, and drums, playing dark, heavy, > and complex. One of my all-time favorite albums. Hard to find now, I'm > afraid--the only CD version is Japanese and expensive. I see LPs around > now and again. More available, and as good though somewhat different, is the "801 Live" album, one of only two live albums that I know of featuring Eno. Good atmospheric instrumentals, hard rocking songs, and a couple of quite surprising covers ("Tomorrow Never Knows" and "You Really Got Me"). Quiet Sun also had one of my favorite song titles ever: "Mummy was an Asteroid, Daddy was a Small, Non-Stick Kitchen Utensil." - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: For trade/sale I have posted some discs for trade/sale at: http://www.wagill.com/tradingpost/ecto/ - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:24:50 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: Kudos I was doing some browsing in the Ectophiles' Guide, and must once again say what a fine job Neile and crew have done. Thanks! - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:55:16 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: Altazor After having read about it on The Ectophiles' Guide, I am interested in getting a copy of Altazor's (the band) _Altazor_ album. Searches on the Web were not too successful regarding "Altazor" or "Redwood Records". Any info would be greatly appreciated; thanks. - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: enya7@iname.com Subject: $10 off CDNOW If you want a $10 off CDNOW certificate, go to: http://www.geocities.com/heartland/8920 Also Happy Valentine's Day greeting! thanx - --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:56:59 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: the nudes (was Cordelia's Dad and Friends info) The Nudes announced their intent to stop recording and performing sometime in the spring of '99. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kim Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:30 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: the nudes (was Cordelia's Dad and Friends info) At 10:44 PM 2/13/99 -0700, neal c wrote: >This show is a Folk Alliance showcase. It's a 4 hour concert (at least - >that's what it says in the ads), featuring Cordelia's Dog (as I still like >to think of them), Kalle Almlof, Bjorn Stabi, Marc Smith, The Mollys and >The Nudes. Hey...I thought the Nudes had broken up a while ago? Are they back together again? Is the cellist, Stephanie Winters, no longer touring with Dar? Paul "the curious little monkey" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:27:23 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Altazor Sorry, Bill, it doesn't look good. All I could find was a Spanish language record store that listed them, but unfortunately only as "out of stock". Their label is/was in Emeryville, California, so maybe some Californian ectophiles could check around their local used disc stores for you. I can't remember where I found my copy of their first one--Portland Oregon, I think, but that was several years ago. - --Neile At 12:55 PM -0800 2/14/99, Bill wrote: >After having read about it on The Ectophiles' Guide, I am interested in >getting a copy of Altazor's (the band) _Altazor_ album. > >Searches on the Web were not too successful regarding "Altazor" or >"Redwood Records". > >Any info would be greatly appreciated; thanks. > >- Bill. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:37:01 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: Jewelie Jewel miazgama@pilot.msu.edu sez: >...it sure was hilarious for this ex-Jewel fan, who still is vehemently >holding on to the notion somewhere inside her still lives a great >songwriter and vibrant performer, even after "Hands" and the rest of >Spirit. I'm not disillusioned, but I must say _Spirit_ was a major, major disappointment. In a way, how could it not be? Think back to just how much anticipation had built up around it. But the biggest thing wrong with it was that it was just so stinkin' overproduced. Face it, she's no longer the ragged, underproduced, unpolished, no-apartment-havin' diamond in the rough (heck, she's on the cover of _Vogue_ and _Rolling Stain_), she's now _fully_ polished, and there goes most of her appeal. I'm not saying success has spoiled her; overpolishing has. Next time, just take her to Rick Rubin's living room and let him record her on a TEAC. One thing's for sure, if _Spirit_ had come out first, it wouldn't have sold 10 million copies. Ever true to my indy roots, Scott Tissue El Cajon CA live on-line: KCR-FM (killer chick rock) http://kcr.sdsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:28:31 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) Hello Everyone, Wow! I didn't anticipate the reaction to my "favorite guitarist" comments in the IQ post. Everyone has mentioned some truly great guitarists. I really liked what Lisa had to say: "Every time I hear those four chiming notes in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", I think of how much more that says than any 30 note-per-second, weedly-wee guitar solo from the latest guitarist flavour of the month." All of the guitarists mentioned in this "favorite guitarists" thread are unique, honest and gifted players. They definitely aren't "weedly-wee flavour of the month" types. They all happen to be guitarists whose work that I listen to and admire. Of the guitarists that were mentioned in this thread, I have put them in the order of importance to me personally: Robert Fripp Jimi Hendrix Jeff Beck Mike Oldfield Phil Manzanera Richard Thompson Neil Young Jorma Kaukonen Frank Zappa Robbie Robertson Adrian Belew These guitarists I have heard of before, but I am not very familiar with their work, if at all. I will have to find out more about them: Jimmy Spheeris Peter Blegvad Adrean Legg Martin Simpson Rory Block Leo Kottke (I actually saw him perform once many years ago and he was fabulous. He was the opening act.) John Hammond Bruce Cockburn (I vaguely remember him from an MTV video for his song "If I Had Rocket Launcher".) I thought that I would add a few dozen more guitarists to the list. Their artistry and beautiful playing has moved me in way or another. I am sure that many of these artists are favorites with other Ectophiles. I have broken them down by genre: Rock: George Harrison Lindsey Buckingham Justin Hayward The Edge Brian May Andy Summers Steven Stills Nancy Wilson Prince Blues/Blues Rock: Mike Bloomfield B.B. King Jimmy Page (He fits into a number of catagories. I love his acoustic guitar work the best.) Stevie Ray Vaughan Peter Green Danny Kirwin Jeremy Spenser Progressive Rock: Steve Howe (I was really surprised that no one mentioned Steve) Peter Banks Steve Hillage Mike Holmes (IQ) Martin Barre Jean-Luc Payssan (Minimum Vital) Nick Barrett (Pendragon) Roine Stolt (Kaipa, The Flower Kings) Kevin Bartlett Bon Lozaga Doug Ott (Enchant) Jazz/Jazz Rock: Wes Montgomery Pat Metheny Larry Carleton Joaquin Lievano Folk/Celtic: John Renbourn Bert Jansch Joni Mitchell Sorry Fog, I guess I just wasn't able to follow your advice: "But for purposes of a meaningful and not unlimited discussion, one has to draw the line somewhere". ;-) Take care everyone and Happy Valentine's Day to you all!!! Bill http://www.kmichaels.com n.p. Pierre Moerlen's Gong _Time Is The Key_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:47:13 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: Guitarists Many great guitarists mentioned, chiming in with some favorites Mark Knopfler Jim Hall Randy California Kevin Bartlett Don Roeser aka Buck Dharma Carlos Santana Steve Howe Michael Gurley (of dada) Clapton, Beck, Page et al Les Paul Howard Roberts Barney Kessel Jerry Garcia (maybe it was the acid, but hey...) Whoever the guy was from Blue Cheer (Still there...) John Cippolina (Quicksilver, flashing, man...) and there are many more! Gotta stop somewhere, besides the walls are beginning to melt. Bob Lovejoy, wondering when the bassists thread will come up... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:08:19 -0500 From: Valerie Kraemer Subject: Re: Guitarists Hey, I'm surprised I haven't heard Roy Harper mentioned. Or is he considered less of a guitarist and more of a, I don't know, madman perhaps. I think his guitar sounds are unique, however. I think it's interesting looking at the lists of ace guitarists that have been posted that there aren't any women mentioned (Ecto being a very female friendly place, of course). No names come to my mind immediately either. At least not women who are first and foremost known for their guitar work. - --Valerie Richardson (formerly Valerie Kraemer) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:37:45 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Guitarists Hi! I must admit to pretty much just skimming through this thread so far, but Valerie's response caught my attention. >I think it's interesting looking at the lists of ace guitarists that >have been posted that there aren't any women mentioned (Ecto being a >very female friendly place, of course). No names come to my mind >immediately either. At least not women who are first and foremost known >for their guitar work. I think there are many, many amazing female guitarists out there ... but you're right, not too many who are first and foremost known for their guitar work. I'd say that Patty Larkin could fall into that category, though. Other great women guitarists (in no particular order): - -- Ani DiFranco - -- Kristen Hersh - -- Susan Werner - -- Christine Lavin - -- Pamela Means - -- Joni Mitchell - -- Janis Ian - -- Bonnie Raitt I guess it's telling that this thread has rattled off screens upon screens of great male guitarists, but i just had to rack my brains for ten minutes and ask woj's help to come up with just these 9 names. Can anyone else add to the list? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:49:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Guitarists (was Re: IQ's Ever) A few favorite guitarists that I don't think I've seen listed: Pete Cosey (who did my favorite guitar solo of all time, about half way through the second disc of Miles Davis's "Pangaea") Eddie Hazel (of P-Funk) James Blood Ulmer Bern Nix - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:03:03 +0000 From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Guitarists Valerie Kraemer wrote: > > I think it's interesting looking at the lists of ace guitarists that > have been posted that there aren't any women mentioned (Ecto being a > very female friendly place, of course). No names come to my mind > immediately either. At least not women who are first and foremost known > for their guitar work. Ellen McIlwaine comes to my mind immediately. And Meredith's post regarding Janis Ian makes me mention her. I remember an E-town taping (I'm currently missing the Taj Mahal taping tonight due to my nasty cold) a couple of years ago where she played an amazing solo, broken string and all. She didn't let the broken string stop her for a second. Bonnie Raitt? Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:57:54 -0600 From: "Mickey Ferguson" Subject: Re: Guitarists Valerie Kraemer said >Hey, I'm surprised I haven't heard Roy Harper mentioned. Or is he >considered less of a guitarist and more of a, I don't know, madman >perhaps. I think his guitar sounds are unique, however. I agree with you, completely! I consider Roy Harper an incredible guitarist, in songs like "Another Day", "One Man Rock & Roll Band", he is able to orchestrate an extended artistic vision with only six strings and ten fingers. However, I know from friends who have spoken with Roy, and they tell me he considers himself more of a poet than a musician. His son, Nick Harper, has inherited, and some might say, exceeded his father's prowess on the guitar. Thanks for giving me a chance to share, and to those of you who might be interested in more, may I direct you to: http://www.steamradio.com/stormcock Just to make this post (one of my first) more on-topic, I would like to second the list that meredith has just posted. Especially in regards to Ani DiFranco. I remember seeing her quite often back in the 80's. She made that lowly instrument rock the rafters of the Chicago House! ;-) Hey! What about Chrissie Hynde? - ---Mickey F. Austin TX USA "...(but I've known the world, it's all happened before, why do I kid myself with these artificial newnesses)" ---Jack Kerouac, Visions of Cody ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:13:36 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Guitarists Susan James came to mind immediately when this thread started. - --Neile n.p. Pepper Acton's live tape - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Guitarists On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, meredith wrote: > I guess it's telling that this thread has rattled off screens upon screens > of great male guitarists, but i just had to rack my brains for ten minutes > and ask woj's help to come up with just these 9 names. Can anyone else add > to the list? The only additional ones who come to mind are Sue Foley and Jennifer Batten. And Wendy or Lisa -- I can never remember which one's which. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:20:53 -0600 From: "" Subject: Re: Guitarists Hello, meredith wrote: > I think there are many, many amazing female guitarists out there ... but > you're right, not too many who are first and foremost known for their > guitar work. I'd say that Patty Larkin could fall into that category, though. > > Other great women guitarists (in no particular order): > Certainly Amy Ray and Emily Saliers, and although I've seen IG a million times in concert, I can't really remember which one is stronger, but I'm leaning toward Emily. Another one is Michelle Shocked, whose guitar work has grown tremendously since "Texas Camfire Tapes." And maybe Melissa Etheridge. In a sort-of related category: Me'Shell NdegeOcello is probably the best female bassist I've heard/seen. Runner up: Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blonde. Mark n.p. Jeff Buckley _Grace_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:02:10 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Female Guitarists/Musicians (Was: Re: Guitarists) Valerie Kraemer wrote: > > Hey, I'm surprised I haven't heard Roy Harper mentioned. Or is he > considered less of a guitarist and more of a, I don't know, madman > perhaps. I think his guitar sounds are unique, however. > > I think it's interesting looking at the lists of ace guitarists that > have been posted that there aren't any women mentioned (Ecto being a > very female friendly place, of course). No names come to my mind > immediately either. At least not women who are first and foremost known > for their guitar work. > > --Valerie Richardson (formerly Valerie Kraemer) Valerie, Actually I did mention two female guitarists, Joni Mitchell and Nancy Wilson. Even though Joni is primarily known for her singing and songwriting, I chose her because she is a very inventive guitarist. She makes wonderful use of alternate tunings in her music. She does some very interesting and intricate finger picking on some of her songs. She also explores interesting harmonic territory on her jazzier outings. Sarah McLachlan is another female artist that comes to mind who uses alternate tunings to good effect. I know that she sites Joni Mitchell as an influence. Maybe she learned these tricks from her. Nancy is a very versatile and incredibly capable guitarist. She has always really brought a lot to the table as the guitarist within Heart. For example, her acoustic guitar intro to "Crazy On You" is outstanding and, I believe, quite inventive. I really love her work on all of the Heart recordings. There are many wonderful female artists that play the guitar well. However, as you stated Valerie, these artists are known much more for their singing and songwriting. Their guitar playing is usually more straight forward strumming or finger picking. Therefore, it doesn't get as much attention. Also, these artists may not necessarily explore other aspects of the instrument. Most of the male guitarists that are mentioned are well known for their masterful soloing as well as their other playing attributes. Not many female guitarists play solos. I really think that Happy is a great guitarist. She plays both 6 and 12 string acoustic guitar, as well as classical nylon string guitar. She does some really nice work on classical guitar. I love her classical guitar solo on "The Chariot". She also uses processing effects in an interesting way throughout the songs on "The Keep" and on many of her other recordings. Most female artists that play acoustic guitar don't use effects processing like chorus and DDL echo on their guitars. I think that Happy is unique in doing that. There are definitely a few female artists that play piano and/or other keyboards that are known for their instrumental prowess as well. Tori immediately comes to mind. She is an amazing piano and keyboard (harpsichord, mellotron) player. Her playing is so rhythmic and melodic. She can really solo too. Well, that's it for now... Bill http://www.kmichaels.com n.p. Joni Mitchell _The Hissing Of Summer Lawns_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:09:31 +0000 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Guitarists Marcella Detroit (Shakespears Sister- Solo - Eric Clapton) Nancy Wilson (Heart) Mary Osbourne (Jazz player) Tina Marie Wendy (of Wendy & Lisa) Chrissie Hynde Joan Armatrading There's more... Birdie meredith wrote: Other great women guitarists (in no particular order): > > -- Ani DiFranco > -- Kristen Hersh > -- Susan Werner > -- Christine Lavin > -- Pamela Means > -- Joni Mitchell > -- Janis Ian > -- Bonnie Raitt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:08:31 +1100 (EST) From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: Guitarists Hey folks, Mark said: > Certainly Amy Ray and Emily Saliers, and although I've seen IG a million times in > concert, I can't really remember which one is stronger, but I'm leaning toward > Emily. Another one is Michelle Shocked, whose guitar work has grown tremendously Emily it is... To add to the list of great guy guitarists, there's Australian blues/folk/rock god dude, Jeff Lang and Josh Cunningham of Australian band The Waifs... :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "If I am not who you thought I was, Well hello, it's nice to meet you..." - Melissa Ferrick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:49:34 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Bass Guitarists (Was: Re: Guitarists) Robert Lovejoy wrote: > > Many great guitarists mentioned, chiming in with some favorites > > Mark Knopfler > Jim Hall > Randy California > Kevin Bartlett > Don Roeser aka Buck Dharma > Carlos Santana > Steve Howe > Michael Gurley (of dada) > Clapton, Beck, Page et al > Les Paul > Howard Roberts > Barney Kessel > Jerry Garcia (maybe it was the acid, but hey...) > Whoever the guy was from Blue Cheer (Still there...) > John Cippolina (Quicksilver, flashing, man...) > > and there are many more! Gotta stop somewhere, besides the walls are > beginning to melt. > > Bob Lovejoy, wondering when the bassists thread will come up... Bob, OK I'll bite... ;-) I will be good this time and keep it to only ten of my favorite bass players: 1) Chris Squire - Melodic and inventive. A lead guitarist on bass. I believe that most bass players would agree that Chris brought bass playing to a new level. 2) John Jowitt - See Chris Squire. Plus John can really groove as well. 3) Sting - I love Sting's playing. He was the wunderkind that could keep up with those older jazz cats. He was at the top of his game with the Police and got even better when he went solo. Even though they fought like cats and dogs, Sting and Stewart Copeland were an awesome rhythm section. 4) Paul McCartney - Very melodic. He always plays the perfect bass lines to fit the song. 5) John Entwistle - Powerful, percussive playing that is always melodic as well. 6) Jack Bruce - When I was a teenager, Jack was THE man of bass guitar. 7) Tony Levin - Versatile and he can also really groove. I also love his Stick playing. 8) Jaco Pastorius - There are a number of great jazz fusion bass players that I could mention. Jaco is my personal favorite. He is inventive, dynamic and unique. 9) Richard Sinclair - I love his unique tone. Another melodic and rhythmic player that can groove (even in odd time signatures). 10) Pete Trewavas - Pete is another very melodic player that plays beautiful bass lines that perfectly suit the mood of the music. There you go Bob and the rest of you out there in Ectoland. With love and affection, Bill ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #54 *************************