From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #48 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 05 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: DIVX = Greed [James Dixon ] Re: DIVX = Greed [Ulrich Grepel ] Re: April March [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: DIVX = Greed or just an experiment........... [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: the Clique [J Wermont ] Re: the Clique ["Xenu's Sister" ] Iva Bittova [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" [Jeffrey Burka ] Suzanne Vega book tour [Valerie Nozick ] Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" [Patrick Moseley ] Re: MWABT sighting [Billi Mazur ] 1 hit wonders (Re: the Clique) [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] the Clique + trivia question [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Re: the Clique + trivia question ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: the Clique + trivia question [Elephant Gerald ] April March [julesette ] Fwd: Re: the Clique + trivia question [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:38:42 -0500 From: James Dixon Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed Some of this is rather tongue-in-cheek, I'm up waay past my bedtime, and I'm sleepy. So be not offended. Warning. Contains Length. Might even get a little preachy at times. Feel free to delete this rather badly off-topic message; I'm not planning to make a habit of this. Xenu's Sister wrote: > At 12:17 AM 2/8/99 -0500, James wrote: > >A DIVX disc costs about $4.50. For this I get to watch a movie that > >I've never seen before for $4.50 - a movie which I might not like or > >want to watch ever again. If I got that movie on DVD, I'd pay full > >price, usually well over $20.00. I just got a _Tomorrow Never Dies_ > >special edition DVD for $30.00, and I probably won't watch it 5 more > >times in my life. Terminator 2, Judgement Day sells for $31.00 at > the > >local Media Play. > > More and more outlets are renting DVDs nowadays. We live in a very > ethnic (as opposed to yuppified) neighborhood, and the small shop down > > the street rents DVDs. I'm not sure about Blockbuster, but I know that > > Hollywood Video rents DVDs, $3.50 for a 5-day rental. There's no > "either/or" DIVX or full-price DVDs here. DIVX is *not* a better > alternative to renting DVDs. It's worse in every way. It's not better for everybody, but it has its place, and deserves a fair shake. If Hollywood Video rents DVDs for 5 days for $3.50, then that's a pretty good deal, and represents pretty effective competition to DIVX. Both vendors can sink or swim based on the merits of their products to the consumers who rent or purchase their products. > Btw, just out of curiousity, what do you do with those DIVX films you > "buy" then decide you never want to watch again? Do they take up > room on your shelf or do you throw them away? You can't give them > away. You can't return them. You can't sell them. What do you do > with them? I put them on a shelf in a closet in my house, along with all those CDs I'll probably never listen to again and the DVDs I'll probably never watch again. I *can* transfer the disc to someone else, then notify DIVX (1-800 number) that I no longer own the disc, then as soon as its new owner pops it into a his or her player, they'll get a bill from DIVX for $3.50 or so. The new owner can then purchase the unlimited play option. Remember, the first $3.50 of the $4.50 I pay for the disc is for the initial 2-day viewing period, meaning that I paid a dollar for the disc media. So maybe I sell the disc to a second party for a buck. I don't think that the DIVX police are going to chase after me for it. > >People complain about hooking up a phone line to the player. No > >problem. I've had a phone line hooked to my satellite receiver for > >pay-per-view for years. It's not a problem. It's part of the game. > It bothers me. I don't want to play the corporate game. (At second reading the following paragraph looks a little inflammatory. This wasn't my intention, but I'm too tired to re-write it. Apologies if it seems confrontational or condescending. Tongue-in-cheek.) What is it that you fear from corporations? They're not out to get you - - they aren't all Exxon-Valdez evil purpetrators of mass destruction. Their agenda is to produce a product and woo you into purchasing that product. It's called Capitalism, and it's the greatest thing since store-bought light bread. Our lives are INFINITELY better because there are multitudinous (but evil!) corporations full of evil people inventing really evil stuff, like DVD players, hot water heaters, washing machines, antiseptics, heart-lung machines, contact lenses, magnetic resonance imaging machines... Mom & Pop aren't doing this. Corporations are. Of course, they're also inventing chicken factories & pork factories, dumping tons of crap into the water supply and antibiotics into the consumers who eat the chicken & pig products they manufacture. But there are ways of dealing with these problems (whole 'nuther thread...), and killing the corporations isn't the answer. Don' get me *started* on the insurance biz... > We have a > DSS but we never get pay-per-view movies and so don't have it > hooked up to the phone line. Then you're missing-out on all those way cool $29 pro wrestling PPV events! > >People complain that the DIVX folks will know which DIVX discs you > watch > >when you watch them. That is true, but not on a realtime basis. The > > >player calls-in its report periodically, perhaps daily, I don't > know. I > >don't care. It's part of the game. > > I care. I don't want to play the corporate game. The thought that > anyone > outside my home knows what I watched when creeps me out, no matter > if it's in "realtime" or not. I used to think that way too, but then I realized that there are a baZILLion people in this world about whom to collect data, and 2 or 3 percent of them are a lot like me, which is about 10^n people. I don't really lose anything because DIVX has records about which discs I watch for the purposes of managing their billing database, or maybe marketing products to me in which they think I might be interested. No big deal. > >People complain that the DIVX folks will know which DVDs & CDs you > >play. Ok, fine. I don't care. > > I care. I care a *LOT*. Movies, but especially CDs. I can't even > imagine > why someone wouldn't care about something like that. Do you not value > any sort of privacy in your music and movie choices? Sure I do, but the remedy here isn't to kill the technology; it's to legislate rules under which the information can be collected, to include my right to instruct DIVX *NOT* to collect that information, and/or instruct them not to make that information available to third parties. It's really not their concern which DVDs I watch or which CDs I play. Congressional legislation, if necessary, can bring an abrupt end to any such misuse of the technology. I kind of wonder, though. If DIVX data indicated that people liked a lot of music that they're hearing on the radio, might radio listen? Wouldn't this be good? Don' get me started on the radio biz... > Have you ever heard of used CD stores? Ever heard of MP3s? Yeah, but my CD collection is a collection. I do go back and listen to *some* of the CDs from time to time. I probably have only 100 or so CDs which I truly can't stand. Maybe someday I'll bother to gather them up and take them to a used CD store. As for MP3s, I can't play these in my car. I spend at least a couple of hours per day in travel to & from work, and to various worksites. I usually listen to CDs during while I drive. > >A bad side to DIVX: the DIVX discs which I have seen don't seem to > >support subtitles or multiple-language audio tracks. But they do > tend > >to have the Dolby Digital 5.1 system as the 1 audio track they do > have, > >and they sound just fine in normal stereo mode, too. What do you > want > >for $4.50? > > I *want* the extras like widescreen, audio commentary, trailers, > deleted > scenes, production notes, whatever they offer. DIVX doesn't offer any > of these things and never will, because they only want your bucks. > They > don't care about films. They're not movie lovers. If consumer demand is established for these extra features, then surely they'll appear, especially when the format is licensed to other manufacturers whose products can compete on the open market against the current product. I like the extras too, but if I want the extras, I can just purchase the DVD - for 20 or 30 bucks. The extras on DVD are an evil corporate marketing ploy to get us to choose DVD over VHS, just like the extra CD-only tracks on CDs in the 80s were there to inspire us to get the CD over the LP. Obviously, the mere superiority of the digital product was not enough to grab us. They needed a hook. > >Sorry, guys. DIVX = Greed doesn't work for me. It may not be the > BEST > >idea in the world, but it deserves its chance. It doesn't deserve > the > >enmity that a lot of people seem to have toward it. > > Yes, it does. It's a greedy scheme thought up by Circuit City and a > bunch > of Hollywood entertainment lawyers, and they'll get the lion's share > of the > money from it. And the royalties are paid to the artists who create the work. > Other electronic stores and video rental places have no > reason to carry DIVX machines or DIVX flicks, because they'd only be > helping their competition by putting money in Circuit City's pockets. > I > can't wait to see DIVX go down in flames, which it almost certainly > will. > We're doing our part by buying bunches of DVDs (just the other day we > bought "Dark City," "Amadeus," "All The President's Men," "Zero > Effect" > and "Bullitt" bringing our total up to about 50 DVDs) and renting them > from > the corner store and Hollywood Video as often as we can. I've also > joined > the Columbia House DVD Club. Hollywood Video. An evil corporation which rents DVDs & VHS tapes to the public, and pays royalties to somebody for the consumer's renting the product. Worst of all, they make ... money! Columbia House. An even more evil corporation which entices consumers to pay a small fee for copyrighted works, then sell them more works, at regular club prices. But the initial purchase generates little or no revenue for the creators of the work. > When (not "if") DIVX goes under, what are you going to do with those > discs you have? I suppose they will go to the landfill to rot. Oh > right, they > don't rot, do they? Hmmm, Christmas ornaments? At least you can play > your DVD of "Tomorrow Never Dies" on any DVD machine, anywhere, > anytime, any place. Not if that technology is supplanted by something else in a few years, and my DVD player fails, and I can't replace it. If DIVX goes under, I'll just put my DIVX discs in the attic along with all my Betamax tapes... > And, Fred? Some of us care about this issue. What's the problem? I > care > that if American consumers are ignorant enough to embrace DIVX, the > concept will infect the CD industry. Can you imagine buying a Happy > CD, being able to listen to it unlimited times for 48 hours, but then, > > have to pay everytime you listen to it after that? That's an extreme > example, but wouldn't the record companies love it and don't think > they wouldn't try it. If people don't speak out against DIVX, how > are potential suckers going to know the downsides? Remember: I can (usually) extend my license to unlimited viewing for a fairly reasonable ONE-TIME fee. I can then watch (or listen, as the case may be) as often as I want, as long as player hardware continues to be available on the market. Scott keyed thus: > I could see how DIVX might appeal to some people even with all of > its numerous annoyance, but I don't think it is going to appeal to enough > people, at least in its current state? It is rather a brilliant scheme > though: The best part is when your DIVX player goes up in smoke, is > completely irreparable and your entire DIVX collection therefore becomes > totally worthless, since apparently an extended-life divx will only > play on the player from which it was registered? Am I wrong on this? This > takes the obsoleted-technology problem to its logical conclusion! Yes, you are wrong on this. I have an account with DIVX, and if I replace my player, the authorizations are transferred to my new player. Actually, that's not correct. What actually happens that my player is authorized to play ANY DIVX disc I put into it, so long as I have an account with DIVX. If I disconnect the player from my phone line, it won't be able to call DIVX to report my usage, and its authorization to play DIVX (even unlimited play) discs will expire. In order to play DIVX discs again, I'd have to reconnect the phone line, then contact DIVX, explain what happened, then instruct my machine to call-in and re-register. At this point, everybody's happy. None of this has any impact on my ability to play DVD discs or CDs, though. I can still use the player for these items. If the machine reports that I've played a title for which I've purchased unlimited play, DIVX will not bill me for watching the disc. If, however, I borrow a disc from someone else, DIVX will bill me for watching that disc. I can watch the disc all I want for 48 hours for the $3.50 that they'll bill me, after which any subsequent viewings would generate another bill for another 48 hour viewing period. The discs are not encrypted any more than sufficient to ensure that they won't play in a standard (non-DIVX) DVD player, and the information on the disc never changes - these are not CD-RWs. The ability of a player to play the disc is decided by the following: 1) Is the player registered? 2) Is the account to which this player is registered in good standing? 3) Are the disc and the player from the same zone (more on this in a minute). If all of the above are true, then the disc plays just fine, and DIVX charges the account $3.50, unless the holder of that account has purchased unlimited play for that very disc. The DIVX account is for the entire household, so if someone owns more than one player, the unlimited play option is extended to all of the players in the household registered to the one account. No information about the playability of the disc is stored in the machine. The decision to bill or not to bill is made by the DIVX people when the machine reports-in to the billing center. The machine only cares about items 1, 2, & 3 (above). Zones: The DIVX discs are encoded with some sort of a zone code for the market in which they are intended to be sold. The players are similarly encoded, either at the factory, or by DIVX upon player registration (I don't know which). If a disc from another zone is inserted into the player, it won't play. I don't know whether or not this will then impact the player's ability to play a disc from the proper zone, and I don't know how large the zone is (whether it's the entire US & Canada, or various other, smaller regions). Suzanne Cerquone wrote: > Yeah, we can let him get away with it, because it's a free country. > Actually, Jim Dixon had some really valid points about DIVX and gave a > refreshing rebuttal to other people's anti-DIVX theories. I knew close to > nada about DIVX technology before the recent discussions so thanks to both > camps for the level-headed discussions. Thank *you*! No, really. Thanks. Ken Descoteaux scribed: > IMHO, this is the #1 "easiest thing to explain why DIVX is bad". DIVX is an > appalling new example of the throw-away "American" lifestyle. And supposedly > one of the primary reasons it was created. Circuit City wanted a piece of > the "rental" market without bothering with inventory, records, or re-stocking > staff. Instead of renting and returning, you "rent" and throwaway! And its > not even close to being recyclable. > *gag* ...*puke*... But - but - The DIVX discs could show up in a used CD store, be sold for a buck or two to someone else, who could then play it, and get billed $3.50 for the privilege. Then the copyright holder gets a royalty. Does ASCAP get money from used CD resellers? That's a serious question. I suspect that ASCAP would have (rightfully) cracked down on this long ago, but I don't really know. As for bothering with records, I'm sure that DIVX keeps very good records - they do, of course have to bill us. Then, when I buy a DIVX disc, somebody has to bust open the carton and restock the shelf, i.e. restocking staff, as in personnel. Somebody had to transport the product to the store. Someone had to pack the box at the factory. Someone had to run the machines which made the discs. Someone has to maintain those machines. Someone had to design those machines. Someone had to design the player. Someone had to wade through volumes of copyright law and negotiate deals with the copyright holders so that the content could be encoded onto the media and distributed to the public. DIVX is not greed. It's a LOT of people overcoming tons of technological & legal hurdles to bring a product to the market in hopes that consumers will take to it. There is a lot of risk in this, and the evil Circuit City could lose a LOT of money if it doesn't catch-on, and, of course, those who manufacture the product, and the the machines, etc. & so on lose their jobs and have to find something else to do. DIVX = Capitalism. Capitalism is good. Right now, sleep is good. So, goodnight. James Dixon (MrJim) Savannah GA USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 08:48:21 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed Hi! Vickie wrote: > When (not "if") DIVX goes under, what are you going to do with those > discs you have? I suppose they will go to the landfill to rot. Oh right, > they don't rot, do they? Hmmm, Christmas ornaments? At least you can play > your DVD of "Tomorrow Never Dies" on any DVD machine, anywhere, > anytime, any place. Too nice to be true. It's not that I don't think DIVX = Greed. That's only too true. But DVD is not perfect either. Ever heard of regional codes? If I go to a shop and buy a DVD player, I can (normally) not play US DVDs. And vice versa. I would never be able to play DIVXs as well. Or I'd have a quite high phone bill, assuming it would call the US from over here (hey, even local phone calls cost a lot of money here, so I would care about my DIVX player ringing up it's "boss", but that's another story). Bye, Uli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 02:26:07 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: April March Hi, did you miss my first post about April March. I forget the name and don't wanna go to the other room 8-) but a french guy wrote it all and produced it. Songs were recored in different studios and I guess by well known sessions people. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:37:10 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed or just an experiment........... In a message dated 2/9/99 2:41:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, jd2@hargray.com writes: << DIVX = Capitalism. Capitalism is good. Right now, sleep is good. So, goodnight. James Dixon (MrJim) Savannah GA USA >> ..............james, i hope you understood that my first response to you was not intended as a slight to you at all. It actually was a tongue in cheek response to the knee jerk reaction that thought it necessary to boycott the stores, and circuit city in particular. I like circuit city.........i like capitalism. I support both. I agree with most everything you have said but I don't think DIVX will succeed. And I don't care. But on a an issue that had real substance, I haven't bought a drop of gas from EXXON since the valdez leaked. And i never will. Some issues are worth boycotting. And if I can get back to Circuit City for a moment.............I've gotten quite a few good deals from them over the years including the sony pc i'm in front of right now. They have been fair with me and never have I had a bit of trouble from them. If they choose to get behind this product, DIVX, it's the chance we all take who have our own businesses. Success or failure. But damn..........they're not evil. fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: the Clique > The band that had the hit with "Red Rubber Ball" was called "The > Cyrkle". OK, then what was the hit by the Clique? I *know* there was a hit because i remember the name (of the band, that is). > Anyway, this one is a CD collection of primarily 60s one hit wonders. > There are actually some pretty cool 60s hits on it. "Red Rubber Ball" is > one of the songs on the collection. What else is on it, if you don't mind listing the tracks? I have a real fondness for obscure 60's top-40 songs (or not so obscure). Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 04:12:11 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: the Clique At 12:46 AM 2/9/99 -0800, Joyce wrote: > > The band that had the hit with "Red Rubber Ball" was called "The > > Cyrkle". > >OK, then what was the hit by the Clique? I *know* there was a hit >because i remember the name (of the band, that is). "Sugar On Sunday" (remember? "I'm leavin' on Monday...") There's a short (very short) snippet of the song at: http://www.oldiesmuseum.com/page4.htm > I have a real fondness for obscure 60's top-40 songs (or not so obscure). You will *love* this site! I too grew up with 60's top-40 and this place is dangerous. There's snippets of hundreds of songs to jog the memory, and they sell all kinds of compilations and singles. Vickie (who also collected singles, that one included) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 02:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Iva Bittova Hi.. Am new to the list..Just thought I'd say I'm looking to trade or sell Iva Bittova's Ne neheldej and october Project's first record if anyone's interested please mail me. Anna Maria Stjärnell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:10:15 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" Bill Mazur sez: > I have noticed a few posts from you expressing, what appears to be mild > irritation, at discussion matter that has come up previously in the last > 7-1/2 years. Nope...if I were irritated, I wouldn't bother posting. Mostly it's just that I know that there _is_ good material in the archives, and I'd love to see discussion grow out of that, rather than reinventing the wheel (heh...sounds like an outgrowth of that literature review I had to do for my thesis). If anything, I'd love to see more lit-crit analysis of Happy's music (or, for that matter, just about anyone else's), whether I'm writing it or just reading... jeff np: the radio. blech. - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:13:33 -0800 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Suzanne Vega book tour http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/vega020599.html February Feb. 11 — Borders Books & Music, Ann Arbor, Mich. Feb. 18 — Olssen's Books & Records, Washington, D.C. Feb. 25 — Waterstone's, Boston, Mass. March March 1 — Barnes & Noble, New York, N.Y. March 11 — Bibelot Books, Baltimore, Md. March 18 — Borders Books & Music, Philadelphia, Pa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:48:40 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" >> It's all still there in the depths of the archives, but very difficult >> to find. > >Sorry Jeff. I definitely am interested in the archives. I second that! I am very interested in reading any and all discussions from the past that delve the meanings behind Happy's songs and albums. As a newbie, I have millions of questions about her music, but am hesitant to ask questions that tread over territory you regulars have already covered before. As an aside, I appreciate everyone who elightened me yesterday regarding the meanings behind "Cohabitants," "Out Like a Lamb" and "The Flight/He Will Come." But the coup de grace was an answer (via a Samson rep) from Happy herself! Blew me away, it did. I have the feeling I'm not the first to be graced with a personal response, but allow me to bask in the moment... ;-) >> > I would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on what "The Chariot" >> >> I read it as a child who's dying, perhaps of a painfull illness? >> Hating to be forced to stay and endure life, but at the same >> time, scared of what's to come, she is at once torn between >> begging to be noticed -- "How can you just turn away" -- and >> worrying about what will happen in the world to come, wondering >> if she, a child, will be able to handle it -- "I hope that you'll >> notice how I don't glow like you" >> >> Lyrically, I find it rather gut wrenching ("I know there's life beyond >> this black embrace") but as with so many of Happy's earlier work, >> it's hidden in this utterly gorgeous music. I don't have the lyrics in front of me either, but for some reason I always got the impression the song was being sung by someone who felt forced to live in the shadow of someone else and dreamed of "life beyond this black embrace." But I can definitely see where the idea of a dying child comes from. Very haunting song. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:10:31 -0500 From: Anthony_Matern@vanguard.com Subject: Heavy Metal Happy - --0__=LvXWckq4klGGb9xACzd14VrPygns6Mvqs938pOQOCLhYp72HN6fmmDkj Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The mention of HR appearing with notable progressive rock groups makes me want to play - --0__=LvXWckq4klGGb9xACzd14VrPygns6Mvqs938pOQOCLhYp72HN6fmmDkj Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =93connect the dots=94. Just a few years ago EMERSON LAKE and PALMER were the opening act for JETHRO TULL during the US and UK tour. Greg Lake=92s vocal range was more limited than in the =93old days=94. = Ian Anderson=92s voice is pretty much gone as well, however his mastery of = flute was never better (the flute is a heavy metal instrument). Speaking of Anderson (Jon that is), in mid-1971 the opening act for Jethro Tull was= non other than YES. In fact, YES made their US concert debut on that particular TULL tour. Another aside, in early 1970, Robert Fripp founde= r of KING CRIMSON nearly joined YES. BLACK SABBATH=92S founder Tony Iommi actually auditioned for and landed the lead guitar spot in TULL for a b= rief time. Martin Barre has held the lead guitar spot ever since. With regard to the question of JT=92s drawing power .... there is no question here. Ian Anderson and JT continue to tour the continents wit= h perhaps the most rigorous schedule of any band. They play mostly in Germany and the UK but venture to off-the-track locations like Turkey, Hungary, Poland, and various Latin American countries where no other gr= oups would go. They knowingly take the monetary loss in those smaller venue= s to please their loyal fan base. A few years back, the stage gave way and = Ian Anderson suffered torn knee ligaments in Venezuela. He finished the So= uth American tour and the North American tour performing in a wheelchair so= as not to disappoint the fans. Pushing things a bit too far and delaying surgery caught up with Ian in Australia, where blood clots from the inj= ury nearly cost him his life. You have to admire the artists that are completely dedicated to the mus= ic. Ian Anderson was at the top of my list for more than two decades. Artistry, dedication, and the character of the individual count for alo= t. The music counts for much more, so it may come as no surprise that a ve= ry elegant and somewhat shy lady who possesses the voice of angels has bec= ome my all-time favorite artist. She brings music to a different level entirely. =93it=92s only the giving that makes you ... what you are=94 Ian Ande= rson ... from Wond'ring Aloud = - --0__=LvXWckq4klGGb9xACzd14VrPygns6Mvqs938pOQOCLhYp72HN6fmmDkj-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:57:24 -0500 From: "Rod Kratochwill" Subject: Re: Koyaanisqatsi and DIVX RE: Koyaanisqatsi I tuned in with my new cable modem and it sounds like the quality I saw wasn't a whole lot better than what you saw. This is a movie that should only be seen in a theatre, or a really big screen TV. The images when combined with the soundtrack are stunning both visually and emotionally. I just wish there was some way to get my local theatre to show it. RE:divx The issue I see here is money (greed?). Technology is providing new ways to distribute entertainment media (music, video etc). The combination of entertainment and technology industries, are trying to figure out how to position themselves to be the part of the game that stands to make the most money when the next generation of media distribution "standardizes". America is perceived by many as a convenience oriented society. They say "we" want everything when "we" want it and the way that is most convenient for "us". I see music, video, media distribution moving to a combination of the technologies we currently see emerging on the Internet, MP3, streaming audio/video. The media industry is scrambling to try and figure out how to deal with technologies like MP3 and the ability to get media from alternative distribution channels. I just used my brand new cable modem connection to watch the Koyaanisqatsi Online broadcast. I tune in to Radio Free Ecto, or at least I used to when it was broadcasting. And I listen to some of the MP3 audio available on the net. As these technologies and the increasing bandwidth converge with Internet, digital television, and computers, I see a time when the media "consumer" will be able at least technologically, to have high quality digital media available "on demand". Media on demand. I can see a day when I decide I want to listen to a piece of music, say Dvorak's New World Symphony, performed by the Cleveland Orchestra, I just enter that request into my "console" and start playing from a "music server" of some sort. I can see the "coolness" of that ability. What I can't see is how to pay and who to pay. It certainly would be nice to be able to use my ISP or equivalent, and the current pay scale, for the delivery of the media, and pay the artist for the performance, and I guess you would need to pay somebody to serve it up too. Rod ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:05:16 -0800 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: MWABT sighting Faerymouse@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/8/99 6:32:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, > rich.rapp@effem.com writes: > > > I beleive I posted this before, but at Rainbow Records > > (now Chester County Books & Music) > > located in West Chester, PA, not only is Happy in the listening post, > > but four posters and 8 of the promo cards are on the wall. > [snip] > > I work at Barnes and Noble, and we do staff recs each month....so of course, I > made MWABT by staff rec for February. :D Gotta reach the unenlightened > masses... > > Love > Siobhan Rich, Thank you very much!!! I really appreciate this tip! I ordered Rhodes I, Rhodes II and Ecto from Chester County Books & Music. I spoke to a really nice gent there by the name of Jason. I was able to give him my Visa number to order. The cost per CD was/is $15.99. They charged $4.00 on the order for shipping. Patrick, please take note: These titles from Happy are really hard to find right now. I have been having some trouble locating them. You may want to give Jason a call. The phone number is 610-696-4090. He told me that he was a Happy fan and that a good friend of his lives in Albany. His friend is a huge Happy fan. He said his friend was friends with Kevin and Happy. Now I am only missing Rearmament. If anyone sees a copy of that anywhere, please let me know. Take care everyone. I've got to scoot. I'm late for work. Bill P.S. - Great work yo you Siohban. I am replying on your message because I can't locate Rich's original post. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:25:31 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: 1 hit wonders (Re: the Clique) Yes! I loved Talk Talk by the Music Machine so much I bought the album - - has a Great Hey Joe on it! (still have it) How about Hey Little Girl by The Dream Syndicate? I used to have an album called Id Music by Third Rail, which had the song Run,Run,Run. Wish I had it now - 'something- something tie your tie in a hangman's noose.....' I loved all that stuff and have a trick memory for trivial stuff. Love's Little Red Book was SO different from the rest of the album. Fever Tree's Return of the Native (SanFrancisco Girls) was So great and the rest of their stuff was SO bad! Keep On Dancing - The Gentrys...Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans...96 Tears - ? and The Mysterians...Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds...Dirty Water - Standells...Psychotic Reaction - Count Five (Album cover had all of them in capes)...The Letter - The Box Tops...Happy Together - Turtles( after their It Ain't Me, Babe Dylan/Byrds wannabee lp and before 2 of them joined Zappa)... Hang On Sloopy (and Fever) - The McCoys...ad infinitum. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:14:38 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: the Clique + trivia question At 12:46 AM 2/9/99 -0800, Joyce wrote: >> > The band that had the hit with "Red Rubber Ball" was called "The >> > Cyrkle". >> >>OK, then what was the hit by the Clique? I *know* there was a hit >>because i remember the name (of the band, that is). > >"Sugar On Sunday" (remember? "I'm leavin' on Monday...") OK, it breaks down like this. The Clique released "Sugar on Sunday" in 1969, and it hit #22 in _Billboard_, entering on 8/30/69. "I'll Hold Out My Hand" entered on 11/22/69 and hit #45; "Sparkle and Shine" hit #100 and entered on 2/28/70. The first and last, incidentally, were written by Tommy James ("Hanky Panky," "Crimson and Clover," "Mony Mony," etc.). Just goes to show ya, most one-hit wonders had _at least_ one other hit. And now for the bonus question: who in the 1980s re-recorded "Mony Mony" and, more to the point, why? Scott Tissue El Cajon CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:46:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Russ Lewis wrote: > And now for the bonus question: who in the 1980s re-recorded "Mony Mony" > and, more to the point, why? You're probably thinking of Billy Idol, but I recall a Joan Jett version, too. Why? Probably for the mony :-) - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:54 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question > OK, it breaks down like this. The Clique released "Sugar on Sunday" in > 1969, and it hit #22 in _Billboard_, entering on 8/30/69. "I'll Hold Out > My Hand" entered on 11/22/69 and hit #45; "Sparkle and Shine" hit #100 and > entered on 2/28/70. As I wrote to Kerry, I do remember I'll Hold Out My Hand quite well. ("So I'll hold out my hand, I'll be your friend, you don't have to be mine, and I'll try and I'll try, keep trying again, to get you to open your eyes." That job a few memories? :)) I *loved* that song! I just barely remember Sugar on Sunday and I'm not sure I've ever heard Sparkle and Shine. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: Elephant Gerald Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question - ---Russ Lewis wrote: > > At 12:46 AM 2/9/99 -0800, Joyce wrote: > > >> > The band that had the hit with "Red Rubber Ball" was called "The > >> > Cyrkle". > >> > >>OK, then what was the hit by the Clique? I *know* there was a hit > >>because i remember the name (of the band, that is). > > > >"Sugar On Sunday" (remember? "I'm leavin' on Monday...") > > OK, it breaks down like this. The Clique released "Sugar on Sunday" in > 1969, and it hit #22 in _Billboard_, entering on 8/30/69. "I'll Hold Out > My Hand" entered on 11/22/69 and hit #45; "Sparkle and Shine" hit #100 and > entered on 2/28/70. The first and last, incidentally, were written by > Tommy James ("Hanky Panky," "Crimson and Clover," "Mony Mony," etc.). Just > goes to show ya, most one-hit wonders had _at least_ one other hit. > > And now for the bonus question: who in the 1980s re-recorded "Mony Mony" I'm sure you'll get no shortage of correct answers to this question: there are a lot of people out there who are not aware that Billy Idol's version _is_ a cover. Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered "Crimson and Clover"? > and, more to the point, why? Um, for the money money? - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:11:55 -0500 From: julesette Subject: April March Actually the confusion with An April March is how I first heard April. I ordered a cd online, a cd single, and there it was with this perky girl on the cover. And what a fun CD it was. There's a song called "Stay away from Robert Mitchum" I can't get out of my head at times. I got a second CD-EP by her with a french and (a new) english versions of Laisse tomber les filles (I think it was a France Gall song, but it may have been Francoise Hardy) written by the ubiquitous French pop sensation Serge Gaisbourg. I was already well into old 60s female french pop, so I was hooked. My radio friend referred to her as "John Krisfalusi's girlfriend." (ren & stimpy creator I believe) She's put out a few full-length cd's, most of which I think I have, all featuring a lot of french music. April also influenced the release of the Ultrachick compilations (semi-legal compliations of 60s female singers, mostly french) which are quite enjoyable, although I can't always tell one singer from another. If you like 60s pop, francoise, gall, etc., you'll probably like April. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:13:11 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Fwd: Re: the Clique + trivia question - --WebTV-Mail-995122386-101 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This clumsy looking thing is what Webtv makes you do if you forgot to cc to ecto and don't want to tetype it all over again. KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" - --WebTV-Mail-995122386-101 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQUwjd5vuDkX/9SMuFk7Hds2ki3IwIUN9Zqp0hndkvoORJ5ojpLWtjNcBo= From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:10:04 -0600 (CST) To: lissener@yahoo.com (Elephant Gerald) Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question Message-ID: <8645-36C0A42C-202@mailtod-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Elephant Gerald 's message of Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) =A0>=A0Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another Tommy James and the Shondells hit? charley< __________________________________ Lene Lovitch did 2, 1 in English and 1 in Japanese. Later, some top 40 girl did it again and got air play. KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" - --WebTV-Mail-995122386-101-- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #48 *************************