From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #435 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, December 14 1998 Volume 04 : Number 435 Today's Subjects: ----------------- TUESDAY IS THE LAST DAY TO VOTE FOR HAPPY [FAMarcus@aol.com] so... [S Nichols ] Re: A&B Sound no longer accepts money orders ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Vote for Happy...for Philly Pholk ["C. K. Coney" ] A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! [Eponine ] Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! [kerrywhite@webtv.net (ke] A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! [Steve VanDevender ] Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! [Eponine ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Kathy Clark" ] Bells and whistles and loops, oh my (was re: confession) [JavaHo@aol.com] Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! ["Robert Lovejoy" WXPN WEB SITE i don't know if this link will transfer over the bulletin board system but if it does, go and write in happy as one of your 5 choices of best album of the year. go see what the dj's picks were. the 15th is the last day for this vote. I think every vote counts as maybe they will play her more with a good turnout. It has to start somewhere if not here....where??? if link doesnt work try this address: http://xpn.org/homepage.html the 15th is tuesday fred........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:32:42 -0500 From: S Nichols Subject: so... Got my 'puter fixed and I'm back online. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:13:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: A&B Sound no longer accepts money orders On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, desmond in a tutu wrote: > also sprach Kay S Cleaves: > > >Am I completely behind the times in feeling > >insecure about giving out a charge number online? > > there is good security technology which protects against electronic > eavesdropping, but you can never be too careful. then again, would you feel > comfortable giving out your credit card number over the phone? it's > practically the same thing. FWIW: a while back I read some news about the number of credit card numbers snarfed last year by third parties due to giving out the numbers over secure connections. The number was.... (drum roll).... zero. n.p.: Anthony Braxton: Willisau (Quartet) 1991 n.r.: Graham Lock: Forces in Motion - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:24:37 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Used bins (was Superstardom) Mark Lowry wrote: > Hi, > > Er, hi Mark, it was "moi"! :-} > > > Often they can't even fill up a damn living room with fans and possible > > fans. I'm tired of so-called fans who borrow cds from friends and > > libraries and make tapes of the entire cds, rather than purchase and > > support the artist's work. (I recently got an email from someone who said > > he borrowed Jane's "The Walking" from the Dallas Library and he regretted > > he didn't get to make a tape of it...I told *him* what I thought of > > *that*!) I frankly don't get it. > > First, I just want everyone to know, since I'm one of the few, if not > the, > Dallas person on this list, that wasn't me :-) Oh, so sorry if I cast any shadows of doubt yer way...twas a guy on the Cocteau Twins list I sub to, and he's also a Jane Siberry fan, so we emailed back and forth awhile about Jane. So, no, it *wasn't* Mark who uses the Dallas library system to build his music collection! Whew, having said that, I have a favor to ask of Mark, who wrote: > I'm > the low guy on the totem pole at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (therefore > I > *do* pay for a lot of my concert-going), since I've only been there > eight > months, but I've already shown some Ecto influence. For example, I > managed > to get the music editor to approve me writing reviews of Happy's MWABT > and > _I Wanna Be Kate_. Mark, I don't know how copyright stuff works at your paper or if you feel you're too new to consider making a request of your employer(s), but it would be great if you might get permission for us to reprint *both* those reviews in the new Happy fanzine that's in the discussion stage right now. Just a thought from one who's always thinking ahead! Thanks, Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:31:53 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Vote for Happy...for Philly Pholk Geez, I'd vote if I had a Philly address to use (since I visited the WXPN website, and they ask for folks' addresses). I do have a Pittsburgh address to use, but it's a little bit beyond the transmission radius! :-) Carol (in metro Atlanta...way the heck out of listening range!) FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > WXPN WEB SITE i don't know if this link > will transfer over the bulletin board system but if it does, go and write in > happy as one of your 5 choices of best album of the year. go see what the > dj's picks were. the 15th is the last day for this vote. I think every vote > counts as maybe they will play her more with a good turnout. It has to start > somewhere if not here....where??? if link doesnt work try this address: > http://xpn.org/homepage.html the 15th is tuesday > > fred........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:45:27 -0800 From: Eponine Subject: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Dear Vickie, Neile, Kevin E. and everyone else, I took your advice and listened to 'The Keep'. From the first few strains of "Temporary and Eternal" I thought, "Oh, yes!" When Happy's voice comes in, "he is broken, far from free/words were spoken 'tween him and me..." I was thinking, "Oh I LOVE this!" and by the time her lower register voice appears several lines later, "well he walks to the gate and he looks behind..." in my mind I was screaming, "Omigod, omigod!! I *LOVE* this!!! This is my kind of music!!!" Oh you were all SO RIGHT!! And I was SO WRONG! (And never happier to have been proven wrong!) There is something - as Tom Ditto wrote - strangely, thrillingly familiar about her music. It's as if every single song on 'The Keep' sprang into existence fully-formed and perfect, and has been hanging there in the atmosphere on a different frequency, waiting for those like me to wake up and tune in. These songs of hers lack that quaint, self-conscious awkwardness that most things created from scratch by humans possess. I'm hooked!! : ) "Temporary and Eternal" is extraordinary and beautiful and transcendent and now owns a special place in my heart. I consider it my first real Happy Rhodes experience. It has a melancholy beauty that really appeals to me, on top of some really spare but profound lyrics. But every song on 'The Keep' touches me; yes, every single one. "Save Our Souls", a plea to God to show himself if he is really there, gives me the ole shivers up the arms. The previously unreleased rather dark lullabye "Life on Mars" beautifully showcases her amazing voice with her placing of the falsetto parts next to the low parts (is this a woman singing bass? Or just a really, really rich alto?) I even love her Yes medley, and Yes is a band that I don't know at all other than those two songs that got radio airplay back in the mid-seventies. I came out of my reverie at one point to discover myself sobbing at "Bye Moon", just thinking, "Oh she was SO YOUNG here. So young and so talented: I wish it were me!" 'The Keep' is an instant classic for me, like finding a long-lost, much beloved teddy bear that you have a vague memory of from when you were still in your crib. Oh the mix of emotions one would feel if he stumbled across that teddy bear at a garage sale! Again, there is something inexplicably familiar, giving me a strange, dizzy, deja-vu feeling. I've heard that a lot of people feel an unaccountable sense of familiarity, of rediscovery, when they visit Africa for the first time, the birthplace of our species. This is something like the emotions I felt when listening to 'The Keep' (over and over and over again!) this weekend. It is truly angelic music, if I may borrow that description from Kevin E. I also enjoyed reading the playfully witty liner notes. But they made me realize how much I've been missing. I plan to get more of her CDs. I am thinking of 'Rearmament', 'Equipoise' and 'Rhodesongs'. I will have to see if my local record store can get them for me. If not, I plan to break my vow to NOT shop online and get them from MusicBoulevard!! If any of you think there are others that I should buy first, by all means, I welcome your opinions. Mea culpa to all. (Gee I hope Happy didn't read that first post where I said I didn't like her. MWABT will be set aside to be re-evaluated in a new light at a later date!) NOW I understand why this woman inspires such devotion from her fans. We none of us want to be alone in our existence in this life, and we live in constant denial that we ARE alone. Those special ones who make us feel *CONNECTED* to one another through media liked music deserve to be admired and, yes, loved, even when we don't know them personally. Now I must go back to the Ecto home page and learn all about Happy Rhodes. Like for example: why is she called "Happy" when her music expresses a decidedly melancholy bent?! Please pardon my effusiveness. I'm sure I will be embarrassed of it later. But can y'all tell I'm excited to have finally discovered Happy?! And to think: I've had 'The Keep' since August, and only just now, at you folks's urging, unwrapped it. How strange that it might have gone unlistened to forever if I hadn't posted my original post. Hmmm. Eternal thanks to all of you for beseaching me with all your might to give 'The Keep' a listen. I feel fortunate to own this recording. It is really a treasure. Sorry this post is so long! I've got the Monday-morning-too-much-coffee-consumed jitters making me a little hyper! : ) Love, Happy's newest fan, Eponine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:11:31 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: A depressed tangent (Re: ecto-digest V4 #432) At 02:59 AM 12/13/98 -0500, joe n chuck wrote: >and damn if "the river" doesn't turn out to be a mega-mega hit i just won't >have any faith in the human race at all! Well, treading lightly here, nothing whatsoever against Susan (I've never heard her music)... I said that about: "Feed The Fire" "Waking Up" "Runners" "Save Our Souls" "Temporary And Eternal" "I Say" "Hold Me" "Collective Heart" "Glory" "Look For The Child" "Summer" and whatever the *next* (sorry "Roy") Happy single is (unless it's, please no, "Proof") Sorry to pick on your post, but I'm depressed. I went to a concert the other night, packed house, shoulda been *LOADED* with Happy fans, but I'd bet there were only 2 people in the hall who knew who Happy was. Me and David Torn. It was B.L.U.E, aka Bruford Levin's Upper Extremities. Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Chris Botti and David Torn. Great show, btw! I wore a very conspicuous Happy Rhodes T-shirt (the one I was having everybody sign at the east coast shows) and wandered all over for an hour before the show, stayed for an hour after the show walking around, not so much as a glimmer of recognition from one these progressive/jazz fans. Not a glimmer, not a twinkle, not a whiff of a hint of a clue. I'm the one who hides from people on purpose, but I *made* myself weave slowly in and out of the crowds, through the tables, chairs and booths, out in the lobby, the bars, the restrooms, looking like I was looking for someone. Not a glimmer. Lots of Yes fans. Lots of Genesis fans. Lots of Gabriel fans. Lots of lots of really interesting group's fans. Not a glimmer. After the show all four performers came out to where CDs and posters were being sold, and stood around signing things for a long, long time. I had brought the Building The Colossus CD booklet and had it turned to David's photo inside. When I was able, I handed it to him and at first he was puzzled, "what's this?" but very quickly realized and said "it's Happy!" and had a big old grin on his face. As he was signing it he asked me if I had the new album ("you bet") and if I'd seen her live ("oh yeah"). I was just telling him thanks for his role in helping Happy in getting signed to Samson, but then someone else started talking to him. I just backed out so someone else could get up front. Needless to say, there was a large crush of people waiting to get autographs from the guys. I didn't even try to get up to where Bruford and Levin were signing. It would have been impossible. Well, it was a great show, but the thought that everyone in the audience should have at least heard/heard of Happy Rhodes (I'm not saying be a fan, I'm saying name recognition) while knowing that 99% hadn't a clue, well, it was depressing. Really depressing. Vickie (who'd rather see Happy at the top, or at least to have the right people know who the hell she is) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:21:31 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! I just got done writing a post to Ecto where I was depressed and upset. As soon as I sent it, this wonderful treasure came into my mailbox. Eponine wrote: >Dear Vickie, Neile, Kevin E. and everyone else, > >I took your advice and listened to 'The Keep'. From the first few >strains of "Temporary and Eternal" I thought, "Oh, yes!" When Happy's >voice comes in, "he is broken, far from free/words were spoken 'tween >him and me..." I was thinking, "Oh I LOVE this!" and by the time her >lower register voice appears several lines later, "well he walks to the >gate and he looks behind..." in my mind I was screaming, "Omigod, >omigod!! I *LOVE* this!!! This is my kind of music!!!" I threw my dignity out the window when I begged you to listen to The Keep before you gave it away. Now I'll do it again and tell you that your post had(has) *ME* sobbing. It was just what I needed at the exact right time. Thank you so much for sharing your feelings with us. I'm overjoyed. I'll write more later this evening, but right now I'm also overwhelmed. Thank you thank you thank you, Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:35:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Burka Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! eponine sez: > I took your advice and listened to 'The Keep'. From the first few > strains of "Temporary and Eternal" I thought, "Oh, yes!" After your post in which you talked about the KaTeness of the first Happy bit you heard, followed by your disgust for MWABT and the ensuing exhortations that you listen to _The Keep_, I just _knew_ this would be your reaction. And I know that this post would have Vickie all weak-kneed. You people are *so* easy. ;-) > "Temporary and Eternal" is extraordinary and beautiful and transcendent > and now owns a special place in my heart. Strangely, this was always my least favorite piece on _Equipoise_, one I'd often skip, but the version on _The Keep_ just makes me *quiver*. Wow. > The previously unreleased rather dark lullabye > "Life on Mars" Somewhere in the archives there's a post of mine about the "new" songs on the _The Keep_, how they fit both musically and lyrically within Happy's ouevre. One of the things I wrote about is the subversiveness of this song, as well as the monsters and anguish on the final 3 tracks (it was also a first stab at transcriptions of the lyrics, the official versions of which eventually appeared in _Rhodeways_) > I came out of my reverie at one point to discover myself sobbing at "Bye > Moon", just thinking, "Oh she was SO YOUNG here. So young and so > talented: I wish it were me!" Wait 'til you hear "The Wretches Gone Awry," recorded at age 17. Eep. > I plan to get more of her CDs. I am thinking of 'Rearmament', > 'Equipoise' and 'Rhodesongs'. From the songs you seem to like I would hold back on _Equipoise_ and probably _Rearmament_. The former has a very different feel from her acoustic music, and the latter has lots of 80's-ish synth-based songs. I adore both albums, but I'm not convinced they'd be to your tastes. For more of the acoustic stuff, go with Rhodes I and II. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:29:00 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! At 01:35 PM 12/14/98 -0500, Jeff Burka wrote: > > >eponine sez: > >> I took your advice and listened to 'The Keep'. From the first few >> strains of "Temporary and Eternal" I thought, "Oh, yes!" > > After your post in which you talked about the KaTeness of the >first Happy bit you heard, followed by your disgust for MWABT and the >ensuing exhortations that you listen to _The Keep_, I just _knew_ this >would be your reaction. And I know that this post would have Vickie all >weak-kneed. You people are *so* easy. ;-) I am laughing so hard! Weak-kneed is just about right. Good thing I was sitting down when I read Eponine's post. You guys! You do this to me when I'm rushing around getting ready to go to some appointments, and then Chris is coming home tonight after having been out-of-town on business for 2 weeks! (We have lots of things to ...ahem... talk about) I'll get back to all this asap. In the meantime, y'all have made my day/week/month! Vickie (who can't wait to hear Eponine's reaction to I & II & RhodeSongs) ps, Eponine, scarf up some cash and get thee into Sharon's mailbox. You'll want back issues of her wonderful fanzine. All the back issues, before they're gone! Even if you're not the fanzine type, you'll want them. Trust me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:41:25 -0600 From: "Girl with the curious hair" Subject: top picks ... guess i'll do it too not in any particular order 1* sketches - jeff buckley 2* like weather - leila 3* no mermaid - sinead lohan 4* whitechocolatespaceegg - liz phair 5* spine - veda hille 6* winterland - emma townshend 7* this is hardcore - pulp 8* half of the songs off of public by emm gryner 9* 1965 - afghan whigs 10* the boxer soundtrack by gavin friday (anything this guy does is brilliant) 11* mezzanine - massive attack things i was most disappointed by: imogene heap: after all of the hype, i can't figure out what the big deal is over. i can't even find one song i'm crazy about in the whole cd. little plastic castle by ani difranco the other half of public by emm gryner j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:46:09 -0600 From: "Girl with the curious hair" Subject: addendum forgot some: strange angels - kristen hersh best bit - beth orton (who is on the cover of the new cmj if anyone cares....) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:53:24 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Hi, a note on "SOS": the first line is, We give to you a disc of gold..." This was the disc of information sent with Voyager to the farther reachs of space. Happy has mentioned this in concert. Keep in your heart the 'message to God' but remember that it is about calling space aliens. Come save us but we may put you on TV! bye, KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. Whether to suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Eponine writes: > The previously unreleased rather dark lullabye > "Life on Mars" beautifully showcases her amazing voice with her placing > of the falsetto parts next to the low parts (is this a woman singing > bass? Or just a really, really rich alto?) I love "Life on Mars". Back when Mars Pathfinder was poking around on Mars, I heard they played wake-up songs for the Sojourner rover, much as they do for the shuttle astronauts, although more for the enjoyment of the rover operators than the rover itself. Unfortunately by the time I thought of sending in a recommendation for "Life on Mars" as a wake-up song, the lander had started having problems and shortly ceased to operate. If you hear a low voice on a Happy album, chances are it's Happy. Especially if you are listening to any of the First Four (Rhodes I & II, Rearmament, Ecto) where there are no other vocalists than Happy anywhere. > Love, > Happy's newest fan, > > Eponine Heh heh. Happy claims another. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:13:31 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Eponine wrote: > It's as if every single song on 'The Keep' > sprang into existence fully-formed and perfect, and has been hanging > there in the atmosphere on a different frequency, waiting for those like > me to wake up and tune in. These songs of hers lack that quaint, > self-conscious awkwardness that most things created from scratch by > humans possess. I'm hooked!! : ) Eponine, I have a feeling that you're going to hear from Neile who will no doubt want to take some excerpts of your excellent words/review, for use in the "Ectophiles Guide". I for one am thrilled you love "The Keep"...and I look forward to your reviews of "RhodeSongs"...and I and II as well. Happy shopping! And if you can't find them in a store near you & can't stomach Music Blvd, me know...Borders stocks various Happy cds & I'd be glad to pick them up for ya! Carol > > > "Temporary and Eternal" is extraordinary and beautiful and transcendent > and now owns a special place in my heart. I consider it my first real > Happy Rhodes experience. It has a melancholy beauty that really appeals > to me, on top of some really spare but profound lyrics. But every song > on 'The Keep' touches me; yes, every single one. "Save Our Souls", a > plea to God to show himself if he is really there, gives me the ole > shivers up the arms. The previously unreleased rather dark lullabye > "Life on Mars" beautifully showcases her amazing voice with her placing > of the falsetto parts next to the low parts (is this a woman singing > bass? Or just a really, really rich alto?) I even love her Yes > medley, and Yes is a band that I don't know at all other than those two > songs that got radio airplay back in the mid-seventies. > > I came out of my reverie at one point to discover myself sobbing at "Bye > Moon", just thinking, "Oh she was SO YOUNG here. So young and so > talented: I wish it were me!" > > 'The Keep' is an instant classic for me, like finding a long-lost, much > beloved teddy bear that you have a vague memory of from when you were > still in your crib. Oh the mix of emotions one would feel if he > stumbled across that teddy bear at a garage sale! Again, there is > something inexplicably familiar, giving me a strange, dizzy, deja-vu > feeling. I've heard that a lot of people feel an unaccountable sense of > familiarity, of rediscovery, when they visit Africa for the first time, > the birthplace of our species. This is something like the emotions I > felt when listening to 'The Keep' (over and over and over again!) this > weekend. It is truly angelic music, if I may borrow that description > from Kevin E. I also enjoyed reading the playfully witty liner notes. > But they made me realize how much I've been missing. > > I plan to get more of her CDs. I am thinking of 'Rearmament', > 'Equipoise' and 'Rhodesongs'. I will have to see if my local record > store can get them for me. If not, I plan to break my vow to NOT shop > online and get them from MusicBoulevard!! If any of you think there are > others that I should buy first, by all means, I welcome your opinions. > > Mea culpa to all. (Gee I hope Happy didn't read that first post where I > said I didn't like her. MWABT will be set aside to be re-evaluated in a > new light at a later date!) NOW I understand why this woman inspires > such devotion from her fans. We none of us want to be alone in our > existence in this life, and we live in constant denial that we ARE > alone. Those special ones who make us feel *CONNECTED* to one another > through media liked music deserve to be admired and, yes, loved, even > when we don't know them personally. > > Now I must go back to the Ecto home page and learn all about Happy > Rhodes. Like for example: why is she called "Happy" when her music > expresses a decidedly melancholy bent?! > > Please pardon my effusiveness. I'm sure I will be embarrassed of it > later. But can y'all tell I'm excited to have finally discovered > Happy?! And to think: I've had 'The Keep' since August, and only just > now, at you folks's urging, unwrapped it. How strange that it might > have gone unlistened to forever if I hadn't posted my original post. > Hmmm. > > Eternal thanks to all of you for beseaching me with all your might to > give 'The Keep' a listen. I feel fortunate to own this recording. It > is really a treasure. > > Sorry this post is so long! I've got the > Monday-morning-too-much-coffee-consumed jitters making me a little > hyper! : ) > > Love, > Happy's newest fan, > > Eponine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:20:52 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! kerry white wrote: > Hi, a note on "SOS": the first line is, We give to you a disc of > gold..." This was the disc of information sent with Voyager to the > farther reachs of space. Happy has mentioned this in concert. Keep in > your heart the 'message to God' but remember that it is about calling > space aliens. My sig line for awhile on a vegetarian email list was, "We are the number one offender of speciesism, and yet here we are reaching out for aliens, looking for salvation...pity our emptiness". Of course I then would add a credit to Happy for those lines, and the name of the cd. Along the way a couple of people wanted to know who she was because of those lines. Moral of story: signature lines taken from Happy's lyrics are a great way to get her name out there on non-music email lists! Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:24:45 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Fwd:Something re: Anneli Drecker This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4969E2B0CB0679EE41A78379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For folks who were wondering about what Anneli Drecker's up to these days, here's a forwarded tidbit from the Cocteau Twins email list. Carol - --------------4969E2B0CB0679EE41A78379 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from tetsuo.mspring.net ([207.69.231.11]) by mx8.mindspring.com (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id r7asjh.9bb.37kbi16 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from x10.boston.juno.com (x10.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.25]) by tetsuo.mspring.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21990 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from violaine@juno.com) by x10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWF3GR8T; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:31 EST To: ckconey@catgoddess.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=7Elees=AA=7E?= : simon raymonde Message-ID: <19970928.001854.4303.4.Violaine@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-22 From: violaine@juno.com (C.K. Coney) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:31 EST - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=7Elees=AA=7E?= To: COCTEAU@BBAER.RCCDEN.COM Subject: simon raymonde Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199812141451.JAA15889@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> simon posted this in my guestbook today: I have begun recording with Anneli Drecker and it sounds fantastic so far. I am mixing the Czars album now, as well as working with Tim Keegan & The Homer Lounge (Blue Rose Records). Robin and I have pledged to make an album together in the New Year. Despite recent misgivings on the CT sites about the merits of the Dirty Three live, I can tell you that they are absoutely tremendous, but you have to let the music take control of you, and it's so powerful when it does! They are supporting PJ Harvey tonight at London's Shepherds' Bush Empire on at 8pm. I will be filming the show for posterity. Bless you all Simon x Simon Raymonde London, UK - Monday, December 14, 1998 at 03:21:21 (MST) - --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - --------------4969E2B0CB0679EE41A78379-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:40:43 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Hi all... on the (sort of) same topic... I'm curious how you all feel Rearmament compares to The Keep... I bought & listened to MWABT, and it just didn't do much for me... then I bought & listened to Rearmament, which was *somewhat* better, but still didn't really grab me. After that, I figured I just wasn't ever going to "get" Happy's music. But, with all the rave reviews The Keep is getting the past couple days, I'm wondering if maybe it would be worth picking that one up for a listen. I wasn't completely turned off by MWABT or Rearmament, they both sort of fell into my "take it or leave it" category - I'll listen to them now and then, but I don't think they're going to be in heavy rotation for me anytime in the near future... although, I did like Rearmament a little bit more than MWABT. So, in the hopes that maybe I just didn't get the right introduction to Happy (it's happened with other artists, so it's entirely possible it happened again), any thoughts you all have on the relative merits of The Keep vs. Rearmament are more than welcome. :) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease/ "There oughta be a bridge somewhere they could dedicate to me / I'd probably come to the ceremony with a can of gasoline / then walk on over to the other side, and there I'd light a match / and sit and stare through the smoke & flames wondering how I'm gonna get back..." ---(Chris Knight, "It Ain't Easy Being Me")--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:46:01 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: OTR news (Fwd: CBS Fiasco) >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:16:56 -0500 (EST) >To: over-the-rhine-announce@actwin.com >From: OTRhine@aol.com >Subject: CBS Fiasco >Sender: owner-over-the-rhine-announce@actwin.com > >Well if you did not see it, it did not happen. The band was told that >CBS would move the air date to Dec. 11, but world events etc forced >the airing of the band to be on the orginal date of Dec 16th. So >once again set those VCR's, they will be playing on Dec 16, barring >any tragic and unforseen event that is newsworthy! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:13:53 -0800 From: Eponine Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Hi, dearest Vickie, Well first of all, thank you for all of your information. How alarming to discover that Happy's CDs will be hard to get. I noticed that MWABT was not on the Aural Gratification label and suspected that all those CDs may now be slowly disappearing. I will have to read up at the Ecto website exactly what caused the falling-out between Happy and Aural Gratification (assuming that there WAS a falling-out). All of those CDs are listed at MusicBoulevard.com as being "Special Order" CDs, but that's where I got my 'The Keep' CD, so maybe I'll try it. Or maybe first I'll try Borders.com. I frequently torture myself with the questoin: what's my all-time favorite album? I don't know if I can answer this!! But certainly one of the contenders would be your beloved 'The Dreaming' by Kate Bush. Me, too! I have a theory about 'The Dreaming', 'Hounds of Love', and 'The Sensual World'. I call these albums Kate's "Holy Trinity". I laid out my theory in a very expository sort of way when I was on the Love Hounds mailing list, and a lot of people seemed to respond and I was feeling really good about myself and even feeling kind of "popular" at Love Hounds, when I happened to make a flip remark in a post about Tori Amos's fan base ( although I AM a Tori fan myself, by the way). Anyway it was misinterpreted by someone who totally over-reacted and sent me a rabid hate-mail. Well I skedaddled myself right outta Love Hounds. You could say I have "thin skin", or was acting like a petulant child (I'm taking my marbles and going home), but the truth is just that my feelings get hurt really easily. Anyway my point is just that I, too, love 'The Dreaming'. And 'Hounds of Love'. One is hard pressed to find a "real" instrument on either album (OK, OK - - I know they are there!); so, you see, I am not just an acoustic music only hippie-chick! Although as we know MWABT and I didn't hit it off. I MAY disappear just as suddenly from this list, as I did before. I am a classic under-achiever and work at a dull, mind-numbing, spirit-crushing job (lines taken from 'Trainspotting'!) which has me near tears every single day and minus the "near" on some days. I am getting ready to just up-and-quit. My boss and I are circling each other, waiting to see who will strike first. And since I don't have a home computer, I may just suddenly exit. I just wanted everyone to know that so y'all don't say, "what the hell happened to her? Did she think she was too good for us?" becsuse nothing could be further from the truth! I love this list. Also, Carol tells me "Save Our Souls" is not a plea to God but to space aliens. I suspected I could be interpreting it too simplistically. It's gonna take a while for the words to really reveal themselves to me, especially since there is no lyric booklet included. And yet it striked me that God or space aliens, at least in this context, add up to sort of the same thing: we MUST believe in something bigger and better than ourselves. Otherwise, if we're IT, wow, are we f***ed. Please - no offense to be taken by anyone feeling their religious beliefs were dissed by this comment. They're just my musings, I'm not dissing anyone's beliefs here. Do you think this is the point Happy is trying to make in this song? Well gotta go - more later (unless I quit and/or get canned today yet). Love, Eponine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:44:04 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: A Good Sale on Music Blvd. Music Blvd is having a sale on a bunch of stuff for 3 for $30.00, or ten bucks each. Long alphabetized lists of stuff to plow through, but there's some good stuff there, including several by Laurie Anderson, KaTe, Jane, Cocteaus, Japan, Peter Murphy, David Sylvian, Seely, Stereolab, Lili Haydn, Lida Husik, Dalis Car...to name just a few of my own faves. And of course that's just in the "rock/pop" genre. Many other genres represented in the sale. Shipping is fairly cheap, $1.99 for three cds, which I think is decent. So if you have holiday shopping to do, you might want to check it out at www.musicblvd.com. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:09:54 -0500 From: "Kathy Clark" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know OK, so I'm a little behind, posting to a 2-month old thread. But I'm catching up, I had 1400 ecto messages to read a week ago, and I'm down to 650! Anyway, I mostly gauge sad songs by if I absolutely break down when I'm trying to play and sing them on the piano - not that I do either very well, but I enjoy it. The obligatory Tori songs that kill me are "Winter", "Baker Baker," and "China." But nobody mentioned the song that completely destroys me, which is "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" from The Phantom of the Opera. Am I the only person who can totally not handle that song? A lot of the other songs people mentioned I definitely agreed with, but I was surprised that I didn't see this one. Though if we started to go into show tunes, we could probably hit a lot more. Kathy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:23:12 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Bells and whistles and loops, oh my (was re: confession) Matt Woods confesses: << The Keep was my intro to Happy Rhodes and I loved it the moment I heard it. It is sort of the Happy Rhodes unplugged album, and lacks the overpowering electronic gimikry which, I think, was the thing I most disliked about MWABT. >> Ditto for me. I have grown to appreciate and enjoy MWABT, and I certainly respect the talent and vision that went into it. Truth be told, though, if it hadn't been Happy's album, I probably would not have taken the time to let grow. While there are certainly those artists who venture into electronica, loops, sequences, and the like, that I do really enjoy listening to, it is not what first drew me to Happy. What I wouldn't give to hear her with an acoustic guitar again. I'm afraid I had a similar reaction to Susan James. I ordered "Fantastic Voyage" based on the number of list raves about it and about her proficiency as a guitarist. What I got was not at all what I expected. To be fair, I have only listened to it once and it has been several months. But to be honest, I can't quite get myself into the mood to listen to it again. Sure, she's a very good guitarist--when she plays the damn thing. There was just too much gimmickry for me...too many sound effects. It can be interesting if done well and used sparingly. I guess I have a low tolerance for bells and whistles, so to speak. At some point it just becomes annoying (and often repetitive) noise to me. Perhaps it bothers me most when I know that underneath it all, there is a talented individual that I would really like to hear. Or maybe I'm just in a mood. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:48:15 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: A new confession: I was wrong about Happy! Hi Ep (and Ecto), Wow, reading your post was so great! I'm glad you discovered Happy as you did. I've been on the ecto list since "Warpaint" came out, and I guess I was won over in an instant. Fortunately, Philadelphia had a radio station that recognized her talent and played a song from that CD on the air. I heard it in my car when I was driving to go food shopping, and I had to pull over. She had instantly reached into my soul and touched places music hadn't gotten to before. An utterly amazing talent. When I read your first post about not caring for Happy's music, I was surprised. I did not judge you harshly, for above all things I treasure the diversity of people. And I knew I was obviously in a great minority, or else Happy would be a brighter star in the music firmament than she is now. But I was surprised that someone who liked the other musicians discussed on ecto didn't "get" Happy. Tonight's post made me smile deep inside. Thank you, Eponine, for giving Happy another chance. Thank you, ecto, for encouraging that chance! >Now I must go back to the Ecto home page and learn all about Happy >Rhodes. Like for example: why is she called "Happy" when her music >expresses a decidedly melancholy bent?! Her brother gave her that nickname when she was a baby! >Please pardon my effusiveness. I'm sure I will be embarrassed of it >later. But can y'all tell I'm excited to have finally discovered >Happy?! And to think: I've had 'The Keep' since August, and only just >now, at you folks's urging, unwrapped it. How strange that it might >have gone unlistened to forever if I hadn't posted my original post. >Hmmm. After all, this is a Happy Rhodes list at its collective heart! In closing, last Sunday's 60 Minutes had a segment on Daniel Barenboin (sp?), a classical pianist/composer, who astonished me when he said: "Music is like life. It is an ephemeral thing, surrounded by silence. Every note..." (he stuck a note on the piano) "...dies." (the sound decayed and was gone). I had never heard music explained so poignantly, so profoundly. I for one am happy that at my age I still love music as much as ever! Fortunately my sons have also grown to share this love of music, and Richard, my oldest, has bought home such wondrous ecto fare such as Love Spirals Downward, the Cocteau Twins, Heather Nova, and much more. I'm also joyfully involved in some modest music-making of my own, playing bass now and then with friends who get together and just jam! My heart has been warmed tonight by your joyful discovery of Happy's music. I feel certain that in time you will come to appreciate Many Worlds Are Born Tonight. It is a wonderful album. For now, though, try to get some of the earlier classics, especially Warpaint. That was my first experience, and it holds a special place in my heart. Happy Listening! Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #435 **************************