From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #381 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 04 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Black Tape For A Blue Girl [pauly on the shore ] Re: mary margaret o'hara [pauly on the shore ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] micellaneous...long [Melissa ] Susan McKeown and BOWSIE [Hillary Jackson ] Support Kristin Hersh! [Yves Denneulin ] Re: Máire Brennan [samsamiam@juno.com (Sami T.)] Re: Susan McKeown and BOWSIE [FAMarcus@aol.com] Saddest album of all time... [stunning@tezcat.com] auction: autographed CD [queen of carrot flowers ] New e-mail address [Philip David Morgan ] Re: Support Kristin Hersh! ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Saddest album of all time... ["Tim" ] Re: Black Tape For A Blue Girl ["Tim" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:16:49 -0500 From: pauly on the shore Subject: Re: Black Tape For A Blue Girl also sprach Tim: >However one Projekt artist I hadn't heard about, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, >had a very extensive collection and an album on a listening post - Remnants >of a Deeper Purity. I din't have much time to listen, but what I heard >sounded very interesting. Does anyone know much about this group, if they're >very good, where to start etc? a lot of people like black tape, but i find them incessantly boring. they are the epitome of the ethereal sound -- swells of swirling sounds with floating female vocals -- but i feel no emotion in their music. it's just there. the one album of theirs which i can listen to is _the rope_. it's their first and has a meatier, more physical sound than the others. _ashes in the brittle air_ isn't too bad either. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:11:40 -0500 From: pauly on the shore Subject: Re: mary margaret o'hara also sprach sam: >it's been a long time since i've been so absolutely blown >away by a live performance. i can attest to this. i didn't see sam afterwards, but she literally bounded up to me as i walked inside to say hi, brimming with excitement. ...believe you me, sam *never* bounds! ;) ;) ;) i have to completely agree with her though: m2oh was fantastic. she played most (maybe all) of the _miss america_ america and a christmas song which i assume is on the christmas ep (which i do not have, so can not confirm). she had a full band with her -- the same group who played on the album: rusty mccarthy on guitar (who gets some of the loveliest sounds out of a fender startocaster that i have ever heard), david piltch on bass, michael slowski on drums and hugh marsh (sporting the billy gorgan haircut) on violin. they played for nearly two hours which seemed to rush by much too quickly. no encore since they didn't have any more songs rehearsed to play! utterly utterly gorgeous. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Tara MacLean (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Neil K. Thu November 14 1968 Grocible Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:01:01 From: Melissa Subject: micellaneous...long I keep on forgetting to write about these various stuff or have been to busy. I shouldn't even be online now... But anyway I've been going to a lot of concerts the past 3 weeks. At least it's a lot of concerts for me. I know some of you guys go to shows maybe 3 times a week. If I did that I would be broke and cranky every day at work. I recently saw Barenaked Ladies at the Theatre at Madison Square Garden. They were very funny. I figured that I should see them before they get too big and I get too old and have no time for concerts any more. Another funny band that I saw was They Might be Giants. I was into them when I was maybe 15 or 16. It was interesting to see how they changed from 2 guys with a backing tape to a full band. They were even better with a band. They did crazy stuff like dueling musicians: one guy playing against the other guy. They had a funny thing with two long puppets for the encore. I also saw Liz Phair for the Sessions on West 54th taping. That was really worth it for me. I got a seat behind the keyboard player and had a great view of everything. I guess there is a good chance I'll be on the show. At one point she asked how did people get tickets for it. One person said sonicnet and another said radio. So she asked who got it from the radio. I raised my hand and she looked at me and said "Good for you." I was at first disapointed with the set list since my favorite song was not listed. However after she finished she asked if there was extra time for another song. They said yes and she took requests. People were shouted some songs but no one shouted my favorite. After some point I got the courage to say "Fuck and Run" and others said it and she played it. After the show the sessions staff gave out copies of her cd which was very nice. And my next show...I went to a taping for VH1 story tellers for Tori Amos. I got to the place really really early. Around 4:30pm even though the doors were not suppose to open until 7 (didn't open till close to 8) I was kind of annoyed that so many people cut in front of me and my friend since they were friends of the people in front of us. But it was crazy how many people cut in. It was like what was the point to get there early. I feel that the staff there don't know what they are doing unlike the staff at Sessions. I won WFUV tickets but I never got a ticket for it. To be quite honest I really never needed a ticket because they never checked for a ticket when they let us in. We did not have bad seats but not the best. It was behind one of those track things. I didn't enjoy the taping as much as I hoped to. Maybe it's because I never watched the show before. And they made tori and the band do many songs over which bore me. They didn't do many of my favorite songs but a few. They did rasberry swirl. At one point she made us get up and dance to it. Which was great except we all had to pee at that point! Oh and the drummer sat down next to me at one point but I was totally unaware of who he was until after he got up! I can be such an idiot! Lastly I wanted to mention an album I can't stop listening to which I bought some time ago for .88. The album is called Every Dirty Word by Mollies Revenge. Sometimes they have a calm sound and sometimes a harder sound. They have a cello player. My favorite song is Humble. It's very catchy. There is a part that goes: I am just a bimbo with my thumb caught in a thimble. I tumble and I fumble and I'm struggling to be humble. I originally did not think I would like them because the lead singer has all these piercings and a mohawk type of hair cut. Looks can be deceiving. I better get going because I have a lot of shit to do. I have only one more concert coming up: Depeche Mode at MSG. It's kind of for nostalgic reasons. They use to be my favorite band from the ages of 14 to 21. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:19:07 -0500 From: Hillary Jackson Subject: Susan McKeown and BOWSIE Well, better late than never, I am, at last, posting about Susan McKeown at the Prime CD 5th Anniversary party: I'm so glad I went! This gig marked the debut of a project Susan has been working on with guitarist Gerry Leonard (Duncan Sheik, Paula Cole, Laurie Anderson, Cyndi Lauper). They call it BOWSIE; and it's very cool; sort of ethno-ambient, Irish songs in English and Gaelic with modern arrangements, samples and loops. It totally grooved. The other musicians were: Jeff Allen - bass (Duncan Sheik) Frank Vilardi - drums (Jewel, Suzanne Vega) and Neil Thomas, accordionist with the Five Chinese Brothers who jumped in at the last minute and played a mean harmonium. They performed 6 songs: Coinleach Glas an Fhomhair (traditional, an old Clannad song) Bones Fair-y (She Moved Through the Fair, a REALLY different version!) Love Kill Thing (Bonny Tavern Green, learned from Paddy Tunney) Cé Leis é It was just amazing all around. There seems to be no limit to Susan's imagination and versatility. And no shortage of talented musicians who want to work with her. I'm looking forward to more BOWSIE gigs in the future! hillary ====================================== Hillary Jackson 468 Sixth Avenue #4 New York, NY 10011 212.675.9629 212.645.0298 (fax) hillaryj@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:49:56 +0100 (MET) From: Yves Denneulin Subject: Support Kristin Hersh! Hello 'philes, It may be old news, sorry if this is the case. While visiting the Throwing Muses website I discovered that Kristin started an online distribution of her work. Here is how it works: you subscribe (online with a credit card) and you can download in MP3 format one song per month for the coming year. The price is $14.95, a bit expensive but this is Kristin we are talking about, I paid 10$ for a single with *one* accoustic song on it! And the fact that she is receiving all the money is a big plus too. So run to the site! ;-) Regarding Francoise Hardy, it is true that she started her career singing stupid lyrics but for the last 20 years this is not the case. She is a "true" artist now but I fail to see the comparison with Tori. OK they both do what they want to do but so does Kate, Diamanda Galas, Patti Smith, Ani DiFranco, etc. If I had to define her music I would say that it is distant pop, her musics are accessible but her lyrics are cryptic. Her voice is hauting, with a special tone. She always gives the impression that she is talking, not singing (like Serge Gainsbourg). Yeah that could be a good description she is a kind of female Serge Gainsbourg. Sorry, I am bad at describing music! Best, - -- Yves. (who can't play MP3 at work so can't give an opinion about the song he just downloaded) npimh: daria theme "lalalala" (this cartoon is great!) n.r.: Paul Auster _Mr Vertigo_ (just started it) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:56:02 -0800 From: samsamiam@juno.com (Sami T.) Subject: Re: Máire Brennan The liner notes from Iona's album "Journey Into the Morn" indicate that Máire Brennan in a "special guest" on this album in the areas of vocals, voal loops, and celtic harp; however, there is nothing to indicate on which tracks she appears. I'd like to find out. Can anyone out there help with this info? ~Sami~ n.p. "Beyond These Shores" - iona n.r. "Deathbird Stories" - Harlan Ellison <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "...reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it. I can take it in small doses, but as a lifestyle I found it too confusing." --from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" by Jane Wagner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:29:07 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Susan McKeown and BOWSIE In a message dated 10/25/98 12:50:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, hillaryj@mindspring.com writes: << I'm so glad I went! This gig marked the debut of a project Susan has been working on with guitarist Gerry Leonard (Duncan Sheik, Paula Cole, Laurie Anderson, Cyndi Lauper). They call it BOWSIE; >> could you explain a little more about this????? fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:29:28 -0500 From: stunning@tezcat.com Subject: Saddest album of all time... I mentioned some of my saddest songs, but for saddest album ever, my vote goes to The Cure's "DISINTEGRATION." Oh god...it's SOOOO sad. Anyone else find this to be so? Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: auction: autographed CD Hey gang... I'm trying to get my autographed copy of the Barenaked Ladies' first CD, _Gordon_, off my hands. Since I can't find any info about how to hook up with the BNL mailing list to post this directly, I'm sending it to you-all, in hopes that someone will either a) take it off my hands, or b) forward it to someone who might be interested. Here goes: Description: Barenaked Ladies, _Gordon_. Autographed by all five members of the band. Original American pressing, with white cover and silly photo of the guys acting all madcap. CD itself in okay condition, a few scratches that don't affect play. Auction starts right now, and will end on November 1. Start your bids at $25. Email me at only. Feel free to forward this around. Thanks. - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Philip David Morgan Subject: New e-mail address Good Evening, All: Woj, many thanks for the unsubscribe/new subscribe details...I should start getting everyone's mail now at: pmorgan@suffolk.lib.ny.us O.K., O.K., it's not as glamorous as the other e-mail handles I have at XOOM, Hotmail, and the like...but it'll do. ;-) See you guys at my new library-sponsored digs (free, even), Philip David 10/25/1998 - --- http://members.xoom.com/Daevidarts/ [The Diane Wolkstein Pages - successfully moved!] - --- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:55:30 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Support Kristin Hersh! Yves Denneulin sez: > It may be old news, sorry if this is the case. > While visiting the Throwing Muses website I discovered that Kristin > started an online distribution of her work. Here is how it works: you > subscribe (online with a credit card) and you can download in MP3 > format one song per month for the coming year. Mmmm, tasty! Thanks for the heads-up, Yves. I'd never even been to the Throwing Music site (which is quite cool on its own), and don't recall Kristin's distribution thingy having been mentioned here before. > Yves. (who can't play MP3 at work so can't give an opinion about the > song he just downloaded) Okay, so *I'll* comment on it, at least a little: great KH tune, and if you dig her albums, hop on the bandwagon and show some support. I have a feeling it's going to be frustrating waiting for each new tune every month, but I'm quite pleased to have "No Hard Feelings" residing on my hard drive. That said, I'm also quite pleased that Kristin didn't include this song on _Strange Angels_. It's a great song, but I can't figure out anywhere it would have fit on what is one of my very favorite albums of the year. Mostly, but not entirely acoustic instrumentation, processed vocals (well, some of 'em), and typically odd lyrics. jeff np: "Works In Progress 1: No Hard Feelings" / Kristin Hersh - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:26:31 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Saddest album of all time... - ---------- >From: stunning@tezcat.com >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Saddest album of all time... >Date: Mon, Oct 26, 1998, 12:29 AM > >I mentioned some of my saddest songs, >but for saddest album ever, my vote goes to >The Cure's "DISINTEGRATION." > >Oh god...it's SOOOO sad. > >Anyone else find this to be so? Definitely! Disintegration is one of my absolute favourite albums, and stands head and shoulders above everything else The Cure have done (excepting the odd song here and there). Its an absolutely beautiful, epic album. I don't think there is a single flaw on there. Also one of my favourite album openings (the crashing synths on Plainsong). Unfortunately I'm going crazy at the moment because a friend has my copy and is being very slow in returning it. For other sad albums, I would suggest Talk Talk's Spirit Of Eden (which is more subtle, but is arguably the best piece of rock music ever "composed"), Depeche Mode's Black Celebration (World Full Of Nothing especially), Marillion's Clutching At Straws (a quasi-concept album about alcoholism) and Puressence's S/T debut (which is much like Disintegration, except both more fragile and propulsive). Oh, and Joni Mitchell's Hejira - which has the best lyrics of any album ever. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:27:18 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Black Tape For A Blue Girl >The loveliescrushing disc Xuveytn consists almost entirely of looped >guitar screeches, distorted and layered beyond recognizability, and >except for a handful of tracks, is devoid of vocals. Most tracks >don't have any discernible rhythm. This disc reminds me a lot of Lou >Reed's Metal Machine Music, except that it lacks the latter's amusing >liner notes. It should be noted that some people like this sort of >thing; I'm just not one of them. One former roommate was overjoyed >when I gave him a copy of MMM on CD. He wasn't living with me anymore >at that point, and his wife did *not* share his enthusiasm. :) I realise that it is vastly experimental. The most interesting description I've heard is My Bloody Valentine crossed with Scott Walker's Tilt - the most experimental album *I've* heard - with snatches of Talk Talk. I may not like it, but then I might. It might take me a while, but, as I learned with Talk Talk's Spirit Of Eden (which I bought in January and only just fell in love with a week ago), sometimes its worth it. However, I might put it a bit further down in my priorities, so thanks for the warning. Love Spirals Downwards, however, takes priority for me, on the basis of all the strong recommendations from this list (and thanks for yours). From what everyone's said, Idylls sounds beautiful, so I'm anxious to pick it up (hmm.. right after the new Manic Street Preachers and Marillion albums, plus stuff from The The, Blue Nile and... oh bother!) Thanks for the advice! Tim ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #381 **************************