From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #369 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 04 : Number 369 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [ABershaw@aol.com] RE: what poster signing??? ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: "Uncut" free 4AD cd [Paul Blair ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Mila Drumke Friday night, NYC [Paul Blair ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Jeffrey Hanson" ] Was Re: Cry Cry Cry and Latest Susan Werner, now Robertson Davies ["Jeffr] Echoes Radio Show featuring Happy! [Matthew Levy ] Re: what poster signing??? [Carolyn Andre ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Joseph Zitt ] the note from samson [meredith ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [jason and jill ] Re: saddest song [meredith ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Ofer Inbar ] re: saddest song ["Chris Stack" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Andrew Fries ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:55:00 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know CK sez: > Tonight I'm going to a candlelight vigil at Emory > U. in Atlanta after a campus showing of the doc > film, "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk". I was at the vigil in DC last night. 'Twas quite moving. Hope it helps... jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:45:37 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know This one really got me thinking & although I'm undoubtably revealing my age: "End Of The Rainbow"- Richard Thompson (197?) "Expecting To Fly" - Buffallo Springfield (Neil Young) 1968 "Comin Back To Me" - Jefferson Airplane 1967 .....& unquestionably what I think is the saddest (but most beautiful) song: "Caroline No" - Brian Wilson 1966 Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:52:59 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: what poster signing??? C. K. Coney [ckc2@mindspring.com] wrote: >> I don't think anyone is at "fault" here. Well, there is fault here, a fault of miscommunication. Apparently not everyone involved was on the same page for this, and a few "customers" waited around for an announced occurrence that failed to happen. My disappointment thereof is a piddle in the ocean compared to my enjoyment of the show. I think Samson is doing a pretty good job overall and seem to be open for suggestions for improvement (don't see too many new web site complaints, for instance) (hope I didn't just start something). But they can't improve if people don't point out their missteps. And I guess we've pretty much accomplished that, at least here, haven't we? Sort of reminds me of a Peter Gabriel concert some years ago, they started a song too fast and Peter stopped it, had a few words with the band then told the audience: "We go professional *next* week". fog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:38:34 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: "Uncut" free 4AD cd More on the "Uncut" 4AD CD: Whoever bought the magazine with the CD must live in England, because in general, it isn't even out on the shelves yet in New York City. After work today I went around to numerous magazine shops and music stores, to find that they either had only October's issue or were sold out of that issue. The only exception was the Virgin Megastore on 14th St., which had a stack of November *Uncut*s (the Times Square store hadn't received theirs yet). Since Virgin is British-owned, I'm not surprised they had received theirs ahead of everyone else. The issue has a banner across the top of the cover proclaiming the "FREE 4AD CD!"--but at the Virgin Megastore, no CDs were attached. I wonder if there will be any when all the other stores get their November issues. - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:38:40 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know In a message dated 10/15/98 8:27:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maryb@sco.COM writes: << I think that saddest song I know is "it's not easy being green" by kermit the frog....really!!! i know it sounds corny, but it is a really sad song...... >> I totally agree! it's not just the being *greeen*thing.......it's just being different.... and not accepted for you who you are........ Jill ;D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:03:45 -0400 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know - -----Original Message----- From: C. K. Coney To: ecto@smoe.org Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 4:31 PM Subject: Saddest Song You Know >What are the saddest songs you know? I want to >play them, because my heart is heavy today. I'm >sad even though I've done something in reaction to >the brutal murder by homophobes of Matt Shepard in >Wyoming... In light of those circumstances, I turned to my old friends Spirit, and their song "Mechanical World" from their first album in 1968. Let it segue into the next song... Extra sad because we lost Randy Weiss last year. Another song that brings me tears is Enya's "Exile", from Watermark. My condolences to the human race for this cowardly act. We have such a long way to go, collectively. Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:49:49 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Mila Drumke Friday night, NYC Maybe I just missed the posting, but it seems that nobody posted Mila Drumke's recent mailing of her New York City concert dates. I threw my copy away, but here's the essence: Friday Oct. 16, 10pm - Arlene Grocery (95 Stanton St., one block south of Houston between Ludlow & Orchard) Thursday Nov. 19, 8pm - Mercury Lounge (217 E. Houston at Avenue A) In this week's *Time Out New York* Mila is featured in a nice little write-up, which mentions the show tomorrow night--so it's likely to be crowded. The schedule for the entire evening, if it means anything to anyone, is: 7:00   Lee Charlston 8:00 Spindale 9:00 The Monaghans 10:00 Mila Drumke 11:00 Iridesense 12:00 Delores Slim 1:00 Ambulance - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 19:44:58 PDT From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Victoria - ---------- > What are the saddest songs you know? Victoria William's cover of The Williams Brother's Can't Cry Hard Enough works for me. Sanvean was a particular good choice Carol, though personally I find it to be one of the most emotional songs--not necessarily just sad. I also love Lucy Kaplansky's Still Life--it reminds me of a time in my life where I felt particularly frozen. Her emotionless tone as she sings it just heightens the emotion in the song for me. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 19:58:52 PDT From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Was Re: Cry Cry Cry and Latest Susan Werner, now Robertson Davies Java Ho writes: > >Oh my! Roberston Davies is my favourite author. I'm assuming you know that > >World of Wonders is part of the Depford Trilogy. The other two are Fifth > >Business and The Manticore (or something like that...I've loaned it to a > >friend, so this is from memory). I've read it three or four times, and it > >still stands up as wonderful storytelling. What's Bred in the Bone is also an > >intricate bit of storytelling. > > > >Any other Robertson Davies fans out there? As Neal said, I have read the first two books. This is my first reading of any of Davies books and I'm really enjoying them. Jonathon Carrol's recommendation first piqued my interest, then I read John Irving's Trying to Save Piggy Sneed, in which, in one of the memoirs, John talks about his relationship with Robertson Davies. After hearing what an influence Davies had on Irving I knew I had to read him. (Irving's son thought that Davies was God when he first caught sight of him at a wedding). I loved how in the first book, Fifth Business, he was able to capture so much time and history in so little a chapter. As it moved through history it reminded me of several different authors including John Irving, Pat Barker, Graham Greene, and even Gary Jennings (though the subjectof the traveling magic show was the only real Jennings comparison--similar to his book Spangle. Fortunately Davies has more skill than Jennings and doesn't have to kill off characters in really violent ways to resolve all conflicts.) Fifth Business is really wide and encompassing, and The Manticore is really focused,at least on the physical level, but really expansive on the mental level. One of the most convincing depictions of a character's personal growth and transformation that I've read. I was slightly disappointed that he chose Dunstan Ramsey as the narrator for the last book, I thought Liesl would have been more interesting, but Ramsey is obviously closer to Davie's personal experience. But once I got over that initial disappoint I'm really enjoying it. I'll definitely have to check out more of his works. Jeff Hanson (who's probably going to go finish reading World of Wonders now instead of doing his homework like he should) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:15:22 -0400 From: Matthew Levy Subject: Echoes Radio Show featuring Happy! Delurking once again... I'm surprised no-one mentioned that yesterday's Echoes Radio Show featured Happy Rhodes, complete with interview, interspersed song snippets, and "100 Years" as the featured song. Pretty interesting interview! I have the whole thing taped since I listen to the tapes when I study. When I get some free time, which may not be for awhile, I'll transcribe the interview. Matt (Ectophilic stressed-out medical student) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:34:17 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Ones that do it for me: "Don't Give Up" by Peter Gabriel "Hurt" by Nine Inch Nails (especially the live boots w/ Bowie) "Without You" mostly as done by Nilsson (though others with do) Any number of traditional Jewish songs and... the number-one gets-me-everytime what-the-hell-I-was-12-when-I-heard-it: "Mandy" as done by Barry Manilow - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:30:01 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: what poster signing??? >On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Blair wrote: > >> I don't think so--it looked to me as if those were e-mail addresses they >> got from people who had gone to the site and indicated some interest in >> Happy. I received the mailing, and it was directed specifically to my ecto subscription name (which, btw, is not my mailer default - and hence not the one from which I usually post *or* the one in my sig. I'm too forgetful to switch when I respond ); it's not the address I generally use when signing up for advertising mail on sites ... plus, I'm fairly sure I never signed up for anything at Samson's site. When I received the notice, I recall thinking it was odd at the time, and simply deleting it. Altho, on net mailing lists, one can't judge concert attendence by geographic location, but Chicago, IL (home of ecto-mama) *is* included in my sig. marketing-wise, it is generally wise to target your mailings ... since they ignored obvious geography, I'd guess it *was* cherrypicked off the ecto list in some way. > ... Their main mistake was not putting the list in the "Bcc:" field so >> they wouldn't show up in the address header. amazing how one gets tripped up by small netiquette errors like that . re: spamming ecto. I'm not complaining. I *am* signed up on the Happy Rhodes discussion list. But, it would seem a more intelligent and environment-aware action to post *one* announcement to the list - which can be assumed, by default, to be interested in Happy's music - than 1) do something potentially annoying, and not only that, 2) promise something that was unconfirmed with the artist at the time. (I realize it happens a lot. Our local NPR station in Chicago promised tickets to a Celtic concert as pledge premiums; I had already purchased a pair myself, but pledged an appropriate amount, intending to introduce a friend to the music. When I got to the venue, a chat with the talent booker revealed that the station didnt' even contact the venue *about* tickets until after they had sold the pledges. And then, the seats were really poor, back by the lighting booth. plus, the 'between concert reception' - although they never stated it was with the artist - was a reception for the pledgers/ticket holders. ... I freely and shallowly admit that that has kept me from pledging to the station ever since.) Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:45:18 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know JavaHo@aol.com wrote: > > Hands down: "February" by Dar Williams from Mortal City. Could have been > written word for word about the demise of my marriage...just faded in to a > cold, grey, February. Sent to me by my good friend Richard, who knew how it > would be received. Ouch... that reminds me of when my parents broke up. I sent my father a 45 of either Elvis or Richard Harris singing "My Boy", which beat anything I could say... - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:32:48 -0400 From: meredith Subject: the note from samson Hi! I've really got to get to sleep, I've got a ton to write about but not tonight. I did just want to pop in with a clarification before you all lynch-mob Samson over the note that went to the ectophiles about the Troy signing that wasn't. A couple days before the show Kevin from Samson sent me a note off-list asking how to get a note to the Troy-area ectophiles. I recommended he just send whatever he had to the list proper, since it's practically impossible to determine just from looking at an e-dress where somebody lives. I'm not sure how he figured out which e-dresses to send the note to, but I'm sure he got the list using majordomo. (I believe Kevin is subscribed to the ecto digest, and anyone on the list can get all of the e-dresses of the subscribers by sending a simple "who ecto" command to majordomo@smoe.org.) I was privileged to meet Richard Musil, the president of Samson Music at the NYC show. He seemed to me to be genuinely concerned with Happy's success. I have no doubt that our comments and suggestions and recommendations are being heard. And now ... to sleep. Perchance to dream. Hope to see some of you at the Nields/Richard Shindell/Pamela Means show tomorrow night! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know > What are the saddest songs you know? The Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde Im Abendrot from Strauss' Four Last Song and, though not "songs", Mahler's 9th Symphony and Berg's Violion Concerto. If drums and guitar are a must...Joy Division's Atmosphere. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:05:12 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: saddest song Hi! Did I say I was going to bed? Hands-down the most depressing song I've ever heard is Iris DeMent's "No Time To Cry". I cannot listen to that song without totally losing it, which is really inconvenient when you're driving in traffic. The other saddest song I can think of off the top of my head is Dar Williams' "End Of the Summer". Summer is my favorite season, and this time of year always bums me out. That song captures everything that brings me down about the coming of the fall and kills me every time. There are others, but I can't think of them now ... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know People have mentioned "February" and "The End of the Summer" by Dar Williams. Add "Mortal City" and "If I Wrote You" and "When Sal's Burned Down" and... wow, no wonder when she got together a project to record some of her favorite songs, it ended up being called Cry Cry Cry. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org/ "Isn't it a shame, that someone so crazy could go so insane?" -- The Nields, "James" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:36:26 -0400 From: "Chris Stack" Subject: re: saddest song I was driving the other day and fumbling through my glove compartment for a tape to play. I picked one at random. It happened to be one I compiled myself, containing a bunch of my favorite songs by various artists. I hadn't listened to it for about a year. /Backstory Interlude/ This past spring, it turned out that the one I thought was THE ONE was not THE ONE. I'm ok now, but it was a little rough for a while. /End Backstory/ Anyway, I put the tape in. Listening to Mouthmusic, David Sylvian, Dead Can Dance...and then it hit me like a one-two punch. Never be mine - Kate Bush River - Joni Mitchell AArgh...a temporary cloud, but it was driven away by the rest of the songs on the tape. ========================== Chris ========================== Understanding that which is at our door is the first step towards understanding that which lies beyond. -Hypatia ========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:55:11 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know In a message "Saddest Song You Know" on 15/Oct/1998 16:23:04 C. K. Coney says: > What are the saddest songs you know? Carol, you'll probably know this one: This Mortal Coil - " Mr Somewhere"... Something more obscure: Paradise Motel - "Ashes" (some Australians and people I made tapes for might be familiar with this one) Something utterly unknown: Ana Christensen - "Memories replacing friends"... Ana was a local artist who unfortunately no longer seems to perform. This song dates from around 92 and it deals with ageing and loss - brings me to tears every time... Something slightly cheesy but so what - Lava Hay - "Midnight sun"... anyone remember that one? And how about Happy's "The first to cry" for a healthy dose of self-pity... Ah, now I'm getting depressed too! __________________________________________________ There are two rules for ultimate success in life. 1. Never tell everything you know. http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #369 **************************