From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #330 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 16 1998 Volume 04 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Heather Nova & Rolling Stone ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Peter Gabriel's "Eve" [Dirk Kastens ] Please Re-post Sarah lyrics ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Chicago area folks: Celtic Fest Chicago ["C. K. Coney" ] cranes news (fwd) [dmw ] Re: Possession [Kim Justice ] HNIA's KING OF SWEET [irvin lin ] throwing muses [irvin lin ] TORI, JANE, LORI, BETH, DAMON & NAOMI, BELLE & SEBASTIAN, COURTNEY & KATHLEEN, MORE CD'S, PATTY [irvi] CDs [Greg Dunn ] Re: throwing muses [Horter!!!! ] Re: TORI, JANE, LORI, BETH, DAMON & NAOMI, BELLE & SEBASTIAN, COURTNEY & KATHLEEN, MORE CD'S, PATTY [Michael Co] Re: Possession [Richard Holmes ] Happy Tourdates on Samson Site ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Veda Tour?!?!?! [Stephany Burge ] Inaccessible web sites ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:19:26 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Heather Nova & Rolling Stone At 01:56 PM 9/15/98 -0700, Richard Holmes wrote: >> Eponine said: >> P.S. Doesn't Heather Nova ever come up in conversation? She is >> worthy of SO MUCH MORE attention than she has gotten. I just don't >> understand that at all. I mean, she's even pretty. She's got the >> whole package: she's cover-of-Rolling-Stone material in every way. > >I couldn't care less about how she looks on "Rolling Stone" (and I don't >think you do, really, either), but Heather Nova *is* one person I found >out about first here. Got tired of hearing about her so much I had to >buy her albums. Good thing I did. Same here. Ilka, I believe, (or was it Klaus and Claudia?) first talked about Heather Nova years ago. I love everything I have (don't have the new one yet), and I do like "Walk This World." If Heather (or, Goddess forbid, Happy) should ever be asked to appear on the cover of the Rolling Stone, I hope they have the gumption to tell the photographer to go fuck himself if he tries to get them to take their clothes off. I am sick to death of seeing women on there naked, in the process of disrobing (recent Shania) or scantily clad. This week's cover of Janet Jackson's fake boobs* in my face was almost enough to make me cancel my subscription. I get it because they occasionally have good music reviews, and movie reviews, and the rare decent article, and I want to be subscribed just in case they happen to mention someone I'm really into (like the well-researched major article on Jeff Buckley last year). I'm not inclined to write and complain because I'd just be written off as a feminist prude. I'm no prude (hey, I used to work in an X-rated theater!), I just hate their covers. Vickie (*who can't understand why any woman who hasn't had a mastectomy would get her breasts sliced open and have 2 fake looking balloons shoved under the skin. Implants *always* look fake, and I can't even imagine what they feel like in a sexual situation. Ugh.) np: Heather Nova - Oyster nr: Tears of Rage - John Walsh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:42:14 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel's "Eve" At 22:27 15.09.98 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: >Is there a website or something with the solutions to the "games"? I'd >love to experience the art on the CD, but, lacking either infinite >patience or a telepathic link to the designer, gave up in frustration. Yes. If you don't know where to go or what to do next, you'll get a hint number through the help menu. Then you can look up the hint at http://realworld.on.net/eve/index.html Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:49:53 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Sarah in Starr Report Joseph Zitt wrote: > n.p. John Zorn: The Bribe (another of the CDs I grabbed today). > I love John Zorn! I had a chance to catch him live with Masada about a year ago in Atlanta...a large venue (Variety Playhouse) with *maybe* 100 folks in attendance. It's a shame he isn't better known around here...and yes, the show was amazing! They played their asses off despite the small turnout. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:01:13 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Please Re-post Sarah lyrics Oops...I deleted a ton o' messages and also "took out the trash" yesterday. Then I noticed the lyrics for "Do What You Have to Do" aren't included in cd "Surfacing". (I just *had* to play it again, even though I don't like it.) Can someone repost the message (or email me privately) with the complete lyrics to Monica and Bill's song? Thanks in advance! Carol n.p. in my head: the next "Surfacing" track that goes something like "Will we burn in hell like we burn on earth?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:06:28 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Chicago area folks: Celtic Fest Chicago Xenu's Sister wrote: > This weekend Chicago will host the 2nd annual Celtic Fest > in Grant Park. Information, including schedules can be > found at: > > http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Tourism/Festivals/Celtic/ > > I'm sure all the groups are good, but these two especially > caught my eye for Saturday night: > > 7:15 PM - Capercaille > 8:30 PM - The Donal Lunny Band > > I've been a long-time fan of Capercaillie, but had never seen > them live until this past summer's Fleadh, where their set > was a highlight in a glorious day full of highlights. Anyone > in the Chicago area should try not to miss this *free* show. > > I haven't seen The Donal Lunny Band, but as far as I'm > concerned, anyone who's been in such great bands (Planxty, > Bothy Band, Moving Hearts) and who's worked with such > great musicians (including Loreena McKennitt, Altan, Sharon > Shannon and, of course, our dear KaTe) is worth seeing. > I agree about both! I wish there would be a good Celtic fest here in Atlanta. I just read in the Sunday paper that there's an excellent Celtic fest next month in Nova Scotia...Altan and Sharon Shannon are two of the acts mentioned in that line-up. What a nice vacation that would make...I hear Nova Scotia is particularly beautiful in autumn. So a question: Has Kate ever done any more songs in Gaelic beyond the one that's on that Modern Irish Music compilation produced by Donal Lunny? That is one of my fave songs sung by Kate ever...simply breathtaking! Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:30:00 +0100 From: "Bridges, Martin" Subject: Sarah & Tori Hi all, Carol wrote: > > n.p. in my head: the next "Surfacing" track that > goes something like "Will we burn in hell like we > burn on earth?" > I seem to remember it as "Will we burn in heaven, like we do down here?", though I could be remembering a different fragment. Actually, that's one of the few songs on Surfacing that stand out in my memory, mainly because it seems to be one of the few that actually has any "edge" (not sure what word I'm looking for, but the words that come to mind about the rest of the album are dull, fluffy, blunt, grey). This debate about Surfacing is really interesting. I don't want to get involved in a "Let's knock Sarah" session because I still rate her very highly as an artist. But I have real clear memories associated to this CD. My wife and I were on honeymoon in the States (from the UK) at the time it came out, and I remember being very excited about being able to buy it in a record store in San Francisco the day it came out. I remember the frustration at having to wait 2 weeks till we got home and I could play it. Then I remember playing it frequently over the next few days before it fell off my CD rotation and didn't get back on. I still really like the groove to Building a Mystery and the odd bit of some of the songs, but on the whole it's very forgettable. Still, I listen to Fumbling Towards Ecstacy a lot still, and that still involves me. And I am so looking forward to the Lilith show in London next week! Just seven days to go! And to join another topic (just to be annoying), my thoughts on the Tori debate: BfP blows me away big time, FtCH does very little for me. I love the variety and intensity on BfP. Some of the ideas on there are ones which I would have loved to see developed further (the gospel choir, the brass band). Probably just shades the previous 2 albums in my mind. On the other hand, FtCH just hasn't clicked with me. I put it in the car for a long-ish road trip (by UK standards - just a couple of hundred miles!), played it a couple of times but didn't feel the urge to keep going. Nothing much stands out for me. I like the power and drive of Raspberry Swirl (I know some people hate it) but nothing else jumps out. I really don't like She's Your Cocaine for some reason. The one resemblance I picked out was a bit of an echo back to Y Kant Tori Read, for some bizarre reason. Anyway, I've rambled for way too long - just trying to avoid work I guess. Cherio, Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: cranes news (fwd) since i think i just saw the topic of 'ecto goth' flit by, i thought i'd pass this on... ;> - -- d. - - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/ - - new reviews! tunes, books, flicks, etc. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: cranes@busop.wayne.edu Subject: cranes news (important!) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:19:50 -0400 To: Living and Breathing From: Mike Dare Below is the latest newsletter from the Cranes. - ------------------------ September 1998 Dear Everybody, Hello again ! Thank you all very much for all the kind messages you leave us on these pages and for all your support in the last few months. Well, we wanted to let you know what is happening with cranes and to let you know about some releases that we have been thinking about recently... We are considering starting up our own label and releasing a mini album which would be available directly to you, only via internet and mail order. There is also to be a little hand bound book entitled 'Til the Stars Shine' containing lyrics to songs from all of our albums. ( This has been requested many times over the years ) The thing is, we don't know how many ( if any ! ) people would be interested in such items, so we wanted to ask for your help. So, if you think you would be interested in buying either of these things, could you please fill out the Album Request Form at http://www.cranes-fan.com/album/ We are not signed to any label so in order to make these releases a reality there would have to be a certain amount of interest. The CD and the book would be available in November 98. We can only proceed if you want us to, so if you would be interested in being able to buy these items from us directly , please let us know now !!! There would be a new web-page linked to all our other sites and we would be able to accept payment by Visa / Mastercard. That's the plan. But we can only go ahead with producing these items if there is a reasonable demand for them. So please let us know as soon as possible ! Well, here's our other news ... In July we made some demo recordings for RCA records. We went to a studio in Surrey and recorded some new songs. However, we have now learned that RCA was looking for something more "radio orientated" than we were able to provide, so it looks as though we will not be proceeding along that avenue. We may get involved with other projects in the future but we would still like to continue with Cranes as well so that's why we are writing to you now about the possibility of doing things on our own label. Also this year in June, Ali went to Los Angeles and had meetings with some film directors who are interested in using Cranes music in the future. We have been contacted with regard to possibly providing the soundtracks to two different film projects in the future and are very excited about this. In the meantime 'Shining Road' has been placed in a new feature film called 'Claudine's Return' which is due to be released in the USA this year, so look out for that one ! Jim has been working on a classical music piece which is very interesting. We are hoping to release it maybe next year, again, on our own label via internet and mail order if that becomes a reality. Thank you to everyone who came to the Swiss shows in May ! We had a lovely time and it was lovely to see our friends again. Thanks to Oliver Blankenheim for the great live pictures he took (some of the best we've seen), and to Sabine, Jean and Marie, and Christophe for their support. The Zurich show was fun. Thanks so much for coming to see us ! And finally, Congratulations to our own dear Mark Francombe who was married to Christine in Norway on Sept 5 ! We wish them both a wonderful life together and send all our love. Well, that's all our news. We really hope you are all well and happy and hope that we can bring you some new Cranes things soon. Don't forget, if you'd be interested in purchasing items via a new Cranes web-based label, please let us know as soon as possible ! Bye for now ! Lots of love as always , cranes xxxxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Justice Subject: Re: Possession I would pay money to hear Henry Rollins do a cover version of "Possession". I'm pretty sure that would adequately express the original intent of the song. kj - -- justicek@edge.net (Kim Justice) http://edge.edge.net/~justicek We're pitting our pink fuzzy pig against their Wienermobile. And in the hearts and minds of the children, we know they will choose our pig. -- Bruce Friedrich (PETA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:56:15 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: HNIA's KING OF SWEET Hey to all HIS NAME IS CONTRIVED fans. whoops, i mean HIS NAME IS ALIVE. :) i ran across an original pressing of KING OF SWEET, and i thought maybe a fan out there in ECTOLAND would like it. i didn't pick it up because it was $25 but i could pick it up for someone, if they wanted me to. or if you are in the bay area, check it out at AMOEBA RECORDS on HAIGHT STREET here in SF (not the one in berkeley). email me soon though, i don't know if anyone is going to snatch it up. those suckers are kinda rare. only 2000 pressed (hmmm...it a CD, so i guess the actual verb is "burned" right? you record a tape, press a record and burn a CD) irvin iflin@sirius.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:56:45 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: throwing muses THROWING MUSES are amazing, one of my all time fave bands. SO glad that they are being brought up. first time listeners should get THE REAL RAMONA. accessible, but still with the trademark swirling angular guitar sounds, KRISTIN's amazing stunning lyrics fantastic vocals, and signature complex song structures. the blend of tanya donelly's songs and vocal harmonizations add as well (this being her last album with them). either work your way forward: RED HEAVEN being more of a mainstream ROCK album, which a lot of people felt wasn't up to par with the rest of their stuff; in truth the album is wonderful, but must be taken as a slight anomaly compared to their more quirkier albums. UNIVERSITY being the album that came after KRISTIN's first solo album and which was to be (and alas wasn't) their breakthrough album. KRISTIN's solo album did so well, that this one was postponed in release time, so that KRISTIN could fully promote the album with a tour and all. UNIVERSITY can be seen as a blend between KRISTIN's solo work, and a full THROWING MUSES band album. there are parts of the album that are more sparse and introspective than anything previously done by TM. and there are part that are just as dense and amazingly rich. LIMBO their last full band album, lacked a little bit i feel, but was a direct extension of UNIVERSITY. a bit perkier and with some killer lead singles (RUTHIE's KNOCKING is so damn catchy!) it is well worth checking out and is pretty accessible, if not completely mainstream in an alternapop sense. or journey backwards with HUNKPAPA, a catchy punky pop album, closer in sound to the real ramona, this was their first album that KRISTIN intentionally marketed and wrote songs for to be a "hit." the completely catchy song DIZZY was written expressly to be marketed as a single (it did well in the college radio market, but never made a dent elsewhere). KRISTIN actually hates DIZZY won't play it live. i think it is a great pop song though. HOUSE TORNADO, their second album, is amazing, probably one of the most complex sounding albums that i own, and not necessarily the first one that i would recommend. but well worth working up to. when TM was around, they rarely played stuff off of that album. couple years back i read on SUBBACULTCHA (mailing list for PIXIES and THROWING MUSES offshoot bands) that someone went to a TM show and yelled for them to play something off of HOUSE TORNADO. KRISTIN replied back "YOU play something off of HOUSE TORNADO. that album is so fucking hard to play" crack me up. later on tour though, Kristin had added a song from HOUSE TORNADO to the set list (MARRIAGE TREE maybe?) to their first album (which they just re-released with the 2 disk set IN ADOGHOUSE) and listen to how young KRISTIN sounds. total pop punk. way way way before their time. OH yeah and i missed THE FAT SKIER and CHAINS CHANGED. both fantastic, but more of a collectors item material really. by the way, early THROWING MUSES is notable, not just because TANYA DONELLY (founding member of THE BREEDERS, BELLY, and solo artist) is a part of the band, but also because LESLIE LANGSTON one of the most amazing bassist ever was in the band. by the way DAVID NARCIZ0 another founding member is pursuing a solo project. anyone have info on that? and if you haven't KRISTIN's solo work is amazing. as for the sound, thing of a quirkier darker BELLY (which makes sense, as TANYA was in the band in the beginning, and learned a lot from KRISTIN musically), or a introspective intense version of the BREEDERS. it really is too bad that they never got the commercial success that they deserved. i have said it before, back when the rockin' girl guitar band thing was all the rage in '94 - '95 with hits by BELLY, the BREEDERS, VERUCA SALT, LETTERS TO CLEO, etc. happening left and right, if THROWING MUSES had made a BUZZ BIN cut, they would be one of the few bands that probably would have had staying power. but alas MTV wasn't smart enough. now the fate of girls with guitars is led by LILITH FAIR. hmmmm...maybe KRISTIN can fair better solo and then revive THROWING MUSES.... irvin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:56:41 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: TORI, JANE, LORI, BETH, DAMON & NAOMI, BELLE & SEBASTIAN, COURTNEY & KATHLEEN, MORE CD'S, PATTY i would just like to state for the record, and for EPONINE's knowledge too, since she wasn't on the list when i made the comment, that i TOO used the phrase "masturbatory" when describing TORI's BOYS FOR PELE album. THANK YOU EPONINE for validating this description by using the EXACT SAME WORDING. rock on. i would also like to state for the records, that music does not have to accessible to be appreciated for me. sure i like pop music, but consistantly my favorite albums have been ones that have the ability for multiple reads, the albums that are rich and complex (JANE SIBERRY's THE WALKING, KATE BUSH's THE DREAMING or HOUNDS OF LOVE/NINTH WAVE, NATALIE IMBRUGLIA's LEFT OF THE MIDDLE, THROWING MUSES' HOUSE TORNADO, - just kidding about that second to last one kids!) so it's not that that is keeping me from appreciating BfP. nope. i just i think it sucks. that's all. (okay okay i am simplifying...) i am not going to go further. if you want more info about how i feel check out the archives of ecto at http://www.smoe.org i am sure you can find more than enough about what i feel about said album there. i also would like to say that i LOVE LOVE LOVE JANE SIBERRY's BOUND BY THE BEAUTY, and VALERIE you should fast forward to the songs HOCKEY (my all time favorite JANE SONG, though i flip back and forth between that song and the song THE WALKING) and THE LIFE IS A RED WAGON. i am suprised that you (meaning you specifically VALERIE) don't like it, since you like country music (ahem, GARTH BROOKS!??!), and that album is probably the closest to country she gets. but of course BtB will always have a special place in my heart. it was the first JANE album i ever heard, when i randomly picked it up at the local library. it was just sitting there and i thought, hey why not? has a cool looking chick on the cover, and it looks vaguely familiar (i later realized that the reason it looked familiar was because i had seen it at the local CAMELOT MUSIC in the mall). i fell in love with the freshness and the clarity of the album, of the sheer spontaneity that it invoked. and HOCKEY, that song is WINTER (i totally agree with whoever said that) to me. i can feel the cold wind rush through my clothing, and me bundling under a huge wool sweater, wading through snow, with barren tree branches above me. i can almost feel the ice skates underneath my feet as i skate across the lake (okay i have never skated across a lake in my life, but this song makes me feel like i have, like it is yearly occurence in my life). that is how much i love that song. i immediately bought anything i could get my hands on by ms JANE, (at one time i was in the local independent store and found NO BORDERS HERE and her first album JANE SIBERRY in the SIBERRY section and i bought them on the spot, at FULL RETAIL which if you know me, is HIGHLY HIGHLY inconsistant with my shopping methodology - i NEVER pay full retail, and rarely even buy NEW, truth be told) and loved it all. well everything except NO BORDERS HERE (way to 80's synth for me, and that mimi on the beach mimi on the beach mimi on the beach mimi on the beach mimi on the beach mimi on the beach mimi on the beach enough already! but i still love parts of that album). funny thing. i bought all the jane albums that were released up to BtB but it took me years to actually buy that actual CD that started it all. i had taped it from that said LIBRARY CD and listened to it on tape for years and years. finally after accumulating everything i could find in the stores, i ran across a cheap copy of it used and purchased it. as for new JANE, well the most current issue of PULSE has a little bit about JANE in it (in an article about independent artists and their labels). not any new info there, but you might want to check out her website http://www.sheeba.ca for more information. dunno if her distribution deal fell through with KOCH, but the article said that all her music will ONLY be available via her website (and being a magazine produced from a records store chain TOWER, they didn't bother to list the address of said website. duh.) last i heard though, she had just finished a book of poetry? and count me in as someone who wants to hear about tour dates for LORI CARSON! LORI is amazing, and i would love to hear her live. i find a lot of similarities to her and BETH ORTON, from the folksy guitar based music with slight electronica production laided underneath, to the lost love theme and emotionality of hurt and sorrow, to the fact that they both have previously released debut albums that are impossible to get (BETH's SUPERMANDYPINKY is only available in JAPAN, and LORI's SHELTER is out of print), to the fact that they collaborated with big time musicians/producers before really coming into their own musically (BETH with WILLIAM ORBIT, and LORI with ANTON FIER). for fans of either, i highly recommend checking out the other if you haven't already. For those in the BAY AREA, there is going to be a freebie show at AMOEBA MUSIC in SF on HAIGHT of DAMON & NAOMI on wednesday, sept30th at 5:30. i would highly recommend going to it if you have a chance. i dunno if i can make it there after work, but i am going to try my darndest! they are amazing, and make the most beautiful melancholic music. and does anyone have the NEW BELLE & SEBASTIAN album yet? is it as wonderful as IF YOU'RE FEELING SINISTER? i love that album. are there other B&S fans out there? they are probably my new drug of choice at the moment. musically they are akin to a mellow version of the HOUSEMARTINS perhaps, but their lyrics are amazingly thoughtprovoking, and so damn catchy. damn fine music. also i fear my gossip has gotten ahead of me. i was factually wrong awhile back. COURTNEY LOVE was never in a band with KATHLEEN HANNA from BIKINI KILL. she was in a band with member of BABES IN TOYLAND. sorry i don't BELIEVE that i mixed that up. ah well. but the gist of that post is that there is no love lost between KATHLEEN and COURTNEY, which is true. during the LOLLAPALOOZA that HOLE was headlining, COURTNEY punched out KATHLEEN backstage. sorry to get the facts wrong though you all. speaking of KATHLEEN HANNA and BIKINI KILL, does anyone have KATHLEEN's latest endeavor JULIE RUIN? i hear it is more slick, or at least that is what i perceived in the article that i read about her in OUT magazine. just wondering i have been on a horrible shopping spree and have purchased way too many CD's (with special finds being: promo single by MARY LOU LORD THE PACE OF CHANGE ep, the latest PHIL KRAUTH ONE, TWO, THREE..., the special paper digipak edition of RUFUS WAINWRIGHT CD, PIZZICATO FIVE live INSTANT REPLAY, an UNREST CD single, a THROWING MUSES single BRIGHT YELLO GUN, and the JENNIFER KIMBALL CD, a promo for $3 well worth it plus others.) i take back everything i said about San Francisco having sucky CD shops. everything. it rocks. everyone come out to the bay area, i will take you shopping! oh yeah, and someone else mentioned it, but the new PATTY GRIFFIN CD is great. except i hate the first song, which is also the title track FLAMING RED. i fast forward through it anytime i listen to it. stand out tracks for me are TONY and CHRISTINA. i also found a FIERCE promo single of PATTY's for EVERY LITTLE BIT. it is a beautiful BEAUTIFUL package with a very simple concept, a translucent vellum envelope with the CD in it and a sticker on the outside similar in look to the album cover back in texture (old dirty paper and old slightly decomposed type) but inside is a picture CD of PATTY and 20 or 30 slips of paper with phrases from the song typed on them. i have yet to assemble them to see if all the lyrics are there, but had to buy it because it was so wonderfully done. PROPS to A&M for creating such a gorgeous striking package for such a simple little promo single. that is all. isn't it enough? irvin np. RUFUS WAINWRIGHT nr. THE ELEPHANT VANISHES by HARUKI MURAKAMI - ------------ "homemade compilation tapes are the love-offerings of this generation. previously, young lovers slaved over poetry and letters...trying to get the words just right. but now there is an endless catalog of songs to explain our feelings for us. from 'i want to hold yer hand' to 'desperado' to nearly any song by mark eitzel...." -ed brubaker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: CDs "irvin lin said:" > > those suckers are kinda rare. only 2000 pressed (hmmm...it a CD, so i > guess the actual verb is "burned" right? you record a tape, press a > record and burn a CD) Just FYI, CD-R media are "burned" (i.e., the laser heats up and transforms the media), but conventional CDs are actually injection- molded like plastic model kits these days. I know, the thought of molding a disc with surface features of a size on the order of magnitude of a wavelength of light boggles my mind, too. It turns out to be a well-controlled and inexpensive process, though. - -- | Greg Dunn | I don't have low self-esteem. | | gregdunn@indy.net | It's a mistake; I have low | | gregdunn@aol.com | esteem for everybody else. | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Daria | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:30:13 -0400 From: Horter!!!! Subject: Re: throwing muses At 12:56 PM 9/15/98 -0700, you wrote: > by the way DAVID NARCIZ0 another founding member is pursuing a solo >project. anyone have info on that? and if you haven't KRISTIN's solo >work is amazing. From http://www.throwingmusic.com/newer/news.html#lakuna Lakuna David Narcizo has been hard at work on his new project ... 'Lakuna'. Recording is expected to be finished by the end of this summer with release expected through 4AD sometime in early 1999. According to David, this stuff is made out of record samples, live drums, keyboards, guitar and bass. There's no singing, but some vocal samples. More news will be posted as it becomes available. Their website is always an excellent place to find the latest on the Muses. Kristin and BillyO are very active on it. Also note, for the Kristin fans, that there is: More Kristin Hersh on the way We've slotted Kristin Hersh's Appalachian record for release late Oct.- early Nov...It will be a special, limited edition (quantity to be determined) and will be available only through the Web, 4AD mail order, and phone...Those of you with no credit cards will have plenty of time to send checks, and I should think that anyone who wants one of these will get one... For some time now Kristin has wanted to make a bare-bones, intimate recording of the songs she loved as a child. Remember this is *Kristin* as a child, and as a result this collection is to be as unique as she is. Depression-era Appalachian folk songs are what she was weaned on. This'll be a selection of the old "death, destruction, depression, and one or two weird lullabies for good measure" variety. It should be a digipak (that is, NOT a jewel box) and David Narcizo has promised us he'd do the artwork...It's tentatively titled "Murder, Misery, and then Goodnight" due to the high content of songs with the first two headings' subject matter as well as a few odd lullabies. Think of this record as K's "backwoods basement tapes"...a homemade recording of the songs her Dad used to sing her done the way she remembers them. It'll make a lovely gift for the holidays, from us to you... Nice to see artists so involved on the webside of things. Big ups to the muses, Tom np: something classical on public radio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: TORI, JANE, LORI, BETH, DAMON & NAOMI, BELLE & SEBASTIAN, COURTNEY & KATHLEEN, MORE CD'S, PATTY On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, irvin lin wrote: > oh yeah, and someone else mentioned it, but the new PATTY GRIFFIN CD is > great. except i hate the first song, which is also the title track > FLAMING RED. i fast forward through it anytime i listen to it. stand > out tracks for me are TONY and CHRISTINA. i also found a FIERCE promo I'm going to jump on the Patty Griffin bandwagon since she's getting some talk. the first single, "One Big Love" was getting an incredible amount of airplay in the boston area, so I picked up the album on the strength of what to me is an irresistibly catchy single! Since then, I must agree with Irivin about TONY and CHRISTINA being my two favorite songs of the pack as well (and synchronistically, irvin, TEAR IN YOUR HAND is my favorite Tori song as well!) AND I must also agree that the first song is just noise. A little too much wail, not enough singing. > np. RUFUS WAINWRIGHT Love this CD too! Michael n.p. Martha & the Muffins - Then Again (Love the new song, "Resurrection!") - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:39:55 -0700 From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Possession On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, "J." Wermont (JOYCE) wrote: > > "Possession," for instance, has that sort of > > warped intensity ("I'll kiss you so hard / I'll take your breath away" is > > *not* romantic in that song!) > >That's not how that song struck me at all when I first heard it (before >learning what it was about). I thought it *was* a passionate love song. Maybe >not romantic exactly, which tends to be softer and more tender, but with >a harder more desperate edge, which people in passionate love can certainly >feel. Love and sexual need certainly has its dark side. And anyway, I didn't >necessarily even hear it as "dark," because I heard the line "take your >breath away" not as a threat of suffocation, but that she wanted to thrill >her lover so much that it took his breath away. And at the time I remember >feeling like "you go, girl" for writing such an openly lustful, desirous >lyric. I found it kind of thrilling myself! > >So I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it was from the point >of view of a warped fan, and that she didn't really approve of such desire. >Her own love songs tend to be a lot more milquetoast in general. Too bad! I had some of the same reaction as you did to Posession. All the time I thought, "here's someone who's making a strong statement about her passion, who's not pussy-footing around". None of this "I'll sit and mope around and wait for you to love me while you treat me like shit and I shut up and take it and whine it all only makes me love you more and poor me that I can't get over it and I don't have the spine to call you the f***ing a**hole that you are ----- I love you baby" crap. Anyway, some of Sarah's love songs move me, but I'm never totally comfortable with them. But that's kind of true with love songs in general for me. Having been married for 10 years and quite happily, thank you, it is hard for me to relate to the desparate, on-the-edge-of-ruin love songs - -- it has just been too long for me since I've been in that boat. I also have a problem with the "pine away forever" songs. Just lose the jerk and be done with it. I know, easier said than done. I wouldn't mind the songs so much except that *SO MANY* of 'em are cut from the same cloth. Anyway, it's not that I'm a hard-heart, its just that a lot of the love songs don't speak to things I can relate to. And many of them symbolize the kind of attitudes which make women think they should just sit down and let guys walk all over them. Sorry if I've offended anyone with these quickly-spewed thoughts... oh well. Thanks for listening. - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@ccrma.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "In the name of Annah the Allmaziful, the @ | Everliving, the Bringer of Plurabilities, haloed @ , , | , , be her eve, her singtime sung, her rill be run, @ ' ' ' ' ' unhemmed as it is uneven!" @ - J. J. @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:24:39 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Happy Tourdates on Samson Site I just got back from visiting the Samson Music website, and Happy's tourdates are listed! Yay! However, the only dates listed are in Bearsville, Philly and Troy. The NYC gig we heard about slated for the Museum of Television and Radio is not listed. Let's see if we can get some more info on that one asap! Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:27:27 -0700 From: Stephany Burge Subject: Re: Veda Tour?!?!?! Sun, Sep 13, 1998 at 02:09:56AM -0700, Drew Harrington writes... > Veda's going to be in SF? I've looked all over and none of the tour lists > give a venue for the SF show. It's barely two weeks away. You'd think they > have a venue booked by now - wouldn't you? > > Can someone help me (us) out here? From her website: http://n0place.com/veda/tour.html Sept 29. Scrappy Bitch Tour, SF The Coco Lounge In case any of the other SF people don't already know about "The List", you should check it out at: http://corp.excite.com/people/graham/the-list/ Thanks to whomever originally posted about the concert! - -stephany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:24:25 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Inaccessible web sites For months now I've been livid at the fact that the RAINN web site is completely inaccessible to anyone using a text-based browser such as Lynx, or a voice browser. I've written letters telling what the problems were and explaining how people are shut out. I finally wrote a scathing, angry letter slamming the web designers because I couldn't take it anymore, knowing that they were willfully turning people in pain away. They've all been ignored. I have no doubt that all the letters went directly to the web designers who threw them away. I finally took it upon myself to call the national headquarters and speak directly with the person in charge of the site. They were appalled to know that important information was being kept from potential users, and promised to do something about it. She took my e-mail address and said she'd write when she was told that the problems were taken care of. She said then I could check the site and tell her if the problems were indeed solved. Yay! A victory against web designers who think they're more important than the companies and customers they're supposed to be serving! Apparently the web site was out sourced to a web design company (why am I not surprised?) and nobody at RAINN was told that the site wasn't accessible. To their credit, the web design company donated the work (I found that out when I stressed that RAINN should *not* have to pay extra to make the site accessible) which is commendable, but doesn't excuse them. It just kills me that these web designers get away with partially running the company they've been hired to help. And yes, I consider willfully shutting people out of a site partially running the company. It's like hiring someone to set up a welcome booth in the lobby, but that person, unbeknownst to the company, stands at the front door and acts like a bouncer at Club 54. "You can come in" "You can't come in" just turning people away for no good reason! My next major goal is to try and contact John Walsh (I'm a big fan of his) directly, to tell him that people are being shut out of the America's Most Wanted site thanks to a scumbag company called carbon14. I call them scumbags because they did the same thing to the Habitat For Humanity site in Los Angeles. Habitat For Humanity! Of all the places that can't afford to turn people away, HFH is way up there. I can't believe it! This is what their (Habitat For Humanity) site looks like: Habitat for Humanity [LINK] [INLINE] [INLINE] [LINK][LINK] [INLINE] [LINK][LINK] [INLINE] [LINK][LINK] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] And that's it. It's downright sickening, isn't it? Vickie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #330 **************************