From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #282 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 04 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:Jewel & why some people here remain enamored [James Gurley ] Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album [Carolyn Andre ] Portland (OR) Ectogathering 8/22 [Michael Bowman ] Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album [Riphug@aol.com] Cordelia's Dad August Newsletter [Neile Graham ] Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists [Laura Clifford ] Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] 'Til the Dawn Breaks [Phil Sainty ] Re: 'Til the Dawn Breaks ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Eva Trout ["J." Wermont ] Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: [ferrick] Chicago date!! [Carolyn Andre ] Re: Portland (OR) Ectogathering 8/22 [Cheri Villines ] Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Gay/Straight Artists/Audiences [Riphug@aol.com] womyn's music [queen of carrot flowers ] Re: [ferrick] Chicago date!! ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Gurley Subject: Re:Jewel & why some people here remain enamored >Jerry Marrotta Who also played on BtC and MWABT. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:01:00 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Jewel & why some people here remain enamored On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 11:28:28AM -0400, ABershaw@aol.com wrote: > One correction on Jeff's statement about that aborted > 2nd album--The core studio band did not contain T-Bone > Burnett (who I personally like quite a bit!), but did feature > T-Bone Wolk, Marc Schulman & Jerry Marrotta. Ahh. Wrong T-Bone. (-: Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:15:53 -0700 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins "Frosty the Snowman" >> This song came up in conversation over the weekend. Does >> anyone know where and/or if this is available on CD? > >It's on the Cocteau Twins' _Snow_ EP, which I still see ocassionally in >stores. I also believe it showed up on some Christmas compilation called >_The Coolest Christmas_. > I could look this up confirm it, but just a little busy right now: I think Frosty appeared on one of the 'Volume' series as well. You know, those UK booklets with a cd attached? I think it was one of the older Volumes like #2 or something. *shrug* That's just off the top of my head.. I'd do some searching on the net before trusting anything I just said. :) brian the mooman brianb@mooman.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:18:22 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album obviously I'm braindead! I'm pretty sure the collaborative album by Lucy Kaplansky, Dar Williams & Richard Shindell has been discussed on here. But can't recall whether it has been released yet - or if Jill has posted the release date - or if anyone posted this info url. Young/Hunter mgt. has a website on the basics of the album at: http://www.crycrycry.com with the tracklist and a general press release ... Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bowman Subject: Portland (OR) Ectogathering 8/22 Cheri Villines will be in the Portland area this week and next. To celebrate, there will be an Ectogathering in Portland on Saturday the 22nd, at 6 PM. It will be at my apartment (735 SW St Clair Ave, Apt 1008; 295-2679). All are welcome. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu nr. Eric Hobsbawm. The Age of Revolution, 1789-1848 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:43:22 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album I'm guessing the album hasn't come out yet, because I just received word of a Cry Cry Cry tour. Here are the dates, as well as some other Dar dates: Thu, Dec 3, 1998 @ 7:30 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Boulder Theatre Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Boulder, CO Info: 303-443-5858 Fri, Dec 4, 1998 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Wheeler Opera House Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Aspen, CO Info: 970-525-2750 Sun, Jan 3, 1999 @ 7:30 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Christ Luthern Church Fellowship Hall Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Baltimore, MD Info: 410-922-5210 Sat, Jan 9, 1999 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Barrymore Theater Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Madison, WI Info: 608-255-4646 Tue, Jan 12, 1999 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Liberty Hall Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Lawrence, KS Info: 913-842-5278 Thu, Jan 14, 1999 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at The Ark Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Ann Arbor, MI Info: 734-761-1451 Sun, Feb 14, 1999 @ 7:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic) Dar Williams at Lincoln Theater Miami, FL Info: 877-669-2787 Sat, Apr 17, 1999 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic) Dar Williams at McCarter Theatre Princeton, NJ Info: 609-683-8000 Jill :D *share the music!* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:16:01 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Cordelia's Dad August Newsletter Some Cordelia's Dad news for those interested. - --Neile n.p. MWABT >X-Sender: Steeple@world.std.com (Unverified) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:38:25 -0400 >To: Cordelia88@aol.com >From: Steeple@world.std.com (Peter Irvine) >Subject: Cordelia's Dad August Newsletter > >Upcoming Cordelia's Dad concerts: > > >1) August 19, Tomorrow > Porter, Phelps, Huntington Museum, Hadley, MA. > Outdoor concert. Grounds open for picnicking at 5pm. Music at 6:30pm sharp. > Rain or shine -- if it rains, event will be indoors. 413-584-4699 > >2) October 19. Iron Horse, Northampton, MA (tentative). 1-800-THE-TICK. >Music at 8:30pm. Those familiar with the Iron Horse will note the unusual >starting time -- ours will be the only show that night, so we'll have a >chance to "stretch out". Also, WGBY may be taping some songs for inclusion >in their TV series, "Caught in the Act". > >3) October west coast. > We're playing the Tractor Tavern in Seattle on Oct. 29. then a wedding on >Oct. 31; tentatively followed by some dates in southern California (Santa >Monica, Laguna Niguel). > >4) February 1999 Albuquerque, NM. Kimo Theatre, Sunday, Feb. 28, as part >of a fundraising concert for the North American Folk Alliance. > > >Also, the related band, Zabe i Babe, will be doing some shows in the New >England area in late September. > >Peter Irvine > >Cordelia's Dad >and Io > >Cordelia88@aol.com >http://world.std.com/~steeple > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:37:59 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists Hi again, Since intelligent discussion is at a bare minimum on the actual Jewel list, I have to enjoy this while I can! ;-) Neile G said: < And: <> I can see why Neile feels like Jewel has never "proven herself" & I agree with that considering what has been released by so far. But I also think some may be overlooking one facet in this outlook. Thats Jewel's age. She's but a wee 24 years old. Consider the age of many of the artists embraced here on Ecto. I dare say many of them are a decade (or more) older than Jewel. Look where some of the above named artists were at musically when they were 19. Thats basically all of Jewel that Atlantic has released so far. (I sure miss the 60's marketing strategy when 2 or 3 albums a year by popular artists were commonplace. But those days are long gone, I guess....) I know I'm coming from a different perspective than most people, but I look at Jewel & see a prolific young songwriter developing before my eyes (or ears, rather). I see boundless potential & I think she still may pleasantly surprise many of you missing that 1994->96 era yet. She's certainly has lotsa years ahead to do it. Best wishes, Alan NP- Martinis & Bikinis-Sam Phillips ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:46:13 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists At 02:37 PM 08/18/1998 EDT, ABershaw@aol.com wrote: >Hi again, > Since intelligent discussion is at a bare minimum on the >actual Jewel list, I have to enjoy this while I can! ;-) > >Neile G said: >< >you were lucky enough to see her live before her career took off, you'd > >understand why people here have a fondness for her.> >And: >< >same scale as Happy, Tori, Kate, or Veda--she's never proven herself, and > >now I am certain never will.>> > > I can see why Neile feels like Jewel has never "proven herself" >& I agree with that considering what has been released by so far. > But I also think some may be overlooking one facet in this >outlook. Thats Jewel's age. She's but a wee 24 years old. Consider >the age of many of the artists embraced here on Ecto. I dare say >many of them are a decade (or more) older than Jewel. > Look where some of the above named artists were at >musically when they were 19. Kate Bush - 'The Kick Inside' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:54:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Jewel & the age of Ecto artists On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 ABershaw@aol.com wrote: > Look where some of the above named artists were at > musically when they were 19. Thats basically all of Jewel > that Atlantic has released so far. (I sure miss the 60's marketing > strategy when 2 or 3 albums a year by popular artists were commonplace. > But those days are long gone, I guess....) THere's been an interesting inversion in the CD industry: nowadays, new CDs by major label artists seem rather rare, but a lot of the indies and self-run labels put out avalanches of product. I think the reason for this is that at a certain reasonably low level of fame, given the low production costs and high prices of CDs, it's quite possible to make your money back on small runs, especially if you have enough people who will buy almost anything you put out and if you keep marketing costs,etc, to a minimum. This wasn't as possibile in the old days, given the expense of printing and shipping vinyl, along with fears of breakage and warping and the like, and of print media that wasn't likely to reach the audience. Nowadays, Net.marketing makes a lot of things possible in ways that weren't there a little while ago. OTOH, with a big act, after the relative pittance that goes into recording an album (given reasonable efficiency), the label has to front the money and resources for big promotion, touring, and all that. At the amount that that costs, slower releases make sense. It would be great if Jewel could release small run CDs of her early songs, just to get them out there to her big fans, who would be sure to buy almost all of them _and_ ther major label releases. For example, Sonic Youth's label (Geffen?) has allowed them to do this, releasing their even-less-commercial-than-usual stuff of their own label. It's worked pretty well for them. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:40:08 -0700 From: deanorez@juno.com Subject: Details of the Living Room Tour in LA, 8/22 Hello, everyone! Many of you will receive this more than once and, for that, I apologize... I'm announcing a Living Room Tour in Los Angeles on 8/22, at around 6pm. If you are not familiar with the concept of the LRT, go to . To make it easier, though, I'll explain in small detail. LRTs originated from the EDAs (Everyday Angels), Jewel's Internet-based mailing list although they have really nothing to do with her -- which, I know, some of you are relieved of. They really have much more to do with music appreciation in probably the most intimate of venues -- the home. Recently, these LRTs have gained national media exposure from SLAMM (Issue #63) and Rolling Stone Magazines -- as well as MTV Online. Here are the details... When: Saturday August 22, 1998; 6pm-TBD Where: the home of Larry Greenfield Confirmed Performers: Aife Wells, Beth Waters, Abby Travis, Pamela Goodchild, Essey Jensen, and Mary Dolan Unconfirmed Performers: Susan James, Cindy Wasserman, and Marcella Detroit Patronage: Please RSVP to Larry Greenfield or myself as soon as possible. We encourage you to bring your friends and family. Admission is a minimum $10/person which will be divided evenly between the artists. Additional donations are welcome and would be appreciated. Other Information: This will be a very casual gathering of music lovers, music professionals, and, of course, musicians. There is obviously no dress code but it is recommended that you bring warm clothing as this event is being held outdoors and will extend on through the night. Food & drink will be available. CD giveaways will also be taking place. * These artists (with the exception of Marcella Detroit) have confirmed to be attending the show and have expressed interest in future LRTs in Los Angeles. At this time, however, they have not decided on if they will perform. Marcella Detroit was approached to participate with Pamela Goodchild but no confirmation has been given to us at this time. Artist Information AIFE WELLS BIO: Aife (pronounced EE-VA) Wells is a true veteran of the Los Angeles music scene. Having grown up in Laurel Canyon right above the Sunset Strip with musician parents, you could say music is in her blood. Ever since she picked up a guitar as a teenager she has been setting ears afire with her blend of melody, emotion and heartfelt honesty. Searching for an opinion of Aife's talent as a singer/songwriter? Look no further than to the legendary Iggy Pop for a glowing reference. Once Iggy saw Aife's former band, MS. 45, he immediately offered them the opening slot on his tour. Aife's hook-laden melodies, combined with her alluring stage presence, caused Mr. Pop to stop in his tracks and take notice of this star on the rise. Since MS.45 has disbanded, Aife is now performing solo around the city to critical acclaim. Her trademark smooth and sultry vocals delve into the raw emotional territory of loneliness and longing. Dealing with the deaths of her parents continues to be a musical inspiration for Aife. Such source material infuses her music with an unmistakable sincerity reminiscent of Neil Young or Elliot Smith, both of which she credits as major influences. One listen proves that Aife is able to strike that rare balance between the melancholy forlornness of lost love and the hopefulness and joy that keeps you coming back for more. - ---- I don't know how many times I've told this story but those of you who know it can continue on. I discovered Aife when she opened for Mary Lou Lord last October at Spaceland in Silverlake, CA. I was a little auspicious considering her onstage demeanor (stereotypical burnt-out Hollywood ingenue) and that the opening act, Cecil Seaskull (formerly of Nerdy Girl), was less than extraordinary. But as soon as her voice hit the mic I was overcome with so much emotion I could hardly contain myself. This was when I was seeing close to 20 shows a week and was pretty much fed up with the local scene (with certain exceptions: The Negro Problem, Ozomatli, Black Eyed Peas, Gillian Welch, Cockyed Ghost, The Muffs, and a few others). Although she's still perfecting her onstage "character," her talent exceeds these rough spots. She recently opened at the secret gigs for The Counting Crows and The Red Hot Chili Peppers here in Los Angeles. ___ BETH WATERS Sorting through the discarded/duplicates pile of the KCRW library, I came upon her EP, "Don't Look Back," and instead of inquiring a DJ about it, I just played it. Although it wasn't immediately earth-shattering, I saw the potential of her talent and obtained more information on her. Originally hailing from Santa Barbara, CA, local press compared her to Jewel and Tori Amos, among other songwriter icons. While I won't dare to unfairly put her in that mold, she definitely has the potential to become quite a strong performer. Blending classical musical arrangements on piano, thoughtful lyrics, and a fresh youthful (yet full) voice, Beth creates music in a clearly cinematic scope. I still regard her track "Needing To Be True" as a strong contender for tearjerker song of the year. Now a San Francisco resident, Beth makes a most welcome return to Southern California. More info on Beth can be found at ___ ABBY TRAVIS: Locals know her as the lead vocalist/bassist for The Abby Travis Foundation. People around the world know her as the former bassist for Elastica and Beck along with her collaborations with KMFDM, Susan James, Flea, Spinal Tap, Ann Magnuson, and the list goes on. Abby recently experimented with material in the solo realm when she performed a unique cabaretesque set at the annual Broken Mic event at Spaceland earlier this year. Lucky, for me, I was in the audience that night. While her music might not be everyone (it's borderline performance art), Abby, herself, is enchanting enough to see her at least once. I invited her to this LRT not only to hear her devilishly clever "Everything's Wonderful" again but to make sure my ears and eyes weren't deceiving me. More info on The Abby Travis Foundation can be found at: Articles on Abby ___ MARY DOLAN After graduating from University of San Diego High school in 1983, Mary took up classical music studies at California State University, Fullerton. She spent three years studying classical voice and music theory, then returned to San Diego where she began to direct church choirs. She worked with choirs for less than a year when she decided that choral direction wasn't what she wanted to do. At the advice of a friend, she went to an "open jam session" at a bar called Doc's Landing in El Cajon, California and it was there that she discovered what she did want to do -- play her guitar and sing for people who wanted to listen. Mary then sought out venues to perform by participating in "open mic" nights and by auditioning at various coffee houses throughout San Diego. These efforts led to gigs all over town, recording offers, music award nominations, opening act spots for more well-known artists and the recognition that Mary Dolan is a talented singer/songwriter. - ----- More info on Mary Dolan can be found at: ___ Essey Jensen's bio has not been written up at this time -- although some may remember her from the now defunct Innerchange Coffee House in San Diego. If you'd like info on her contact Larry Greenfield . Cindy Wasserman (sister of renowned bassist Rob Wasserman) is the lead singer of the LA band Starbelly. Susan James is currently riding high on the critical success of her latest effort _Fantastic Voyage_ (Red Letter). Interestingly enough she once opened for Rob Wasserman's outfit, Ratdog, as well as John Doe and Lindsey Buckingham. She's also very familiar with Living Room Tours having been at last years' NXNW with LRT founder Cindy Lee Berryhill who she befriended at the annual festival. Lastly, Marcella Detroit should go without describing. Since leaving Shakespeare's Sister her solo work has been thrilling music lovers for years. More updates will be coming as the day approaches. Thank you for your time and I hope to see you this Saturday! Gerard Perez _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:43:50 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Details of the Living Room Tour in LA, 8/22 At 11:40 AM 8/18/98 -0700, deanorez@juno.com wrote: > To make it easier, though, >I'll explain in small detail. LRTs originated from the EDAs (Everyday >Angels), ^^^^^^^^^ Please. This is so funny. Living Room concerts and tours have been going on for decades (centuries, probably). It's a staple in the Folk community. Where in the world did EDAs get the idea that they thought of it? I have nothing against the EDAs, honest, but this is a bold statement, one easily disproved with a tiny bit of research, and is embarrassing for Jewel fans. Vickie (who also saw Jewel in a teeeeny club and thought she was pretty cool back then) DIVX = GREED - Boycott Circuit City! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "J." Wermont Subject: Gina Arnold > What people are missing here is that the artists sometimes approve > of the trend making and the running-into-the-ground of it OR they > don't have any control over it. > > You don't even have to be a trend setter to be run into the ground. > > Look what happened to Hootie and The Blowfish. Your basic bar > band f'christ sakes! You could have started off loving them and > wound up hating them because the business rammed them down > your throat. > > Gina Arnold and many others rebel against such Mass Marketing. > > It's a legitimate complaint. But that's not what Gina was saying. She wasn't complaining that "it all sounds the same." She just thinks that sincere, folky/acoustic girl-with- guitar music is inherently boring. She'd feel that way whether it was one artist or one hundred in that style being played on the airwaves. And of course she's entitled to her taste - I'm not saying she isn't. I just don't think it's a valid basis for criticism. And she's done it before. I read one review of hers that dissed a guitar-based rock band because (to paraphrase), "That earnest, plodding guys-with-guitars style is so passe - don't they know that electronica is where it's at now?" Really intelligent critique - it's bad because it's no longer in fashion? Doesn't sound like someone who rebels against mass marketing to me. Another of Arnold's gems: criticizing some rock act because she thought the lead singer was too fat. Now that's deep! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:33:06 +1200 From: Phil Sainty Subject: 'Til the Dawn Breaks Vickie wrote: > > Also, ''Til the dawn breaks' somehow > >got on my nerves - still does a little bit, but it's getting less. > > Oooh, this song I have to talk about. Not that what I say can or > will or should change how you hear it, but it really is one of > my all-time favorite Happy songs. Mmmmmm.... I meant to mention this song recently when someone listed their favourite Rearmament tracks and managed to cover half the album, but leave TtDB out... I was dumbstruck, 'cause it's SOOO wonderful and I couldn't imagine it _not_ being on peoples' lists... I guess it goes to show how many different ways Happy's music appeals. TtDB is definitely one of my favourite Happy songs (of any album); one of those that makes it just about impossible to do anything but stop and listen, whenever it plays. > Have you ever listened to it on headphones? If not, try it a few > times. Just concentrate on nothing but the song, the way it slowly > builds and progresses, the way Happy uses first her high and then > her low voice, alternating between the two, singing enigmatic lyrics > which are creepy and comforting at the same time. *sigh*... :) - -Philip - -- ectophil@geocities.com Philip Sainty - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julia Fordham home page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/8080/JF_index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: 'Til the Dawn Breaks On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Phil Sainty wrote: > > > Also, ''Til the dawn breaks' somehow > > >got on my nerves - still does a little bit, but it's getting less. > I meant to mention this song recently when someone listed their > favourite Rearmament tracks and managed to cover half the album, but > leave TtDB out... Hmm. It might have been me, though I don't think so, 'cause I only remember listing a couple of tracks, though yes, I did accidentally miss mentioning this one. But yes, "'Til the Dawn Breaks" was one of my early favorites, and remains so. I have this suspicion that at the '92 Philly show, I was the only one who noticed when Happy accidentally screwed up this song and repeated a verse. ;-) jeff np...err, nothing; Peter Himmelman's _From Strength to Strength_ just left the cd-rom and MWABT is on its way in... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "J." Wermont Subject: Eva Trout Has anyone heard the Australian band Eva Trout? I stumbled on it while sampling new CD's at the local listening station, and liked it right away. The band consists of 2 women and 4 men, with the women providing most of the vocal work. It's pop/folk-rock, and they sound similar to the Indigo Girls - acoustic guitars, two female voices harmonizing (one of the singers even has a husky, Amy Ray-ish voice) - but Eva Trout are definitely more pop. Their sound is brighter and more upbeat than the IG, and the songs have a more typical pop structure and length. But the tunes really are catchy! It just grabbed me right away. If you're at all familiar with the Canadian band Taste of Joy (and not many are, unfortunately), I'd say Eva Trout is "Indigo Girls meets ToJ" - tight, bouncy guitar-based songs and strong vocal harmonies. Definitely worth checking out! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:27:15 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album Hey folks, Jill said: >I'm guessing the album hasn't come out yet, because I just received word of a >Cry Cry Cry tour. Here are the dates, as well as some other Dar dates: The album's supposed to come out... I *THINK* it's something like Sept 18th, or it could be Oct 18... (Those dates are probably both copmletely wrong!) Sheesh, I think I'm getting old. Can't remember anything anymore... Anyway, Marion asked: >- That same friend heard a rumour that Dar Williams would come to the >Netherlands for some concerts. In the tourdates on the Dar Williams >homepage I note several dates in the U.K. and Ireland, but no other >European dates. Anybody know? Last I heard, they were still working on booking Dar in Europe... Hm, sherlyn, who wanted to post even though she really has nothing to offer :) =-= Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig "It's better to breathe out, better to leap before you look." - Peter Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:39:15 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: [ferrick] Chicago date!! At 04:27 PM 8/18/98 -0600, DENISE wrote: >With everyone in dire straits about the lack of Chicago dates, Melissa >decided to do something about it- she booked one! This date just in... >Monday, September 14th >Uncommon Ground >1214 W. Grace St. >Chicago 8:00 >$5 cover oh, wow! that's a great small coffeehouse. *small*!! as in practically sitting at her feet ... well, the music room is only one storefront wide & 3/4 of one deep. (Tho, the parking in the area sucks. roughly 2 blocks north of Wrigley Field and a short block from the Metro). Judging by the crowd when people like Susannah Hoffs showcased there a year or so ago, getting there early is advisable. The coffeehouse is open all day, serving food - and they don't always close the space when local acts do soundchecks ... (the last Chicago crowd from her Schuba's gig would fill about 1/4 of the typical table space :-) >Enjoy! -Denise @ WAR? > > Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:00:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Cheri Villines Subject: Re: Portland (OR) Ectogathering 8/22 > Cheri Villines will be in the Portland area this week and next. To > celebrate, there will be an Ectogathering in Portland on Saturday the > 22nd, at 6 PM. It will be at my apartment (735 SW St Clair Ave, Apt 1008; > 295-2679). All are welcome. And I can hardly wait to get out there! :) see you soon, Michael Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:14:27 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album Jill informs: << Tue, Jan 12, 1999 @ 8:00 PM (folk, contemporary, american, acoustic, solo) CRY CRY CRY featuring at Liberty Hall Featuring: Dar Williams / Richard Shindell / Lucy Kaplansky Lawrence, KS Info: 913-842-5278 >> Yessssss!!!!!!! Finally! Someone comes to the KC area!!! Jeez Louise...I was drying up here. Matt...you coming down?? Count me there...Java np...the air conditioner. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:23:05 -0400 From: Ted & Debbie Subject: Re: Gay/Straight Artists/Audiences I was just wondering if any straight artists ever had an apparently straight audience come out as gay early in the show, like right after the opening act. . . No I wasn't really wondering that. As a high school boy, I had a Meg Christian LP, probably a few others I didn't know were gay too. I had a friend who got a really caustic look from his grandmother for absentmindedly singing Tom Robinson's "Glad to be Gay" while washing dishes. And I liked the Indigo Girls the first time I heard 'em, when they played for a group of Camelot Managers at breakfast at one of our conventions. Rather neato. I never peak in the bedrooms of musicians before buying their discs. Good music is good music. Gay folks don't bother me a bit, nor get any special treatment. Folks is folks. Ted, who tends to pronounce "Womyn's" as "Wimmings", like Popeye, who knew darn little about women, apparently. . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:19:23 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Sam Phillips (was Re: Jewel) Alan listens to: << NP- Martinis & Bikinis-Sam Phillips >> Oooh...very nice album. If anyone ever wondereded what John Lennon would have sounded like if he had been a woman (I guess it could be argued that he was...on occasion) this answers the question. And very nicely, I might add. Cheers...Java ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:22:49 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: [ferrick] Chicago date!! oops. sorry ... those lists confuse my brain sometimes but, of course, Chicago ecto folks certainly are welcome to test the waters ... more folk/rock from one of those singer/songwriters who didn't come out officially until after her first album - Atlantic at first took advantage of that characteristic, and then eventually dropped her ... Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:43:01 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Dar/Shindell/Kaplansky album In a message dated 8/18/98 7:08:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sherlyn@fl.net.au writes: << The album's supposed to come out... I *THINK* it's something like Sept 18th, or it could be Oct 18... (Those dates are probably both copmletely wrong!) Sheesh, I think I'm getting old. Can't remember anything anymore... >> I just got my September issue of ICE magazine....... and it says that the release date for the album is October 13th.........stay tuned! Jill :D *share the music!* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:22:37 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Gay/Straight Artists/Audiences In a message dated 8/18/98 8:19:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dejablue@clt.mindspring.com writes: << I never peak in the bedrooms of musicians before buying their discs. >> Ted, do you *peak* somewhere else before buying their discs? Sorry....I just could'nt resist..... Jill ;D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: womyn's music Okay. I got off on the wrong foot a little bit with my previous post on this subject. The list seems to have moved on to other threads (like speculationg on the sexual orientation of musicians), and the only person I owe any explanation of my feelings about this much-blighted genre to is Birdie. Where I get the compulsion to post this to the entire list, I have no idea. Anyway. Though I certainly haven't heard all the womyn's music that's out there, I can honestly say that I dislike most of the womyn's music I''ve heard, and find most American folk music in general boring. Declarations like this, like "I don't like " begs further questioning, like "what kind of music appeals to you?", "why does that tickle your fancy?", and finally, "why do you listen to music in the first place?" Those are fairly hard questions to answer, especially in a short email, but the main reason why I listen to music and create art is to tap into a parallel universe that, even at its most wonderfully fantastic and otherworldly, is more emotionally real (or true) than the material world we live in. Womyn's music doesn't take wing and fly enough for me to get into it in this manner. Okay, it's not intended for such purposes. However, even on the grounds that it's supposed to work for someone, it doesn't work for me. Womyn's music does not tell my story -- none of those singer/songwriters are writing songs that reflect my reality. The Raincoats' beautiful, fierce tunes touch on issues that come closer to my experience as a woman, and their lyrical themes touch on issues that I have yet to hear anyone in the Olivia Records stable write a song about; things like body image ("Odyshape"), unwanted pregnancy ("Baby Song"), rape ("Off-Duty Trip"), female impotence ("Baby Dog"), etc. Plus, their bridges are more musically adventurous than any song in full by Holly Near. Likewise the Slits, though their experiences are a bit more about societal expectations than personal loneliness (which the Raincoats specialised in) -- in their debut record, their songs dealt with women's shopping habits ("Spend, Spend, Spend") and the "don't create/don't rebel" impulse instilled in every girl - -- all put to a catchy dub beat. Bear in mind that I came of age when punk was cresting on its second wave. The wider emotional spectrum availible within punk was infinetely more interesting than in womyn's music, and the bands were closer to my own experience. Believe me, Birdie, I have plenty to be angry about -- I've been abused physically by my grandfather and sexually by my first boyfriend, neglected in time of need by another, my father died a year ago on my twentieth birthday, etc. In spite of all this, I'm still a very idealistic person, and I'm fascinated with people who can balance their idealism with their art. What turns me off are artists that let their idealism get ahead of their art, which is why I'm no fan of American folk in general. It's not that I can't see the relevance in protest songs, but they don't have as much musical significance after their moment of significance has ended. It's not that I want to squirt sputum at my foremothers through my front teeth, as my initial post may have suggested -- it's just that I see my experience emanating from a different set of foremothers. These women were more sonically playful and experimental, more emotionally cathartic, and generally more appealing on the whole than the herbal tea melodies and soapboxing lyrics of most womyn's music. I probably should have been more charitable in my previous missive, since artists like the ones that don't speak to my experience are indeed valid, and the honesty of female musicians dealing directly with these issues does indeed speak to someone else. However, it's not my story -- I feel these musicians are non-inclusive, and their stories are neither close to my own experience, nor are they musically/lyrically inventive enough to warrant more than a skim to me. Sorry, this was one long rambling, and it probably doesn't say much. Geez, I want to clarify and I end up cluttering the picture even more. O well. - --C. - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:37:31 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: [ferrick] Chicago date!! Carolyn Andre wrote: > > oops. sorry ... those lists confuse my brain sometimes > > but, of course, Chicago ecto folks certainly are welcome to test the waters > ... more folk/rock from one of those singer/songwriters who didn't come out > officially until after her first album - Atlantic at first took advantage > of that characteristic, and then eventually dropped her ... Heh. Another example of ecto's ability to be on the forefront... The first posting about MF to ecto was, er, it was probably wednesday or thursday of thanksgiving weekend, '9*3*. _Massive Blur_ was just out and somebody mentioned it. Friday, I happened to be poking through a cd shop I'd never been in, and came across a promo of it, recognized the name, and figured what the hell. And immediately fell in love with it. (strangely, that evening I took the disc to a friend's first annual post-thanksgiving-thanksgiving-bash (heading into year 6!). Said friend is now an ectophile (hi, chris) and another friend who was there, also now an ectophile (hi, craig) listened to about 30 seconds of this album that nobody had heard of and said, "Oh, Jonathan and I saw her open for Morrissey.") Anyway. So when did Ferrick "officially" come out? Even on the first Atlantic release, it was hard to miss with lyrics like, "Everything is still / with a fear of never coming out" or "So it's these women / they keep coming into my life." I mean even Melissa Etheridge was doing more to hide her sexuality on her first 2 albums. On a side-ish note, I find it humorous how matter-of-factly every one is speaking about Indigo Girls and their sexual orientation. Probably the biggest and best known flamewar on ecto was on this very subject, and dealt quite specifically with IG. I really had some angry arguments, both publicly and privately, with a certain ectophile who will remain nameless unless she doesn't want to. ;-) (and yes, we were, and still are, friends...) Er, anyway again. So were there more MF tour dates somewhere? I finally got to see her live when she opened for Lisa Germano (hi Craig, hi Neal) and would *love* to see her again. jeff ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #282 **************************