From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #270 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 04 : Number 270 Today's Subjects: ----------------- still absorbing it................... [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: fyi [Michael Colford ] Re: HR Back Catalog - found some! [Joe Casadonte ] Project Lo (was Re: No more whimpering (was Re: )) [Joe Casadont] Re: MWABT hunting [athol-brose ] Re: I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) [Steve Fagg ] Re: cdnow advance fulfillment [Riphug@aol.com] Rant Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [cspac] Re: cdnow advance fulfillment [Neile Graham ] Re: MWABT Hunting ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: MWABT first impressions ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... ["C. K. Cone] Re: cdnow advance fulfillment [TivoliDK@aol.com] Jeff Lang tour dates [Sherlyn Koo ] Some Tori News [Neile Graham ] Re: Some Tori News [Michael Curry ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... ["J." Wermon] Re: Jennifer Kimball news [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Re: MWABT Hunting & Project Lo Question ["Michael P. Hayes" Subject: Re: fyi On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > b) I dropped into the DC Tower this evening, to look for the long-sought > 2nd copy I needed, and lo, they had about 6 of 'em. > > Filed under H. > > I find the whole thing odd, as this Tower has stocked Happy for years. But > hey, at least they had the album! Well, what I didn't mention yesterday when I reported that HMV in Cambridge had about a dozen of MWABT, was that these were filed under H while the rest of her back catalog, about a dozen more, were filed under R! They both had name cards, but were filed separately. I moved them all to the R section. Michael n.p. Talking to Animals - Manhole - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: Re: HR Back Catalog - found some! On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, C. K. Coney wrote: > Joe Casadonte wrote: > > > the following, but I can't remember: The Keep, Warpaint. Did I miss > > any? > > Hmmm...Equipoise? Anyway, yay Borders Bryn Mawr (but then again, dont you have > really cool radio stations in Philly that play Happy all the time?) Yup, I believe they had one of those, too. And they had Rearmament on display above the racks. Yes, we have one (or maybe two) stations that will give Happy some airtime, but it's been much less in the last year or two than when Warpaint came out. Hopefully that will change (I know I call and request Happy all the time). Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: Project Lo (was Re: No more whimpering (was Re: )) On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Joanna M. Phillips wrote: > I didn't need much persuading. I ordered it too, after reading your email. > And ordered Project Lo's "Black Canvas" while I was at it (since I hadn't > gotten this yet). Wow, that RealAudio clip of Happy singing "Mercy Street" > is yummy! I haven't listened to that in months, but it's a good CD. That song (which I've always loved) is a *great* showcase of Happy's vocals (not that she needs another showcase).... Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) From: athol-brose Subject: Re: MWABT hunting Absolutely no store in the Cincinnati area has MWABT. Not a single one. Not Best Buy. Not MediaPlay. Not Joseph-Beth. Not Borders. Not CD Warehouse. Not Record Exchange. Not Camelot. Not the Evil Empire of Circuit City. Not one. I'm dissapointed. I just had a major bad experience with Tower Records on-line (they can't seem to tell their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to why an order didn't process; when I finally dragged it out of them, it turned out the CD marked as 'in stock and ready for quick shipment' is back-ordered until at least the 28th, but they had already charged me for it) and am kind of wary about ordering anything else (please don't deluge me with stories of how this or that site is reliable, however; I'll probably just do CDNow if local stores don't come through relatively soon)... r. n. dominick -- cinnamon@one.net If a production of horror outranciere and weakly forces dilates you the spleen of time to others, The Toxic Avenger is not without charm, I suppose. (Philippe St-Germain via babelfish) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:02:57 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Fagg Subject: Re: I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Xenu's Sister" wrote: > It was my EctoSiG, "Suspended In Ecto" made especially for the > Fuzzy Blue mailing list. I'm sure most people threw away the > felt, because it did make closing the cassettes harder, but it > seemed to work at the time. I'm glad you liked it. I still have my Ecto SiG and HGP tapes in their original boxes, complete with fuzzy blue felt inlays. I even still have the blue tissue paper and blue woollen thread Vickie used to wrap them in! By coincidence, they came to light a couple of weekends ago as we were doing some reorganisation of the spare room. Those tapes were far too precious to risk getting chewed up by random cassette players, so I made copies and only ever played the copies. Quite a wonderful project, it stands up to this day as a superb simultaneous celebration of Happy's music and Ecto's friendliness - a million thanks to you, Vickie, for creating something so enjoyable! *HUGS* Steve npimh: Happy Rhodes - I am a legend nr: Stephen Hawking - Black Holes & Baby Universes - -- Steve Fagg (nightwol@dircon.co.uk) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1313/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:24:34 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Jennifer Kimball news Forwarded from Jennifer: <> Wishing I lived in Boston, Jill :D *share the music!* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:53:24 -0700 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Re: cdnow advance fulfillment cdnow has different shipping options. If you order 4 or more you automatically get the 2-day FedEx, I believe. (There is also an overnight FedEx option, which is the only option they say gives you the cd on day of release.) If there is only one cd in the order, and you do not pay for an upgrade, they send first class postal, 3-5 days, usually. However, mine was shipped last Friday. It doesn't seem fair because I didn't order it until August. (However, the other 3 cds were ordered mid-July. --That may have tipped the balance for me.) - --Jerene Riphug@aol.com wrote: > Well, I'm miffed :( > > I pre-ordered my copy of MWABT from CDNow on July 24th......and today I got a > letter saying that it had been shipped on Tuesday, August 11th. I thought by > pre-ordering that's supposed to mean that you actually *receive* the new > release on its release date. *sigh* > > Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:18:38 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: cdnow advance fulfillment I just couldn't wait any longer! Even though I'm waiting for my copy of MWABT to arrive from CDNow, this afternoon I bought the only copy they had at the Cincinnati Borders store. That and these: Sinead Lohan - No Mermaid Liz Phair - whitechocolatespaceegg Hooverphonic - Blue Wonder Power Milk EmmyLou Harris - Spyboy The Tragically Hip - Phantom Power Eva Cassidy - Songbird Lisa Germano - slide I'll tell you all about the cd's i've been listening to from the Canadian company, IndiePool, later......lots of good stuff on them! Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:53:43 -0400 From: cspacerage Subject: Rant Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... I just can't keep quiet on this one, and I don't know where to start. Perhaps it's because of my frustration at the human tendency to use "Us and Them" as the main standard of character definition. Perhaps it's because the thought processes behind hate phobias are completely alien to me. Perhaps it's because apples and oranges are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn't put them in the same fruit salad, but that's a matter of TASTE. Where is the profound musical diversity in Lollapalooza? Where is the political agenda in Ozzfest? And, by the way...how dare these people make money! You'd think they want to be successful performers, or something. Prove viability to the corporate structure in the ONLY language it speaks. Be heard by lots of people who like similar things. Maybe by a few who don't. Why can't people separate issues of gender and sexuality? Granted, it's a fine line that's a lot of fun to cross and draw and walk... but my sexuality, although a healthy part of my life, is not the motivating force behind every artistic decision I make. I don't believe that one can celebrate gender and entirely ignore its sexual aspects, but I certainly can enjoy being female without becoming a martyr to the cause of feminism, or by despising anyone else's lifestyle preferences. I think that everyone has their own private spin on all these issues. I think that everyone with a sore spot and a publisher or a microphone can whine about getting their Fair share of the bully pulpit that really started out as "Hey, we can sell all these tickets, why can't we get airplay..." I think that artists who are used to taking care and time with the production of their work before it is released to the public are going to say some things that are easily misconstrued, in or out of context. and how about putting words into peoples mouths? snipped from the _Girlfriends_ article: "...telling CNN's Kristin Lemmerman that Lilith was by no means a male-bashing party. Quite the opposite: "It's merely about celebrating the fact that [these] women have powerful [singing] voices." these? singing? Does the interjection of the [...] change connotations for anyone else but me? Did I need this writer to tell me what to think? About the tragically weird fan-mail suicide. I've seen Sarah M. mention the correspondence in a recent interview (VH1? forgive my non-journalistic research) as something that effected her enough to write one of the (IMO) most potent songs of her career, and she certainly credited the situation for lyrical content, as well as for being personally frightening and disturbing. I thought that this article's carefully chosen excerpt from the psychiatrist's letter (which of itself, doesn't say much for the psychiatrist's technique) to the suicidal fan was engineered to turn Fitzgerald's apparent personal dislike into public sentiment. Perhaps she should stick to music criticism and avoid psychoanalysis or detective work. (this I realize, is a bit of a jab and I apologize for my ire but not my opinion. Who really knows what went on in the entire span of these correspondences? Was Fitzgerald a personal friend or witness to the entire situation as it occurred? Is she experienced at profiling obsessive personalities? Is she accustomed to casually tossing out accusations of murder, or does this just sell copy? I think that what I'm trying to determine in this situation is, what is good writing, as to what is ethical journalism. I don't know all the facts here, and it's a compelling case. ) I'm sure there's lots more about Lilith Fair and its ensuing pros&cons that I could go on about, but I've run out of steam. I thought it started as just a 'hi, we're girls and we like to sing this music and if you won't let us into the Y we'll build our own' thing. It's pretty amazing that it's become a catalyst for all sorts of passionate side issues. Media hype. Political spin. Artistic egos. Sex and Death. Enjoy the show. ~!@L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:15:32 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: cdnow advance fulfillment At 11:21 PM -0400 8/12/98, Riphug@aol.com wrote: >Well, I'm miffed :( > >I pre-ordered my copy of MWABT from CDNow on July 24th......and today I got a >letter saying that it had been shipped on Tuesday, August 11th. I thought by >pre-ordering that's supposed to mean that you actually *receive* the new >release on its release date. *sigh* Hmm. I did. Ordered on about the Friday before, and got it on Tuesday. BUT I did ask to have it sent express. I think that makes the difference. Still, I'd email them about it and see if they'll give you a credit on your next order or something. - --Neile np: Guess - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:26:31 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: MWABT Hunting Stuart Myerburg wrote: > Borders had some Happy CDs, but not _MWABT_. There is an HMV at Lenox, > but I didn't bother once they dug it up at Tower. However, as of last > weekend, they didn't even have a Happy section. *sigh* > > Did you have more luck the day after? Well, today I went Happy hunting in Atlanta. The Tower at Lenox had *no* placecard for her, but the gal stocking shelves recognized her name & led me right to the one Many Worlds cd there. I said "Is that all you have?" and she looked below, and said "we had three, but two must already have been sold". Yay! (Hey, Stuart, did you buy two of 'em?) Borders on Peachtree had to look it up on computer...there were three store workers who went blank when I mentioned the cd. It was on their computer, and a fellow went back to find it in the back room, and didn't find it. Another fellow showed up & overheard, said "we have that in back" & he produced one. Rather than buy it, I put it out in the Happy Rhodes section, where "Warpaint" was. The section was messy with other stuff in there, so I helped them out and cleaned it up a bit, giving Happy a bit more prominence. :-) I also did what I could at Tower, which is tough with no placecard! So, what gives with Tower, gang? There was a review in their in-store mag, Pulse...they gave it 4 stars out of 5, pretty darn good, I'd say. Why feature it in Pulse (national publication) and not feature it in the store? Does anyone know the m.o. of Tower these days? Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:33:03 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: MWABT first impressions Angelos Kyrlidis wrote: > Hi, > > Well I have only listened to it twice so far. The verdict: Bravo Happy. I agree!!! I at last received my copy from CD Now (no, not marked "promo"). It is absolutely a masterpiece. Happy's muse made utterly manifest. In fact, it's my opinion she can stop "serenading genius" and take a well deserved break. Because when it comes to genius, by jove, she's *got* it! More on this later after I get some repeat listens under my belt...yes, Sharon, there's a heck of a lot to take in here! I'm listening again now, and all I can say is it's a remarkable feast which I'll be savoring for quite awhile! Carol n.p. Many Worlds, but of course! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:59:50 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... Xenu's Sister wrote: > I'm no fan of Lilith Fair, but this article is over the top. My biggest > gripe is that people promoting these "womyn's" (spit) Er, what is the "spit" about? > music festivals > should hardly be calling Lilith "boring" (which it is) Why do you say Lilith Fair is boring? Just curious. I thought Veda Hille & a few other cool artists were on it this year (in some locales). > because those > festivals are the *worst* about being boring and white bread and > easy-listening and mind-numbingly banal. Occasionally they get > good acts (my god, Jane Siberry played Michigan!) but that's > usually a fluke. I looked up the Michigan Fest this year, and I could swear I saw Veda Hille listed. Another fluke? > I want to know what stage L7, Bikini Kill, Geraldine Fibbers and > Queen Latifah are playing on at the next Michigan Womyn's > Music Festival. What? Acts like that aren't invited or welcome? I can't speak for the Mich Fest, but historically (oops, herstorically) it has featured mostly small label artists & perhaps doesn't have the resources to attract major label acts. It has also focused mostly on "women identified music". Indigo Girls often play there. In the old days (I'm dating myself now) I used to co-host a radio show "Women Hold Up Half the Sky" with excellent artists played, mostly from the Olivia and Redwood labels, but there were many others. Some of the gals are still doing music, but not to the extent that they were back in the "golden age of feminism". I went once to the Mich Fest and to women's music fests on the east coast, Boston, NY and such, and it was never, never boring! Also, there were several women of color recording on those labels (example: Linda Tillery), as well as women who really "rocked out". Quite a variety actually. Maybe the Mich Fests have changed with the times and become more "white bread"...I haven't kept up with their evolution over the decades. But I don't think it's fair to generalize...particularly if I'm correct thinking that Veda is at Mich Fest this year, 'cause in my opinion she is neither boring nor banal. She rocks my world! I would like the url for that article on Lilith that's causing a stir...somehow I missed it. Just to see whazup with them sour grapes. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:18:28 EDT From: TivoliDK@aol.com Subject: Re: cdnow advance fulfillment In a message dated 98-08-12 23:25:13 EDT, you write: << I pre-ordered my copy of MWABT from CDNow on July 24th......and today I got a letter saying that it had been shipped on Tuesday, August 11th. I thought by pre-ordering that's supposed to mean that you actually *receive* the new release on its release date. *sigh* >> Same problem here. It's Thursday and I'm still waiting...mail has already come for the day. They supposedly shipped it Monday, and I'm only one state away from them. Never again!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:50:31 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Jeff Lang tour dates Hey everyone, I got a newsletter from Jeff Lang (that fantastic bluesy guitar god dude from the Melbourne area who opened for Dar and Ani on their recent Australian tour) yesterday. He's got tour dates coming up all over the place - go see him if you can! You'll be blown away, I guarantee it. JEFF LANG - CEDAR GROVE TOUR August: - - shows all over the east of Australia, including: Aug 14 Royal Derby Hotel, Melbourne Aug 15 St Andrews Hotel, Melbourne Aug 21 Bar Broadway, Sydney Aug 28 Che's Lounge, Brisbane Aug 29 Great Northern, Byron Bay September: Sep 3 The Cobblestone, Dublin, Ireland Sep 4 The Lobby, Cork Folk Festival, Ireland Sep 5/6 Monahan R&B Festival, Ireland Sep 11-13 Enniscorthy Festival, Ireland Sep 14 Ballymore Inn, Ballymore CO Eustast Sep 15 The Cobblestone, Dublin, Ireland Sep 17 The Iota, Arlington VA USA Sep 18 Rams Head, Annapolis MD USA Sep 19 Tin Angel, Philadelphia PA USA Sep 22 Sidewalk Cafe, New York NY USA Go Jeff! :) sherlyn =-= Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig "It's better to breathe out, better to leap before you look." - Peter Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:13:30 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Some Tori News A forward from the Torinews list for anyone interested. - --Neile >X-Sender: betheqt@unix01.voicenet.com >Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:02:46 -0400 >To: torinews@smoe.org >From: Beth Coulter >Subject: JS vid debut >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-torinews@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >>From tori.com... >> >> >>8.13.98 >> Announcement of "Jackie's Strength" >> Video Debut & Enhanced CD >> >> Tori Amos is set for a special MTV unveiling this >> weekend with the debut of "Jackie's Strength," the >> companion video to her new from the choirgirl >> hotel single. The striking black-and-white clip, >> directed by James Brown (Finley Quaye, Apollo >> 440, Mansun), is particularly noteworthy for its >> clever integration of documentary footage of >> Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis -- a lyrical inspiration >> for the song -- during the 'Camelot' years. The video >> is slated to make its MTV debut Sunday night, >> August 16th, during the network's 120 Minutes >> program. Then, on September 8th, a special >> "Jackie's Strength" Enhanced CD single will hit >> retail outlets nationwide. The disc, which also >> includes the previously unreleased tracks "Never >> Seen Blue" and "Beulah Land," contains the >> Brown- directed "Jackie's Strength" video and the >> rare companion clip to "Raspberry Swirl" >> (previously released overseas only) for the >> enjoyment of CD-ROM users. >> >> >thank you nicole/purple people >__________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from ToriNews, e-mail torinews-request@smoe.org with the >word "unsubscribe" in the message body. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Some Tori News On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Neile Graham wrote: > >> program. Then, on September 8th, a special > >> "Jackie's Strength" Enhanced CD single will hit > >> retail outlets nationwide. The disc, which also > >> includes the previously unreleased tracks "Never > >> Seen Blue" and "Beulah Land," contains the > >> Brown- directed "Jackie's Strength" video and the > >> rare companion clip to "Raspberry Swirl" > >> (previously released overseas only) for the > >> enjoyment of CD-ROM users. I'm really looking forward to this and I hope that the idea of including video on CD singles is one that catches on. Wouldn't it be great if Samson did something like this for Happy? Mike np: Lisa Germano -- Slide nr: nothing! | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "J." Wermont Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... Carol wrote: >> I'm no fan of Lilith Fair, but this article is over the top. My >> biggest gripe is that people promoting these "womyn's" (spit) > > Er, what is the "spit" about? I was wondering about that myself... > Why do you say Lilith Fair is boring? Just curious. I think it's idiotic to state that a festival is evil or shouldn't exist, merely on the basis of "it's boring." (That was one of the Girlfriends arguments against it.) "Boring" is a matter of personal taste and isn't much of a criticism. Obviously it's not boring for the thousands of people who attend the concerts. I'd find a bluegrass music festival deadly boring, but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't exist, or that they're evil or something. This is not to say that I consider all criticism idiotic. But to declare an entire genre of music invalid and not worthy of a festival just because you find that genre boring is just a tad egocentric. > Maybe the Mich Fests have changed with the times and become more > "white bread"...I haven't kept up with their evolution over the > decades. Actually I think it's the other way around. I remember the early days of the women's music festivals (I've never been to Michigan but I have been to NEWMR - New England festival - a number of times, and I used to be an avid fan of the Olivia inventory - Meg, Cris, et al). It used to be very much a middle-class white girl's scene - folky in style and sweet in its message. Over the years, responding to community criticism, both Olivia and the festivals did get more diverse in their musical styles as well as in the ethnic composition of their performers and recording artists. One question I'd like to ask - and I'm going to attack some sacred cows here, no doubt - is why does a music festival always have to be musically diverse? I'm not talking about something like Michigan, which is really a community event, and is supposed to represent the full range of the lesbian and feminist communities. (It also goes on for several days, so in addition to the social concerns, musical diversity in that situation is probably necessary for everyone's sanity. :)) But with a day-long festival, why is it so important that the widest variety of musical styles be represented? *Most* music festivals are homogeneous in their styles. Do you go to a jazz festival and ask, "But where are the heavy metal bands? The punk rockers?" Lilith is a specific type of festival: that which showcases female acoustic-pop singer-songwriters. OK, they don't explicitly say that's what it is - but tell me a single existing term for this style of music that would scan in a title. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if "lilith" itself eventully becomes the name for this genre (unofficially, anyway - trademarks and all that). I already use that term when people ask me what kind of music I listen to ("indie rock, lilith fair, classical, salsa..."), and they know what I mean by "lilith fair." I'm not one to trivialize people's legitimate concerns by writing them off as "politically correct," but I think some people - the Michigan folks in particular - are having a knee-jerk reaction about the lack of musical diversity at Lilith. I do agree with them about some of the social and economic issues they raised. For example, the fact that everyone's either heterosexual or else quiet about their sexuality. I don't mean that every individual queer performer is required to sing about those issues, but when you look at the festival as a whole, and no one's doing it, that's kind of suspicious. I mean, statistically, at least *some* of the musicians might want to sing about that, right? And I agree that it's grossly unfair, not to mention inaccurate, for Sarah or anyone else to claim that Lilith Fair is the start of women's music festivals. I'm sure that's what really has the Michigan women so pissed off, and I don't blame them. It's also certainly true that due to good financial backing from record companies and corporate sponsors, they have a lot more visibility than a thousand Michigans would have. All valid points. But I was *glad* that the first Lilith Fair was so musically homogeneous. It gave continuity and congruity to the festival. The collection of artists *made sense*. One performance segued well into the next one. I didn't like everyone in the line-up (Jewel's performance was dinnertime for me and my partner - no lines at the food vendors! :)). But there weren't any jarring transitions - it all flowed smoothly. I didn't go this year, and part of the reason was that they had a bunch of artists that didn't interest me - different kinds of music that just aren't my thing - and it wasn't worth the money to see the one or two performers that I do like. So I have to ask again - why does this festival have to be diverse? If we can have all-rap shows and all-rock shows, why not a show that focuses on contemporary acoustic pop, written and sung by women? So not everyone likes that music - big deal. Lots of people do. One of the most vitriolic criticisms against Sarah was that she's such a selfish egomaniac for choosing artists that *she* likes to listen to. I disagree completely - I think it's so much better that she chose artists according to her own taste, rather than according to what some impersonal marketing report told her was going to sell tickets. She took a risk with this festival. It was her idea, she did the work to make it happen, and she put her name on it - why shouldn't she get to pick the artists? > I would like the url for that article on Lilith that's causing a > stir...somehow I missed it. Just to see whazup with them sour grapes. http://www.gfriends.com/feature.html <--- this takes you straight to the article. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:54:35 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Jennifer Kimball news Riphug@aol.com wrote: > > Forwarded from Jennifer: > > On July 6, Jennifer played on etown with Marc Cohn! Etown is a live music > show, recorded in a beautiful theatre in Boulder, CO and then broadcast later > on NPR and APR stations. THIS show will be broadcast nationally on August 14 And might I add that it was a very nice taping for both Jennifer and Marc. I didn't recognize Jennifer at first -- her hair's so much longer than the last time she played Colorado. :) Ellen, who attends many of the E-town tapings ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:14:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael P. Hayes" Subject: Re: MWABT Hunting & Project Lo Question Flogging a deceased horse... A mini-search in two downtown Chicago record stores: Tower @ Wabash -- two copies of MWABT (filed under R; nothing under H), out in the open at the front of the row; sticker price: $16.99 each. Crows Nest @ Jackson & State -- two copies of MWABT and two copies of , also under R and not H; sticker price: $14.99 each; I think they were asking the same for . Also at Crows Nest, I found Project Lo's filed in the miscellaneous P section.... in the Jazz row. Since I am unfamiliar with them, does this sound right? Or should it be in the Rock/Pop/R & B section? Just asking... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:25:10 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: MWABT Hunting & Project Lo Question At 08:14 PM 8/13/98 -0500, "Michael P. Hayes" wrote: > >Flogging a deceased horse... > >A mini-search in two downtown Chicago record stores: > >Tower @ Wabash -- two copies of MWABT (filed under R; nothing under H), >out in the open at the front of the row; sticker price: $16.99 each. yesterday (Wednesday) at lunchtime there were three copies in that section . I was pleased to see it correctly alphabetized and with great shelf placement! but, of course, un-pleased to see the pricing. A couple of years ago, someone at Tower/Clark had explained to me how the new release pricing worked -- the number of dollars marked off 'list' varied directly with the multiples of '10s' units received for sale. (at the time, I was 'whining' about the pricing on the Kathy mattea holiday album - which either wasn't marked down at all or was only marked down by $1. And the store had only received 5 units of product). At the time, I assumed this pricing was based on the individual store ... and wonder whether that still holds true?? (forgot to buy Sinead Lohan's even tho I then went up to the new age/jazz/world/vocals/folk/country floor. but the rest of the CDs I succumbed to were *all* at some degree of 'new release' markdown - from $12.99 to 15.99, I think). Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... I asked, regarding the Lilith article: >> You do? Wow, can I ask why? And Charley responded: > 1) LF is not about promoting female artists as much as it is about >selling tickets: almost all the women invited to perform are safe bets >from a promoter's point of view. In other words, they are women who >have been little, if at all, affected by the anti-woman bias of >mainstream radio and record sales; women who have a right, of course, >to sympathize with overlooked female artists, but less right, in my >opinion, to capitalize on that unfortunate fact. Heh, I don't think that's very true. As Jason said, none of the women on that tour (with the exception of Sarah, Paula Cole, IG, and anyone else that got a bit of radio play), were safe bets until it all took off last year and they realized how successful everyone was. I don't think that the tour capitalizes on anything--it's succesful and makes money (it *did not* however make a profit last year as we've argued on FTE already) and people enjoy it and go to it. If there was a market for it, it wouldn't be successful. I dunno, I'm probably missing your point. I think Lilith is taking a number of chances this year with the whole local artist thing.I mean, yes these women had to audition for their spot on the tour, send a demo and have had a lot of experience performing before, but it's still a chance that they're taking by putting them up on the village stage. For example, there's a 17 year old artist on the tour this year, Maren Ord, who is being scouted by labels and management, but has yet to be signed. This is, in my opinion, a chance that they're taking, and I think that people will see this person perform and be encouraged by the fact that a 17 year old writes and performs her own material, yet there's still a risk putting her on the tour... > 2) Most of the artists invited are the kind of performers who (and >this is related to #1) reinforce the stereotype of female artists as >toothless, sentimental, non-feminist serenaders of the status quo: >pretty makers of pretty music. To live up to its stated agenda, LF I think that's kind of putting all of the performers into one category, though. Have you heard of Kinnie Starr? Indigo Girls? Holly McNarland? Meredith Brooks (shudder)? I mean, I'm not going to comment on their physical appearance, cause that makes no difference to me, but their music isn't *all* pretty.... and there's some louder artists on the bill this year... and Missy Elliot? >would have to include more than a token dose of female artists who are >not easily grouped among the Sarahs, Toris, Loreenas, and Jewels of >the entertainment world. Most of the artists in the LF tour are, in my >opinion, more comfortably lumped in with Celine Dion and Mariah Cary >(sp?) than with the real female pioneers of the musical arts: Patti I don't think that's true at all. There's a fairly big difference, in my opinion, between the artists on Lilith (I'm willing to bet 99% of whom) who write their *own* music and words, many produce their own stuff, etc. Mariah and Celine seem very much to me to be products of a corporation, and I'd be willing to bet they don't care a whole, whole lot about their music and causes... I don't know. I just woulld never compare someone like say, Missy Elliot, IG, Paula Cole, Kinnie Starr, Emm Gryner, Holly McNarland, etc. I'd say those artist right there are diverse enough and pioneers in their own respect. >Smith, Um, Patti Smith *did* play at Lilith, it was either this year or last, but I'm fairly certain that she did. Also, some "pioneers" that performed this and / or last year are Emmylou Harris, whoever it is that sings "Love is a Battlefield" (I can't remember her name right now and it's driving me crazy :), and didn't Joan Baez play a show? hmm.I can't remember, oh well. Another pioneer is rumored to be appearing at an upcoming show, but who knows if that will happen... Diamanda Galas, L7, Kitty Brazelton, Ingrid Karklins, Carla >Bozulich, Polly Jean Harvey, Danielle Dax, Salt N Pepa, etc. etc. etc. L7 and PJ Harvey were asked to be there, so was Ani, so were about 350 other solo or female bands, all of which said no repeatedly for one reason or another. Also, if those performers wanted to be there bad enough, they could just as easily have their managers contact the Lilith organizers... In some cases, as with Jonatha Brooke, I think, it was too late and they didn't have any more room. >And even the more mainstream, but more intelligent and challenging >artists are sadly underrepresented in LF: Where's Kirsty MacColl? Jane >Siberry? Anna Domino? etc.etc.etc. Hmm. I wonder--none of them, with the exception of *maybe* Jane Siberry-- really put out new music anymore--why would anyone *want* to seem them? > So, in other words, to oversimplify and summarize (I gotta catch a >train), the people profiting from LF, either financially or >exposure-wise, are doing so by hypocritically exploiting the plight of >the artists they are _not_ including in their event. The people from LF *did not* profit last year, and may not even see a profit for another year. Really. jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess "i'm stained all through my insides" - e.g. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #270 **************************