From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #232 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 04 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Our Pantheon [charley darbo ] Re: Our Pantheon [Horter!!!! ] Grey Eye Glances CD Release [Rich Rapp ] Re: Our Pantheon [Michael Curry ] Re: Our Pantheon [Stuart Myerburg ] Re: Our Pantheon ["Valerie Nozick" ] Heather Nova etc. ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: Heather Nova etc. [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Our Pantheon [Jack Sutton ] Re: Our Pantheon [meredith ] Re: Our Pantheon [Michael Curry ] Re: Heather Nova etc. [Greg Dunn ] sTuff [meredith ] Lucia Pamela [WretchAwry ] Re: Heather Nova etc. ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: sTuff [WretchAwry ] Re: Our Pantheon ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Our Pantheon ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Personal Pantheon ["Jeffrey Hanson" ] Re: Our Pantheon [James Dixon ] Re: Personal Pantheon ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Our Pantheon [WretchAwry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: Our Pantheon - ---Neile Graham wrote: > > . . . it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add > to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. I know that not > everyone agrees on who should be there, but it would be nice if we could > get a consensus on a couple of other people. . . . > . . . how about Mary Margaret O'Hara? . . . I second that emotion. If it were up to me, I would seriously add Anna Domino, so I'll go ahead and nominate her, though I don't expect to get an overwhelming response, based on Neile's post. Other nominations, which I've considered carefully, and consist only of names that I believe are A) worthy of the honor and B) widely appreciated on Ecto: (alphabetically:) Bjork--I honestly think she's about the greatest influence on pop music today Holly Cole Mary Coughlan Ingrid Karklins Victoria Williams And, in a departure from the tradition, Peter Gabriel and Jeff Buckley. Anyone else? - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:26:40 -0400 From: Horter!!!! Subject: Re: Our Pantheon >---Neile Graham wrote: >> . . . it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add >> to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. Then charley darbo wrote: >Anyone else? Susan McKeown is a name that seems to be widely mentioned and revered. >And, in a departure from the tradition, Peter Gabriel and Jeff Buckley. Hmmm....never was grabbed by JB...maybe time for a 5th listen. Tom np: roommate's Dead Can Dance booming through the house nr: Underworld, still-long book and worth it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:00:54 -0400 From: Rich Rapp Subject: Grey Eye Glances CD Release In a polite understated letter today, let me just say Grey Eye Glances new CD < PAINTED PICTURES > will be released on July 21st, less than a week from today. I'll skip the hype here, since you all know I love the band, I'll just say it's the BEST YET!!!!! You got to hear it to beleive it!!!!! The Rich R. Rich R., for.... The Grey Eye Glances Society E-Mail: geg@waterw.com Official GEG Site: http://www.greyeyeglances.com/ GEG Society Web Site: http://www.waterw.com/~geg/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:13:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Our Pantheon On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Neile Graham wrote: > But seriously, it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add > to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. I know that not > everyone agrees on who should be there, but it would be nice if we could > get a consensus on a couple of other people. Our current list consists of: > > Tori Amos > Kate Bush > Veda Hille > Happy Rhodes > Sarah McLachlan > Jane Siberry > > I took it upon myself to add Veda--I couldn't help it, and I guess that's > my perk for working on the Guide so much. > > Anyway, how about Mary Margaret O'Hara? Or of course anyone on my personal > list? ;> I would certainly nominate Kristin Hersh to the pantheon, but maybe instead of nominating people it would be more productive (and perhaps more interesting) if people just posted their personal pantheons and we saw where the overlap was. Of course the problem with pantheons is they tend to focus on single artists and leave out bands. Mike np: Susan James -- Fantastic Voyage: a double album (Disc 1: Lovesick) | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Our Pantheon On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Michael Curry wrote: > I would certainly nominate Kristin Hersh to the pantheon, but maybe > instead of nominating people it would be more productive (and perhaps more > interesting) if people just posted their personal pantheons and we saw > where the overlap was. > > Of course the problem with pantheons is they tend to focus on single > artists and leave out bands. I include bands on mine. It's mostly Ectoish, with a few exceptions. So, here it is, in no particular order except 1 & 2: 1. Tori Amos 2. Radiohead 3. Kate Bush 4. Happy Rhodes 5. Bjork 6. Kristin Hersh 7. David Bowie 8. Neil Finn 9. Annie Lennox 10. Bel Canto 11. Jane Siberry 12. Sarah McLachlan Stuart _________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg Information Services, Rollins School of Public Health http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:41:25 -0400 From: "Valerie Nozick" Subject: Re: Our Pantheon My pantheon: 1. Kate Bush 2. Jane Siberry 3. Happy Rhodes 4. Tori Amos That's it. A person doesn't get into my pantheon until they've proven themselves over a period of time. At least 3 albums plus something else that's special. Sarah McLachlan was in my pantheon until her latest album, which is -- to put it mildly -- crap. Tori's still there, because, even though I haven't really gotten into her latest album, it's original and inventive. Dar Williams would be there, but I just can't worship a person whose senior thesis I watched. The Nields are close to pantheon-hood, too. In my non-ecto pantheon: 1. Tom Lehrer 2. Alan Jackson 3. Garth Brooks And coming close to non-ecto pantheon: Mary Chapin Carpenter, George Strait (I'm trying really, really hard not to get into his music, because he's released about 20 gajillion albums & my wallet can't handle that) ==> Valerie *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/16/98, at 7:32 PM, Stuart Myerburg wrote: >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Michael Curry wrote: > >> I would certainly nominate Kristin Hersh to the pantheon, but maybe >> instead of nominating people it would be more productive (and perhaps more >> interesting) if people just posted their personal pantheons and we saw >> where the overlap was. >> >> Of course the problem with pantheons is they tend to focus on single >> artists and leave out bands. > >I include bands on mine. It's mostly Ectoish, with a few exceptions. So, >here it is, in no particular order except 1 & 2: > >1. Tori Amos >2. Radiohead >3. Kate Bush >4. Happy Rhodes >5. Bjork >6. Kristin Hersh >7. David Bowie >8. Neil Finn >9. Annie Lennox >10. Bel Canto >11. Jane Siberry >12. Sarah McLachlan > >Stuart >_________________________________________________________ >Stuart Myerburg >Information Services, Rollins School of Public Health >http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart >_________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Heather Nova etc. Just to clear up confusion (a local paper today talked about "her two albums," presumably =Oyster= and =Siren=), =Blow= is not Heather Nova's first album. It was preceded by =Glowstars=, which still hasn't been officially released in this country (I have seen it for sale like once as an import, after I'd gotten a copy from a European friend). I think it's marginally better than =Oyster=. The four songs just before the finale of =Blow= ("Mother Tongue," "Talking to Strangers," "Shaking the Doll," and "Frontier") are all from =Glowstars=. And that's not even counting the early EP under her birth-name Heather Frith which was rereleased last year on Big Cat (and is also hard to find, I gather) under the title =The First Recording=. It's surprisingly good for such early work; I like it better than =Siren= in fact. =Blow= is in fact my favorite Heather Nova album, though; its stark edginess I think suits the material very well. That's the most powerful of the several versions of "Sugar" (it's what made me a Heather Nova fan in the first place), and the version of "Mother Tongue" has tremendous kick. My two cents on the Tori Amos discussion is that =Boys for Pele= is =easily= her best album. There is a second Liquorice album (featuring Jenny Toomey of Tsunami and Dan Littleton of Ida) more-or-less in the can; I think it needs some mixing or something, and I don't have any news of a release date. But it exists and we'll get to hear it eventually. Two of the best songs Jenny Toomey has written in the last couple years are probably on it, "Breezewood P.A." and what she calls "the angry song," both of them highlights of the "solo" shows she did what? two years ago now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:20:12 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Heather Nova etc. On Thu, Jul 16, 1998 at 10:16:19PM -0400, Donald G. Keller wrote: > And that's not even counting the early EP under her birth-name Heather > Frith which was rereleased last year on Big Cat (and is also hard to > find, I gather) under the title =The First Recording=. It's surprisingly > good for such early work; I like it better than =Siren= in fact. No wonder I couldn't find it....I was looking for it under Nova. Thanks for the tip! - -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:14:57 From: Jack Sutton Subject: Re: Our Pantheon Neile Wrote: >But seriously, it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add >to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. I know that not >everyone agrees on who should be there, but it would be nice if we could >get a consensus on a couple of other people. Our current list consists of: > > Tori Amos > Kate Bush > Veda Hille > Happy Rhodes > Sarah McLachlan > Jane Siberry My Pantheon selection includes two of the above and 10 additional selections: Jane Siberry---Her holiness, the most supreme goddess :) Happy Rhodes---a goddess as yet still invisible to all but the ECTO World. Laurie Anderson --so much talent, dance, performance, music. Danielle Dax--not much lately, but I'm hoping a return to her creative out burst of the 80's. Sheila Chandra--Not too many people with this background and creative genius rolled up in one. Iris Dement---She will eventually be a legend in the same light as Woody Guthrie, Hank Williams, and Patsy Kline Ani DiFranco---She's already a legend. Laura Love---a most energetic goddess. Ingrid Karklins--Another totally unique artist, I can't really conjure up a comparison. Tanita Tikaram---Her voice alone qualifies her for goddess status. Tracy Chapman---Only a goddess could possess a soul like hers. Nanci Griffith--Another living legend, most definitely the goddess of "Folk" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music 800-611-4698 jsutton@hrmusic.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:34:44 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Our Pantheon Hi! Valerie opined: >That's it. A person doesn't get into my pantheon until they've proven >themselves over a period of time. At least 3 albums plus something else >that's special. Sarah McLachlan was in my pantheon until her latest album, >which is -- to put it mildly -- crap. Ah, but I think of what those first three albums did for me and I just can't throw all that away just because of one slip. Hell, if one crappy album were enough to remove someone from my pantheon KaTe would have been booted out the day _The Red Shoes_ came out, and there's just something Seriously Wrong with that picture. (Now if Sarah's and KaTe's *next* albums are crap too ... then I might just have to reconsider.) >Dar Williams would be there, but I just can't worship a person whose >senior thesis I watched. I know I watched it but I don't remember one thing about it save that I was there, so I guess that doesn't count for me. My pantheon (straight from my web page to you): Tori Amos Emily Bezar Kate Bush Ani DiFranco Veda Hille Ingrid Karklins Katell Keineg Loreena McKennitt Susan McKeown Sarah McLachlan The Nields Happy Rhodes Richard Shindell Jane Siberry Dar Williams Hmmm ... one band and one boy. Not bad. :) My criteria for inclusion don't include the number of albums, because that would disqualify Emily Bezar and Katell Keineg, and that just can't be. It's more of what the music does to me - if the artist or band released a CD of themselves reading the phone book, would I buy it? If the answer is a resounding yes, then that's enough for me. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:37:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Our Pantheon I probably should have included my ectopantheon in the post where I suggested that everyone else share... 1. Tori Amos 2. Kristin Hersh 3. Kate Bush 4. Susan McKeown 5. Richard Shindell 6. The Innocence Mission There are a few others that are close to pantheon level for me (like Veda Hille, Mila Drumke and Lisa Germano) and might make it there with their next release. Mike np: Natalie MacMaster -- Compilation | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:46:20 +0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Heather Nova etc. Don said: >Just to clear up confusion (a local paper today talked about "her two >albums," presumably =Oyster= and =Siren=), =Blow= is not Heather Nova's first >album. It was preceded by =Glowstars=, which still hasn't been officially >released in this country (I have seen it for sale like once as an import, >after I'd gotten a copy from a European friend). I think it's marginally >better than =Oyster=. And don't forget "Live from the Milky Way" (between Blow and Oyster, that is). "Blow" has just been re-released as a 9-track disc (the earlier US release was 6 tracks) containing some performances previously only seen on a hard-to-find import. So that's =The First Recording=, =Glow Stars=, =Blow=, =Live from the Milky Way=, =Oyster=, and =Siren= for official releases, plus a herd of regionally-released multi-track singles. >And that's not even counting the early EP under her birth-name Heather >Frith which was rereleased last year on Big Cat (and is also hard to >find, I gather) under the title =The First Recording=. It's surprisingly >good for such early work; I like it better than =Siren= in fact. When it was re-released last year, its title was changed to =Heather Nova: The First Recording=. Jeff, it's probably just not available where you are. I've not yet gotten a copy, though it's on order. :-) >=Blow= is in fact my favorite Heather Nova album, though; its stark >edginess I think suits the material very well. That's the most powerful >of the several versions of "Sugar" (it's what made me a Heather Nova fan >in the first place), and the version of "Mother Tongue" has tremendous kick. A friendly disagreement here: I slightly prefer =Live from the Milky Way= for its version of "Sugar". My daughter and I really like the greater contrast between the spooky, slow spoken part and the crashing, rock-n-roll verses. But the tracks "Mothertongue" and "Frontier" on =Blow= take my breath away. I'd also like to recommend the extremely hard-to-find import singles of =Maybe An Angel= (Japanese release, with the amazing "Blue Black", "Like A Hurricane", and "Heal") and =Truth And Bone= (Austrian release, with the title cut done acoustically). - -- | Greg Dunn | "And I don't think it's my | | gregdunn@indy.net | fault... you never get what | | GregDunn@aol.com | you want." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | Patty Griffin | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:07:49 -0400 From: meredith Subject: sTuff Hi! First off, speaking of personal deities, anybody going to the Nields/Dar Williams show in Westport, CT tomorrow night? JeffW, woj and I will be there... Paul "do I really know everything" Kim responded: >Hmm...i remember Ger Perez mentioning that Frente! had broken up and that >Angie Hart was fronting a new band out there in LA...i can't remember the name >of the band, though...mebbe they managed to get a guest shot on the show... Y'know, the woman singing in that band just looked and sounded too much like Angie Hart to *not* be Angie Hart. It has to have been her. Tom postulated: >I noticed looking at people's NR that y'all don't seem to keep very many >unread books around. Personally, I always have at least 10 or so books in >the "to read" pile. And that doesn't even count my almost weekly trips to >the library. Ah, you've obviously never been to our house, then. The floor-to-ceiling bookshelves in our living room are overflowing with books, about 2% of which I've actually read. And that's not counting the shelves in the rest of the house. And I just keep buying them, too (curse the Quality Paperback Book Club and amazon.com's One Click Ordering :P). Then I have this relative who keeps making her own, which only makes matters worse. I figure I should finish her new one this weekend. Then I've got not one, but *two* Melissa Scott hardcovers AND the conclusion to Dan Simmons' Hyperion series just sitting there on the shelf screaming to be read, but I just don't have the time to read any more. Sigh. Irvin (ah, how we've missed thee :) opined: > TORI AMOS: FROM THE CHOIRGIRL HOTEL - almost didn't get it. but glad i >did, it renewed my faith in her. now if she would only E-NUN-CI-ATE >when she sings. I would be happy. PLUS the TYPOGRAPHY in the booklet >is just horrid. someone should shoot the designer. If you want bad typography, check out Susan James' new album. Green ink on a light blue background. Who the hell came up with that and thought it would be a good idea?!? >There is a big difference between complexity and vagueness. One (often) >strives to create complexity and multiple reads in a mature art work, >not vagueness and wishy washy muddledness. BfP was able to strike this >pretty close but (i felt) BfP didn't. the entire second part of the >album could have been (and in my mind is - since i have a promo tape, it >is split into two parts) one long song. one really bad long song. one >really bad, muddled, masturbatory, vague song. It's truly sad when people just can't recognize brilliance when they hear it. I concur with Don: _Boys For Pele_ is by far Tori's masterwork. I don't expect her ever to surpass it, but it'll be a nice bonus to us all if she does. :) (For the record, I really really really like _FTCH_, but it doesn't pack the wollop _BfP_ does.) mjm reviewed: >Not a huge turnout, a few of her friends and relatives in the audience -- >mostly people just eatinhg lunch -- innocent bystanders. She played one >song on the electric bass, which I've never seen (albeit capo'ed yay high). Oooh, the new song! Too bad she didn't have Lyris Hung with her - it's utterly amazing what that woman can get out of a violin, especially on that song. And there's yet another bass and drums in the arrangement, too. Tasty. > She has a strong voice and is a skilled guitar player. Very nicely paced >-- no rushing, virtually no noticeable nervousness at all -- very >self-assured. This is nice to see and (I think) is the sign of a truly >balanced and confident performer. She's usually a completely frosted flake when she plays with the band - it must be a codependent thing. :) >It was almost like she was just singing >and playing and to a large part ignoring her surroundings. Anyways, I need >to listen some more, but she has a definite style, both lyrically and >musically, which I mostly like quite a lot. yay. I'm glad. Like Mike, I think Mila Drumke is going to be assured of a place in my pantheon if her next album lives up to the promise I've seen so far. Have I publicly thanked Vickie yet for introducing me to her music here on ecto? Thank you, Vickie. :) And finally... Fili fonted: >Sounds like an Ecto mantelpiece ornament... > >"(crystal woj sold separately.)" > >-Philip (I wonder if they harmonise? :) ! No, we don't harmonize. That would be a truly scary thing. We will need some new mantelpiece ornaments soon, though ... next week Tamar will be taking all of her cool Star Trek action figures away, not to mention the matching lava lamps. Which reminds me -- everyone join me in publicly embarrassing the newly anointed Dr. Tamar Boursalian, longtime ecto semi-lurker and fellow member of the House Of SMOE! She successfully defended her thesis yesterday, and has now been officially booted out of Yale. We're all immensely proud of her. We're also very sorry to see her go, but the Seattle ecto contingent is about to gain a seriously cool member, so I guess balance does remain in the universe. Yay, Tamar! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:35:05 -0500 (CDT) From: WretchAwry Subject: Lucia Pamela This is something I wrote for gaffa. This person (Lucia Pamela) is not ecto in any way shape or form, but I thought folks might be interested in just a general FYI kind of way. Neile, if you want to put this in the Guide, you're welcome to, if only to warn people away (or at least not to pay full price). (Writing about Lucia enabled me to duck out of a flame war that I stupidly started with Yet Another Tori Basher. When will I learn to ignore these people?) - ---------------------------- me: > >Ok, I will make fun of The Shaggs, they're "like > >castaways on their own musical island" and they > >"bring my mind to a complete halt." (Quotes by > >Bonnie Raitt and Carla Bley). Though they're > >brilliant compared to Lucia Pamela. She makes > >The Shaggs look like classically trained vocalists > >and musicians. But hey, I even like The Shaggs. > >Anyone who does a song about a two-legged cat called > >"My Pal Foot Foot" is ok by me. YATB: > rock on! do you *have* any lucia pamela? me: Yes I do. I have the album "Into Outer Space With Lucia Pamela" and it is by far the worst thing I've ever heard in my long, music-listening life! It's not even so bad it's great, like The Shaggs, it's just really, really, mind-numbingly, chew-your-leg-off-and-stuff-your-face-in-fiberglass- to-make-it-stop BAAAAAD. It's the kind of BAD that inspires involuntary, painful, hitching, nervous, embarrassing giggles. For anyone out there not enlightened, Lucia Pamela recorded that album "on the moon" (according to her, and she's not kidding) but it sounds different here on earth because "the air is different up there, you know" and though she also visited Venus, she found the recording facilities less to her liking. She recorded such classics (cough) as "Flip Flop Fly" ("Let's do a dance! When I say flip, you flip. When I say flop, you flop. When I say fly, we'll all fly!"), "Moontown," "In The Year 2,000!!!," "Indian Alphabet Chant (a-i-iddy-i-o-o-o)" and many more! The album was recorded sometime in the 1960's (probably) and was re-released in 1992 by ARF! ARF! (at least, that's what my copy is. There might be other recordings and re-releases) She talks (in a breathy, happy, excited voice - wouldn't you be excited if you were on the moon?) about space and the moon and aliens and suchlike, but then she has to go and sing, and that's when things get really weird. Not brilliantly weird like Diamanda Galas or Meredith Monk, but loopy weird like your sweet, happy, crazy old Aunt Edna (who's just taken a few too many hits of acid) who can't carry a tune but thinks she's Ella Fitzgerald. Or Frank Sinatra. On the moon. I'd write more about her but she makes my knees hurt and my fillings vibrate. I found a great web site about her at: http://users.deltanet.com/users/kirkb/lucia/ >i know that stereolab covered a song of hers. Not exactly. They wrote a song dedicated to Lucia ("International Colouring Contest" on _Mars Audiac Quintet_) and used a sample from the song "You and Your Big Ideas." Lucia's voice opens the song with the lines "Ha ha ha, I'm just full of ideas, and here's another one!" It's a cool song. (Stereolab's, not Lucia's) Vickie "Every time I answered the phone, I said "hello, it's me' so my name became ME" Loopy Lucia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:41:57 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Heather Nova etc. Greg Dunn wrote: > I'd also like to recommend the extremely hard-to-find import singles > of =Maybe An Angel= (Japanese release, with the amazing > "Blue Black", "Like A Hurricane", and "Heal") and > =Truth And Bone= (Austrian release, with the > title cut done acoustically). Is "Like a Hurricane" be a studio version, or what? Somewhere, buried in a bag of entirely too many other tapes, I have a version of that and I think one other track that Heather did for HFS (y'know, back when they were at least slightly more cool, sez jeffy who's sick of looking up from his desk at work (where HFS is on the centrally located radio all day long) and saying "Y'know, I *really* hate this song"). I happened to turn on the radio one night, recognize Heather's voice and pop in a tape in time to record the last two songs of the in-studio set she was doing, solo-acoustic. Wow. That's all, just Wow. Y'know, Heather Nova is one of the 3 or 4 artists who I've heard anonymously for the first time (radio, in-store stereo, etc.) and guessed correctly who the artist was, based solely on things I'd read in ecto. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:39:26 -0500 (CDT) From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: sTuff On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, meredith wrote: > mjm reviewed: > > >Not a huge turnout, a few of her friends and relatives in the audience -- > >mostly people just eatinhg lunch -- innocent bystanders. She played one > >song on the electric bass, which I've never seen (albeit capo'ed yay high). I'm sorry I missed it. :-( > I'm glad. Like Mike, I think Mila Drumke is going to be assured of a place > in my pantheon if her next album lives up to the promise I've seen so far. > Have I publicly thanked Vickie yet for introducing me to her music here on > ecto? Thank you, Vickie. :) You're welcome, but also thank Charley. He discovered her and first mentioned her on Ecto. I went to see her concert because of Charley and then wrote about it, prompting you to check her out. So thanks to Charley from me too! > Which reminds me -- everyone join me in publicly embarrassing the newly > anointed Dr. Tamar Boursalian, longtime ecto semi-lurker and fellow member > of the House Of SMOE! She successfully defended her thesis yesterday, and > has now been officially booted out of Yale. We're all immensely proud of > her. We're also very sorry to see her go, but the Seattle ecto contingent > is about to gain a seriously cool member, so I guess balance does remain in > the universe. Yay, Tamar! Yay Tamar...congrats! And welcome back pink too! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:51:57 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Our Pantheon Jack Sutton wrote: > Ingrid Karklins--Another totally unique artist, I can't really conjure > up a comparison. Uhhhh..."Laurie Anderson if she'd been born in Latvia" has always been sufficiently descriptive and accurate for those to whom I've made the comment... Meanwhile, I'm afraid to try to work out such a list. I'm sure it would be a disaster. Besides, it changes relatively frequently. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:58:10 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Our Pantheon meth crystal'd: val said: > >Sarah McLachlan was in my pantheon until her latest album, > >which is -- to put it mildly -- crap. > > Ah, but I think of what those first three albums did for me and I just > can't throw all that away just because of one slip. Yeah, what she said. It doesn't matter how crashingly mediocre _Surfacing_ is, it can't change the fact that Sarah's music, from the first 3 albums plus various other sources, has had a more profound impact on my life than almost any other artist's. She remains my favorite live performer, though I haven't seen her since that tour she did with the Chieftains 3 years ago. > Hell, if one crappy > album were enough to remove someone from my pantheon KaTe would have been > booted out the day _The Red Shoes_ came out, and there's just something > Seriously Wrong with that picture. Just remember, meth, that some of us *love* TRS. It *is* a good album, and I might have to rank it higher than _Lionheart_. jeff (remembering how uninspired he was by TSW and, for that matter, FTE the first time he heard them...oh, what a blunder it was to not recognize their genius) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 21:10:21 PDT From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Personal Pantheon My personal pantheon is pretty standard ecto-fare I guess: The Holy Trinity: 1. Kate Bush 2. Happy Rhodes 3. Jane Siberry The Lesser Goddesses: 4. Tori Amos 5. Annie Lennox 6. Alison Moyet (I think I've said it before, but I have to reiterate I think she has the best rock'n'roll voice in music--just wish she had better material) 7. Liz Fraser 8. Lisa Gerrard 9. Jewel (who knew a goddess could be so down-to-earth) 10. Betty Buckley Very close to goddesshood Holly Cole, Siouxsie Sioux, Maria McKee, Linda Thompson, Sandy Denny, Anneli Drecker, Ute Lemper, Anita O'Day, Nina Simone, Lena Horne, Patti Smith, Laurie Anderson, Victoria Williams, Annie Haslam, Sarah McLachlan, Sinead O'Connor, Toni Childs, Loreena McKennitt Not deserving to be a goddess in the least but still remembered fondly: Dale Bozzio, Debby Harry The Gods: Paul McCartney, Richard Shindell, Michael Stipe, Matt Thompson (The The), Peter Murphy Goddess in Training (probably be promoted when first full length album is released) Sarah Slean Kathleen Yearwood (Any news on that new album Neile? She gets big goddess points for originality and complexity--but loses some for sound quality and vocal talents for her first release-Box of Hate. This album should be the definition for "alternative folk". Makes Ani DiFranco sound like Top 40 buggle-gum pop). Well, that's more than enough. Jeff Hanson n.r. Carson McCullers - The Heart is a Lonely Hunter (and at least 100 unread books around the house, but just checked out more from the library today!) n.p. shuffling over: Heather Nova - Siren (yay! She's playing here (Phoenix) for free on July 30) Happy Rhodes - MWABT (now I can't see that without thinking of Elmer Fudd, Mr Burka!!) Bel Canto - Shimmering Warm and Bright June Tabor - Aleyn Portishead - Portishead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:22:42 -0400 From: James Dixon Subject: Re: Our Pantheon Michael Curry wrote: Far be it from me to chime-in, being a an ecto-tot, but what about Jonatha Brooke? Might she be worthy of inclusion? Feeling the need for a new schtick, it's Toodles! Mr_Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /whois Mr_Jim *** Mr_Jim is James Dixon *** Mr_Jim is a Radio Communications Systems Analyst/Technician *** Mr_Jim lives in Savannah GA USA *** Mr_Jim works predominately in Hilton Head SC (also USA) *** Mr_Jim has been idle for quite a while, now... FuE exfe94CFNY a+++ fte lus r+ ps+ t C++ w- p1 LF** N+ cd#+++ x+ Fa$ m? fc E rl--- d+ s** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Playing: _Stories Retold: A Tribute to Jonatha Brooke_, a CD which I just received today. :) <><><> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:28:50 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Personal Pantheon Jeffrey Hanson wrote: > Happy Rhodes - MWABT (now I can't see that without thinking of Elmer > Fudd, Mr Burka!!) Don't look at ME, Jeff, that was Joe Zitt who's posted TWICE now about his Mel Blanc / Happy Rhodes conflation... jeff (one of the other ones...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:34:51 -0500 (CDT) From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Our Pantheon My computer is shut down while we "renovate" the computer room (new wiring, actual office furniture, posters on the walls, yay!) so I'm doing the telnet thing with Pine. (That's to explain the spam filter) On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Neile Graham wrote: > charley darbo wrote: > > >Gave me a near chill to see this: sometimes you forget that you're not > >_really_ the only person on the planet who's ever hear of Anna Domino; > >it just _seems_ like that. Oh yeah yeah...so *who* turned you on to Anna Domino? (Consider it payment for turning me on to Mila Drumke, Ingrid Karklins and Iris DeMent) > > I say she should be given Ecto-goddess status. > > Really? I mean I like _Colouring The Edge and the Outside_, _Mysteries of > America_, and _The Twilight Years_ compilation but I don't really _love_ > them. Two of her earlier discs flew in and out of my collection several > years ago--it wasn't until I got the _Colouring the Edge_ ep that I even > had a clue what people were talking about with her. Her music still hasn't > seriously impressed itself on me. I don't know her music by heart, most songs seem to run together unless they're *really* special like "Rhythm" or "Lake" but by vocals alone, she ranks right up there. Golden honey flowing and all that. Chris is the bigger fan in the family, but I like her quite a bit too and have no problem with Charley's nomination. So now she's living in the desert? Bah, makes me wish we had taken the trip to New York to see her live. Chris had an e-mail discussion back and forth with her for a while. She used to run her own web site (maybe she still does, but it seems way out of date). Anyway, she answered her e-mail. http://www.walrus.com/~lode/domino/ > I've realized that my personal pantheon includes one male--Gabriel > Yacoub--but the rest are all female: Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Sheila Chandra, > Dalbello, Sandy Denny, Kristin Hersh, Veda Hille, Ingrid Karklins, Happy > Rhodes, Jane Siberry, Kerri Simpson. That's 12, isn't that the pantheon > limit? I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. Any numerical limit would be purely self-imposed. I haven't heard Veda Hille or Kerri Simpson, but the rest of those choices are prime. > But seriously, it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add > to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. I know that not > everyone agrees on who should be there, but it would be nice if we could > get a consensus on a couple of other people. Our current list consists of: > > Tori Amos > Kate Bush > Veda Hille > Happy Rhodes > Sarah McLachlan > Jane Siberry > > I took it upon myself to add Veda--I couldn't help it, and I guess that's > my perk for working on the Guide so much. > > Anyway, how about Mary Margaret O'Hara? Or of course anyone on my personal > list? ;> I third that. Mary Margaret definitely should be there. And it shouldn't matter that she only has one album. Hey, I think Milla should be there, and she only has one album. > It's not as though the artist has to be perfect. I know we could all think > of quibbles about each one, and many of us don't like some of the artists > there at all. But still... > > Vickie, what is your pantheon again? You seemed to me to have a fun and > interesting take on this. Was that the "religious" take? :-) Kate Bush - God Happy Rhodes - The Holy Ghost Tori Amos - The Virgin Mary Jane Sibbery - Jesus That imagery is out of date. I always used to list Jane 2nd (Kate is God, Jane is Jesus) but it didn't seem right, when Happy is far more important to me than Jane. Still, Happy as "The Holy Ghost" seems right too, since she's the voice you never see and that no one else knows about. (except us, so far) And the guys in my pantheon: Peter Gabriel (who really should be God, since he started it all for me way back in 1974, but Kate shoved him aside the day she released _The Dreaming_.) Jeff Buckley (He'll be here, he'll be ecto) The Apostles: Victoria Williams Mary Margaret O'Hara Milla Sinead O'Connor Siouxsie Sioux Bjork Kirsty MacColl Holly Cole Mary Coughlan Bel Canto Sarah McLachlan Sheila Chandra Then there are "The Clergy": Loreena McKennitt Kristin Hersh Danielle Dax Eddi Reader Heather Nova Lisa Germano Lisa Gerrard Enya Mila Drumke Marta Sebestyen Ingrid Karklins Katell Keineg Iris DeMent Anna Domino Najma Haris Alexiou Erika Badu Toyah Zoe Poe Madeline Peyroux kd lang Michelle Shocked Penelope Houston Neneh Cherry Iva Bittova Paula Cole Jewel That last list is by no means complete. There are dozens, hundreds maybe, who belong there. Many I'll think of as soon as I send this. So much music, so little memory. > Then again, a pantheon of six might be fine. It doesn't matter to me. A pantheon is only a rough guide anyway. Vickie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #232 **************************