From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #231 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 04 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Lord have mercy [pink ] Re: Shelf Life [Riphug@aol.com] On the Road again...... [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Shelf Life ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Cowboy Junkies bumped/Jewel TV next week [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: Shelf Life [Steve Fagg ] crystal meth [Phil Sainty ] RE: Lord have mercy [Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook)] Re: crystal meth ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Shelf Life ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Shelf Life [charley darbo ] Re: Shelf Life [Horter!!!! ] Anna Domino (was: whither the samson site?) [Kim Justice ] Lord have mercy [Steve VanDevender ] Victoria Williams interviewed re: Webcasts ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] mila (2) ["Mike Mendelson" ] Re: Shelf Life [cos@polyamory.org (Ofer Inbar)] Re: Lord have mercy [Michael Curry ] Our Pantheon [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* John Zimmer (tiefe@agora.rdrop.com) ******************* ******************** Dan Stark (Carnivore@bigfoot.com) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt Sun August 05 1900 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Michael Stevens Sat August 12 1967 For Sale or Lease Vickie Mapes Wed August 15 1956 WretchAwry - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:41:50 -0500 From: pink Subject: Lord have mercy - -warning- long message - but hey you haven't heard from me in 6 months so be glad you are getting off this easy! Lordy, well ya look at that. ya stop reading ecto for six months and look what happens. smoe.org gets new equipment, the ectophilic guide to good music is getting overhauled, people get into a huff and then it gets blown over (twice), new releases abound including tori's new one, as well as Happy's soon to be new one, new people join etc etc. and i missed it al because and i was too busy finishing a graphic design program, quitting my job, moving half across the country, starting a new career (trying to anyway), finding and moving into a new apartment, and trying to establish a sense of my identity in this new darn city. ugh. well i missed you all. just thought you should know that. i just finished reading all 6 months worth of digest (lord knows what i would have done if i was on regular bounce mail). it totaled to about 200+ digests. it took me two whole working days (from about 10am to 6pm) to finish them all. good thing i am unemployed right now. *ahem* ah to be back in ecto land. with that in mind i just wanted to make a few comments to jill's post from a couple of days ago: > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:41:14 EDT > From: Riphug@aol.com > Subject: The music I bought at the beach > Red House Painters - eponymous.....I was surprised at how *dark* this album > is. Maybe I was thinking of someone else...... which RHP album is this? there are actually two eponymous albums. one has a ROLLERCOASTER on the cover and one has a BRIDGE on the cover. The BRIDGE album is actually easier to find for some reason. i see it all over the place. And of course it is not nearly as good as the ROLLERCOASTER cover one. The BRIDGE one has a cover of star spangle banner on it. one of his not so good cover IMO. on the other hand the ROLLERCOASTER album has him doing the song MISTRESS (two versions, with the second version called the PIANO VERSION it is supreme bliss). Mark (who is RED HOUSE PAINTERS actually, it is one guy) is actually a pretty dark sort of guy. his masterpiece though is the most recent release SONGS FOR A BLUE GUITAR. it topped my best of 1996 list, and in fact is in my top ten all time favorite albums ever. it is amazing. a must get. as a side note, i would like to say that i am quite happy to be living in a city that is home to both MARK KOZELEK (of RHP) and MARK EITZEL (of MARK EITZEL and the late great AMERICAN MUSIC CLUB) as well as BARBARA MANNING (of BARBARA MANNING, and numerous other projects, most notably the late SF SEALS). this has nothing to do with the above, i just wanted to state my happiness. > The Housemartins - "The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death".....How could > anyone *not* like these wacky guys? Even my husband thought they sounded a > lot like BNL. I'm glad I've ordered their latest release! i am assuming that the latest release you ordered was: >The Housemartins - Now That's What I Call Quite Good.......Perfect for when >you're in the mood for something fun and upbeat. but you might want to read the date it was released. it should say 1987 or there abouts. THE HOUSEMARTINS broke up around there. and just so you know, BNL sound like THE HOUSEMARTINS, not the other way around! the HOUSEMARTINS were around before BNL forming in 1983 or thereabouts. Their first album LONDON HULL O 4 came out in 85 or 86 and then PEOPLE WHO GRIN THEMSELVES TO DEATH came out a couple of years later. they broke up a couple of years after that, with the NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL QUITE GOOD being their last hurrah. :( the world is sadder place. But from their ashes arose: >The Beautiful South - Choke......This album made me think there are some deep, >dark secrets in the lives of The Beautiful South......child abuse maybe? this is their second album and actually available domestically here (though it might be out of print i dunno). It is also their darkest. Their third album 0898 BEAUTIFUL SOUTH was more perky, but it is their first album WELCOME TO THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTH that is the best i think. after the third album (0898 BS) came MIAOW (and the swapping of female singers, bye bye beautiful voiced BRIANA hello adequate, but not quite as unique sounding JAQUELINE) which was never released here in the US (arghhh) but did relatively well in canada and pretty darn well in the UK. this lead to their releasing a best of album which sold so darn fast in the UK that a new deal was made here in the US for it (ELEKTRA dropped them here in the US for lack of sales but i think they ended up releasing the best of album here). their latest release BLUE IS THE COLOR was finally domestically available here after a distributor was found - 6 months after it had been released in the UK. ARK 21 is the label/distributor (can anyone tell me a little bit about that label, and who they are? i haven't really heard of them until BLUE came out, and now i their name pops up here and there). oh yeah, as for the sounds of each album: WELCOME TO THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTH: wry perfect pop songs with classy touches of strings and such, with some of the aftermath jangly guitars of THE HOUSEMARTINS still there. the album is a near classic if you ask me. which you didn't but ah well. CHOKE: their darkest album in wit, subject matter, and sound 0898 BEAUTIFUL SOUTH: perkier and more percussive in nature. They seem to be trying on a new more "pop" sound with this one MIAOW: an extension of 0898, this album has it's moments, but the song writing is and singing is mostly (if not all) by Paul Heaton. Not nearly as strong if you ask me BEST OF...: only reason to get this is for completists, as it has one extra song on it, a cover of the mama and the papas song, argh, i forget the name. sorry it is late. anyone? BLUE IS THE COLOR: actually this is my least favorite. musically it sounds like easy listening muzak, with bitter ironic lyrics written over it. but the lyrics aren't even that great, and it also has the song LIAR'S BAR which has PAUL singing in the most wretched awful raspy voice, in an imitation of a drunkard. a definite fast forward button song. it is redeemed though by the song ONE GOD though is a great song, with lyrics like "the world won't end in darkness, it'll end in family fun, with Coca Cola clouds, behind a Big Mac sun." cracker line that one is! hmm...sorry, i have feeling i have posted all this stuff before about THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTH, but get me started and....I was suppose to edit their page for the ECTO GUIDE TO GOOD MUSIC, but i never got around to it. NEILE if you want to send me the stuff again that you have on archive, i will do it. of course it will probably be just posts from me babbling about it. for more information about THE BS or the HOUSEMARTINS or anything NORMAN COOK is doing (another HOUSEMARTIN's alumn, his love of house music (as opposed to HOUSE MARTINS HA!) lead him to become a remixer, and release albums under various names (BEATS INTERNATIONAL, FREAK POWER etc) there is a mailing list dedicated to it all (LIST FOR WHOMEVER). email me and i will try to dig up the info (or actually you can probably just find it on the web). lessee. >I just ordered Jane Siberry's obscure import cd, "Summer in the Yukon," this is just a "best of" album. If you have everything by Jane, I don't think there is anything exclusive to this album. SO ON TO MY QUESTIONS: I am glad to see NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL talked about here on the list. I don't know much abount them, but i keep on meaning to explore them. Can anyone explain to me again the whole ELEPHANT 6 things and their relationship to bands like OLIVIA TREMOR CONTROL? I used to know all this, but alas i must have killed too many brain cells in the cross country marathon drive (nonstop) with my exboyfriend from ST. LOUIS to SAN FRANCISCO. 48 hours in one tiny UHAUL. Sartre was right. no no, it wasn't really that bad.... CHELSEA (hi! we haven't met - being as i was incommunicato, but i like your taste in music!), i just wanted to know what you ended up putting on the end of that mix tape you were making last month and asked ecto for advice for. Me, i would have put something by BELLE & SEBESTIAN or the KOSTARS. i am glad someone else out there like DAMON & NAOMI. i only have MORE SAD SONGS but eventually when i get cash i will pick up the rest o' their catalog. plus anyone that puts three exclamation points behind the band IDA has to kick bootie. IDA is one of my faves. ANYONE have news on the new LISA GERMANO album that is suppose to be coming out soon? read about it someone. what's the 411? also I am glad that ROUNDER picked up THE NIELDS. i am not a big NIELDS fan, though i can say that their last album had a brilliant package. but i do think they are great people, and i am glad their jam for the van thing worked out. ROUNDER by the way put out one of the great overlooked albums of the 80's PIANOSAURUS. and album played on and composed entirely on TOY instruments. and it transcended the gimmick too. the songs were genuine gems. One of these days I am going to get a webpage up and running, and it will have an "overlooked" classic album page, and letmetellyousomething, PIANOSAURUS is going to be the first one featured. Being completely UNEMPLOYED, i have been very thrifty in my CD purchases, but i still was able to scrounge up enough to purchase: TORI AMOS: FROM THE CHOIRGIRL HOTEL - almost didn't get it. but glad i did, it renewed my faith in her. now if she would only E-NUN-CI-ATE when she sings. I would be happy. PLUS the TYPOGRAPHY in the booklet is just horrid. someone should shoot the designer. I still like LE best then UtP, then ftCH but i have to give it time to grow on me. i usually ignore that masturbatory BfP thing she released. *cough* Though I understand where you are coming from NEILE when you say she is getting more and more mature and complex in her work. I agree to a certain point. LE does sound rather simplistic in retrospect, on the other hand i think it is rather succint in its message, and doesn't really need the embellishments that BfP and the other strive for. it comes straight from the gut and doesn't want or need for anything else. There is a big difference between complexity and vagueness. One (often) strives to create complexity and multiple reads in a mature art work, not vagueness and wishy washy muddledness. BfP was able to strike this pretty close but (i felt) BfP didn't. the entire second part of the album could have been (and in my mind is - since i have a promo tape, it is split into two parts) one long song. one really bad long song. one really bad, muddled, masturbatory, vague song. ftCH i think is a good step for TORI and I look forward to her next album, in the hopes that it will take is to a next step. erm. lessee. what else. nothing as opinionating forming as TORI's new one. TSUNAMI: BRILLIANT MISTAKE - JENNY TOOMEY is still fantastic. Now i just want a new LIQUORICE album! Is that too much to ask? perhaps, as everyone who was involved with that band, is now doing their own separate thang. *sigh* but when i talked to JENNY when she was touring solo she said she was 1/2 through with the new LIQUORICE album and she even played two songs that were going to be on it, and they didn't end up on the BM so that means she is saving them for LIQUORICE....did you hear the whine in my voice there? good. SEAN LENNON: INTO THE SUN - got it today. no opinion so far (other than not bad, have to listen to it more closely) THE SPINANES: ARCHES AND AISLES - I really liked the first two songs that were on the subpop sampler you could pick up at REBECCA's promo gigs, but the rest of it isn't sticking to me ribs as much. We shall see what happens with time. KRISTIN HERSH: STRANGE ANGELS - needs time to grow on me, but i can tell it has potential MASSIVE ATTACK: MEZZENINE - brilliant. LIZ FRAZER's vocals put just the perfect chill into the mix. now i understand what all the buzz is about. TEARDROP sends shivers up and down my spine. AIR: MOON SAFARI - not to be confused with AIR MIAMI which i initially did with all the press AIR was getting. quite good actually (CHARLEY if you haven't gotten it, you would like methinks), one of the few CD's i think that actually lived up to the HYPE. smooth swanky kinda STEREOLAB-ish but more pop song structured. didn't notice much talk of it in the past 200 digests so i just offer it up for discussion. MARY LOU LORD: GOT NO SHADOWS - not as good as i was expecting. too slick? the production just sort of drained all the energy and spunk out of ole mary lou. i dunno. Charley always accused me of being in a low-fi rut, but sometimes low is mo' ya know? MLL got a lot of press for awhile but i have since seen the album sort of peter out. I hear she is pregnant now? will she be touring ala KRISTIN HERSH? that would be kinda cool. I prefer her eponymous 6 song ep on kill rock stars thank you. though there are some good songs on the album (notably SHE HAD YOU) oh and a bunch of older stuff, nothing too timely or pertinent really, MADONNA's new one (brilliant, william orbit did wonders), some NINA SIMONE, the BETH ORTON BEST BITS ep (better than TRAILER PARK methinks, i can't wait for the new album), BETTIE SERVERRT (not as exciting as i had hoped it was going to be), VICTORIA WILLIAM's latest (what can i say it's vic, sweet and wonderful as usual), an old PJ HARVEY single, an old LOIS single, THE GODRAYS latest ep (nothing that great, how i miss SMALL FACTORY), RICKY LEE JONES' GHOSTYHEAD (have to digest this new direction still), erm i am sure i missing something but ah well. you get the point. which is pretty much i don't have one. ANYWAY email me direct if you want info on my move, my new apartment, my lack of a job, my new roommate, my dwindling bank account, or anything else. I am still trying to find a new ISP in the area (any BAY AREA ECTO people recommend one? i am looking at either SIRIUS.com or PACBELL.net as potential), but you can email me at iflin@artsci.wustl.edu which i will be checking sporadically, as well as my freebie account at jackhonky@hotmail.com which reminds me ANY BAY AREA ecto people want to get together for coffee? i would love to put a face to a name, and besides, i don't have all that many friends out here yet...moving was, shall we say, more difficult that i imagined it to be. ALSO anyone on ECTO have any friends or know of any connections in the design community here in the BAY AREA? i would love to start freelancing, but i am getting lukewarm responses from people i talk to. any foot in the door thing would be fantastic. summer tends to be a slow time in business is the line i am getting, but still....don't make me resort to working retail. the horror the horror.... and that is all. that is enough isn't it? love irvin - ---------- "you always thought I was weak but what doesn't kill you makes you strong and now you like me less because I went and proved you wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:24:03 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Shelf Life In a message dated 7/16/98 1:19:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horter3@paonline.com writes: << Personally, I always have at least 10 or so books in the "to read" pile. And that doesn't even count my almost weekly trips to the library. And with music as well. I think Jill can probably understand this, I always have a few CD's that I haven't heard stacked up for future listening. Well...at least one or so. If I don't have new music coming in, I stagnate. I think the same thing holds true for books too. Of course, I am a compulsive book shopper. >> Oh, yes.....I most definitely understand, Tom! Fortunately, I'm not nearly as compulsive with book-buying as I am with CD- buying. But I still have a pile of at least 30 or 40 books I've purchased and yet to read. At least with music, you can listen at the same time as you're doing something else. But books demand my full concentration......I can't read and watch TV at the same time (nor would I want to!). Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:42:10 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: On the Road again...... Hey, y'all ;-) Just wanted to let you know that I'm leaving for Philadelphia this morning and will be computerless until Sunday. So if you're expecting something from me (or for some reason miss my presence on e-mail), hang tight.....I'll eventually get back to you. My schedule: Thursday night (wow! that's tonight!): Jennifer Kimball and Deanna Kirk (a personal friend of mine) perform at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia Friday: Camden, New Jersey, Lilith Fair Saturday: Columbia, Maryland, Lilith Fair Sunday: a sleepy airplane trip home to Cincinnati Tab and Matt....sorry I didn't get my updated CD list done and sent to you. Remind me when I get back. Bill and Lisa.....I promise to get your cds in the mail to you early next week! (Lisa, Jack Off Jill will be playing here in Cincinnati next month.....wanna fly over?) Denise, Matt, Dana, Jenn, et al.......see you soon! Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:48:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Shelf Life Hmm... New books I tend to read immediately, or (if I've gotten several at a time) not to have them stacked up for too long. This used to not be true when I was living in Texas where, on the whole, the book stores are better than DC (well, that may not be true in all of Texas, but it was so in Austin and Dallas), but I don't buy as many books nowadays. With CDs, however, I have about 3 feet of CDs sitting in the "about to be listened to" rack, some of which have been there for a year. Most of them, however, are ones that I got rather cheaply, or listened to a few tracks and went "uhhh.... later....". On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Horter!!!! wrote: > np: Third Eye Blind: good pop with nice hooks. Any song about crystal meth > that goes doodoodoo is good. (see Rugburn's Tommy and Marla) Is that what it's about? I'd been humming it for months and never noticed - -- but then I rarely notice lyrics, and those that I do, I often don't wonder what they're about. Looking at the lyrics online, I still don't have much of a clue... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:39 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Cowboy Junkies bumped/Jewel TV next week Hi all, Due to time running out last night, The Cowboy Junkies got bumped to tonight on Letterman. Also Jewel can be found on the following programs next week: Sunday 9:00am CBS Sunday Morning Monday 11:00pm MTV FANatic (A new MTV show where a guest & their "#1 fan" [LOL, here] are tossed together & the resulting adventure that ensues.) Wednesday (see local listings in your area) The Oprah Show All the best, Alan NP-The Henry's "Puerto Angel" NR- "This Wheel's On Fire" Levon Helm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:04:25 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Fagg Subject: Re: Shelf Life On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Horter!!!! wrote: > I noticed looking at people's NR that y'all don't seem to keep very many > unread books around. Personally, I always have at least 10 or so books in > the "to read" pile. And that doesn't even count my almost weekly trips to > the library. I'm not sure what algorithm you've been applying to derive the number of books we have queued up to be read from our "n.r." lines! :-) I can assure you that, in spite of apparent indications to the contrary, I have a huge back-log of books waiting to be read. Probably getting on for 200 volumes. I have six feet of shelf space taken up by as-yet-unread paperbacks and probably even more hardcover editions. The book I am currently quoting in my "n.r." line was bought back in 1992. I tend to buy books in bursts, especially when the Folio Society is having a special offer, and my wife tends to buy books in batches too. Overall, I am clearly not reading my books at the rate I'm buying. They way I look at it is, I'm building up a nice library to keep me occupied in my retirement! ;-) This never happens with music. I always play new acquisitions at the very first opportunity, piling them up around the CD player - nothing gets shelved until it's been played often enough that I feel I "know" it. But then there is always music playing in our house, from either the radio or the stereo, whereas the only time significant amounts of reading gets done is before we get up at weekends. TTFN Steve n.r. Thomas Hardy - Jude the Obscure n.p.i.m.h. Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto No. 3 - -- Steve Fagg (nightwol@dircon.co.uk) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1313/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:51:31 +1200 From: Phil Sainty Subject: crystal meth Tom wrote: > np: Third Eye Blind: good pop with nice hooks. Any song about > crystal meth that goes doodoodoo is good. Sounds like an Ecto mantelpiece ornament... "(crystal woj sold separately.)" - -Philip (I wonder if they harmonise? :) - -- ectophil@netlink.co.nz Julia Fordham web site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/8080/JF_index.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 1998 15:00:03 +0000 From: Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook) Subject: RE: Lord have mercy Re: Housemartins, Beautiful South et al >after the third album (0898 BS) came MIAOW (and the swapping of female >singers, bye bye beautiful voiced BRIANA hello adequate, but not quite >as unique sounding JAQUELINE) which was never released here in the US If you miss her voice, she did release a solo album "When My Arms Wrap You Around" which was released sometime in 1996 (if my memory serves me correct!). tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: crystal meth phil sez: > Sounds like an Ecto mantelpiece ornament... > > "(crystal woj sold separately.)" BWA HA HA HA! didn't even think of that one. thanks for a big smile. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: Shelf Life On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Horter!!!! wrote: > > > np: Third Eye Blind: good pop with nice hooks. Any song about crystal meth > Is that what it's about? I'd been humming it for months and never noticed > -- but then I rarely notice lyrics "Doin' crystal meth with lift you up until you break" or something like that. The song is nominally anti-drug, supposedly inspired by a bunch of friends (or a friend?) of the band who were/was entirely too interested in the drug. The funny thing, at least to me, is that local radio station DC101, which is now vaguely an alterna-hfs-clone (though they'll still play zeppelin, aerosmith, van halen, and other blasts from their hard-rockin aor past) used to play a censored version of the song, in which the words "crystal meth" were mangled to protect our virgin ears. Or something. jeff (who *alays* reads new books and listens to new tunes as immediately as possible...and that's usually within the week, if not day, of purchase (unless purchased for a specific upcoming time frame, in which case he probably can't control himself and starts in anyway...;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: Shelf Life - ---Steve Fagg wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Horter!!!! wrote: > > I noticed looking at people's NR that y'all don't seem to keep very many unread books around. > > > I'm not sure what algorithm you've been applying to derive the number > of books we have queued up to be read from our "n.r." lines! :-) I am equally bewildered at how Horter!!!!(!) reached this conclusion. People mentioning only a few titles in their n.r. lines? That wouldn't indicate to me, if it did to Horter!!!!, hoarding. People mentioning many different titles? That wouldn't suggest piles of books to me. Try as I might, I remain clueless. (Probably a general state of affairs, but anyway.) How does one deduce from someone's reading patterns whether they take the next title from a pile in their livingroom, or a pile at a bookstore? Personally, I keep everything I own in piles: gravity is my housekeeper. Every once in a while I convert my vertical filing system into a horizontal one by tting things back on their home shelves, but usually only when they've made it abundantly clear that they prefer that orientation by going violently horizontal every time a truck passes the house. But, like Horter!!!!, I usually have an intimidating pile of unread books kind of impatiently tapping a foot. Same goes for music. Nowadays, for some reason I cannot fathom, I get bored with an album after two or three listens. Even the ones that feel like possible additions to my lifetime top-whatever list, after I've had them a few days I have to go out and buy another. (Usually another _stack_.) When I'm President, CDs will require the same kinds of warning labels that cigarettes now have. > > TTFN > Steve > > n.r. Thomas Hardy - Jude the Obscure > What I _can_ tell from people's n.r. lines, is that Steve's been reading Jude the Obscure for a while now. Savoring, Steve, or struggling? I've done both with Hardy. - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:52:32 -0400 From: Horter!!!! Subject: Re: Shelf Life At 10:55 AM 7/16/98 -0400, jeffrey c. burka wrote: >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Joseph S. Zitt wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Horter!!!! wrote: >> > np: Third Eye Blind: good pop with nice hooks. Any song about crystal meth >> Is that what it's about? I'd been humming it for months and never noticed >> -- but then I rarely notice lyrics >"Doin' crystal meth with lift you up until you break" or something like >that. The song is nominally anti-drug, supposedly inspired by a bunch of >friends (or a friend?) of the band who were/was entirely too interested in >the drug. Not sure on the origin of the song, though I would concur with its nominally anti-drug message. "doing crystal myth (I just checked the lyrics in the booklet-interesting)will lift you up until you break it won't stop I won't come down. I keep stock with a tick-tock rhythm and a bump for the drop. And then I bumped up I took the hit I was given then I bumped again and then I bumped again." Sounds familiar to me from my (only a few) experiences with it. >The funny thing, at least to me, is that local radio station DC101, which >is now vaguely an alterna-hfs-clone (though they'll still play zeppelin, >aerosmith, van halen, and other blasts from their hard-rockin aor past) >used to play a censored version of the song, in which the words "crystal >meth" were mangled to protect our virgin ears. Yeah. And MTV loves to take out the "bumps." >Or something. Definitely something. >(who *alays* reads new books and listens to new tunes as immediately >as possible...and that's usually within the week, if not day, of >purchase (unless purchased for a specific upcoming time frame, in which >case he probably can't control himself and starts in anyway...;-)) I TRY to, it just is physically impossible. I can only read at a certain rate, or listen at a certain rate. And I usually buy (or get from the library when I am feeling particularly sane) WAY too many books to read and too many CD's (are those "too" phrases real?!) to hear. Especially if I want to listen to anything more than a couple times. And I usually have music on nearly 24 hours a day (though it does repeat until my mind decides it is time to change. For example, I had BtC on for about two days straight last week.) I probably buy an average of 2-3 books a week (average, mind you). I also have several hundered left over from when I worked at a bookstore that I have yet to get through, though I do make headway. There is just TOO MUCH good stuff! Let alone when combined with email. ;-) And as far as what made me think of this (aside from me sneaking into all your houses to check your piles) was Jeff Burka's "n.r. _Meshugah_, Isaac Bashevis Singer (actually, I bought this for a trip in a few weeks, but ended up starting it last night. oops.)" I can't imagine trying not having plenty to read before a trip so that the book you bought specifically for a trip can be read on that trip. Of course, this might just be a question of self-control, more than backlogs. :-) Tom, bouncing off the walls. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Justice Subject: Anna Domino (was: whither the samson site?) On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, charley darbo wrote: > ---Kim Justice wrote: > > Radiant and terrified, they fall. -- Anna Domino > > Gave me a near chill to see this: sometimes you forget that you're not > _really_ the only person on the planet who's ever hear of Anna Domino; > it just _seems_ like that. > I say she should be given Ecto-goddess status. I sure like her work a lot. I am slow acquiring it, though, since I have to get it all mail order anymore; I just got "Mysteries of America" (1990) a month or two ago and like it a *lot*. Apparently, AD has recently moved to the Californian desert. kj - -- justicek@edge.net (Kim Justice) http://edge.edge.net/~justicek Radiant and terrified, they fall. -- Anna Domino ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:11:52 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Fagg Subject: Re: Shelf Life On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, charley darbo wrote: > What I _can_ tell from people's n.r. lines, is that Steve's been > reading Jude the Obscure for a while now. Savoring, Steve, or > struggling? I've done both with Hardy. Definitely savouring! I too have struggled with Hardy in the past (reading "The Trumpet Major" several years ago was hard work!), but I have been enjoying "Jude..." tremendously. I'm especially captivated by the air of detached intensity with which the story is told. It's a powerfully moving and involving book, carefully observed and most beautifully written. It's only been my "n.r." book for so long because I only get to read it for two or three hours a week while lying a-bed on a weekend. I only have the final part (of six) left to read but, now that the Tour de France is underway, the number of cycling magazines coming into the house (my wife buys them, but I can't resist reading 'em!) has tripled. Ho hum! :-) TTFN Steve n.p. Kim Justice - Water n.r. Thomas Hardy - Jude the Obscure - -- Steve Fagg (nightwol@dircon.co.uk) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1313/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Lord have mercy pink writes: > KRISTIN HERSH: STRANGE ANGELS - needs time to grow on me, but i can > tell it has potential I listened to this for a while and while it did take time to grow on me, I came to like it a lot. Then it rotated out of the CD player for a while and now it's back in. And I still like it a lot. It's subtle and beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:05:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Victoria Williams interviewed re: Webcasts Of possible interest: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/07/circuits/computing/16comp.html (which, now that the NYTimes has given up on charging for the site overseas, should be freely accessible from anywhere). - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:15 -0500 From: "Mike Mendelson" Subject: mila at NU Just back from seeing Mila (pronounced with 'i' as in 'ice', cf. Milla, where the i is like meat). Very nice. She played about 8-10 songs outside in the sun, including under the ivy, which of course is still a classic. She has some interesting stuff. I sat at a picnic table and read the lyrics from the CDs along as she played... not often I get to do that... at lunchtime! Not a huge turnout, a few of her friends and relatives in the audience -- mostly people just eatinhg lunch -- innocent bystanders. She played one song on the electric bass, which I've never seen (albeit capo'ed yay high). She has a strong voice and is a skilled guitar player. Very nicely paced - -- no rushing, virtually no noticeable nervousness at all -- very self-assured. This is nice to see and (I think) is the sign of a truly balanced and confident performer. It was almost like she was just singing and playing and to a large part ignoring her surroundings. Anyways, I need to listen some more, but she has a definite style, both lyrically and musically, which I mostly like quite a lot. yay. - -mjm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:21:53 -0500 From: "Mike Mendelson" Subject: mila (2) Oh, one last thing... the song I like most so far from what I've heard, is Constance, which happily she played second. Very well done on the guitar. This is about Alcoholism (or some such addition/abuse pattern), yes? - -mjm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: cos@polyamory.org (Ofer Inbar) Subject: Re: Shelf Life Riphug@aol.com wrote: > At least with music, you can listen at the same time as you're doing something > else. But books demand my full concentration......I can't read and watch TV > at the same time (nor would I want to!). I don't consider a new CD (new for me) to be "listened to" until I've had a chance to listen to all of it with full concentration, while not doing anything else. Not necessarily all at once. Just like a book. Certain things, like highway driving, don't really count as "doing something else". City driving most definitely does, though. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- The Left Bank Operation -- lbo@leftbank.com http://www.leftbank.com/ "the streets in Brookline truly are paved with gold" -- catness , 24 October 1995 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:58:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Lord have mercy On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, pink wrote: > ANYONE have news on the new LISA GERMANO album that is suppose > to be coming out soon? read about it someone. what's the 411? It's supposed to be coming out this Tuesday (7/21) and is called _Slide_. And that's all I expect to know about it until I rush out and buy my copy on Tuesday. :) Mike np: The Stone Roses -- The Stone Roses (I'd forgotten how much I love this album) nr: Nightseer by Laurell K. Hamilton | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:24:07 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Our Pantheon charley darbo wrote: >Gave me a near chill to see this: sometimes you forget that you're not >_really_ the only person on the planet who's ever hear of Anna Domino; >it just _seems_ like that. > I say she should be given Ecto-goddess status. Really? I mean I like _Colouring The Edge and the Outside_, _Mysteries of America_, and _The Twilight Years_ compilation but I don't really _love_ them. Two of her earlier discs flew in and out of my collection several years ago--it wasn't until I got the _Colouring the Edge_ ep that I even had a clue what people were talking about with her. Her music still hasn't seriously impressed itself on me. I've realized that my personal pantheon includes one male--Gabriel Yacoub--but the rest are all female: Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Sheila Chandra, Dalbello, Sandy Denny, Kristin Hersh, Veda Hille, Ingrid Karklins, Happy Rhodes, Jane Siberry, Kerri Simpson. That's 12, isn't that the pantheon limit? I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. But seriously, it seems to me that it might not be such a bad idea to add to our list of goddesses in The Ectophiles' Guide. I know that not everyone agrees on who should be there, but it would be nice if we could get a consensus on a couple of other people. Our current list consists of: Tori Amos Kate Bush Veda Hille Happy Rhodes Sarah McLachlan Jane Siberry I took it upon myself to add Veda--I couldn't help it, and I guess that's my perk for working on the Guide so much. Anyway, how about Mary Margaret O'Hara? Or of course anyone on my personal list? ;> It's not as though the artist has to be perfect. I know we could all think of quibbles about each one, and many of us don't like some of the artists there at all. But still... Vickie, what is your pantheon again? You seemed to me to have a fun and interesting take on this. Then again, a pantheon of six might be fine. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #231 **************************