From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #206 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, June 28 1998 Volume 04 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: POLL ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: POLL [cspacerage ] silliness [cspacerage ] Due South [JavaHo@aol.com] RE: POLL ["1LT Knapp, Kevin E." ] Re: achtung deutsche ectophiles [Dirk Kastens ] Re: Due South [damocalifragilistix ] Hector Zazou [Dirk Kastens ] spoilers noooooooo.... [Sherlyn Koo ] POLL [mbittner@juno.com] Re: POLL [meredith ] ecto TV shows [Michael Pearce ] jill and mila [meredith ] samson [Michael Pearce ] Re: samson [meredith ] curious...double-aimee-mann-sighting ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] echoes and one more thing [meredith ] Happy Rhodes' new cd? ["Jason M. Carter" ] Re: The Orginal Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers in Chicago last night [rjk1@c] Re: echoes and one more thing ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: POLL [dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:57:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: POLL On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > Like John, I don't play nice with the cable people, so I can't > speak to shows on networks like USA. I will admit, however, > that if DC Cablevision ever got their act together and started > carrying comedy central, I'd probably get it hooked up. But > my general observation over the years has been that it doesn't > matter if you have 7 or 70 channels; when there's nothing worth > watching, there's nothing worth watching: cut your losses > and do something constructive. After watching such excellent shows as HBO's "From the Earth to the Moon", TNT's "Babylon 5", and a lot of stuff onAMC, A&E, and especially BRavo, I think I'd go into withdarawl without DC Cablevision. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:41:34 -0400 From: cspacerage Subject: Re: POLL Hi there.... hmm...TV...ectopic... I never miss Millennium. I love the handling of the subject matter, from deep empathy to horror to dead-serious to quirky and comical. The musical choices for each episode are quite effective. One of the best shows I've ever seen. A&E plays reruns of Northern Exposure, which I adore, every evening. (My parents have lived in Alaska for the past 8 or 9 years, and it's really a weird and wonderful place.) Another show that uses some wonderful and obscure music to emphasize each story. I wouldn't be able to pick a favorite character or episode, but I'm rather fond of the one where a young female whooping crane refuses to find a mate because she's in love with Ed, so Ed & Chris have to teach her the crane dance in order to get her back into crane society. It's the last dialogue that blows me away every time...Ed asks, "How should we dance?" and Chris answers, "With abandon." Hmmm...I also like PBS's Sessions at West 54th, A&E's Biography, Dharma&Greg ("What are you, 8 feet tall?"), have mixed feelings about but still watch Ally McBeal during the season (at last a woman as idealistic and neurotic as I am a success in corporate America....), X-Files, and Monstervision with Joe Bob Briggs (genius). Then movies, movies, movies. laters... ~!@L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:30 -0400 From: cspacerage Subject: silliness In keeping with the POLL side commentary... I've always thought the names of the lead characters in the X-Files sounded like something one might try when feeling adventurous in a seafood restaurant... "Yes, I'll have the Mulder and Scully with onions...." ~!@L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:00:27 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Due South Paul responds: << I think that Due South challenges La Femme Nikita as the most ectophilic show in terms of music >> I had almost forgotten about Due South until it came up in the poll. I never missed it, and you're right...one of the things I enjoyed most about the show (aside from *ahem* Constable Fraser--deep lust) was the music. I always wished I could find a soundtrack, but have never run across one. Anyone know if it exists? Fave episode was the Leslie Neilson/train ride/performing horses episode. The show is not carried anymore in my neck of the woods, at least that I can find. :( Thanks for the memories...Java (aka Lisa, by the way) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:23:44 -0700 From: "1LT Knapp, Kevin E." Subject: RE: POLL cspacerage [cspacerage@lamere.net] wrote: > Hmmm...I also like... Monstervision with Joe Bob Briggs > (genius). You know, ~!@L (how do you pronounce that, anyway?), I almost put Monstervision on my response, and now I'm regretting I didn't. It goes along with the Happy's "Alice" character (persona?), and the vampire themes in some of her songs... - --Kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------ "While the core weapon of the 20th century land warfare has been the tank, the core weapon of the 21st century will be the computer." --GEN Gordon R. Sullivan, 25 MAY 93 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin E. Knapp http://www.oz.net/~zaphod/ zaphod@oz.net knappk@army.net - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:59:22 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: achtung deutsche ectophiles At 15:39 27.06.98 -0400, meredith wrote: >Hi! > >I finally have a minute to post this here. Veda Hille is going to be >opening for Holly Cole all over Germany throughout the month of July. I'm >sorely tempted to jump on a plane, but I've got way too much going on here >at home next month. Sigh. I hope those of you in the area can go and post >full reports! Danke for the information. >July 18 VEDA HILLE w. Holly Cole Bremen Moments This location is the nearest to my hometown (120 km). Unfortunately I'm planning to relocate on this date. My friend saw Veda last year in Bremerhaven and she was very impressed. I first heard about Veda at Klaus & Claudia's house. They played Spine in the background and I first thought it was Tori. Meanwhile I have bought three of her albums: Spine, Women in (e)motion (live), and Here Is A Picture. I don't know anything about Holly Cole, though. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:10:07 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Due South JavaHo@aol.com wrote: > I had almost forgotten about Due South until it came up in the poll. > I never missed it, and you're right...one of the things I enjoyed > most about the show (aside from *ahem* Constable Fraser--deep lust) > I always wished > I could find a soundtrack, but have never run across one. Anyone know if it > exists? Two of 'em, I believe...one from '96, and one that just came out recently. Both on Nettwerk, which shouldn't come as a surprise. Both feature tracks by Sarah... on a thread-related note, a number of people have mentioned _Northern Exposure_, and I'd have to throw in a vote for that being one of the best series ever. I have almost all of all but the final season on tape, and yes, the music was always great too. In fact, I think that was the first place I ever heard Loreena McKennitt used in mainstream media (and there were plenty of us chatting about it on ecto that evening and the next day!) jeff np _Possessed_, the Klezmatics ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:14:06 -0700 From: damocalifragilistix Subject: Re: Due South JavaHo (aka lisa ;) wrote: >I had almost forgotten about Due South until it came up in the poll. I never >missed it, and you're right...one of the things I enjoyed most about the show >(aside from *ahem* Constable Fraser--deep lust) gee, so that phenomenon is not limited to thatcher and francesca, then? >I always wished I could find a soundtrack, but have never run across one. >Anyone know if it exists? there is indeed - in fact, laur has it. let me just have a look... it was released in 1996 on "unforscene music", which seems to be some sort of subsiduary of nettwerk (neil?). anyway, you could probably find out more at nettwerk's site (try to guess the url ;) or at the due south site - you guessed it, www.duesouth.com. the more immediately obvious ectophilic selections are possession (piano version) by we-all-know-who, neon blue (holly cole trio), calling occupants of interplanetary craft (klaatu), bone of contention (spirit of the west), . the musical choices tend to be in quite good taste, and the original scores are generally pretty ecto-friendly. it's also got that guitar solo "ride forever" by paul gross from the episode you mention below... worth it in itself, i think. ;) hm... there. track list at http://www.duesouth.com/trading/ds20120.html apparently there's also a soundtrack from the new shows coming or already out... i remember laur mentioning it, but i'm not sure where she saw it. maybe somewhere on the site. >Fave episode was the Leslie Neilson/train ride/performing horses episode. The how could it not be? some of the new ones (due south disappeared for a couple of years but was thankfully revived) have been *really* surreal, though... maybe even more so than that one. and in the last new one i saw the old ray was back from his undercover job... the first half was excellent - but it was a two-parter, and for some reason when i tried to tape the second half (on at 2am) it didn't work, so i never got to find out what happened! *sob* anyway. - -damon (np "ride forever" because i couldn't resist. really conjures up that image of a trainful of mounties...) Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/\_ "Canadians lie awake at night damon@pobox.com __\ /__ worrying if there's a hyphen Les Jums: jumeaux@pobox.com \ / in anal retentive" http://pobox.com/~jumeaux/ |/||\| - Red Green ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:33:22 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Hector Zazou Hi, I just bought the new album by Hector Zazou, Lights In The Dark. After his trip to the cold seas (1994) he takes us onto a "journey to the source of sacred irish songs". LIDT contains 13 songs that originate from a time when paganism progressed towards Christianity. The booklet (very comprehensively and in three languages) describes the historical background and the origin of the songs. The three female singers Katie McMahon, Breda Mayock, and Lasairfhiona Ni Chonaola do an excellent job of interpretation. The album features guest-appearences of Mark Isham, Peter Gabriel, Brendan Perry, Riuichi Sakamoto, and Caroline Lavelle. If it wasn't bright and hot outside I would listen more often to this great album. I'll keep it for the long autumn and winter nights. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:37:15 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: spoilers noooooooo.... Hey folks, Paul said, regarding the X-Files: >him...and did it seem like in the movie that M&S were wild-goose chasing >across the globe with little rhyme or reason? I know that they had to go to Whoa, buddy, hold it right there. No spoilers, please, some of us live in countries where the final season isn't over yet! :) sherlyn, who also likes "Due South" and "Buffy" and "Homicide" even though none of them are being shown here right now. Also "China Beach" when it was on, and oh, I'd also like to plug "Wildside", which is the best thing the Australian Broadcasting Commission has produced since "Police Rescue"... oh, and "Reasonable Doubts" rocked too... and on and on and on... === Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au ========================= a+e=ig "All my life and all my days and all my nights surround me, Every time I needed it, the magic always found me. And if I'm bound to all the world, all the world is bound to be..." - Peter Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:04:50 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com Subject: POLL Yes, I will state that I watch little TV, since I have a three year old running around and he's a lot more fun than most TV. However, there are two shows that I try to watch as often as possible: Dharma & Greg (even though Elfman is a scientologist, or whatever that is) The Pretender And I would have to agree, that the most ectophilic show IRT music is Due South, which I watch very little of, unfortunately. A third choice would be - since I'm a displaced Clevelander - The Drew Carry Show. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:53:33 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: POLL Hi! (This is just more on the tv thread, so delete if you're not into following this one. :) Java replied: >OMG! Me too. How can I be so sick? I *did* have to leave the room after "Mr. >Hanky the Christmas Poo" appeared on screen in the Christmas show, though. >Hubby stuck it out even through the references to corn. ARRRRGGGGGHHHH!! Heh. That episode was definitely full of "I cannot BELIEVE I'm watching this on television" moments. But I loved it anyway. Chip commented: >-I have found that, when under the influence of fuzzy blue drinks, >many ectophiles divulge secret loves that they don't normally admit >to in the presence of other ectophiles. Like "The Brady Bunch", >for example. Or Xena? And I wasn't even under the influence of anything (except possibly massive humidity) at the time. Hmmmm. Damon responded: >welllll... i have to admit that, though i would harldy go so far as >"obsessed", on the two or three occasions i have actually been bored enough >to just "channel surf" and come across xena and actually watched the whole >thing, i have quite enjoyed it. I'm still trying to psychoanalyze myself and figure out just why I love this show so much. At first I assumed it was going to suck so I just never watched it, but then last spring I stumbled across a couple of episodes and paused to watch them for lack of anything better to do, and one day I finally realized that the show does *not* take itself seriously, and from then on I was inextricably hooked. I mean, I'm even getting into online fandom: the only non-music mailing list I'm on is chakram, the moderated (thank the gods) Xena list. It's been fascinating to compare a list like that to, say, ecto. Some of the posts to chakram have had a tail-wagging tone to them that have made me just roll my eyes and scroll past, but yet when I think about it, if that same post had been made about a musical artist I'm really into I wouldn't think twice and would probably immediately post a reply. It's been an interesting social experiment for me. I do want to state for the record, however, that despite the fact that I have the 1998 Xena calendar and spent my first-quarter bonus on the set of 1st season videotapes and have stayed up way past my bedtime on way too many occasions surfing around Xena web sites, I have not attended a Xena convention, nor do I ever plan to do so. Even I have to draw the line somewhere. ;> Oh -- and Paul, I *hate* Xena's war cry too. All I can think of when I hear it is Miss Piggy hauling off to deck Kermit. Ugh. >i've had an unfortunate history with b5. i saw the pilot and wasn't >tremendously impressed, and due to that and to lack of time didn't really >watch it for several years. That happened to me too. I watched the pilot and tried to watch the first few eps, but the dialogue was so bad I just couldn't deal. Eventually I caved in to my sister and most of my friends telling me I had to start watching, and at the beginning of the third year I tuned in. Thanks to the Lurker's Guide To Babylon 5 I was able to catch up with enough of the backplot to know what was going on, but I know there's still quite a bit I've missed. I'm glad TNT is rerunning everything (though not in Canada, alas - I know lots of people up there are incensed by that) - we've taped it all, but just haven't had time to start watching. I figure that will be a good way to ease the withdrawal after the series' end. >which actually makes me think to ask - does anyone know if tapes of shows >like that (and, for instance, due south and the kids in the hall, two >others i'd be interested in) are available from the producers, and if so, >at what sort of prices? Babylon 5 isn't available on video as far as I know, though I'm sure that will happen eventually. For other shows, theck your local video store -- I've seen some pretty surprising things in the television section of the stores up here. I think I've seen Kids In The Hall on video, though I may just be hallucinating again. As for prices, the going rate for a tape featuring two full episodes is usually no more than US$19.95 (thinking of X-Files, Star Trek, and Hercules tapes I've seen, here). If they were to release a set of B5 eps by season, I wouldn't want to pay more than $150 to $175 for it (my set of Xena videos was 12 tapes for $150, not bad). Re DS9: >- i won't say anything in case someone hasn't seen the season finale and >intends to, but it seems they've managed to make me care about the >characters there... *sob*), I thought the whole thing was totally anticlimactic, and completely glossed over at the end. Hopefully they'll remain true to form and properly flesh out the repercussions to the rest of the crew next season. >and while voyager's certainly still not great >trek, it seems to be becoming a little more decent. I will admit that a couple of the eps I did watch this year were rather well done, but all in all I don't feel compelled to go out of my way to watch it. Paul noted: >I think that Due South challenges La Femme Nikita as the most ectophilic show >in terms of music... I didn't realize Due South was back in production -- I don't know if it's on anywhere here. I assume it's syndicated? >It's a fun, engaging show, yes...something that i've recently gotten >into...but I don't think that it's the best-written show on the air (my monkey >opinion, of course)... It's subtle. Things jump out at you upon repeated viewing. >but i can't seem to get enough...and when they used >Sarah McLachlan's "Full of Grace" on the season finale, i cried...*sigh* I thought the song was perfectly used in that scene. I was just talking to Don Keller (welcome back to ecto, Don! :) about this, and he's of the opinion that Sarah Michelle Gellar may have had something to do with the selection of that piece, as she's stated in public that she's a huge Sarah (and Tori!) fan. Maybe she needs to get a copy of Happy's new disc. ;> +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:26:43 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: ecto TV shows Hello, Happy. Good luck on your connection with Samson (of the outdated web site). I don't know if this helps, but my never-miss shows (when not in reruns) are: x-files and millenium (fox) homicide, life on the streets (nbc) south park (comedy channel) la femme nikita (usa) babylon 5 (wgn) when they are showing new ones (when?) madTV (fox) cartoon sushi (mtv) simpsons (fox) There are more, but these are the primary. Planning an ad campaign? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:33:29 -0400 From: meredith Subject: jill and mila Hi! Last night the planets were aligned just right and we were able to catch both the Jill And Richard Show at The Living Room and Mila Drumke at Arlene Grocery (both in NYC). "Jill And Richard" was Jill Sobule and Richard Barone, who were doing what was supposed to be an unadvertised set, though the word had obviously gotten out somehow. I've never seen so many people crammed into The Living Room (at one point I think there were at least 60 people there), and I'd bet money that woj, Mike Curry, JeffW, John Henshon and I were the only people in attendance whom Jill didn't know personally. It was a very loose, spontaneous, loopy hour+ of music, and it was all a ton of fun. They did most songs together, and in the end I think they ended up doing more of Jill's compositions than Richard's, though they did mention they had written a few of the songs together. Mostly they did stuff that they have either never recorded or haven't gotten round to recording yet -- Jill played one song that she said wasn't even finished, but she wanted to try it out on us, and it was really good. She played it while Richard held her lyric notebook for her - it was really cute. :) The highlight of the show (for me, anyway) was when they played a song they wrote for a film called "Next Year In Jerusalem", which is supposedly going straight to video by next February, in which they both have bit parts playing a Hasidic couple. (I have *got* to see that. :) The song was called "Everyone Is A Queer" (Jill said she'd decided to play it in honor of Pride Weekend), and by the end of it most everyone in the room was on the floor. It featured a litany of people who are supposed to be queer, e.g. "every Broadway actor I've ever met" and my personal favorite, "the entire cast of 'Bewitched'". ;> And, straight from the rumor mill to you: I guess I'm just out of it, but I didn't realize Jill and Richard are a thing (or, as Susan Werner would call it, a "love unit" ;) until this show. Richard did one solo song and he mentioned it was 'for someone special on their 9th anniversary', but I'm not sure if he was talking to Jill or not - then right after that Jill came back onstage and said something about not wanting to bust anything on this occasion, but there's just something she needed to tell the world, then they both did a really surreal cover of that "She's Having My Baby" song (who originally wrote that, anyway?). I was really confused after that, especially so when afterwards we saw her just outside the door, and she told us she plans to get back into the studio by the end of the summer and then go back out onto the road in the fall. If she really is pregnant then I don't know if touring will really still be in the cards by the end of the year, but who knows? If anyone can set me straight on all of this, I'd really appreciate it. After this first part of the evening we walked down the block to Arlene Grocery, where Mila Drumke was supposed to go on at 10. It was almost 10 and the previous band, Smitty's was still well into their set. They were so loud the volume was plenty high enough even out on the street, so Mike and I elected to stay outside while woj and JeffW went in until they couldn't take it any more. Most of Mila's band was hanging out on the street too, so we weren't worried about missing anything. Smitty's didn't finish until almost 10:30, and by the time Mila et al. got situated and started playing, it was just before 11. I didn't mind, though -- we had managed to worm our way smack up front (the better to worship at Lyris Hung's feet ;), and they played an amazing set, so the wait was well worth it. And I bet Paul Blair didn't mind either, as he would've been late otherwise. :) The band was the standard configuration: Lyris Hung on violin and guitar, Elissa Moser on bass, Mark Sacco on drums, and Mila on guitars and even bass, on the one new song they did. Every time I see them, Lyris comes up with weirder and more wonderful things to do with her electric violin. She recently got a nifty effects box, which she gleefully manipulates with her feet, and she can get everything from cello sounds to full keyboard washes out of it. All of this was much in evidence during "All Fours", the new song - if Lyris is involved with the arrangement of all the new songs Mila plans to write this summer, the next album is going to be beyond brilliant. "All Fours" is also interesting because the rest of the instrumentation is two basses and drums, no guitar. Granted, Mila puts a capo on her bass so it sounds very guitar-like and finger-picks it like a guitar, but it's still a bass, and it still sounds really cool. And of course, over it all, as always, is Mila's incredible voice. Unfortunately for us in the New York area, Mila is heading home to Chicago for the summer, so there won't be any more shows until the fall. However, she promises to come back with a bunch of new material, so I'm really looking forward to the next round of performances. Oh, also from the rumor mill: after playing "Motorboat" (the song featuring Karen and Don Peris on _Illinois_), Mila mentioned that she was going to dedicate the next song, "Lullabye" to Karen Peris, who was apparently due to have a baby yesterday! I had no idea. I hope all is well - anybody have the inside scoop on whether baby Peris made his/her appearance on schedule? Thus endeth another weekend foray into NYC. I don't think we'll be back in town for anything musical until July 10th, when woj and I are going to see Sequentia perform Hildegard von Bingen's _Ordo Virtutum_ as part of this year's Lincoln Center Festival. I can't wait for that - apparently they're doing a full staging, not just performing the music. Alas I'll be out of town for what I'd hoped would be a fascinating coda, a new-music performance of Hildegard's works by a group of electronic music folks (including Eve Beglarian, whom I've mentioned here before) calling themselves Hildegurls. Hopefully with enough prodding Hillary can be persuaded to post something about it here. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:43:53 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: samson meredith writes, > Subject: Re: happy's new album? > The Samson Music > page is at . I'd strongly recommend getting on > their mailing list - the other day a package came from them and I wasn't > home and Tamar and woj just about drooled themselves dry waiting for me to > open it, but it turned out to be a radio single by someone not Happy. I got that too. This leads to a number of questions: Is Samson contributing to the collapse of radio into mindless repetition of the same single song, over and over, by shipping out these one-song CDs, and will they do that to Happy too? Even she could wind up victim of overplay, but initially that would be far better than the NO play she has been getting from 99% of the country's stations! They are doing a good job with McKinley by getting her on a good tour, and they seem to be working the long haul for their artists, instead of dumping a bunch of quick money and expecting immediate return. But in spite of her being local, and Portland having a horrid batch of radio stations at best, she is little heard in town and has to play coffee shops when home. But Samson has not updated their web site since last fall! There is no mailto form on the page, and no email contact. I tried mailing a response to musil@goldo.com about the 1991 single they sent me and it bounced with a destination unknown. Maybe they have a staffing problem? They certainly need someone net.savvy on staff! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:05:46 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: samson Hi! Michael Pearce fonted: >I got that too. This leads to a number of questions: Is Samson contributing >to the collapse of radio into mindless repetition of the same single song, >over and over, by shipping out these one-song CDs, and will they do that to >Happy too? I don't know. Probably, but who knows? This reminds, me, though: at both The Living Room and Arlene Grocery there were posters up for Douglas September (the Samson artist whose CDs we both received this week), who is apparently playing at both places in the next couple days. Both venues are rather small-potatoes (they charge no cover and pass a tip bucket around at the end of every set to pay the band), but they are most definitely good springboards for getting new artists some exposure in the City. Looks like the folks at Samson have been doing their homework there. Happy can probably bypass that because she's got a few Bottom Line performances under her belt already, but I still couldn't help thinking how great it would be to see her at The Living Room with just a guitar and maybe a bass for accompaniment. I know she's planning Big Amazing Mega Tour for this fall so there's probably no chance of that happening, but it's still nice to dream. :) >Even she could wind up victim of overplay, but initially that >would be far better than the NO play she has been getting from 99% of the >country's stations! Which is worse: no airplay, or people turning off their radios in disgust because they can't stand to hear that same damn song one more time??? Is the backlash more harmful in the end than no exposure to begin with? Probably not, but it's something I wonder about as I hear "Adia" on the radio in our office building's cafeteria for the seventh straight day. ("Adia", by the way, supplanted "Foolish Games", which replaced "I Don't Want To Wait" as the ubiquitous lunchroom song-of-the-day.) Do I really want to deal with the potential of a Happy song being slammed on the MTV Movie Awards (as "I Don't Want To Wait" was in an otherwise hilarious Dawson's Creek skit)? Do I want to read accounts of Moxy Fruvous making the same snide remarks onstage about Happy that they've recently been making about Jewel? (As long as Happy doesn't publish a book of poetry she's probably safe from that, but who knows?) >But Samson has not updated their web site since last fall! Yeah, that's pretty scary. >Maybe they have a staffing problem? They certainly need someone net.savvy >on staff! Hmmm... if they were only located in New York instead of Omaha... :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:15:46 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: curious...double-aimee-mann-sighting So I just got back from seeing _The Opposite of Sex_ (dark, nasty, cynical, and hysterical), and one of the trailers was for your basic "troubled artsy teen gets in big trouble and sets off on the road" kinda flicks. So half way into the preview, "I Should've Known" starts playing, and I'm thinking "cool music choice" and then the name of the film appears, and it's _Whatever_. So somebody out there must be an Aimee Mann fan, eh? jeff n re-p _Possessed_, the Klezmatics ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:18:55 -0400 From: meredith Subject: echoes and one more thing Hi! I was just sniffing around the Echoes web site and did a search on Happy's name in their playlist archive, which goes back to March of 1994. She sure has gotten a lot of airplay on that show! She's been played in the past couple weeks, too -- "Temporary and Eternal" has been played in the past week (I'm sure as a plug for the Living Room Concerts disc), and last week they played "Summer" and Project Lo's "Mercy Street". Sigh - I wish I lived in an area where I could hear the show more often than just once a week. I hope Samson Music is aware of what an enthusiastic and longtime supporter Happy has in John DiLiberto. I'd drop them a line and remind them myself, but it's kind of hard to reach them through their web site. Matt reported: >"Vickie Mapes because she annoyed the people on Gaffa. The Ectophiles >because they represent one of the reasons to continue." Wow. That's just too cool. I guess the moral of this story is: be careful whom you piss off on the Net. You never know *what* you might start! :) Amazed that ecto's 7th birthday passed with minimal fanfare last week, +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:36:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jason M. Carter" Subject: Happy Rhodes' new cd? What is the street date for the new Happy Rhodes cd? I didn't think it was out for sale. The reason I am asking is I manage a music store that deals primarily with used cds, and a customer brought in a promotional copy. Imagine how excited I was!!! The artwork is beautiful, as is the music of course. Stupid me, I left the cd at work, so I will post more info on it to the list if anyone is interested in knowing about it. If the album is already out for sale, boy am I out of it! ______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Carter The opposite of war isn't peace, carterj@email.uah.edu it's creation. -Jonathan Larson, RENT ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:13:20 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (bob) Subject: Re: The Orginal Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers in Chicago last night charley darbo writes: > It was one > of the best Victoria concerts I've seen, despite (or perhaps because > of) the fact that she made a real effort to deflect the spotlight from > herself and keep it on the ensemble--especially on her husband Marc, > whose project the Dippers putatively is. Sounds like it was a great show - wish I could say the same for the one the night before that in St. Louis. Not that it wasn't an enjoyable show, but it wasn't great. Oddly, I'd say it was a much different situation here, with no question on where the spotlight fell. Owing perhaps to the tie-in of the Jayhawks with the whole Son Volt/Wilco/No Depression stuff that held St. Louis in it's grasp for several years and perhaps to the fact that Victoria'd never played town before, the spotlight fell quite clearly on Mark. I could count on one hand the number of songs Victoria led and still have a digit left over. It was four songs into the show (Humming Bird, Valentine King, Be On My Way, Call the Light) before he really introduced her. > Mark tried to get Vic to stick to a playlist > that largely alternated between his stuff and hers, while she kept > goading the band to play Mark's songs. They continually deferred to > each other, which kept the show warm and spontaneous. Not that there weren't some spontaneous moments here, but I suppose it was the lack of Mike Russell, their regular bass player, that to a large degree restricted where they could go in their show here. In Mike's shoes was Eric, apparently Mike's brother-in-law. > The unquestioned high point--a highlight of my concert-going > life--was during a song called maybe "Old Blind Dog" or something All in all, I'm glad I didn't miss it and I'd gladly go to another, but it wasn't a show-of-the-year, much less of-the-lifetime for me. It probably would have been much more enjoyable if, with Mike unavailable, Mark and Vic just winged it as a duo. Eric spent several between-song breaks thumbing through a notebook looking for the next song and at one point Mark, seeing Eric lost, took over bass duties in mid song. It's not that Eric wasn't good on the stuff he knew, but between that and some feedback problems with Vic's amp, at times you could tell Mark was a little, um, unnerved by the way the whole night was going, ultimately using a broken string during the encore as a convenient point to end the show despite Victoria's voiced desire to continue. bob np. The Simpsons ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:38:04 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: echoes and one more thing meth sez: > I guess the moral of this story is: be careful whom you piss off on the > Net. You never know *what* you might start! :) So how many of us folks still here were in on that original thread on gaffa? It seems to me it started around Memorial Day '91. Hmm....does Bill maintain gaffa archives anywhere? > Amazed that ecto's 7th birthday passed with minimal fanfare last week, we were too busy ignoring the whole Charlie 'n John Show. I think I made some comment about it before the fact, but neglected to do anything on The Day. Oh well...there was plenty of talk last year when someone-who-will-rename-nameless-but-she-probably-knows-who- she-is (HI!) congratulated the list on it's 7th and we had to explain the real age. ;-) jeff np _Making Movies_, Dire Straits (well, actually, it was playing while I was making dinner, but there's just silence now, so isn't that close enough?) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 1998 21:09:29 -0400 From: dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley) Subject: Re: POLL "deighmunne a.k.a. damange" writes: > one show my sweetie introduced me to about a year ago is _due south_ > (www.duesouth.com), which is an hilarious and often quite surreal show > about a mountie in chicago. I liked this show when it was on US network TV. Unfortunately, the revived version doesn't seem to be showing around here (funny, we're so close to Canada). Lots of very ectophilic Canadian artists. > another thing laur introduced me to is the _reasonable doubts_ reruns she > has religiously kept on tape. a typical sort of courtroom show, featuring > a deaf woman as the main character, Marlee Matlin. Really deaf, and a good actress. Good show. - -- Dan Riley dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University "History teaches us that days like this are best spent in bed" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #206 **************************