From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #197 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, June 22 1998 Volume 04 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- mix tape help [Pez Girl ] Re: January [Ofer Inbar ] Re: addendum to the last lot of rambling [Sherlyn Koo ] [canadian-music] Hello...! [Riphug@aol.com] The Starbucks Lilith Fair CD '98 now on website [Riphug@aol.com] argh!!! [meredith ] Re: Sarah Polley [The Watcher ] Re: Sarah Polley [Neal Copperman ] Carmina Piranha [Michael Pearce ] experiencing (was Re: Sarah Polley) [Neal Copperman ] Re: karaoke night at the stratford ramada [Sherlyn Koo Subject: mix tape help Okay, I've got about three-five minutes of blank tape at the end of a mix tape I'm making. So far, the side looks like this: "Indian Summer"/Luna "Wow and Flutter"/Stereolab "Make the Weather"/Waitresses "Driving with One Hand on the Wheel"/Aimee Mann "Wanted Was"/Bob Mould "Lay of the Land"/Merrie Amsterburg "Angeles"/Elliott Smith "Sideshow by the Seashore"/Luna "Strange Powers"/Magnetic Fields "Epitaph for a Crazy Chorus Girl"/Julie Ritter "Tour of the World"/Damon & Naomi "Naomi"/Neutral Milk Hotel ...what should I put on next? Any ideas? Bueller? - --Chelsea ps. Anyone have a discography for NEutral Milk Hotel? They're my new musical obsession... - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "the only thing I want to do is make a great, big, fat story in my own language and really have people throwing up and driving cars fast." -- Hal Hartley, on _Henry Fool_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: January rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (bob) writes: > and Ofer Inbar enquired: > | > January See Thru > | > | Is this the same January I know and love? Local Boston area goth-rock > | band with Christine Zuffery on lead vocals? I didn't think anyone on > | ecto would be familiar with them, though I do think a fair number of > | people here would like them (as well as Christine's other band, Sabot, > | where she shares lead vocals with her friend Mona). > > It would indeed be the one and the same, though I can't claim to have > had any exposure to them prior to finding the disc. The store didn't > have a player out for listening, but the lyrics and instrument selection > looked good enough to take a risk on (all the more reason to include lyrics/ > band line up in the liner...). Admit it, though - how many of you could > pass on a band that covers "Oompa-Loompa-Doompadee-Doo"? Yup, that's them! I first ran into them on May 30th, 1996, when they played at WBRS. I'd booked them without ever having heard them, but they played on my night to engineer, so I got to mix them. I really loved their sound, their manner, and their creative attitude. They were a lot of fun to work with, and I've stayed in touch with them ever since. At the end of that show they burst into a spontaneous 20+ minute jam that sounded just great, and was completely unplanned. I'm *so* glad we were recording! They also did a WBRS promo song, a modification of their Oompa Loompa cover: "Oompa Loompa Doompadee Doo, I've got a Radio Station for you..." I had them back here for a show on September 25, 1997, and hopefully will again. > | On the other > | hand, as far as I can remember January only has one CD and I don't > | think it's called "See Thru". I'm at work and my January CD is at > | home so I'm not sure. Is this a different January? If so, who? > > A bit of web digging shows it to be their self-released debut, preceding > their more recent release, "Keep Me From Sleeping". Opinions as I make my > way through the stack. ;) Aha! Keep Me From Sleeping is indeed the January album that I have, and that WBRS has. But now that I know the first album exists, I may be able to extract one from them :) np: Well, I'm staying up late at WBRS processing a backlog of new material from the mail bin. A more eclectic & random bunch of CDs than the WBRS new-mail bin, I haven't seen anywhere. I'm airing them and listening, trying to figure out which section to file each CD in. Some cool stuff from the past few hours: Jupiter 88, Chris Hillman, Rachid Taha, Species Being, Tulku, The Brian Jonestown Massacre, Seaver Hoos on the Loos (weird!), Monster Magnet, Sue Foley... Oh, and I played that Oompa Loompa station ID by January, at 2am :) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- The Left Bank Operation -- lbo@leftbank.com http://www.leftbank.com/ -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org/ "Aren't you ever *not* on-line?" -- Caitlin Xantha Hazen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:53:38 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: addendum to the last lot of rambling Hey folks, Jeff Burka said, regarding Kathleen Wilhoite: >Hey, isn't that the same actress who played Benny's girlfriend on LA Law way >back when, whom everyone (and especially Vickie) thought looked strikingly >like Happy? Whoa... you're right, on both counts. The IMDB tells me that Kathleen Wilhoite was in "LA Law", and now that my memory's been prompted, I think she *was* Benny's girlfriend. And yes, she does look like Happy. Spook me out, brussel sprout! :) sherlyn === Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au ========================= a+e=ig "All my life and all my days and all my nights surround me, Every time I needed it, the magic always found me. And if I'm bound to all the world, all the world is bound to be..." - Peter Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:25:18 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: [canadian-music] Hello...! Subj: [canadian-music] Hello...! Date: 6/21/98 2:06:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: andyc@istar.ca (Andrea ) Reply-to: andyc@istar.ca To: canadian-music@makelist.com Hey guys! Welcome to the Canadian Music Mailing list...just as we got the ball rolling a little...we've moved the address to smoe...canadian-music@smoe.org Sorry for any inconvience, but I hope you'll e-mail canadian-music-request@smoe.org and re-join Canadian Music at our new home. A big thanks to Jill :D of FTE fame and Jeff Wasilko for all the help in our relocation. The reason for the move is the question of security at makelist, so far, I don't think I've encountered any problems but like they say, prevention is better than cure...or something like that... Again, sorry, for any confusion, hassel, etc but I hope you'll join us at canadian-music@smoe.org Thanks for the time! ~Andrea! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PROUDLY CANADIAN MUSIC: http://home.istar.ca/~andyc/proudlycanadian.htm BOOTLEGS BABY: http://members.tripod.com/~andycanada/boots.htm ***Please send all trade related e-mails to: andycanada@yahoo.com ICQ: 10294764 AOL IM: TheAndyC Join #canadianmusic on the Undernet!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:21:41 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: The Starbucks Lilith Fair CD '98 now on website You can now order the Starbucks Lilith Fair '98 cd by visiting the Starbucks website: www.starbucks.com......or by calling 1-800-STARBUC. The cd is $11.95. They're keeping a journal of their travels with Lilith Fair, similar to how the Lilith Fair website does. You can also enter a sweepstakes to win a stereo and cds..... The website also will be posting any in-store performances (Starbucks stores) by LF artists. Jill ;D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:44:43 -0400 From: meredith Subject: argh!!! Hi! I don't suppose any other NYC-area ectophiles managed to tape Autour de Lucie on New York Today (or whatever that show is called) this morning? I *completely* spaced on it until just now, and I'd promised Yves a copy. I'm so sorry, Yves!!! I guess that's what happens when you're out until 2:00 in the morning at a karaoke bar with Susan Werner. (More on that later, I'm sure... ;) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:45:48 -0500 (CDT) From: The Watcher Subject: Re: Sarah Polley At 02:27 AM 6/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:56 PM 6/19/98 EDT, Riphug@aol.com wrote: >>I recently watched "The Sweet Hereafter," too......really enjoyed it..... >No offense Rip (I adore you) but I just don't >understand how anyone can say they "really >enjoyed it" even if it is considered a brilliant >film. It's not a film to be "enjoyed" in the >accepted sense of the word. That presupposes that one can only 'enjoy' something on an emotional level. Certainly, on an emotional level, one does not 'enjoy' a movie that is this heavy. (Well, not unless one's a masochist. 8^)) However, a person might still enjoy it on an intellectual level, for instance, as it fosters internal debate over the morality or ethics of this or that action of a major character. Spoiler (discussion of sexual abuse and/or incest below) S P O I L E R >People who haven't >seen it should be forewarned that it's a heavily >depressing movie, that it's about children dying >and parents grieving and ambulance chasing and >sexual abuse I just wanted to interject here that the film does not actually portray the relationship between Nicole and her father as one of sexual _abuse_. Certainly, a sexual relationship is implied (through a single kiss), so that the film does portray incest. However, there is no indication that this relationship is nonconsensual (which I regard as sort of a requirement for a relationship to be called abusive).[1] Basically, the film takes a nonjudgemental view of the relationships between its characters, which is in line with one of the themes of the movie. >There is no uplifting >ending or easy answers or solved problems. That basically is one of the themes of the film: some things just happen, cannot and therefore should not be explained, but we must still find a way to move on and live our lives. [1] I realize that any such relationship as this, no matter the circumstances, _could_ be (and often is) regarded still as nonconsensual. It is not certain that the very young have the knowledge and/or experience to really consent to such a thing. OTOH, we don't know (that I remember) a precise age for the girl in question, or when the relationship began between her and her father. (She was in high school, so could have been as old as 17, which is the age of consent in some states.) Though, it must be said, that the relationship between father and daughter is one of trust, and so the father could still have abused such trust to initiate the relationship. What I am saying, though, is that nothing of this sort is implied in the movie (the one scene is portrayed as very tender, though the music gets a little heavier). IMO, only what the director has placed onto the screen can be used to analyze the relationships therein. (Yes, I know that there is a book, and no, I haven't read it. But the director could have had his own interpretation of said relationships.) I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine when someone reads into a movie what is not there. No offense implied to Vickie. John Higdon (The Watcher) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Sarah Polley On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 Riphug@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/98 2:39:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > elan@access.digex.net writes: > > << As far > as I can tell, I'm the only person who came out and said they weren't > particularly impressed with Sarah Polley's singing. I loved the movie, > and thought she did a fine job, and I was quite pleased to hear a Jane > song in the film. But I thought her version was flat and thin, and I > don't remember a thing about the song in the closing credits. >> > > Something about her whispery voice reminded me of Lisa Germano. > I guess that's why I liked Sarah's singing. Well, I like Lisa Germano (kinda, sorta and sometimes), but she's an odd case for me that took a long time and many CD's and a concert before she started to work for me. So maybe if Sarah Polley is along those lines, I'd have to listen more than once during a movie. Neal np: Flaming Lips - Zaireeka (Disc 3 - One day I'll actually hear all of this at once. It's 4 discs designed to be played simultaneously, though they sound reasonably interesting on their own.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:52:45 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Carmina Piranha Anyone heard of this band? A track on the radio immediately grabbed my attention, and I found the CD "Revenge Poems" yesterday. To quote from the back of the CD: "This CD contains the original musical score for a ballet choreographed by Oregon Ballet Theatre's artistic director, James Canfield. After hearing the song "Ruby Slippers," Canfield persuaded Carmina Piranha to compose the entire score for a rock ballet in collaboration with OBT. The result is a 45-minute musical odyssey that weaves a tale of love gone very wrong." The band is all women: Coley Smith, electric guitar, effects; Lisa Stringfield, vocals; Kristen Swanson, drums, vocals; Kristin Converse, bass; Lara Michell, acoustic guitar, vocals. This ballet was excoriated by the morality-control crowd in Portland as obscene, kidporn, etc. because the dancers in OBT are quite young (many only 14) and horror of horrors, simulated sexuality, women kissing, etc. But articles by people who have no such agenda were quite enchanted with the ballet. Wish it were still playing so I could see it. But Revenge Poems is a really good album. np: "It's Good Eve" - Vonda Shepard Michael =======================Welcome to Childfree Village!==================== "Give them a light and | http://www.moonmac.com/ they'll follow it anywhere!" <*> mp@moonmac.com --Firesign Theatre | michael@pmug.org K E E P T H E | N T E R N E T F R E E No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: experiencing (was Re: Sarah Polley) A loose ramble inspired by John's comment (ending when I lost myself). On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, The Watcher wrote: > I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine when someone reads into a > movie what is not there. No offense implied to Vickie. It always seemed to me that the nature of appreciating anything (art, theater, movies, music, tv, advertising, kitchenware, architecture, cloths, bugs, ...) is an interplay between the thing and the individual. Something created to be experienced generally has a goal or point of view, but what people get out of it may or may not be what the artist intended. Each person has their own way of reacting, and can respond to an artwork in different ways, and it always seemed to me that those reactions are often as interesting as what inspired them. Plus, people bring their own backgrounds and personal experiences to things, and will undoubtedly fill in the gaps in their own ways. In The Sweet Hereafter, you saw a kiss and drew some conclusions. You seem to view things pretty intellectually, so you are willing to abstractly consider many alternatives and the repurcussions of them. (Just a guess.) Other people experience things more emotionally. The image of a father/daughter kiss is going to trigger some strong emotional responses from people. I imagine Atom Egoyen had to have realized that, and the vagueries are left in there just so people can fill in the background themselves, and react as they will. (That is pure speculation.) Hell, I'm happy to throw out parts of movies that I don't think add up to the whole that I'll build in my mind! May not be the conclusion the director intended, but I don't think they are infallible either. I've seen plenty of movies where if you threw away the last 5 minutes, you'd have (in my mind), a far better movie, and if I could control the viewing, that's how I'd watch it. I also believe that people can write things far beyond their understanding: Symbolism that the author didn't get, layers of unintentional meaning. And if the author says "oh no, I just wrote a book about a monster, that wasn't a metaphor for growing old, or dealing with cancer, or childhood abuse", well, isn't it interesting that people could see all of those things in there? So I guess I'm always intrigued by what people read into a movie that I didn't see. I've certainly been to movies where I've thought a fact was obvious only to find that many other people thought something entirely different I'm thinking we better not go to a movie together! Neal np: The Nields - Mousse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:15:19 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: experiencing (was Re: Sarah Polley) Neal Copperman wrote: > I also believe that people can write things far beyond their > understanding: Symbolism that the author didn't get, layers of > unintentional meaning. And if the author says "oh no, I just wrote a book > about a monster, that wasn't a metaphor for growing old, or dealing with > cancer, or childhood abuse", well, isn't it interesting that people could > see all of those things in there? Since a lot of the theatre/etc work that I've done tends to be nonlinear and "abstract", I've gotten a lot of interesting reactions to it. I did a piece once involving four men dancing to sounds I recorded in Jerusalem. Many people came up to me afterward to tell me what they had figured out the piece was "about". I was pleased that, while most of them bore no resemblance to what I was thinking about in creating the piece, none of them came up with things that I would have wished *not* to say. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:42:23 -0400 From: meredith Subject: karaoke night at the stratford ramada Hi! Okay, so Sherlyn has privately e-mailed me her expected reaction to my little teaser earlier, now I can go ahead with the concert review. ;> Last night Susan Werner (svetlana!) performed at the Twelfth Note Coffeehouse in Stratford, CT. She'd never been there before, and neither had we ("we" being woj, myself, and JeffW). I knew it was in a Methodist church, but didn't expect the performance space to be in the church itself - - usually those places have other rooms for that sort of thing. As a result the entire experience was rather weird, but it didn't cross over into the realm of the surreal until later. When we got there the opening act, a duo from Westchester County NY called Too Human were still doing their sound check, which didn't sound promising. Their actual set was a bit better, but overall they were just your regular husband-and-wife songwriting team doing really generic folky music. The wife sounded just like Kim Carnes, which didn't help. Their set wasn't all that bad, and it was mercifully short. After a short intermission Susan took the "Stage" (i.e. the area right in front of the altar; behind her was this HUGE imposing crucifix that had been giving me flashbacks since the moment I walked in), and did an hour-plus set of her standards and a few new songs. Unfortunately somebody else grabbed the set list, so I don't know the names of the newest tunes she did. The one about the movie about her life was hysterical. She was even cracking herself up in the middle of it (for a moment I thought it was the fact that we were sitting right up front dying of laughter, but it turns out it was her roadie Jane, who was sitting in front of us dying of laughter that was really doing it to her). The audience was, to say the least, difficult. I think we were the only ones who had ever seen her peform, and I know a lot of the other people there had never heard a note of her music before, and were just there because they're regulars or parishioners or both. Plus it was in a church, which will shut the best of people right up. She commented on this on several occasions while trying to draw people out of their shells, but it just didn't work. Basically it was the three of us cracking up at her between-song banter, and a wall of silence everywhere else. I felt bad for her, really. Still, she got a great ovation at the end, and people seemed to enjoy it. It was just a weird place to see a performance. Afterwards Jane, the aforementioned road manager came and told us we had to go back and hang out with Susan to keep her from mingling with the people in the audience, so they could get out of there at a reasonable hour. We gladly obliged, then a reporter from the local Stratford paper showed up to interview her so we went back out and watched Jeff help Jane pack up. :) We helped load up the car and then Jane and Susan invited us to join them for a beer. There was a pub (that was its name) just down the street, but this being Connecticut it was closed (it was after 10 o'clock on a Saturday night, for god's sake :P), so we ended up following them back to their hotel, where they were pretty sure there was a bar. This is where it started to get surreal. :) The bar was really loud, and it didn't take long to realize that it was karaoke night. Susan was really psyched by this discovery, and found the songbook while Jeff and Jane took care of the drinks. We staked out a table in the back (between the pinball machine and the Arkanoid video game table), and Susan started picking out songs. She decided upon the Barbra Streisand classic "People" to start, then forced Jeff and I to pick songs. Jeff picked Devo's "Whip It" and I, assuming I'd figure out a way to weasel my way out of the situation, said to put me down for Nena's "99 Red Balloons". Nothing we could say or threaten to do would convince woj or Jane to pick songs. Susan also picked a George Strait song and signed the name Ralph to the request slip, and put herself down for the Gladys Knight song "Midnight Train To Georgia". After several excruciating minutes, it was Susan's turn. She was brilliant: slinking nervously up to the singing area, letting the (obnoxious) DJ show her how to hold the microphone, and stumbling through the first few lines of the song, singing softly and slightly off-key. The group of people at the table closest to the "stage" were cheering her on ("come on, Susan, you can do it!") while we were all sitting there in the back trying not to hyperventilate. She miraculously got better and better as the song went on, until by the climax of the chorus she totally let it rip. All conversation in the bar stopped, and all eyes immediately were riveted on her. (She said at that point she heard the DJ mutter to himself, "oh, no." ;) She came back to our table to a rousing ovation. We were all laughing so hard we could barely see. Several more excruciating minutes passed, then my pseudonym was called. I couldn't escape, and before I knew it Susan was leading me up to the stage to lend me moral support. All I'm going to say is, if I'd had any inkling I was actually going to be forced into that situation, I would have at least picked a song within my range (which, incidentally, makes Tanita Tikaram's look like Kate Bush :P). It's not something I care to repeat, and I'm sure the world is going to thank me for it. Susan, of course, thought the whole thing was hysterically funny. As I was heading back to the table Jeff's name was called. Devo is at least within his range, and he did a marvelous job. :) Susan thought he was pretty funny, too. A while passed after that and her name just wasn't being called and it was getting late, so we decided to pack it in. We ended up standing just outside the bar in the lobby chatting for a few more minutes, and then we heard "Ralph? Is Ralph here?" so of course Susan ran back in and explained to the (obnoxious) DJ what she'd done and asked if she could do the Gladys Knight song instead, and he agreed. She took the mic and announced "I need some Pips", and two women at the bar came forward. What followed was a positively smokin' rendition of "Midnight Train To Georgia", with surprisingly good backing vocals, and the entire room was cheering by the end. As the song ended the DJ uttered the immortal line: "Susan, who the *fuck* are you?!?" And we all fell onto the floor. I think her answer was something like, "oh, nobody." Jane immediately ran back to their room to grab tapes of _Last Of The Good Straight Girls_ for the Pips, and we hung around for a few more minutes. Shortly thereafter Jane came back and grabbed some CDs, announcing that she was going to sell some. Susan really didn't want her to do that, but she went back to the bar anyway and came back with a wad of cash in her hand, so really I don't know why Susan was complaining. Apparently people were asking Jane, "Is she famous?" :) She should be a hell of a lot more famous than she is, but I guess that's neither here nor there. So there you go - a completely surreal evening in the annals of what passes for our lives. I think everyone had fun, and nobody got hurt (though my stomach muscles were complaining when I got up this morning - I laughed so long and hard between the show and the aftermath that I was literally in pain). Hopefully we'll get a chance to do it again sometime - Susan and Jane are both really cool, genuinely nice and fun people. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:57:44 +1000 (EST) From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: karaoke night at the stratford ramada Hey --- > Okay, so Sherlyn has privately e-mailed me her expected reaction to my > little teaser earlier, now I can go ahead with the concert review. ;> Hey, now. I haven't forgiven you yet, so I'm going to say it again, and publicly this time - I hate you. And Jeff. A lot. You're causing me actual physical pain! Honestly. Really. Truly. :) sherlyn ps - sigh. Why did I have to be born in the hemisphere where none of the good music is? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "This is the song that we are always just this side of singing..." - Peter Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: karaoke night at the stratford ramada On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, meredith wrote: > deleted We've got the Borders tours, the Starbucks tours, The Living Room Tours. Maybe Susan could pioneer the first ever Karaoke Bar Tour. Neal np: some Rykodisc sampler or other. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:36:06 +1200 From: Phil Sainty Subject: Where have all the good times gone? 2 (Joni Mitchell, "Blue") Wa-hey! More ectofodder on New Zealand radio :) "Where Have All the Good Times Gone?" -- National Radio at 4:06pm next Saturday (mark your calendar) -- is looking at Joni Mitchell's superb album "Blue" (which I happen to have played a bunch recently... ectosynchronicity, I guess :) - -Philip ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #197 **************************