From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #167 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 04 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- various replies [meredith ] Re: introduction ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Arvanitaki [Juha Sorva ] Re: paul's own version of a meth ;) [Neal Copperman ] Iva Bittova web page ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: No response to my Fleadh '97 question! :( [jjh969@juno.com] Re: Minimalism [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] re:minimalism ["Tom Ditto" ] Re: Re[2]: Minimalism [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:46:25 -0400 From: meredith Subject: various replies Hi! Owen responded: >Well, I've always been on the outer edge of Natalie Merchant fandom, but >I think the photos are hilarious. I always thought Natalie was too >serious for her own good, so I'm glad to see that she can lighten up. I don't know if it can really be considered "lightening up" if the shots are from a film, but I guess I see your point. :) >Also, I think those photos are supposed to be all the personas in the >song "Ophelia" (hard to make everything out without the lyrics, and I >haven't listened that closely, but I seem to remember "convent bells", >"circus girl", etc.). Aha ... that would certainly make sense. (See??? If I just had the damn lyrics, I could have figured this one out on my own. ;) >I've never been overwhelmed by Natalie before, but the strings have >hooked me on this album. I like it quite a bit. And I agree that the >"Ophelia Reprise" is wonderful. Makes me wonder what Natalie could do >with an instrumental album. I was thinking the same thing. She's always shown flashes of compositional skill ("Verdi Cries" comes most immediately to mind). Richard Konrad replied: >I really see her more as a partisan of the Brecht/Lotte Lenya stuff of >the 20s & 30s... Listening to her, I find myself in hazy galleries >populated by flappers and Man Ray types and a shadowed figure working a >Theramin- Just my personal reaction to an incredibly provocative artist >who I finally got to hear with her USA release of _Spine_. Wow. I'll bet Veda could easily see herself in those exact same galleries. :) Amazing how evocative her music is... >I have a long way to go in convincing her that not all people one >meets on the Inet are axe murderers and pedophiles who deals with divorce & separation & how it affects kids>, so I hold >open a chance to meet some of you, but I don't hold my breath.... Hey, with the exception of Paul, I'm sure you could get several testimonials from people here that we keep the axes at home. ;) Neal noted re Falcon Ridge: >I could definitely be convinced to go. It would be pretty trivial to >convince me, as I was already interested and was just hoping to find a few >others so that I wasn't spending the whole weekend by myself. I've got >camping gear too, and think an ecto campsite would be great. I smell the germ of a plan ... though I feel I should pass along that Mike Curry rather helpfully pointed out to me that there is a listing of nearby motels etc. on the Falcon Ridge web page, . >I figured if Valerie was proposing the idea, there would probably be a >hurricane or something :) >Cindy Lee was great as ever. She asked where the ectophiles and eda's >were, since the show was relatively sparsely attended. She knows the ectophiles? Well damn, if I'd known that I'd have introduced myself last week. There were two of us there. >It seemed to me that in both of her recent shows, the ones with and >without the band, her musical assault had mellowed a bit. Less so with >the band, where there were tunes that she was certainly screaming. Maybe >I'd just gotten used to her more. I'll add the solo show to your pile of >tapes and you can decide for yourself, if you are brave enough to listen >to the tape :) (Maybe I'll mis-label it to confuse you.) Heh. I look forward to it. >There's always so much going on in the immediate area that it's hard to >inspire myself to make the 3+ hour trek up to NYC. Though maybe I should >plan a weekend in the city sometime that corresponds to one of Veda's >shows (not a 25 minute one though!) I'm hoping she gets to do a gig at the Mercury Lounge when she comes back, at least. That would be a 45 minute set for sure. >np: Grass of '96 sampler, and the incessant sound of sneezing You're even allergic to grassy music? That's bad!!! Paul posted: >I have to second meth about seeing Veda live. I wish i could make it up to >see her in NY, too...hmmm...I think that i'm probably the only DJ who plays >her in the mid-atlantic region :) Although, i wouldn't put it past XPN to do >so... Does WXPN go out on a limb for any interesting artists any more? I would actually not be surprised to see _Spine_ added to the World Cafe playlist, since David Dye is pretty chummy with the folks up at WFUV, all of whom (especially Rita Houston, the music director) are positively orgasmic over Veda's music. One can always hope. >anyways, Philly seems more likely a place to have Veda play live than >MD/DC...I don't know if Spine was serviced to radio stations, and if it was, >what kind of radio stations (probably college indie stations)... It's been serviced to over a hundred stations now. I'm trying to get a listing, and if/when I do I'll be posting it on the trajectory web page, so people can see if anywhere in their area has it and call and bug people to play it and stuff. I'll keep everyone posted. >When is FRFF this year? Anyone planning on going to the Appel Farms Festival >in June with Moxy Fruvous, Indigo Girls, and more...or the XPN singer- >songwriter weekend the second weekend of July with Moxy and others? Falcon Ridge is the last weekend in July (I think it involves the 26th somewhere). When is Appel Farms? I always want to go to that, and never do. >Paul is not a fan of natalie merchant. The photos in her album scare him. Paul gets scared *way* too easily. ;> Kerry reported: > Hi, Jeff Buckley's mother is going to release his un-finished songs. >See the article in Newsweek for June 1. Is that _Sketches For My Sweetheart The Drunk_, which was released today, or something different? Jessica wondered: >i was reading meth's post about Levi's and Lilith which mentioned >feeling lukewarm about going to Lilith--and I just wondered why. I was lukewarm because: - -- I couldn't go last year due to various schedule conflicts, and I didn't feel *one* pang of regret about it, even after watching the specials on VH1 - -- I'm not sure I want to pay all that money just to fry in the sun and hardly get to see anything while the artists I've come to hear are on stage for only 20 minutes Plus, I'm starting to find that the only musical artists I really give a serious hoot about any more are the ones that are overlooked by Lilith: the totally independent (or damned close to it) Veda Hilles, Mila Drumkes, Susan McKeowns, Ingrid Karklinses, Emily Bezars, Merrie Amsterburgs, Susan Jameses (and yes, even still Happy Rhodeses) of the world who are out there working their butts off to sell their CDs so they can have the werewithal to make another one. The people whom I can say hello to after the show, and they're genuinely glad I came. (I think one of my most enduring musical memories will turn out to be the look on Mila Drumke's face when she found out that not only had JeffW driven all the way to NYC from Boston a second time just to see her play, but Yves was there all the way from France, and he'd already known who she was before he got here. :) The personal connection makes the music more real to me somehow, more tangible, more like something that really matters to somebody. Do I still like the music of Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Natalie Merchant, Beth Orton, Heather Nova etc.? Sure, but I no longer feel a pressing need to drop a lot of time and money to see them play. If I don't show up, several others are guaranteed to take my place. I don't have a problem with Lilith as an entity at all - on the contrary, I think it's way cool that so many women are getting the chance to strut their stuff on the national stage. I'm just not motivated myself enough to want to take the time to go to it. (Now, if the Lilith organizers had offered Veda Hille a spot on even the second stage in Vancouver (not the card-table stage as they did, which is silly considering that's her hometown and she already fills pretty good-sized venues there) I'd think about making the trip, but they didn't, and she turned them down, so hey, I'm going to save myself a ton of cash. Thanks. :) I am, however, going to get up at ungodly o'clock on Saturday morning to get tickets to see Tori Amos at the Oakdale Theater. Some things will just NEVER change. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:58:36 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: introduction aardvark of destiny sez: > > Hello ectophiles! My name is Chelsea, and I subscribed over the > weekend to the list after reading your archives for a while. Welcome! > I must admit, I did not realise this was a mailing list for a specific > person... it can be hard to tell from the archives or from descriptions. While the list is dedicated to Happy, it's as much about ectophilic music, books, films, and any other topic imaginable as it is about her. This is due in part to the fact that it's been 7 years (well, 6 years and 49-ish weeks) since the list got going, and there's only so much one can say about Happy, particularly when it's been 3 years since a full album release. But the list has always been very open minded about subjects. > Anyway, some artists I like. Lately, my turntable and CD player have been > taken up with the playing of Mary Margaret O'Hara's _Miss America_ A long-time fave amongst many 'philes. I wonder how many of us have the original release... (or how many of us actually knew what Catherine O'Hara was talking about during her monologue on SNL many, many years ago, when she told a tale and mentioned her little sister... ;-) [some fave music] Groovy list, with many ectophilic artists (though if you've browsed the EGtGM you probably know that) > Game Theory Check out Hex, Donette Thayer's follow-up band [fave writers] > and Armistead Maupin (of _Tales of the City_ fame). Anyone out there have Showtime? The sequel, _More Tales of the City_ has finally been filmed and apparently is going to start airing on 6/7/98. I'd love to get a tape of it. (the cast is apparently much the same as the original PBS special, including Thomas Gibson as Beauchamp Day....interesting that he took the roll again, given his new-found stardom thanks to _Dharma and Greg_ (and, for that matter, _Chicago Hope_)) jeff (who doesn't have cable tv...) np: _A Guide For the Perplexed_, Jewish Alternative Movement(various) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:34:16 +0300 (EEST) From: Juha Sorva Subject: Re: Arvanitaki echo wrote: > i have been looking for "the bodies and the knives" Neile Graham replied: > Alternatively, there's a whole catalogue of Greek music only. > I can't remember the name I have no idea whether the one I've visited is the same one or if they carry that particular album (I'm not familiar with Eleftheria Arvanitaki's music at all), but there's a Canadian website with lots of Greek stuff, including a music mail ordering service, at http://www.greekvillage.com/ By the way, thanks for the Genesis tips everyone, I guess I'll have to go buy a couple of the old albums when I get some money again... I'm currently broke after mailordering thirty-something CDs which are on their way to me now (so it would be a while until I had the time to listen to those Genesis records anyway). Juha who had all the EWS symptoms before joining the list, but only now is able to put a name to his ailment. The devil doesn't seem to be getting any better for being known, though.... n.p. Garmarna: self-titled e.p. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: paul's own version of a meth ;) Paul2k meth'ed : > Neal C...i can probably get Mimi's album at my record store for around $11.25 > or so with my employee discount...we actually got her album in quantity (ie. > more than 10 copies) and have it in a listening station...email me if you want > me to pick you up a copy. Thanks for the offer. I think I can get it fine at SOund Garden, but I'll keep you in mind if that doesn't turn out to be true. > When is FRFF this year? Falcon Ridge is July 24-26. Check out www.FalconRidgeFolk.com for more details. > Anyone planning on going to the Appel Farms Festival > in June with Moxy Fruvous, Indigo Girls, and more... When and where is this? > or the XPN singer- > songwriter weekend the second weekend of July with Moxy and others? I doubt I'll be doing that. The third week is Lillith (and Artscape, Baltimore's major art and music festival, 2 blocks from my apartment), and the following week is Falcon Ridge. But maybe I'll want to jump start all of that music.... > Paul is not a fan of natalie merchant. The photos in her album scare him. The list of people who scare you just keep growing! And yes, some of us really are keeping track :) Neal np: Patty Griffin @ the Metro Cafe in DC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:54:12 EDT From: Paul2k Subject: Gold Circle (samson records) news I read in the latest Billboard Magazine today that Gold Circle, the company that started Samson Records (and is owned by that Gateway 2000 guy), just bought a radio station out there in Omaha, Nebraska. They plan to use it as a testbed for the type of music that they are putting out through their label. It's the first time that a label has bought it's own radio station, and it doesn't appear that there are any legal problems with it. They are hoping to turn the radio station into a kind of AAA format station...the change in format probably won't happen for aorund 6-8 months though since they have to hire new staff and they also hope to increase the wattage from 6,000 to 25,000 :O i'm pretty sure that they won't be just playing their own releases :) Sidenote : my radio station which i doubt has much of a listening audience, has been playing pretty much all of Samson's releases, including McKinley and CPR, David Crosby's new band... Paul "radio killed the phonograph star" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:12:31 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Iva Bittova web page (Did I scoop the awesome Riphug??? Wow!) http://www.unibase.cz/relax/Art_Zoyd/Iva_Bittova/Iva_Bittova.html Unfortunately, most of it is in Czech, but there are some cool photos. Vickie (**DEEPLY** envious of you folks who are seeing her live. I've known about her for about 7 years and used to play her on my radio show! I even put her on one of the Ecto samplers years ago. -insert pout here-) Lisa McPherson Memorial Page http://www.primenet.com/~cultxpt/lisa.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:34:42 -0400 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: No response to my Fleadh '97 question! :( Ariana, Can't say if it's worth while, but with the lineup's thei've got I can't take a chance on missing it. Randall's Island, NYC Ticketbastard (212) 307-7171 or order online @ http://www.guinnessfleadh.com/newyork.htm Saturday June 13 Sinead O'Connor The Chieftains Chumbawamba Squeeze Nanci Griffith The Saw Doctors The Corrs Richard Thompson Mary Black Dar Williams Luka Bloom Loudon Wainright III Maura O'Connell Davy Spillane Tommy Makem Donal Lunny Band Clancy, O'Connell & Clancy John Fahey Chris Smither Blink Jeb Loy Nichols John Martyn Rubyhorse Rogues March Great Big Sea Susan McKeown Noella Hutton Richard Davies Dirk Hamilton Jimmy McCarthy Sunday June 14 Tracy Chapman Indigo Girls Los Lobos X Rosanne Cash Shane MacGowan Patti Smith Wilco Billy Bragg The Saw Doctors Joe Ely Paul Brady Black 47 Altan Yo La Tengo Eileen Ivers Band Frances Black Capercaille Natalie MacMaster Hayden Too Cynical to Cry Pierce Turner Mary Coughlan Mary Jane Lamond The Prodigals The Bogmen Solas The Frames Greg Garing Francis Dunnery Last year the sound company I work for as a side job did the engineering and sound reinforcement for the local battle's of the bands' that lead up to the Fleadh. One of the bands that were successfully in garnering a spot on one of the side (local talent) stages "Blink" got asked back for this year. They liked our work enough that they may ask us to engineer their Fleadh performance this year. The jobs we got last year didn't pay too well but we were hoping to at least get backstage passes for the Fleadh out of the deal. As it turns out I was out in California when it went down. I came real close to canceling that trip. Robert Young, the producer came through with the passes at the last minutes but we ended up giving them away. He offered us the same gig this year but my boss turned him down, too much work, too little money. I tried to talk him into at least doing the finals, that way we would be reasonably assured that we wouldn't have to endure some of the less talented contenders. I hate large outdoor concerts but with bands like Susan McKeown's, Capercaille, Altan, & Eileen Ivers, and the high profile names to boot, I guess I'll just have to grit my teeth and give it a shot. Pray for temperate weather. John ********************************************************************************************** Paradise Sound The Sound Choice For Choice Sound ParadiseSound@juno.com ----- 718-850-2300 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/triadmedia/sound.htm On 26 May 1998 19:29:20 EDT Ariana@excelsior.net writes: >Come on I remember last year several posts on Fleadh at Randalls >Island. I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. I know one or 2 of >you must be out there. Can someone tell me if it's worth my while going. >Is it extremely crowded, long lines for food/beverages. What's the >story? Someone please respond! :) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:37:37 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Minimalism Hi, To me, Reich was like the best possible rainstorm in an abandoned glass bottle factory. Most, definitely not all, Glass music is, to me, like his name suggests: brittle. KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. To suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:37:45 -0400 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: re:minimalism Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: larnep@pathfinder.com (Larne Pekowsky) Subject: Re: Minimalism >Pointless trivia: If I remember correctly, this piece was used at >several points in the "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" radio series. - Larne - ----------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- - ----------------- Riley had a point or a hook or something if Larne went back to it via The Hitchhikers' Guide. Perhaps claiming to have achieved an arc of chromatic music was trivialized in that drama by some of the series' own glaring trivializations, but in the context of throwing harmony into the academic mix, Rainbow in Curved Air revitalized music by my chromatic lights. Don Buchla built Riley's main analog box, and Don Buchla also built the lighting control board for the Electric Circus in NYC where Tony Martin made colors shift to music in 1972 or so. I once asked Bob Moog why he thought it was called the chromatic scale. I learned that Moog didn't see the connection between light and music. Buchla did, and Riley demonstrates that. I experimented with loops at about the same time Reich was teaching at the School of Visual Arts and had reason to suspect something was wrong. His work involved speech and intonation. _Come Out_ did not prepare me for the enormously successful follow-up for 18 instruments, a credible 20th masterpiece in my book (not my lights.) I don't think Reich has ventured into visualizations except through his wife who is a noted videographer, but Glass has been far and away the most visualized. As Zitt said, Glass has found collaborators of the highest order. . Einstein on the Beach's lighting must have been something to witness at the Met. I'm sure Don Buchla got himself into that audience. Act One is a music video that is not boring, and the visuals are not boring either :-) even without my participation. You should understand that, _The Photographer_, a Glass album, was worked into the much shorter video, Act One during the height of Music Video experimentation and is about as pop as Glass gets. He did his best. It didn't save Columbia from Sony. They don't do Glass on MTV anymore, if they ever did. Glass' _The Photographer_ is the story of Edward Muybridge. Those of you into the history of photography will know his name. He more or less recorded the first movie. This sort of art has legs. It will be played after we're long since finished babbling about it here. Dr.Tom@MailCity.com "Do you copy? Over" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Re[2]: Minimalism On Tue, 26 May 1998 cheneh@mail01.adm.duke.edu wrote: > someone (i think mr zitt) wondered whether raves were still > happening and as a matter of fact they are. and people still trip at > them. im no expert on the genealogy of electronic forms but the rave > 'scenes' have definitely become more sophisticated and probably much > more commercialized since the mid 80's. electronic club culture is > different in the UK, europe, and japan, and even in the larger north > american cities, but where im from (a midsized college town in the > south), the atavistic buzz you might expect to find at at many of the > tent/warehouse parties gets a more than adequate boost from K, X, etc. And speaking of buzz, that's the name of the weekly event at the Capital Ballroom. So if you want to check out what's happening locally in the techno scene Joe, that's the place to do it. I've been told that the events, while weekly, are pretty elaborate affairs. Neal np: Elvis Costello & The Attractions - Best of... ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #167 **************************