From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #130 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, April 26 1998 Volume 04 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) [Juha Sorva ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] some upcoming concerts in the Cincinnati area [Riphug ] Not exactly in Jill's league but.. [Richard ] Correction on Oxy & Eze [Sharon Nichols ] Re: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. [Riphug ] Re: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin [Dave Williamson ] Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) [Neal Copperman ] Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) [Valerie Nozick ] Re: Imax and Jonatha (was :Not exactly in Jill's league but..) [Paul2k Subject: Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) Hi. On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Neal Copperman wrote: > Welcome Juha... Would you believe we used to have another Juha on the > list, some years ago? Doni't know what happened to her though. Him, most probably. Him :). Juha is a very common Finnish male given name, and I've never heard of a "Juha" who wasn't a Finn. Juha n.p. Garbage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** **************** Christine Waite (waite@axon.rutgers.edu) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Miss Megan Celia Koster Sun May 14 1978 Taurus Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:11:24 EDT From: Riphug Subject: some upcoming concerts in the Cincinnati area In case you haven't heard (and not including Lilith Fair, Horde, Jammin' on Main, or Dave Matthews Band): It's not too late to get tickets for tonight's Shawn Colvin appearance at Bogart's! Patty Griffin will be appearing (with Chris Knight) at Top Cat's on Sunday, May 10th. And Alana Davis will appear there on Monday, May 11th. Tickets are available through TicketMaster. March Cohn & Jonatha Brooke (with Kacy Crowley) are at Bogart's on Friday, May 1st. And Ben Folds Five (with Superdrag) are there on Tuesday, May 19th. Tickets are available through TicketMaster. Maura O'Connell will be appearing at the Southgate House (24 E. 3rd Street, Newport, KY) on Friday, May 29th. Tickets are $15/$18 day of show. (513) 779-9462. September's Cafe (921 Monmouth Street, Newport, KY) will feature Four Bitchin' Babes on Saturday, May 9th, (tickets are $16/$18 day of show) and Carrie Newcomer on Friday, May 15th. The Carrie Newcomer concert is a FREE SHOW......for tickets and/or information call (513) 779-9462. (Note: Four Bitchin' Babes will also be appearing in Columbus on May 8th......tickets are $20.50) Q102 starts it's annual Party at Sawyer Point concert series on May 6th with The Menus......CityBeat magazine has the full schedule for these Wednesday *after-work* concerts. If you haven't seen them already, you *must* see OVER- THE-RHINE on June 3rd. To summarize: Saturday, April 25..........Shawn Colvin............................Bogart's Friday, May 1.........Jonatha Brooke/Marc Cohn/Kacy Crowley......Bogart's Wednesday, May 6........The Menus...............................Party at Sawyer Point Saturday, May 9............Four Bitchin' Babes...................September's Sunday, May 10............Patty Griffin...............................Top Cat's Monday, May 11............Alana Davis...............................Top Cat's Friday, May 15..............Carrie Newcomer........................September's Tuesday, May 19...........Ben Folds Five...........................Bogart's Friday, May 19..............Maura O'Connell.........................Southgate House Wednesday, June 3.......Over the Rhine...........................Party at Sawyer Point If you have any questions/comments, please make sure not to reply to all since this information has been cross-posted to several mailing lists. Thanks! Jill :D (The Paula Cole concert at Bogart's which was postponed because of !@#$%@# snow, is still a go........however, no make-up date has been announced yet.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:59:29 -0500 From: Richard Subject: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. my raid on the used bins at three of Boulder's CD shops resulted in: Dee Carstensen: _Regarding the Soul_ Carrie Newcomer: _My Father's Only Son_ Kate Price: _Deep Heart's Core_ Patty Larkin: _Angels Running_ (w/Jonatha Brooke & Jennifer Kimball on many tracks!) Cindy Lee Berryhill: _Straight Outta Marysville_ Dayna Manning: _Volume 1_ Susan McKeown & Lindsey Horner: _Through the Bitter Frost and Snow_ Suddenly, Tammy!: _(We Get There When We Do)_ ($4.95!) Chantal Kreviazuk: _Under These Rocks and Stones_ Krisitin Hersh: _Strange Angels_ Tara MacLean: _If You See Me_ EP Happy Rhodes: _HR5_ EP Billie Myers: _Growing Pains_ Holly McNarland: _Stuff_ Merrie Amsterburg: _Season of Rain_ Vyktoria Pratt Keating: _This Guardian at Noon_ ($2.98!) Joy Askew: _Little Darling_ EP ($1.00!) Ingrid Karklins: _A Darker Passion_ ($4.95!) Most others were in the $5.95-7.95 range- What a *great* town for used ecto!! And, Ellen: Have you visited Cheapo Discs on 28th opposite the Crossroads Mall? Ignore the Woolworth/Goodwill ambiance, cuz the prices here are indeed Cheapo, the selection is huge, and it's all very nicely organized. Unrelated to anything but worth mentioning: The IMAX presentation, _Everest_ at the Denver Museum of Natural History- I never thought I could experience true vertigo from a 2-dimensional image on a screen, but this technology just blew me away. The screen is humongous and the sense of depth and space it provides nearly knocked me (and everyone else present) out of our seats. Highly recommended. Also, I took in Jonatha Brooke in a club setting here in Portland the night before flying to Colorado, and was surprised to find myself disappointed- Not in her gorgeous one-of-a-kind voice, but her attitude: She seemed genuinely annoyed to have to make a side trip up here and repeatedly made snide remarks about Maine, despite a SRO house of about 250 VERY appreciative and demonstrative fans, and played just over an hour, omitting several of the songs (including _Angel In The House_) from the set list Bill posted here from Seattle a while back... But most of all, several people I talked with after the show agreed that she just didn't come across as a very nice person. That's really too bad. r - -- n.p. Chantal Kreviazuk _Under These Rocks and Stones_ n.r. Jack Kerouac _On The Road_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:28:54 -0600 From: Sharon Nichols Subject: Correction on Oxy & Eze These are the names of Happy's nephews... Sharon Terra Incognita http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/3450/terra.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:59:10 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Re: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. Wow, Richard! I think that *does* make you in my league! ;-) I have all of the CD's you bought except for some of the EPs......and they're all wonderful choices! Don't you feel proud of yourself for giving these *babies* a new home? Next time I want to find a good used CD that I can't find here in Cincinnati, I'll get in touch with you.......or fly out to Boulder myself! ;-) Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:12:36 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. > Richard wrote: > > > Most others were in the $5.95-7.95 range- What a *great* town for used ecto!! Hey, I've been saying that for years. ;) Which stores did you haunt? > > And, Ellen: Have you visited Cheapo Discs on 28th opposite the > Crossroads Mall? Ignore the Woolworth/Goodwill ambiance, cuz the prices here are indeed Cheapo, the selection is huge, and it's all very nicely > organized. > Yes, I've been there. It's not bad. And Cheapo pays well for used cd's, despite the name. Albums on the Hill is still my favorite cd store in Boulder though, with Bart's CD Cellar in second. They both sell new and used and support up and coming artists, including local artists. I'll be heading to Albums next week for the Lilith Fair cd possibly the new Dan Bern (he'll be playing at the theater across the street from Albums next Friday night, btw), and anything else the owner recommends... I'm also curious about the Pete Seeger tribute cd. And if Ecto people make it to Denver but not to Boulder (hard to imagine they wouldn't trek the additional thirty miles northwest and several hundred feet in elevation, but it's possible :), try out Twist and Shout for a good Ecto-ish new and used selection. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:51:53 -0700 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin I can only speculate on the male-dominated audience thing, and even then at risk of gross generalization. Crimson is just one example. Having been a fan of the progressive rock bands in my teens, I frequently witnessed the same phenomenon. You also tend to find the same thing in a lot of jazz circles. The answer I've heard expressed most often from females when they hear this style of music (and say they hate it) is the lack of a clear melody, and complaints about the fluidity of the bass line. To test the latter in the past with female friends, I've played two different songs from an artist - one with a wandering bass line and one in which the bass sticks predominantly on the chord triad. At all times the latter tune was chosen as appealing, the former as yucky. But maybe it's just a testosterone thing where males just like to watch the musicians flexing their muscles.... :) My $0.02 for what it's worth. Cheers, Dave. BarBearUh wrote: > > meredith wrote: > > > Tamar and I were one of I think five women in > > > the entire place, too. Not an experience I'm used to at a music event. :) > > it is weird how certain shows are so dominated by men or women. i remember last > time i saw crimson how outnumbered the women were. i was very impressed by the > crimson show - really incredible playing. > > neal wrote: > > > It was a damn fine show indeed. I saw Crimson last year, and they went on > > some long, meandering roads where I completely lost them. This never > > happened at this show, which means something, I guess. (not sure what > > thouogh.) I loved being able to see everything that was going on, which > > was not possible at the Crimson show. Also, I was totally amazed at what > > a great addition a trumpeter was. I had some ideas of what sort of noise > > Bruford/Levin/Torn would make, and they pretty much delivered on that, but > > Chris Botti on trumpet was completely unexpected. He was a very lyrical > > player too, and had great interplay with everyone. > > i've been thinking about the belew, fripp &co. show at the 9:30 club coming up > soon. i love adrian - he never disappoints live. every time i see him, it's a > completely different show from the last, and he always looks like he's having the > time of his life. > > > And why is the whole Crimson collective thought of as male music? They > > definitely seem to be sparsely attended by women. > > i don't get it, but then i don't understand why gender seems to have such an > impact on who goes to see what. not always, obviously, but in many cases. there > must be some strong social conditioning or something genetic at work! > > neal also wrote: > > > Ick, I hate the Capitol Ballroom! It takes a lot to lure me down there. > > In fact, the last thing that lured me down there was Bjork on Post, and it > > certainly wasn't worth it. > > i hate that place too, tho i wouldn't have minded catching prince there (tried to > get tix - sold out in less than 10 minutes). i also saw bjork there and it was > awful. i was expecting so much more 'cause i had seen the sugarcubes a few years > earlier and they were tremendous fun. i'm not even thinking about going, but i > thought there might be some ectos interested. i'd see her if it was elsewhere, > but that long room is terrible. only for must sees. > > > > np: daniel lanois, for the beauty of wynona > > > > Nice album :) I had Andy Stochansky's album in my car the other day. I > > have a CD changer, and when I first fill it up, I can never remember what > > discs I've stuck in there. The worst part is that it often takes me a > > hard time to figure it out. It kept shuffling to that disc, particularly > > the song Take THe Wheel, and all I could think was Daniel Lanois. > > i didn't know andy had any solo stuff. is it on righteous babe? i'll have to > get it if there's some daniel feeling in there. > > > Also kept hitting Leonor by Kaitell Keinig. After 3 listens, I had > > convinced myself it must be Ivy before I looked at it. I had only > > recently gotten Jet. It's been pretty well known as a killer album, and > > it's made a good early impression on me too. > > it's a great record. has anyone noticed that 'battle of the trees' sounds just > like an old joni mitchell song before it goes off into space? BTW, who or what > is 'Ivy'? > > > Another disc I got fairly recently that I was unfamiliar with was Patty > > Larkin's Perishable Fruit. I only knew her from her few songs on the > > first Bitchin Babes disc, which are fun, but not mind-boggling. Fruit, on > > the other hand, is full of some really spectacular stuff. It's so much > > denser and complex than I expected. Are her other albums like this? > > not in my limited experience of her. i like that album a lot but haven't heard > much else by her that i liked - the other things i've heard are purer folk. > > barbara > np: happy, building the colossus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:53:53 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin >The answer I've heard expressed most often from females when they hear >this style of music (and say they hate it) is the lack of a clear >melody, and complaints about the fluidity of the bass line. To test the >latter in the past with female friends, I've played two different songs >from an artist - one with a wandering bass line and one in which the >bass sticks predominantly on the chord triad. At all times the latter >tune was chosen as appealing, the former as yucky. But there IS a melody (pattern) -- it's just more complex and repeats less often. It's not just a man/woman thing, though; I've known several women (predominantly technical types: engineers or scientists) who enjoy complex, less-obviously-structured music almost as much as I do. ;-) Sadly, our society tended to isolate women (unless they were already musicians) from the creation and appreciation of complex forms of music more than it does today. (I'm doing my part to redress the balance -- just ask my daughter how her band is doing :) In a slightly different direction... I have my own peeve with people who are unable/unwilling to deal with music that departs from the 4/4, inflexibly-structured types of musical expression. Not that there isn't a wealth of good, traditionally-styled music out there -- just that toe-tapping or dancing seems to be a prerequisite for some people to like their music, and that concept depresses me a bit. Look at the huge amount of ectomusic which departs (subtly or dramatically) from the lockstep structure, and tell me there isn't a component to what makes some music ecto. :-) - -- | Greg Dunn | I don't have low self-esteem. | | gregdunn@indy.net | It's a mistake. I have low | | GregDunn@aol.com | esteem for everyone else. | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | Daria | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Juha Sorva wrote: > On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Neal Copperman wrote: > > Welcome Juha... Would you believe we used to have another Juha on the > > list, some years ago? Doni't know what happened to her though. Don't know what happened to THEM I obviously must have meant :) Funny the assumptions I'll make about people based on reading e-mail. > Him, most probably. Him :). Juha is a very common Finnish male given > name, and I've never heard of a "Juha" who wasn't a Finn. Yup, he was a Finn. And I guess if it's common, than it's not so surprising to you. (I think this is unsalvagable.) Neal np: that Greenwich Village thing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Greg Dunn wrote: > In a slightly different direction... I have my own peeve with people who > are unable/unwilling to deal with music that departs from the 4/4, > inflexibly-structured types of musical expression. Not that there isn't a > wealth of good, traditionally-styled music out there -- just that > toe-tapping or dancing seems to be a prerequisite for some people to like > their music, and that concept depresses me a bit. hmmmm, I find that the more oddly structured songs lend themselves to bobbing and weaving, which is at least as much fun as toe tapping, though sometimes more work. Neal np: Second Annual Greenwich Village Folk Festival ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:27:41 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Re: Not exactly in Jill's league but.. In a message dated 4/25/98 10:27:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Silme@ix.netcom.com writes: << I'm also curious about the Pete Seeger tribute cd. >> Just thought I'd go ahead and post the track listing for the Pete Seeger tribute: Volume 1 1. Tommy Sands with Dolores Keane & Vedran Smailovic - Where Have All the Flowers Gone 2. Jackson Browne & Bonnie Raitt - Kisses Sweeter Than Wine 3. John Gorka - The Water is Wide 4. Richie Havens - Of Time and Rivers Flowing 5. Ani diFranco - My Name is Lisa Kalvelage 6. Bruce Cockburn - Turn, Turn, Turn 7. Tish Hinojosa - Festival of Flowers 8. Sweet Honey in the Rock - Step By Step 9. Studs Terkel - Blessed Be the Nation 10. Billy Bragg and Eliza Carthy - My Father's Mansions 11. Greg Brown - Sailing Down My Golden River 12. Tony Trischka Band - Goofing Off Suite 13. Kim and Reggie Harris and the Magpies - Those Three Are On My Mind 14. Cordelia's Dad - How Can I Keep From Singing 15. Peter, Paul & Mary - All Mixed Up 16. Ronnie Gilbert With Robin Flower and Libby McLaren - Empty Pocket Blues 17. Tom Paxton - Get Up and Go 18. John Stewart - Old Riley 19. Nanci Griffith and Friends - If I Had a Hammer 10. The Weavers - Wimoweh Volume 2 1. Bruce Springsteen - We Shall Overcome 2. Roger McGuinn - Bells of Rhymney 3. Judy Collins - Oh Had I A Golden Thread 4. Guy Davis - False From True 5. Indigo Girls - Letter to Eve 6. Dick Gaughan - Waist Deep in the Big Muddy 7. Tim Robbins - All My Children of the Sun 8. Martin Simpson - Living in the Country 9. Odetta - One Grain of Sand 10. Casey Neill - Old Father Hudson Sailing Down Dirty Stream 11. John Trudell - The Torn Flag 12. Si Kahn with the Freighthoppers - Doublin 13. Cathy Fink & Marcy Marxer - To Everyone In the World 14. Tommy Makem - Over the Hills 15. Annie Hills - I Come and Stand at Every Door 16. Donovan - My Rainbow Race 17. Holly Near - Quiet Early Morning 18. Studs Terkel - Oh, Sacred World 19. Pete Seeger - And Still I Am Searching .....and I still haven't had a chance to listen to it..... Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:43:05 -0400 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Re: Oxy and Eze (Re: Falcon Ridge) At 04:28 PM 4/25/98 -0400, Neal wrote: > > >On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Juha Sorva wrote: > >> On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Neal Copperman wrote: >> > Welcome Juha... Would you believe we used to have another Juha on the >> > list, some years ago? Doni't know what happened to her though. > >Don't know what happened to THEM I obviously must have meant :) >Funny the assumptions I'll make about people based on reading e-mail. MSNBC did a special report about this fairly recently (probably a month ago). They took a group of 10 people, and encouraged them to discuss racial issues for a period of time via email. None of them knew each other before the report. At the end, MSNBC interviewed all the participants and asked them about the others in the group. Largely, people made wrong guesses as to race and sex. You could probably still find it in the archives -- it was a *great* use of the Net by a media organization. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:35:45 EDT From: Paul2k Subject: Re: Imax and Jonatha (was :Not exactly in Jill's league but..) In a message dated 98-04-25 09:16:08 EDT, rkonrad@javanet.com writes: > Unrelated to anything but worth mentioning: The IMAX presentation, > _Everest_ at the Denver Museum of Natural History- I never thought I > could experience true vertigo from a 2-dimensional image on a screen, > but this technology just blew me away. The screen is humongous and the > sense of depth and space it provides nearly knocked me (and everyone > else present) out of our seats. Highly recommended. We don't have an IMAX screen at my movie theater, but we've been showing trailers for this film in our lobby and it is breathtaking...it looks like a "real" Hollywood movie...i'd love to see it... > Also, I took in Jonatha Brooke in a club setting here in Portland the > night before flying to Colorado, and was surprised to find myself > disappointed She seemed genuinely annoyed to have to make a side trip up > here and repeatedly made snide remarks about Maine, despite a SRO house > of about 250 VERY appreciative and demonstrative fans > But most of all, several people I talked with after the show agreed that > she just didn't come across as a very nice person. That's really too > bad. Jonatha bashed on Portland, ME at the concert here in Annapolis, MD on wednesday too...she was miffed, almost pissed, that a pair of special rose tinted sunglasses of hers had been stolen right off the stage...i'd guess that she probably had some other bad experiences before her show that caused her to have a bad attitude during and after it...she was fun and goofy and pleasant at the MD show... Moxy Fruvous is supposed to have a new, live album out sooon. Paul Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:55 -0700 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin At 11:51 AM -0700 4/25/98, Dave Williamson wrote: > The answer I've heard expressed most often from females when they hear > this style of music (and say they hate it) is the lack of a clear > melody, and complaints about the fluidity of the bass line. [...] Where does Kate Bush fit into the latter half of this theory? - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-1002 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:10:04 -0700 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin Greg Dunn wrote: > But there IS a melody (pattern) -- it's just more complex and repeats less > often. It's not just a man/woman thing, though; I've known several women > (predominantly technical types: engineers or scientists) who enjoy complex, > less-obviously-structured music almost as much as I do. ;-) Sadly, our > society tended to isolate women (unless they were already musicians) from > the creation and appreciation of complex forms of music more than it does > today. (I'm doing my part to redress the balance -- just ask my daughter > how her band is doing :) All things I was trying to say implicitly, but thanks Greg for putting it more succinctly. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:13:38 -0700 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: crimson/bjork/stochansky/keinig/larkin Neil K. Guy wrote: > Where does Kate Bush fit into the latter half of this theory? I believe that opening line of my post said: I can only speculate on the male-dominated audience thing, and even then at risk of gross generalization. 'nuf said. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Imax and Jonatha (was :Not exactly in Jill's league but..) On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Paul2k wrote: > Paul Kim What, just "Paul Kim"? Your fans are disappointed. neal np: Susan Werner - Last of the Good Straight Girls ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #130 **************************