From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #102 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 04 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A Bel Canto concert (short report) [Steve I ] Re: A&B Sound had a sale... [David Dixon ] "City of Angels" soundtrack review in EW [Riphug ] Re: Barney [Greg Dunn ] Zazie (was Re: Ma Vie En Rose) [Yves Denneulin ] Re:Kristin Hersh EP (was Zazie (was Re: Ma Vie En Rose)) [Horter3 ] Re: Barney -Reply [James Gurley ] B*rn*y ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] Re: Barney -Reply ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Barney -Reply ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Cordelia's Dad and Io Update [Neile Graham ] City of Angels track listing [Riphug ] Re: Barney -Reply [Michael Pearce ] The Strawberry Alarm Clock -- Re: Barney ["Michael P. Hayes" ] Opening Day [jjh969@juno.com] Re: The Strawberry Alarm Clock -- Re: Barney ["J. Wermont" Subject: Re: A Bel Canto concert (short report) Jeff Burka said: >Sounds like a fantastic show, Alvin. I must say that seeing Bel Canto is >high on my concert wish list. Once upon a time, there was another >review of one of their shows posted to ecto (by Claudia, perhaps? >anyone remember? it was after SW&B came out...) I posted one (albeit a crappy one) in June 97 when they played at North by Northeast here in Toronto. James McGarry, whom some of you may be familiar with, took some nice pics of Anneli, who was absolutely captivating onstage. Wish I could find them! I can't remember what I said exactly but I'm sure it was a glowing review as theirs was the standout show at that particular music festival. I only wish I was better acquainted with their CDs... being broke sucks! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:53:42 +0200 From: David Dixon Subject: Re: A&B Sound had a sale... >> De La Soul's semi-conceptual >> flower power 3 Feet High and rising is a trippy fun outing > >yup...definitely a fun album. I remember listening to that a fair >amount as an undergrad. I finally got around to listening to this album a couple months ago, and though it sounds a little dated now, it's definitely a put-it-on-while-bopping-around-the-house kind of album. One side-effect though, I can no longer hear the name "Buddy" (cf. Clinton's pooch) without smirking. D n.p. Photek, _Risc vs. Reward_ n.r. Helen Fielding, "Bridget Jones's Diary" recently read: Nick Hornby, "High Fidelity," which is an almost *too* accurate portrayal of musical addiction. If you've ever worked in a record store (or wished you did), this is a must-read. ====================================================================== David Dixon (D^2) dixon@qt.tn.tudelft.nl Department of Applied Physics, Delft University of Technology TWBM: "If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?" ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:10:57 EST From: Riphug Subject: "City of Angels" soundtrack review in EW If anyone can find the specific track listing for this soundtrack, I'd love to see it! <<'City' Limits Despite the flighty verse of Alanis and the pained poetics of Gabriel, "Angels" doesn't take wing Befitting her first new recording in three years, Alanis Morissette's "Uninvited" starts auspiciously, with simple, chilly piano notes and Morrissette's recognizable wracked soprano. It's the musical equivalent of a castle door creaking open. The creepy mood suits the lyric, a scornful kiss- off of what could be either a possessive lover or her own overwhelming celebrity status. (Or whatever it is she means by lines like "Must be somehwat hard telling to watch them burn me shepherd.") Taking a cue from the orchestrated version of 'You Oughta Know" Morissette performed at the 1996 Grammys, the song then whips itself into a symphonic maelstrom. This is clearly her arty adult move, and she and coproducer Rob Cavallo (of Green Day fame) almost pull it off -- except someone had the idea of ending the track with a hackneyed, squealing guitar solo of the sort that not even Styx use anymore. Sure, Morissette's lived, but what has she learned? What's also auspicious about "Uninvited" is that it's not on a new Morissette album (that disc doesn't even exist yet) but on the soundtrack of the Meg Ryan - - Nicolas Cage film "City of Angels." Like many of its movie-connected brethren, this one lurches awkwardly from one genre to another. Rotts music is trotted out courtesy of blues oldies from Eric Clapton and John Lee Hooker; songs from the latest Paula Cole and Sarah McLachlan albums make for a Lilith Fair share. If you're in the mood for a windswept score, "English Patient" composer Gabriel Yared offers up a chunk at disc's end. Peter Gabriel makes a comeback of his own with *his* first new rock recording since the days when George Bush was President. Alas, "I Grieve" is a murmur so pained that it practically curls into a fetal position before our very ears. Someone call Phil Collins -- and quick! B- >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Barney "Michael Pearce said:" > > If something is truly awful it stays ignored. Nobody has resurrected the > Strawberry Alarm Clock, right? Hey! Them's fightin' words! :-) - -- | Greg Dunn | "Talking about music is like | | GregDunn@aol.com | dancing about architecture." | | gregdunn@indy.net | Frank Zappa | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | (quoting Thelonious Monk) | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:09:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: Yves Denneulin Subject: Zazie (was Re: Ma Vie En Rose) > I have one Zazie album, *Je, tu, ils,* which I hardly ever listen > to; I found it just so-so. I bought it because I was trying to > find a song she did about two years ago which apparently made the > charts in France-- That is probably either _un point c'est toi_ or _zen_, her two biggest hits. Both are from her second album _Zen_. Below is everything I know of her, for eventual inclusion in the Guide. A former model, Zazie started her musical career by a mini-scandal when she won a "Victoire de la musique" (the french equivalent of the US Grammy awards) while being totally unknown. There were rumors that her record company influenced the results. This was for her first album _Je, tu, ils_. Her second one, _zen_, was released in 95 and was a huge success in France. I don't know the exact sales number but it is above 500,00. She completed her third one recently, it should be released this summer. She also writes songs for other french artists, the demand is quite high. Musically speaking she is typical pop (don't bother Neile :-) ), the music is below par with lots of arrangements to hide its lack of depth but she writes good lyrics. I would recommend her second album over the first one which is too superficial. Since she is using lots of puns and complicated structures, you need to know french really good to appreciate the lyrics. She is rumored to be very good on stage. What I saw on TV didn't impress me, her voice is not strong enough for that IMO. > I can't remember a thing about it anymore, except that it was > catchy and it isn't on *Je, tu, ils.* My best is on _un point c'est toi_, the best song of the second album for me. > It was the only album of hers they had in any of the import > sections around here though. On a general note, if you're looking for french music and read french you can try to order from the FNAC website . FNAC is the french Towers but the price is higher than what you are used to pay in the US. And if you really can't find what you want, contact me directly. Hope this helps, - -- Yves. n.p.: Kristin Hersh _Like you_ EP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:54:20 EST From: Horter3 Subject: Re:Kristin Hersh EP (was Zazie (was Re: Ma Vie En Rose)) In a message dated 98-03-31 09:22:18 EST, Yves.Denneulin@lifl.fr writes: > n.p.: Kristin Hersh _Like you_ EP What is this? A single? European only? What all is on it?? Thanks in advance for the info. Tom, who plans to see KH 3 nights in a row in Philly :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:07:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Yves Denneulin Subject: Re: Re:Kristin Hersh EP (was Zazie (was Re: Ma Vie En Rose)) > > n.p.: Kristin Hersh _Like you_ EP > What is this? A single? European only? What all is on it?? Let me check... Yep it's an england pressing. 3 tracks: 1) like you (album version) 2) Shake (recorded live to tape) 2) Your ghost (recorded live to tape) Ref # : TAD 8005 CD > Thanks in advance for the info. > Tom, who plans to see KH 3 nights in a row in Philly :-) Lucky, lucky, lucky boy! Could you ask her if she liked the Autour de Lucie album I gave her in Paris? :-) Best, - -- Yves. n.p. Tanya Donelly _Sliding and diving_ EP (yes, I am in a TM period) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:21:04 -0500 From: Christopher Gagnon Subject: Re: Barney -Reply But I didn't think the Carpenters were all that awful -- I mean, I think they were great musicians. Maybe not quite my style, but lovely nevertheless....am I a freak? I agree about Barney, though..... (what about Barney Miller?) >>> Michael Pearce 03/31/98 12:47am >>> Sort of liking the Carpenters back in the '70s, right? But I doubt Barney will ever come back, except in extremely hard irony. After all, the Care Bears have been around over 20 years and THEY did not come back! If something is truly awful it stays ignored. Nobody has resurrected the Strawberry Alarm Clock, right? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: James Gurley Subject: Re: Barney -Reply I must admit I find it sort of amusing that people are getting upset that Jane would record two songs for a Barney album. Are we so highminded? I mean, Jane has to make a living any way she can. Does it really matter if it's a song on the Barney movie soundtrack of for The Crow movie soundtrack? At least she's recording and putting out music. That's what counts. - -Jim On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Christopher Gagnon wrote: > But I didn't think the Carpenters were all that awful -- I mean, I think they > were great musicians. Maybe not quite my style, but lovely > nevertheless....am I a freak? > > I agree about Barney, though..... > (what about Barney Miller?) > > >>> Michael Pearce 03/31/98 12:47am >>> > Sort of liking the Carpenters back in the '70s, right? But I doubt Barney > will ever come back, except in extremely hard irony. After all, the Care > Bears have been around over 20 years and THEY did not come back! > > If something is truly awful it stays ignored. Nobody has resurrected the > Strawberry Alarm Clock, right? > > Michael > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:27:52 -0800 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: B*rn*y Yeah. Kids love Barney. Try watching it, and you'll see why it sets up kids for huge disappointment, and why Barney is, without a doubt, a creation of a conspiracy of drug cartels ready to step in and fill the void between the vapidity of that beast and the starkness of reality. And I'm an optimist! Simply put, Barney sucks. majorly. big time. Sure, I believe in free speech. Totally. I believe that parents should be able to talk freely to their kids about the fact that Barney sucks, and why. Oh, Jane, reality sucks! I wish you didn't have to propagate this! Here's to a better future! J. Wermont wrote: > > > Just because something's not meant for adults, and is enjoyed only by > children, doesn't mean it's not worth doing. Does everything have to have > an extra layer making it palatable for adults? > > I've never seen Barney, myself - but I have heard (from a friend who > teaches very young children ages 4 and up) that kids that age LOVE Barney. > Little kids really eat up all that sappy unconditional love stuff. For > the same reason, they also love Mr. Rogers, another kids show that gets > bashed a lot by the hip. But I guess hipness really isn't that important > to little kids. > > Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:41:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Barney -Reply On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Christopher Gagnon wrote: > But I didn't think the Carpenters were all that awful -- I mean, I think they > were great musicians. Maybe not quite my style, but lovely > nevertheless....am I a freak? I actually remember the day their "Yesterday Once More" premiered on the radio. All of us in the car at the time (five teenagers) agreed instantly that that was just about the perfect pop song. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:44:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Barney -Reply On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, James Gurley wrote: > I must admit I find it sort of amusing that people are getting upset that > Jane would record two songs for a Barney album. Are we so highminded? I > mean, Jane has to make a living any way she can. Does it really matter if > it's a song on the Barney movie soundtrack of for The Crow movie > soundtrack? At least she's recording and putting out music. That's what > counts. Similarly, Happy and Kevin might not have been as free to do their AG recordings without the income coming in from Kevin's other work, much of which, if I recall, is soundtracks and commercial stuff. It beats da hell out of either starving or playing Bar Mitzvahs :-) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:07:06 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Cordelia's Dad and Io Update For those interested. - --Neile >X-Sender: Steeple@world.std.com (Unverified) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:01:50 -0500 >To: Cordelia88@aol.com >From: Steeple@world.std.com (Peter Irvine) >Subject: Cordelia's Dad and Io Update > >Disclaimer: This is a periodic mailing to people who have signed up on our >email list or written to us. To be removed, just let us know at >Cordelia88@aol.com. > >Web site: http://world.std.com/~steeple >Check in for updates. > >--------- >NEWS: > >* Tonight: Spine record release concert at the Iron Horse, Northampton, >MA, 7pm > >* We've had several inquiries about Club Fais Do-Do (April 17 show) in Los >Angeles. It's at 5257 W. Adams Blvd., L.A., concert at 10pm, info: >213-931-4636 > >* correct phone number for Freight & Salvage (April 16 show) in Berkeley is >510-548-1761. > >OUR OTHER BANDS: > >* This Saturday, April 4, Io (our noisy rock band) will play at "Breakers" >in West Springfield. It's part of the WHMP-sponsored "Battle of the Bands". >So bring your swords. Should be amusing. > >* Io will also be sharing the bill with Cordelia's Dad at Reed College on >April 14. That show is not officially open to the public, but write to us >if you wish to attend. > >* Zabe i Babe will play a rare concert, this Thursday at ECSU, Storrs, CT. > > >Thanks for your support. > >Peter Irvine > >Cordelia's Dad >and Io > >Cordelia88@aol.com >world.std.com/~steeple > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:38:34 EST From: Riphug Subject: City of Angels track listing Woohoo! After posting this morning, wondering what the track listing for "City of Angels" is, I bought it at an outlet mall later this morning! Here's the track listing: 1. U2 - If God Will Send His Angels 2. Alanis Morissette - Uninvited 3. Jimi Hendrix - Red House 4. Paula Cole - Feelin' Love 5. John Lee Hooker - Mama, You Got a Daughter 6. Sarah McLachlan - Angel 7. Goo Goo Dolls - Iris 8. Peter Gabriel - I Grieve 9. Jude - I Know 10. Eric Clapton - Further On Up the Road Gabriel Yared 11. An Angel Falls 12. The Unfeeling Kiss 13. Spreading Wings 14. City of Angels So far I've listened and fallen in love with tracks 1 - 8. It's been sooooo long since I've heard any *fresh* Peter Gabriel......this song has kind of a "Red Rain" feel to it, I think. Go me! ;-) Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:51:13 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: Barney -Reply Christopher Gagnon writes, > But I didn't think the Carpenters were all that awful -- I mean, I think they > were great musicians. Maybe not quite my style, but lovely > nevertheless....am I a freak? Not hardly; I liked them too. (I was thinking awful in the reference to the S.A.Clock.) But remember that they were considered the antithesis of hip back then. Very middle-of-road, not very imaginative, overproduced. But her voice was beautiful and they showed occasional flashes of brilliance. I think the problem was they were aiming for the MOR market and not trying to push the edge with their songwriting. Obviously they made an impact on a lot of current bands, witness the "If I Were A Carpenter" album. Maybe I should have made the comment instead about Fever Tree (which I also liked, although they were quite overproduced), or The Inner Sound of the Id, or the worst album I have (hilariously bad) "Witchcraft" by Coven. > > I agree about Barney, though..... > (what about Barney Miller?) > > >>> Michael Pearce 03/31/98 12:47am >>> > Sort of liking the Carpenters back in the '70s, right? But I doubt Barney > will ever come back, except in extremely hard irony. After all, the Care > Bears have been around over 20 years and THEY did not come back! > > If something is truly awful it stays ignored. Nobody has resurrected the > Strawberry Alarm Clock, right? > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:50:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael P. Hayes" Subject: The Strawberry Alarm Clock -- Re: Barney On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Michael Pearce wrote: > If something is truly awful it stays ignored. Nobody has resurrected the > Strawberry Alarm Clock, right? n.p.i.m.h. -- "Incense and Peppermints" by (you guessed it) The Strawberry Alarm Clock. Thank you, Mr. Pearce. I really needed that reminder right now... -- Mike "Who cares what games we choose..." AARGH! Make it stop! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:19:25 EST From: Paul2k Subject: new music and other assorted crafts new stuff coming out soon : Beth Orton's EP "Best Bit" is finally being released next week...previously available as an import... 22 Brides album Demolition Day is out today. Ebba Forsberg's album comes out in two or three weeks, i believe. Lisa Gerrard has a new album coming in two or three weeks too. So does Tuscadero. Just reading Time magazine for this week, and in the latest David Mamet movie, which stars Campbell Scott, Steve Martin and Ben Gazzara, it says that Rebecca Pidgeon costars...is this the Ms. Pidgeon who is a singer i wonder...it says that she is Mamet's wife...hmmm... oooh...Sinead O'Connor plays the Virgin Mary in the new Neil Jordan movie, _The Butcher Boy_ The version of "Angel" that is on the City of Angel's soundtrack sounds different than the one that is on _Surfacing_, for anyone who cares...the stringed bass is absent. I like the new Peter Gabriel song that's on it, though... Paul Kim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:45:20 -0500 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Opening Day Went to see the Mets home opener at Shea this afternoon. It was round about top of the 12th, no score, the organist gives us Frank Zappa's Peaches En Regalia. ? ! ? ! ? ! ! ! John (Who was taken aback, pleasantly so) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:06:49 +6400 (PST) From: "J. Wermont" Subject: Re: The Strawberry Alarm Clock -- Re: Barney > n.p.i.m.h. -- "Incense and Peppermints" by (you guessed it) > The Strawberry Alarm Clock. > Well, I always liked that song - what can I say? What does n.p.i.m.h stand for? Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:20:21 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: The Strawberry Alarm Clock -- Re: Barney joyce wonders: > What does n.p.i.m.h stand for? now playing in my head... jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 23:02:04 PST From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Re: new music and other assorted crafts > Lisa Gerrard has a new album coming in two or three weeks too. So does > Tuscadero. > Wow--another solo Lisa Gerrard album? I'm psyched! > Just reading Time magazine for this week, and in the latest David Mamet movie, > which stars Campbell Scott, Steve Martin and Ben Gazzara, it says that Rebecca > Pidgeon costars...is this the Ms. Pidgeon who is a singer i wonder...it says > that she is Mamet's wife...hmmm... Yes, this is David Mamet's wife and the wonderful singer who has two albums-- The Raven and The New York Ladies Club. For some reason she's often filed under jazz, though I find her songs to be more folk (with a definite jazz influence). She's acted in a few things before--I saw her perform in a wonderful Masterpiece Theater production called "She's Gone Away" with the late Peggy Ashcroft. (She actually played Peggy Ashcroft's character as a young girl). Thanks for the tips. Now I'll be anxiously awaiting the new Lisa Gerrard! Jeff ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #102 **************************