From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #47 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 04 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Michael Colford ] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Neile Graham ] Re: First Album [Neile Graham ] Re: Embarassing cds/Emm Gryner Question [Riphug@aol.com] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Bill ] Re: First Album [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Oh well. [Bill ] Re: embarrassing cd's [Magenta <4dm@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Neile Graham ] Re: embarrassing cd's ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: First Album ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] albums galore [Renee Canada ] Re: First Album [Bob Keefer ] vonda shepard/emily saliers [Rachel ] Re: First Album [Valerie Nozick ] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Paul Blair ] another [kerry white ] Re: embarrassing cd's [Michael Curry ] Yes Medley (was Re: First Album...) [JavaHo@aol.com] work stack [Kelley Hays-Gilpin ] Embarrassing CD [Sharon Nichols ] First Recordings ["Robert Lovejoy" ] My contribution to the embarrassing/first thread ["Neil K. Guy" ] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) [Neal Copperman ] Re: embarrassing cd's [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) Okay, reaching waaaay back, I can recall that the first album I bought with my own money was Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods (the one with "Billy Don't Be a Hero" on it.) I wouldn't exactly say that's embarrassing because I was probably about 9 or 10 years old. I can't really remember what my first 45 was, but it was probably something like "Rock the Boat" by the Hues Corporation. As for my first CD, I can't really remember, but it may have been Kate Bush, Hounds of Love. That one was much more of a conscious choice. I decided, all right, the time has come to start buying CD's, what do you want for your first one. Like Jeffy, I worked at a record store for several years. I was the manager for a Strawberries in Massachusetts. It was during these 4 years or so that my CD collection really exploded! I have to say that in-store playlists really broadened my scope of artists. Also, in the early 80's I went through a period where I would by any album that was by a band led by a female vocalist. It was during this time that I discovered some great acts (now long gone) like Spider (with Holly Knight on keyboards and Anton Fig on drums), Toronto (a Canadian Heart clone) and later, Luba and the Parachute Club. Ah, music is so much fun. Michael n.p. Grey Eye Glances - Eventide - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Re: Embarassing cds/Emm Gryner Question Embarassing cds, eh? Well, lets just say that at the very bottom of my cd tower I have a copy of Debbie Gibson's "Greatest Hits" cd. I know, I know, you didn't think she *had* any great hits, did you? Well, I got it my freshman year, just so I could dance around to a few of the songs, and I haven't listened to it since! 2 years later and going strong. :) - -- I *adore* Emm Gryner. At first I thought (And still think a little) a few of the songs on her CD sound a bit flat, but after hearing some live songs and *really* getting into a few of the songs on her cd, I really like it. I've kept updated through Steve's page, I cannot wait for either the EP, CD, or both, but *when* is her cd coming out? Anyone have a clue yet? I can't wait!!! - -- Jill, you forgot my twin on your Canadian songstress list!! How could you? (I'm kidding, but you know she kicks all of their asses--Tara, that is :) Jessica, being weird http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess <--updated! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:32:06 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Oh well. At 9:41 PM -0800 2/10/98, Bill wrote: >I just went CD shopping. > >Again. > >You people are a *bad* influence! > >C'est la vie. :)) > >Thanks for all the reviews and recommendations. > >- Bill. Bill, we *live* to be bad influences on each other. Why do you think we do The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music and put it up on the web? Of course so we can spread our bad influence even outside the range of this mailing list. It's part of our plot to empty wallets into the hands of record stores everywhere so it will eventually trickle down (hah!) into the hands of the artists so they will make ever more good music so we will have more to listen to. You are now officially part of the conspiracy. You know what to do. Oh, one of the subplots is Happyvangelizing, where you quietly play Happy's discs to all your friends and neighbours so they, too, become Happy fans. The other is what we ourselves suffer, EWS, Empty of Ectophilic Wallet Syndrome, as we Do Our Part for the Cause. Damon wrote a wonderful first description of EWS which I think appears on the Ecto mailing list pages but also on The Ectophiles' Guide at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/eg.warning.html - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:53:14 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) Jill wrote: >Didn't anyone play 45's? You know, the little vinyl things that you had to >use a special plastic insert in the center hole to make them fit on your >turntable? And you had that tacky little black and white swirly-covered >record storage box with a handle? You bet I did! Lots of em! And then I swiped my sister's because they were better than mine. Though I did have "Eleanor Rigby" and Mary Hopkins "Those Were The Days" and all. And now again we have a growing collection of 7" vinyl because it's fun. I wish I'd kept my pink record storage box so I'd have a good place to put them! I need to go junk shopping and find one. >And prior to that, you listened to your parents' *really* old thick discs like >"Slow Boat to China" and "Mood Indigo". And even though they were the big 12" >kind, you had to play them on 78 rpm? And they were kept in a big cumbersome >photo-album- type thing with brown paper sleeves to protect them? I *still* >can't believe that my mother threw away her collection of those old LPs. My parents weren't that much into music, though I remember _Gypsy_ (my mother has tales of me singing "if you want to bump it, bump it with a trumpet" when I was about 4) and Nina & Frederick, which I loved. And The Slightly Fabulous Limelighters. My father was finally convinced to get rid of most of his 78s when we moved once too often, but he still has his 78 of Billie Holliday's "Strange Fruit" and he's got a Dual turntable that will still play 78s. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:55:35 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: First Album You know, since I have a bad memory I can't remember what the first album I bought was. I started young because I had a sister 4-1/2 years older than me and I had to keep up. My musical milestones that I remember are: seeing the movie _Help!_ when I was about six since my cousin came to visit and that's what she wanted to see. My sister's first album was the Beach Boys _Shut Down, Vol. 2_. I remember dancing to it in the family room when my parents were out and I was about 7. I had lots of 45s but I don't remember what was the first. I do remember buying two Bobby Sherman singles, and I had an album of his, too. I had the Monkees. One of my favourite songs was "She Hangs Out". My sister had the Beatles and Donovan and some others. But the first album I remember really affecting me emotionally was Leonard Cohen's first album. My sister bought it when I was 10 and we were living in an old rented Victorian house (with a tower! and right on a little bay) and I'd listen to that strange voice and those evocative lyrics and trip out emotionally. Maybe that's why I write poetry. But whenever I listen to that album I remember that house and the way the light came in the windows and the apples from the tree outside--the first apples I'd ever eaten that didn't come from a grocery store. At first I wasn't sure they were edible. Ah, nostalgia! One thing, though, was that it took me years to like any female singers. In my teens I didn't have any (except a copy of _Court and Spark_ and I'd won it and rarely played it thought I adore it now)--it was all just too pretty for me. I didn't really like female singers particularly (though I did have more Joni Mitchell and some McGarrigles and a few other things) until 1980 when a friend played Marianne Faithful's _Broken English_ for me. It was a revelation. Then I moved to Montana for graduate school and there was a great record store there where the owner (and Jim, of course) introduced me to Kate Bush's _Never Forever_ and Dalbello's _whomanfoursays_. I've never looked back. The first cds I bought to go with the cd player I bought for Jim Christmas 1984 were Trevor Pinnock's _Goldberg Variations_, REM's _Reckoning_, and Kate's _The Hounds of Love_ (we foolishly sold our marble vinyl copy then). - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:02:04 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Embarassing cds/Emm Gryner Question In a message dated 2/11/98 12:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: << Jill, you forgot my twin on your Canadian songstress list!! How could you? (I'm kidding, but you know she kicks all of their asses--Tara, that is :) >> Hmmmm.......I guess I just assume that both Tara MacLean and Sarah McLachlan's are *givens* as far as brillian Canadian songstresses go...... ;-) Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) > I don't remember my first record; it was a while ago. But over the years I > managed to build up quite a large vinyl collection that would contain a few > items I'd now consider slightly "embarassing"... among them, most of Yes > and Emerson Lake and Palmer records... Yes embarrassing??? If I had to part with all of my CDs except for one artist (as opposed to one disc), I'd keep my 21 Yes CDs. Those guys (well, the "old" Yes, aka Jon Anderson, Bill Brufford, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe) were real doctorates of music. I havn't given them a listen for a while, since I am in this ecto kick, but, heck, hardly worth throwing away! But, to each its own. :)) - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:15:11 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: First Album In a message dated 2/11/98 12:43:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, neile@sff.net writes: << I had lots of 45s but I don't remember what was the first. I do remember buying two Bobby Sherman singles, and I had an album of his, too. I had the Monkees. One of my favourite songs was "She Hangs Out". My sister had the Beatles and Donovan and some others. >> I must admit that I *loved* Davy Jones singing "Shades of Grey." ~but today there is no day or night today there is no dark or light today there is no black or white....... only shades of grey~ (or something to that effect) Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: Oh well. Neile: > You are now officially part of the conspiracy. You know what to do. Indeed! I have new-found momentum to buy, buy buy! I used to be like that when I first got into CDs (to make up for all those years through highschool and college when I bought few LPs since I had no stereo). Then this person came along that questioned all my CD binging (aka my wife). And now, I am recovered! I shall binge again! :)) > Oh, one of the subplots is Happyvangelizing, where you quietly play Happy's > discs to all your friends and neighbours so they, too, become Happy fans. Just ordered her disc from her! (thanks to you sending me the info). And, as I think it is Jill :D who would say... *hugs* and *kisses* !!! :)) - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) From: Magenta <4dm@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: embarrassing cd's > Talk about embarrassing: the first album I bought was Art Garfunkel's > "Angel Clare". Try beating this...the first album I ever bought was Michael Jackson's Bad (tape). And then some Rick Astley, teenybopper era. I.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:39:06 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) At 10:02 AM -0800 2/11/98, Bill wrote: >Yes embarrassing??? If I had to part with all of my CDs except for one >artist (as opposed to one disc), I'd keep my 21 Yes CDs. Those guys >(well, the "old" Yes, aka Jon Anderson, Bill Brufford, Rick Wakeman, Steve >Howe) were real doctorates of music. I havn't given them a listen for a >while, since I am in this ecto kick, but, heck, hardly worth throwing >away! > >But, to each its own. :)) Well, as Happy is a real Yes fan she would consider Yes very ecto music. And she does a Yes medley on _The Keep_ that she created for a Yes convention. Actually I didn't recognize any of the songs so it was well beyond my Yes ken. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:40:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: embarrassing cd's On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Magenta wrote: > > Talk about embarrassing: the first album I bought was Art Garfunkel's > > "Angel Clare". > > Try beating this...the first album I ever bought was Michael Jackson's Bad > (tape). And then some Rick Astley, teenybopper era. Try beating this: I got my copy of "Bad" more than a dozen years after I got the Garfunkel! And I got a bunch of Rick Springfield 45s about the same time... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:06:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: First Album On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 Riphug@aol.com wrote: > I must admit that I *loved* Davy Jones singing "Shades of Grey." Mmm... That and "Zilch" were my fave Monkees tracks. (I recently did an experimental/avant-garde mix tape where I had "Zilch" leading into some Milton Babbitt, which, even if you know Babbitt's music, worked better than one might expect...) - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: Renee Canada Subject: albums galore Okay, to jump on the embarassing cd/tapes... My first album was probably Michael Jackson's Thriller as well, but I am not ashamed to admit that one-I loved Michael so much back when he was relatively more normal. other embarassing music growing up: Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, Belinda Carlisle, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, janet Jackson (I actually went to see her in concert-she really is an amazing performer though), Vanilla Ice, and En Vogue. :P I also liked Bananarama, Wham, George Michael, at the same time as listening to Ratt, Poison and other embarrassing "metal" (funny how definitions change)...and Van Halen...the list continues Some people would tease me now that I have both Cardigan albums, but hey-I love them. And who was ranking on the Barenaked Ladies?? They're awesome. :) My taste has grown dramatically the last half of high school, *I* think. This was fun... I'm sure I'll think of lots more as the week progresses. :P Renee ********* "I do it for the joy it brings because I'm a joyful girl because the world owes me nothing and we owe each other the world I do it because it's the least I can do I do it because I learned it from you And I do it just because I want to..." - -Ani DiFranco from "Joyful Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Keefer Subject: Re: First Album Reading the first album thread was making me feel really old, until someone went older than me. Now I feel free to say: First Album, Christmas Present the year we got a record player: Jesus Christ, Superstar (original, pre-stage version) Soon after, I bought my first three albums from the Record Club Of America (cheap!): The Carpenters: Close to You Three Dog Night: Old Fashioned Love Song Godspell: Original Cast Recording I listened to all of them obsessively. I wore out JC,S (and replaced it!), gave the Carpenters and 3DN to my sister a few years later, and still have Godspell. Later, my tastes changed and expanded :) bob k. PS: Actually, when I was about six, I had a Quick Draw McGraw 45 in yellow vinyl, but I'm not sure that counts, and I don't remember what was even on it... Our cheap record player broke and wasn't replaced for many years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Subject: vonda shepard/emily saliers Rocktropolis allstar daily music news February 10, 1998 http://www.allstarmag.com INDIGO GIRLS' EMILY SALIERS RECORDS WITH VONDA SHEPARD Vonda Shepard, the singer/ songwriter who penned the theme song to Ally McBeal and performs regularly in the show, is slated to enter a Los Angeles studio in the next few weeks to record a duet with Emily Saliers, one half of the Indigo Girls. Shepard has toured with the Girls, and recently joined them onstage in Los Angeles. (allstar, Feb. 2) The song, "Baby Don't You Break My Heart Now," will appear on Shepard's next album on a not- yet- announced major label. With the success of Ally McBeal and the loads of press the singer has received (Entertainment Weekly, TV Guide, USA Today, and Los Angeles Times to name a few), Shepard's been the subject of a major- label bidding war lately. Negotiations are also underway for an Ally McBeal soundtrack, which will feature all songs performed by Shepard. Shepard's latest album -- her third release -- It's Good, Eve, was released in late 1996 on the Los Angeles- based indie label, Vesper Alley. Her song "Searchin' My Soul," from her 1992 release, The Radical Light, is the song that's used as the theme to the hot Fox show. In order to subscribe to allstar, simply send email to "majordomo@n2k.com" with following command in the body of your message: subscribe allstarmag [your email address] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:00:46 -0500 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Re: First Album Bob Keefer wrote: > PS: Actually, when I was about six, I had a Quick Draw McGraw 45 in yellow > vinyl, but I'm not sure that counts, and I don't remember what was even on > it... Our cheap record player broke and wasn't replaced for many years. Hee hee...this gets me thinking back to my childhood 'albums'. Does anyone remember the plastic 45s they'd give out at fast-food restaurants, the ones where to hold it down you had to place a coin on the record? I know they gave them away at Jack in the Boxes. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:22:03 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) Neile wrote: >And [Happy] does a Yes medley on _The Keep_ that she created for a Yes >convention. Actually I didn't recognize any of the songs so it was well >beyond my Yes ken. I think I recognized two of the four :-) - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:19:34 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: First Album Well, *this* is a fun thread! First album I considered "mine": tie between Jethro Tull's _Songs from the Wood_ and the _Star Wars_ soundtrack, given to me for my twelfth birthday. First album I bought with my own money, a few months later: Yes' _Relayer_ - -- because I couldn't find the album with "that cool song by Yes I heard once on the radio" (i.e., "Roundabout"). Boy, was *that* a revelation! But if we're talking 45s, you guys with the Monkees don't go anywhere *near* embarrassing--one of my very few 45s when I was little was one of the Archies singing "Sugar, Sugar" (the flip side was "Melody Hill")!!! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:45:09 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: another If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? When a cow sneezes, does milk squirt out its nose? I'll stop now. KrW Hark! What rock through yonder window breaks? Bah! Tis that Juliet and her catapult!! KrW "You fill me with inertia!" George Spigot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:08:03 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: embarrassing cd's I didn't buy my first album 'til late in life (meaning first year of high school) and it was Blue Oyster Cult _Fire of Unknown Origin_. This quickly led me into the "metal years" of my musical tastes, with healthy doses of Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and other less memorable bands. And yes, I still have the majority of them... and on rare occasions actually I pull one out and play it. My first CD (a few years later) was The Police _Ghost in the Machine_. I already had a copy on vinyl, but decided to get the CD anyway. It was the one and only time I've ever "upgraded" a vinyl album to a CD. Mike np: Kristin Hersh -- Strange Angels nr: Sailing Bright Eternity by Gregory Benford | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:22:07 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Yes Medley (was Re: First Album...) Paul says: << Neile wrote: >And [Happy] does a Yes medley on _The Keep_ that she created for a Yes >convention. Actually I didn't recognize any of the songs so it was well >beyond my Yes ken. I think I recognized two of the four :-) >> Other than "Soon (The Light)", I have not been able to locate any snatches of the other three. I figured that they were some movement from within one of Yes' epic songs/albums. I did a search of the album notes on the computer at Borders and came up with the names of the other three and the authors; off the top of my head "( I ) Sleep Alone" was credited to Trevor Rabin, "Endless Love" was one or more of the usual crew I think...I may have this wrong. Can't remember the name of the other one. Anyway, I have been searching for the versions of these songs performed by Yes members...especially "Sleep Alone". I'm also looking for lyrics to this medley, and a couple of the other previously unreleased songs from "The Keep". I've managed to figure out "Prey of the Strange" except for the bridge part. Hap? Kevin? You out there? Anybody else with lyrics? You can e-mail me off-line. I would be most grateful for any information. Happily yours...Java ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:59:23 -0700 (MST) From: Kelley Hays-Gilpin Subject: work stack "Work" has only a cassette player, so my work stack is tape mixes I've made of my CDs, and the rule it is has to play rather quietly with no thumpy bass to carry into the next office. SO, I have bits of Lisa Gerrard, The Mirror Pool various Loreena McKennitt various Happy selections including "Tivoli" and "Bye Moon" Susan McKeown, Bones parts of Common Ground (indluding the Kate Bush Women of Ireland track) Celtic Twilight (Hearts O' Space) Jamieshad Shamshara (spelling?), A Prayer for the Soul of Layla Richard Shindell, various Actual cassette originals (legal and everything) Sarah McLachlan, Surfacing Jane Siberry, The Walking (I like When I Was a Boy the best, but it lives in the car) Loreena McKennitt, Book of Secrets I think I will be adding Stellamara soon--just tuned into the web site someone posted and got to listen to two clips. Thanks for the suggestion! Also, just got my Veda Hille disks from A&B Sound yesterday--I like Path of a Body so far, and haven't listened to Spine yet. NOT work fare, but definitely HOME and CAR material! I had sent Ball of Flame a check in JULY and have not heard from them, but A&B finally came thru. Well, so far I would say it was worth the wait. I think those who like Tori, and Emily Bezar, would like Path of a Body. I find Veda's lyrics more evocative, though--not necessarily more accessible, but somehow more real and moving to me personally. Esp. with Boys for Pele I often feel like I have no idea what most of that is all about--Tori seems sort of stream of consciousness and rambling there. Veda's lyrics seem more crafted, deliberate, and meaningful. Some are also very disturbing! As for embarrassing disks, how about that I own not one but TWO CDsof Tuvan throat singing! Anthropological pretensions, I think, because I don't actually listen to them for my own pleasure, but occasionally force them on other people! I am an anthropologist, but not an ethnomusicologist, and really have no clue about this genre. cheers, Kelley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:28:17 -0600 From: Sharon Nichols Subject: Embarrassing CD The most embarrassing CD that I am oh-so-proud to own would have to be, hands down, Fabio "After Dark." Worse piece of shit in the universe. That's why it's so funny, and that's why I will never part with it. Sharon Terra Incognita-The Happy Rhodes Forum http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/3450/terra.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:47:59 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: First Recordings Ecto is so amazing; I've been delighted reading about embarrassing music and first experiences. I must delurk a minute to chime in. My first vinyl was an Everly Brothers album, can't remember which one it was so long ago (over 40 years!). Lotsa 45s around that time, but most of the music was on the radio. We lived in the Caribbean, and the local stations mostly played calypso or elevator music. Late at night we could pick up the big AM clear channel stations like WLAC and WABC. John R was on WLAC playing the meanest R&B, stuff that influenced the Stones way before they were around. "I'm a King Bee, buzzin' round your hive..." When that would fade we could get WABC, where Bruce Morrow played stuff like "Norman" and "I've told Every Little Star", decent top-40 ilk of the early sixties. I had a wide variety of musical background. As for CD technology, my first disc was "Heartbreak City" by the Cars. I actually got it before I had a player, as I was the telecine colorist for a few of the videos from that album. To digress a bit on that, I worked in New York City about 16 - 17 years ago and was fortunate to have worked on a few great projects, including "Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave" for Blue Oyster Cult (another odd coincidence as I had previously been in a band with a guitarist who was with the BOC folks just before they were called Soft White Underbelly - but I digress on my digression!), "Genius Of Love" by the Tom Tom Club, and "Rockin' the Casbah" by the Clash. These days it's mostly commercials (Watch for a new Dermoplast spot!) but there have been a few videos (no one famous just yet!)(like Flat Duo Jets...). Anyway, as far as embarrassing, I can't remember one thing in which I couldn't find some value. Sometimes I fell for ear candy, got an album based on one song, but I wasn't embarrassed as much as disappointed. Mostly I fell in with gems either overlooked or discovered later. Anyone else heard of bands like Millennium (was that Kurt Boettcher?), or The United States of America? I picked up the first Spirit album before the back cover was printed in color. I've generally lived outside the musical mainstream, but I have enough respect for music to appreciate all genres. I may not like most top 40, but I do appreciate Celine Dion's pipes on that Titanic song. Well, good to drop in! As ever ecto rules! I for one am very eagerly awaiting Happy's newest, and this thread has been great fun to read. Still fuzzy blue... Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:39:02 -0800 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: My contribution to the embarrassing/first thread Hm. Well, this has exploded into quite the thread, eh? I now feel compelled to add a few myself. Sort of embarrassing: Not too much, really. Generally I firmly stand by my musical tastes. :) A few things spring to mind, though... * The best of Tears for Fears. Whiny teenage angst that's all about high school. In the 60s the Beatles sang "All you need is love." In the 80s Tears for Fears complained "You don't give me love." Heheh... * The soundtracks to Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back. The first one is brilliant movie music. The second is ehhhh... lots of booms and crashes and the damned Imperial march rehashed fifty times, but a few good rollicking tunes for flying spaceships around to. I don't have the soundtrack to Return of the Jedi - that flick was a dog through and through. With all respect to dogs. * Grace - If I could fly. Don't ask. Let's just say that one track heard in a record shop is not always sufficient grounds to buy an album. I should have judged this one by the cover - it's crap! Anyone want it? First purchase with my own money: * Thomas Dolby, Blinded by Science. The EP. This one recording on 12" vinyl started me down the trail of sin and perdition that is Popular Music. It's all Thomas' fault! I bought it in high school... relatively late to be buying pop, I suppose, but I'd resolutely refused to listen to anything my contemporaries listened to until then. (though I admit being intrigued by Madness and XTC) I loved touches like the shipping forecast on Windpower, and Airwaves was a revelation in terms of pop bass lines. First CD: * Jane Siberry, No Borders Here. I already had it on vinyl, but I had to get it on CD. I was quite alarmed by the visible pinholes when I bought it - - didn't know it was pretty well normal. CDs at the office: Well. I werk for a record company... I am surrounded by CDs. :) Some of my own include: * Peter Gabriel - Passion. Last Temptation of Christ soundtrack - one of the best albums of all time for me. * Delerium - Karma. Yeah it's a Nettwerk album, and damn it's good! * Heidi Berry - Love and Heidi Berry. I don't listen to these anymore, (too many difficult memories surrounding where I got them, etc.) but have them here because a co-worker borrowed them. * Brainbox - Primordia. Yep. Nettwerk again. Eagerly awaiting the final mixes of his new one. * Jah Wobble's Invaders of the Heart - Take me to God. "Becoming more like God" is sheer slinky brilliance, with Anneli Drecker's cool vocals. "Change is a misnomer, promoted by Californians with strange haircuts and symmetrical teeth!" * Happy Rhodes - Warpaint and Building the Colossus. Tried playing them for a few people here. They thought it was ok; nobody was blown away. * Bill Frisell Band - Where in the World? Spacy, eerie and beautiful! Also playing around me: people are playing Portishead, Bjo:rk (very popular), Emm Gryner... there's one office where the guys are always playing jazz. One person who shall remain nameless has a tendency to play old Duran Duran, early Madonna, Aqua and other horrific CDs, much to the consternation of everyone else. The art department plays a lot of ambient and slower techno stuff... The great thing about this place is that there's always something interesting playing. Admittedly, it can be a bit cacophonous sometimes, but there you go. And you always know when a new Nettwerk release is coming up, as the new album gets played a lot. (right now that means Wild Strawberries - Quiver and Mystery Machine - Headfirst into Everything. Sully is next, I think.) Random observation: Anyone else think that there are some chord changes in the middle of Bryan Adams' latest schlock "Back to You" that sound suspiciously like October Project's "Return to Me"? I think the lyrics refer also to ships on the ocean. Maybe it's just me - I haven't compared them back to back or anything, and I've only heard the former on the radio once or twice. Juno awards. Canadian music biz awards - nominees were announced today. Sarah's up for a few awards. Delerium's only up for one - the Rabbit in the Moon remix of Euphoria. That's a bit disappointing - they should have got more than that! Nettwerk's art department is up for dozens. :) http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicJunos/nominees.html Tara MacLean tour dates. Tara's doing some West Coast dates, which are be posted on the NettWeb site under News and Tours. (www.nettweb.com) - Neil K. - -- 49N 16' 123W 7' + nkg@nettwerk.com + (604) 654-2929 Technical Services Manager, Nettwerk Productions 1250 West 6th Ave. Vancouver, BC, Canada V6H 1A5 in the heart of Canada's Pacific Southwest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:05:24 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Re: Emm Gryner/Canadian songstresses At 07:53 AM 2/11/98 -0500, Jill wrote: >Ohmigod! I *love* Caroline Lavelle! But I want her to *sing*! Her version >of "A Case of You" is soooooo filled with emotion. And I love "Turning >Ground" and "Moorlough Shore" as well. Steve, do you have any idea about when >she might release another solo album? You know, for some reason it never occurred to me to ask if Caroline does any vocals on Emm's album. I just assumed she'd just be playing cello. Caroline's version of "A Case of You" is pretty good, I like the strings in it, but I think I prefer Joni's original. As for another solo album, Caroline told Emm that she'd had a horrible year last year getting out of her contract with Warner, but that now she's back on track. That's all I know. >I've been collecting several Canadian *femvox* artists lately -- Barbara >Lynch, Lenni Jabour (another *Tori sound-alike*), Mia Sheard, Lin Elder, Wendy >Lands, Jann Arden (of course), and Andrea Florian. *whew* not bad! There are some fairly obscure artists in there, in fact I don't know what Barbara Lynch or Lin Elder are like at all. Lenni Jabour isn't too bad, I've been trying to catch her live but a combination of bad luck and apathy has prevented it. I did see her perform a grand total of one song once. Neither Mia Sheard nor Wendy Lands impressed me that much when I saw them, but maybe I just need to listen to their CDs. Andrea's not half bad either. Just as a point of interest, her cellist was also Sarah Slean's regular cellist up until very recently. >Any other suggestions are most definitely welcome! I assume since you know about these artists you already know about more well-known singer-songwriters of that ilk from the Toronto area like Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, Tara Maclean (although she's moving back to Vancouver), Sara Craig, Dayna Manning, and Michelle McAdorey (of Crash Vegas, although I'm not sure if she ever did put out a CD on her own.) Less well-known but a favourite among ectophiles is Rebecca Timmons, and for a maritime flavour underappreciated singer-songwriter-fiddler Melanie Doane is well worth checking out, especially live. I saw her with Suzanne Little (who had her baby in tow) and Damhnait Doyle, and despite being the least well-known act on the bill, she completely stole the show (much as I like Suzanne). Ms. Doyle wasn't that exciting that night but she seemed much improved when I saw her at a songwriters showcase last year. There are also folks on the list who swear by Dalbello and Anhai although they're not really my thing. Steve ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve I | Check out cool Toronto artists Sarah Slean & Emm Gryner Toronto, CAN | at NORTHERN SOUNDS: http://webhome.idirect.com/~nsounds/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 Riphug@aol.com wrote: > And prior to that, you listened to your parents' *really* old thick discs like > "Slow Boat to China" and "Mood Indigo". And even though they were the big 12" > kind, you had to play them on 78 rpm? And they were kept in a big cumbersome > photo-album- type thing with brown paper sleeves to protect them? I *still* > can't believe that my mother threw away her collection of those old LPs. Gee Jill, I was sure you grew up listening to wax cylinders :) Neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:02:34 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: throat singers Kelley Hays-Gilpin wrote: > As for embarrassing disks, how about that I own not one but TWO CDsof > Tuvan throat singing! Anthropological pretensions, I think, because > I don't actually listen to them for my own pleasure, but occasionally > force them on other people! I am an anthropologist, but not an > ethnomusicologist, and really have no clue about this genre. in a recent concert, ani difranco talked about tuvan throat singers. she met up with some at a folk festival and was rather dazzled by them. they can sing two notes at the same time apparently. she took a lesson, but didn't demonstrate. barbara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: embarrassing cd's On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 Riphug@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/98 10:15:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, valerie@smoe.org > writes: > > << My first album was "Da Doo Run Run" by Shawn Cassidy >> > > Oh, Valerie......now *that* is truly embarrassing! I think I can compete with that. The first album I bought was Captain & Tenille's 2nd album. I can't remember what it was called now, and somehow I managed to part with it many years ago. You must remember it though... Muskrat Love, The Wedding Song. Ah the memories. My first cd was either John Fogerty's Centerfield or Psychedelic Furs' Mirror Moves. Now that's a curious pairing. Neal np: Future Folklore Volume 3 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #47 *************************