From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V3 #113 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, December 23 1997 Volume 03 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Miscellaneous content [Michael Colford ] Re: june tabor [Neile Graham ] Re: ecto-digest V3 #112 (Chantal Kreviazuk) [sandra ] Top 10 List [JEFFREY_HANSON@ccmail.udlp.com (JEFFREY HANSON)] happy solstice et al. [meredith ] Re: Top 10 List [Neal Copperman ] my turn! my turn! ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Instead of top 10 [Andrew Fries ] Holiday Greetings [jjh969@juno.com] Holiday Greetings [jjh969@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Miscellaneous content On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Alvin Brattli wrote: > Dalbello: > ****+ _Whore_ > For a couple of weeks, I had _Whore_ rated *****. The reason I > have rated it ****+ now is _not_ that I like it less, but rather > that the addictiveness I had to this album wore off. It's still > a very, very good album, though. > *** _Whomanfoursays_ Ah, so nice to see another person who has discovered Dalbello. Take it from me and Neile (and Alvin) this woman does powerful stuff! I only hope that she keeps recording. _Whore_ is powerfully intense, and not for the faint of heart. Her voice and her writing blow me away. A thinking person's mature Alanis Morissette. (i.e. what Alanis could grow up to become if she really has the talent.) > Jane Siberry: > ***** _When I was a boy_ > Jane Siberry's musical style made this album a little hard to > digest the first couple of times I listened to it, but I soon > realized that it is a truly excellent album. Rather than go > into details, I will just say that Jane Siberry is on my list of > artists I need to buy more of. And since you really liked this one, you should definitely pick up _The Walking_ next. _The Walking_ remains my favorite Siberry album, very closely followed by _When I Was a Boy_. Talk about true acts of genius. I have a great deal of trouble doing top lists of 1997 because I usually get a lot of great CD's that I have been waiting for as Christmas gifts. I'm hoping this year will be the same! I'll report back with a best of list some time in January! Happy Holidays everyone, and I hope everyone enjoyed their Winter Solstice yesterday! Michael n.p. _O Holy Night_ by Happy Rhodes (swoon) part of my own _A Non-Traditional Christmas_ cassette. n.r. _Wonder Woman: Gods and Goddesses_ by John Byrne (who is surprisingly, a much better novelist than comic book writer since I can't really stand his comic writing.) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:50:02 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: june tabor At 5:04 PM +0100 10/22/97, Phillip Clark wrote: > >I was not there at the Bottom Line to see June (primarily because of the >rather large duck pond which separates the US from the UK), but I have >been a fan of hers since her first recording with Maddy Prior, the >original Silly Sisters album around 1976. I consider June to be my >favourite female singer, but would not have thought that she would appeal >to the ecto audience ! Phillip wrote this way back in October, when I was actually visiting his side of the duck pond. Believe it or not, I'm still going through my inbox from that period (some of you may notice some very belated requests to use comments for the Ectophiles' Guide). Anyway, I just wanted to say, even two months late, that I also have been a June Tabor fan since first hearing the Silly Sisters. I've heard her live several times--she has a stunning, deep, expressive voice. I prefer her traditional and more traditional-soundings songs to her contemporary pop-ish stuff, but will listen even to _songs_ I don't like for the wonder of her voice. It was listening to a her sing that gave me the idea for my second (unfinished) novel (come to think of it, the first is unfinished too). Her version of Norma Waterson's "The Scarecrow" is one of the most haunting songs I've ever heard. - --Neile n.p. a Faye Wong sampler tape - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:21:11 -0600 (CST) From: sandra Subject: Re: ecto-digest V3 #112 (Chantal Kreviazuk) Another lurker emerging from the gloom... I'm responding to Kathy's comment on seeing Chantal live and trying to figure out "Wayne". I'm not a fan of Chantal's but I'm writing from school and my friend Mandy (here in the computer lab as well) happens to be a friend of Chantal's (Chantal is from Winnipeg, for those of you who might not have known) and I asked her if she knew what it meant. She said "Wayne" was about childhood, innocence, and growing up--there is no 'Wayne', by that name or any other one, the song is fictional. Possibly the speaker is telling Wayne not to rush her, not to hurry her youth... let her be a child for a while ("Wayne, wait for me/ take me up in your hot air balloon/ feed me cotton candy") and when she grows up she'll be a woman for him, but not before... Hope this has been educational. sandra (timid but not intimidated) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sandra Wiebe - swiebe@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:20:33 -0500 From: Heather Russell Subject: Skate Ecto I was watching a skating competition on TV the other night and I noticed that the women skaters had chosen several ecto-ish musical selections for their routines, including Laura Love and Sarah McLachlan. Oksana Baiul danced to Possession and it was very beautiful. Did anyone else catch the show? Heather - -- |***********************************| | Heather Russell | | http://www.freecloud.com/heather | | hrussell@bellsouth.net | |___________________________________| "But just promise me one thing; if I drop dead tomorrow, tell me my grave stone won't read: ani d. CEO. Please let it read: songwriter musicmaker storyteller freak." - - -Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:29:51 -0600 From: JEFFREY_HANSON@ccmail.udlp.com (JEFFREY HANSON) Subject: Top 10 List Wow, another year almost over. And definitely a good musical year, though I'm scary to realize that I bought 150 CDs this year. That is one bad thing about ecto--I've more than doubled my annual CD buying totals since I've joined. My top 10 (in rough, ever-changing order) 1. Richard Shindell - Reunion Hill - a surprise, but undoubtedly the album I played most this year 2. Veda Hille - This is the Picture - Not sure what staying power this will have, but definitely a great album on the first couple of listens 3. Lucy Kaplansky - Flesh and Bone (though I think this came out in 1996--I really fell in love with her just this year) 4. Dayna Manning - Volume 1 - I'm just really impressed by this girl's singing, lyrics, and variety 5. Beth Orton - Trailer Park - An excellent album. Kind of Linda Thompson meets Everything But the Girl. Beautiful voice. Great songs. 6. Katell Keinig - Jet - Mother's Map gets my vote for best "epic" song of the year 7. Ingrid Karklins - Red Hand 8. Dar Williams - End of the Summer 9. February - Tomorrow is Today - ocal alt-rock band with a great female lead singer and one of the best "effects" guitar players I've heard. Great sound, great band. 10. Jan Garbarek and The Hilliard Ensemble - Officum - the most beautiful "chant" music I've ever heard Most creatively ambitious: 1. Ingrid Karklins - Red Hand 2. Veda Hille - This is the Picture (Tied) Best New Artists: 1. Dayna Manning 2. Beth Orton 3. Sarah Slean Concert Highlights: 1. Lena Willemark and Ale Moller 2. Katell Keinig 3. The Nields 4. Jewel's Orpheum show 5. Project Lo/Happy Rhodes in D.C. (or whatever suburb that was in) 6. Lilith Fair 7. Local band "The Sandwiches" - sheer crazy fun Good but still disappointing 1. Sarah McLachlan - Surfacing 2. Julia Fordham - East West ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:57:37 -0500 From: meredith Subject: happy solstice et al. Hi! A belated happy Solstice to you all! I'm happy to say I spent the day with my two favorite people (my best friend, who stopped by on her way home for the holidays, and that woj dude ;), eating good food and drinking mulled cider and christening the fireplace in our new home (okay, it had been used many times before in the past, but just not by us). A lovely way to spend the longest night. We were kind of lean on the music, though, since the stereo hasn't been set up in the living room yet () and we didn't want to piss off the neighbors by blasting _La Messe Des Fous_ from the other end of the house. Oh yeah, and the Jets lost, thus putting my Patriots into the playoffs by no fault of their own. :) I hope everyone had a similarly good day. I saw _The Soul of Christmas_ on Channel 13 yesterday. It was much better than I thought it would be -- the focus was on the music, and not on the pedantic spiritual stuff. Susan McKeown was prominently featured, much more than the "name" artists (Iris DeMent, Jane Siberry, and Kathy Mattea were each featured on only one song apiece). She sang either lead or backup on most of the songs, and she sounded great. (I was pleased to note that she plays a mean dumbek, on top of everything else. ;) The music was really neat, traditional carols with a decidedly Celtic flavor. The musicians in the band included Johnny Cunningham, Seamus Egan, and John Doyle (both he and Seamus are original members of the Chanting House, interestingly enough). If this is going to be shown in your area over the next couple days, definitely check it out. (Special bonus prizes will be awarded to those who can pick out Sam Lambert and Hillary in the audience shots. ;>) And now, since I'm heading out of town tomorrow, I'm cleaning out the ectobox one last time for 1997. I'm sure you're all just *so* excited. Troy inquired: >I was just wondering what you think of Tori Amos going for more of a "band" >sound on her new album. From what I've been hearing it will no longer be >Tori and her piano, she will now have a full band when she goes on tour. She's had a "band" sound on all three of her albums. And I, for one, welcome the news that she's getting a band together for the next tour. I've been pleading for one since the very first time I heard "Precious Things" live in 1992. Don't get me wrong, I've *loved* her solo piano shows, they've been all magical and some of the best musical moments of my life have occurred watching her play, but for some songs there's just been something missing. Knowing Tori, she's not going to get together your normal rock band for this tour. She's going to surround herself with a bunch of musicians who are good at improvisation, who are into jamming and musical surprises. (In short, she's going to need a bunch of musical clones of her light board operator. ;) My prediction is that she'll break the show up, with mini-sets with the band interspersed with bits where she does her girl-and-the-piano thing. I'm looking forward to it immensely. Heather reported: >I was watching a skating competition on TV the other night and I noticed >that the women skaters had chosen several ecto-ish musical selections >for their routines, including Laura Love and Sarah McLachlan. Oooo! What Laura Love song, and who skated to it? That's so cool. (Who was it skated to "This Woman's Work" a few years back in one of those things?) Speaking of Laura Love, she rocked on Sessions the other night. She is just too cool. charley pleaded: > Anyone care to comment on how far my taste has diverged from the Ecto >mainstream, such as it is, or any other observations? I'm aware of my >occasional perpendicularity to Ecto's flow and will be little (if at >all) offended by disagreements of taste (Ron Sexsmith rules!). But I've >never felt so dis-ectonnected as I do this year's end. > Anyone else have reastions to these artists' work? I crave a dialogue. To be honest, I haven't heard the albums you mentioned, so I am completely unqualified to make a comment. Perhaps that's the case with others here as well? Or maybe we're so busy with the holiday thing we just haven't had time. Just a thought. FWIW, I really enjoyed The Blue Nile's first album, but I haven't heard anything they've done since then. Just haven't gotten round to it, I guess... If all else fails, wait a few months and Neile will get round to your post eventually. ;> Jeff Hanson rated: >2. Veda Hille - This is the Picture - Erm, it's _Here Is A Picture_. Sorry, but I've seen several people get the name wrong, and I don't want folks to be confused when they either order it from her or try to order it from A&B Sounds or something. Just trying to be helpful. :) Neile noted: >I must say that I was very surprised to see the video for "The Mummer's >Dance" on last Sunday's night's MTV's _120 Minutes_. Not that MTV would >play a Loreena video, but I thought _120 Minutes_ was supposedly for >alternative stuff. 1.) Loreena made a video?!? 2.) It was on 120 Minutes?!? jeffy retorted: >gee, after all the boostering, this didn't hit top-ten? ;-) It would have, if Veda hadn't come out with that damned awesome album before the year was out. A top 10 is a top 10, otherwise it would be a top 11 and that just wouldn't work, would it? ;) >> -- Susan McKeown and Lindsey Horner, "The Winter King" > >Ping. I've been thinking that I may need to use this song for kite ballet >competition next season...seems like it would be entirely too much fun to fly >to. Oooo! Let us know if you do! (who knows, maybe Susan would be in the area to do a gig at the time and could stop by and see it...) Tony Matern posted: >This is my first posting to the page. My little daughter Melissa and I >probably represent the youngest and oldest (or close to), fans out there. >Just wanted to put this "Christmas Card" on the web on behalf of all >Ectophiles. I think a little explanation is probably warranted at this point. :) Way back last fall, when Happy played at the Tin Angel I was hanging about after the show, waiting to say hello to Happy. A very pleasant looking gentleman and his cute little daughter were waiting patiently too, and they were both *really* excited to be there and to be meeting Happy. I happened to have my camera with me, and I asked the little girl if she'd like her picture taken with Happy (who of course agreed to this :). I got a shot of the two of them (which is on my ecto photo page, at ) and got the gentleman's address to send the photo to them. The photo came out really well -- I think it even made it into Rhodeways at some point. So anyway, it made their night. Tony's a nice guy, and Melissa (his daughter) is getting off on the right foot when it comes to her taste in music. Let's all welcome them to ecto! Happy holidays to all... here's to a good one in '98! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | |***TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: trajectory-request@smoe.org***| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Top 10 List On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, JEFFREY HANSON wrote: > > Wow, another year almost over. And definitely a good musical year, > though I'm scary to realize that I bought 150 CDs this year. Oh, you're not that scary Jeff :) You can be scarier next year if you ascend to the cd every other day levels. You've only got 28 more to go. I had the thrill of watching shoplifting in action at Sound Garden tonight. I was returning the latest Bjork for one that didn't have the alarm inducing sticker splattered across the inside cover. (That's Sound Garden's biggest drawback, sticking these things on the cd inset, under the jewelbox, where they don't bother anyone except those of us who don't use jewelboxes. I've ripped an annoying number of packages trying to get them off, but I won't accpet that on new discs.) As I was trying to explain this strange complaint to the woman at the counter, some idiot walked out with a bunch of cd's stuck in his jacket. Surprisingly quickly, a guy vaulted across the counter, lept out the door and threw him to the ground, with the lifted cd's flying across the sidewalk. Much shouting followed, the "innocent" victem of the employee's abuse shouting about asault and claiming a frameup. The police eventually came and took him away. It was a pretty pitiful scene. Neal np: Richard Shindell - Blue Divide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:08:03 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: my turn! my turn! well, okay, so it was a better year than the last few for me, in terms of quantity, at least. But, , a whole year without any new Happy. Oh well. I still haven't gotten a number of the discs I'd like to hear, but here are some of my favorites from '97: The Capeman: Paul Simon When I was a wee lad (er, 3? 4?), "Kodachrome" was my favorite song. I've always had a thing for Paul Simon's work, but he *really* took off in my estimation with _Graceland_, which, 11 years down the line, I still feel is one of the best albums. Ever. By anyone. This latest album, a collection of songs from the musical he co-wrote (with Derek Wolcott) is just phenomenal. While he's shifted gears yet again (away from African, and then South American) to doo-wop and a Latin American sound, the roots and rhythms remain... brilliant stuff Blue Sky on Mars: Matthew Sweet what can I say? I'm a sucker for perfect pop, and as far as I'm concerned, nobody does it like Matthew Sweet. And one of the few men who bothers to self-harmonize, even if it's not for the ethereal wall o' sound we get from folks like Happy, KaTe, or Enya who do it... Maladjusted: Morrissey Miserable Steven Patrick Morrisey is back, and while this may not be as good as, say, _Vauxhall and I_ (my fave of the post-Smiths work), it's still very tasty. And there's the added bonus of Morrissey being a bit faggier...how can you not love a line like, "Well it's their own fault for reproducing..."? (well, okay, *I* can't. ;-) Lovesongs for Underdogs: Tanya Donnelly finally got around to picking this up just recently, and I'm in love with it. Crunchy jangly string-laden pop tunes are screaming through my head, even when the disc isn't playing. Like now. I've yet to actually get any Throwing Muses stuff, but I adored Belly (_King_ more than _Star_), and this new release does not disappoint. Music that makes you smile, even if some of the lyrics are real downers. I mean, how can you not giggle and sing along as Tanya explains, "I am a goat girl..." Through the Bitter Frost and Snow: Susan McKeown and Lindsay Horner One of the best seasonal albums ever. Didja know "Auld Lang Syne" could be so beautiful? Bet Burns didn't! (exxccellent...err...wrong Burns. never mind.) Trailer Park: Beth Orton How totally cool. It's folk. No, it's ambient. No, it's...er...what exactly is it? Dunno, but it's an awful lot of fun. Black Canvas: Project Lo Okay, okay, some of the album's weak. But oh, that version of "Mercy Street"! And it seems like every time I walk into my folks' appartment anymore, that's what Dad has blasting from the stereo (last night I walked in to the middle of "D.I.E"). So I'll include it for Dad, by proxy. ;-) The End of Summer: Dar Williams Could somebody please remind me why, after years of listening to meth talk about Dar, I finally got around to picking up one of her albums THIS YEAR? "Are You Out There" is sublime (could someone explain why I don't hear it on the radio every day?) and "If I Wrote You" is, well, okay, it's also sublime but in a completely opposite way. A must have for the folk-ish loving. Sunburnt: Moon Seven Times Me and Area, we go way back...I heard Area for the first time the day I heard Happy for the first time...end of July, 1990 (thanks, Vickie!) It was on a tape of Vickie's final radio broadcast in Kansas City, and the tape started with the Sundays' "Here's Where the Story Ends", then had 3 Area songs ("25", "With Louise" and, "I'll Gather Flowers") before launching into an hour or so of Happy's stuff from the 1st4. So when M7x started releasing albums, I was right there. I adore their eponymous release, but was a little let down by _7=49_. _Sunburnt_, however, turned me around, threw me on the ground, and beat me up. I love the new jazziness, the freshness. I still can't get enough of this album. Thanks, Lynne and Henry! Melissa Ferrick + 1: Melissa Ferrick I don't know if there are any ectophiles out there who would disagree with me that Ferrick's sophomore release blew the first one out of the water. None of this slump crap, she went from great (well, okay, not everyone loved the first album) to mindboggling (and there are lots of ectophiles who'd agree ont hat part). Thus, I was crushed to hear she'd lost her contract with Atlantic (don't they understand that there's a market for lesbians named Melissa who play acoustic guitar?!) Fortunately for me, MF has kept plugging along. And this indie release (soon to have real distribution, or so they claim) is enough to keep me happy. Live, acoustic, and fiercely fun. The new material is great, and the _Willing to Wait_-styled versions of old (and older) material is great as well. - ---- Guess that's about it for this year. Can't wait for next year! jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:54:04 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Instead of top 10 I don't want to post a list of 10 albums this year, I feel like rambling on instead ;) I get the impression that most of you consider 1997 a good year for music, but looking back I'm a bit disappointed. Perhaps I'm not being fair, and also I missed out on a few of the records that seem to make many of your top-10s: Veda Hille for one, and I'm still waiting for my copy of Ingrid Karklins' Red Hand... Also, unusually large number of local Australian bands I used to like broke up this year, and I suspect this affects my outlook. But I still don't think that there were all that many truly outstanding records, and even some of these that do stand out are not the best for the artist in question. Case in point: Dar Williams - Many of you seem to include "End of the Summer" on their lists, but I still consider it her weakest. And I can't be influenced by the familiarity factor, because I only discovered her this year and I got all three of her CDs at the same time - they all arrived in the same package. 10,000 Maniacs - When I heard they were going to continue withourt Natalie, my reaction was "oh no, this is like the Doors without Jim Morrison!". But to my relief, this is not a bad record. OK, it may not be the greatest, and I certainly could do without that Brian Ferry cover but it shows that they will be able to carry on, change and adapt while remaining recognisably 10,000 Maniacs. And that is a huge relief to me, because I used to really like them. And since I also enjoy Natalie's solo record, now I've got two for the price of one :) Tanya Donnelly "Love songs for underdogs" - it may be one of the better releases this year but to me it's strangely unsatisfying. Compared to the first Belly record... well, it just doesn't compare, really. Some other good ones, in no particular order: Lisa Cerbone - "Mercy". Thanks to Neal this was one of the first records I got this year, and it remains one of my favourites. The Sundays - "Static and Silence". Lovely affair, more subdued and less jangly than their first, more varied and just stronger than the second. I'm glad they are still around. Grey Eye Glances - Eventide. Some might dismiss it as too poppy, but as it happens, I like pop... and I like the voice. Ani DiFranco - Living in Clip. Mostly great music, sparks fly often, but some strange choices in the selection of tracks and bizzarre editing! Sarah McLahlan - Surfacing. Personally I still enjoy it more than FTE but maybe I'm just weird. Still, I admit this record probably won't be considered a classic a few years down the track. My disappointment of the year: Portishead. And I can't even say there is anything wrong with this record. I think what happened is that I lost all interest in the trip hop genre. I was never a huge fan and now it's like it just played itself out for me. But strangely enough I still like their first CD. New artist of the year: Sarah Slean. And if I heard of her it's only thanks to Ecto, and Steve Ito in particular! New artist of the year on the local front: Freudian Trip. Not that anyone outside of Sydney would ever hear of them :( I'd like to introduce a new award, "for the song I hummed most often". This year this coveted award goes to Sarah Slean's "Universe", followed closely by Kirsty Stegwazi "So long" (Kirsty Stegwazi is a very obscure artist from Melbourne) Most anticipated record in the coming year: Heather Nova - it's been a long time coming. And naturally, Happy! Also, after a rather quiet period I expect some good local releases in 1998. One I'm really looking forward to is from the Killjoys. It's been 3 years since their last one but I just saw them play the other day and it jolted my memory. What's more, on the strength of what I heard live, the CD should be worth the wait! Record I dread most in the coming year: Tori Amos, if she puts one out, that is. I want so much to like it and yet I'm so afraid that I won't be able to! A Tori record that I couldn't get into - this would truly be an end of an era in my listening. Oh yeah, so what *was* my favourite record this year, you might ask? Well, this honour will have to go to a local band, one that most of you wouldn't know unless I sent you a tape - Peccadillo's "Little Sins". Peccadillo rule! :) Wish you all a happy festive season, be it Hanuka, Christmas or Pagan festivals - Peace to all... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of love and peace I wish I had a river I could skate away on... (Joni Mitchell) Visit my site devoted to little-known Australian bands... http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:42:45 -0500 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Holiday Greetings Good Yule, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, Solstice, Festivus, Chanukah Or Whatever & Wishes For The Best Of An Ecto-Filled New Year To You All. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:45:41 -0500 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Holiday Greetings Good Yule, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, Solstice, Festivus, Chanukah Or Whatever & Wishes For The Best Of An Ecto-Filled New Year To You All. John ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V3 #113 **************************