From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V3 #50 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, October 23 1997 Volume 03 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ecto-digest V3 #49 [Max Froumentin ] Re: this week's new releases [flx@creighton.edu] Re: ecto-digest V3 #49 [Yves Denneulin ] Re: june tabor [Phillip Clark ] Lisa Cerbone in Ohia and PA [Neal Copperman ] Re: june tabor [meredith ] moments / stagnation / ye olde booke o' secretes [Damon des Jumeaux ] Re: june tabor [Neal Copperman ] bulgarians vs. tuvans [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:58:08 +0100 From: Max Froumentin Subject: Re: ecto-digest V3 #49 Robert Lovejoy" writes: > The other day I was listening to an old Genesis album, "Selling > England By The Pound". What are some of your favorite > musical 'moments"; points in a song where something greater than the > rest of the song stands out? Funny, because I'm listening to that album right now. And the exact moment you describe also IMO stands out from the rest. Actually another great moment is in "Firth of Fifth", at 4:09 exactly, when the second piano solo starts. Gives me thrills each time. Other such moments include: - - Joe Jackson _Night Music_, in "The Man Wrote Danny Boy" when Maire Brennan starts singing. - - The drum part at the very end of Suzanne Vega's "Luka". - - The end part of Echobelly's "Taste of you" on _Every's Got One_ from "I don't want to live forever..." on. - - The end part of Throwing Muses' "Ruthie's Knocking" on _Limbo_ and many others. Max. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:57:46 -0500 (CDT) From: flx@creighton.edu Subject: Re: this week's new releases In a message to Ecto on Tue, 21 Oct 1997, meredith wrote: > - SINEAD O'CONNOR - Best of (Chrysalis/EPROP) I wish this or some release would have her first Grammy performance. I *really* liked how she sung "Mandinka" and was rather disappointed with the studio version when I later bought THE LION AND THE COBRA. - - - - - - - - - - Felix Strates Don't go drown in a shallow pool flx@creighton.edu we've got so much work for you. http://www.creighton.edu/~flx --Tsunami, "Old Grey Mare" - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:42:12 +0200 From: Yves Denneulin Subject: Re: ecto-digest V3 #49 > Other such moments include: Here are mine: - Kate Bush _Hello earth_ when she sings "I was here at the birth" - Tanya Donnelly _Acrobat_ (from _Lovesongs for underdogs_) at the end of the first bridge - Autour de Lucie _Selon l'humeur_ (from _Immobile_) when she sings "sans pudeur nous implore" - Lisa Gerrard _Sanvean_ end of first verse - Maria McKee _afterlife_ when the drums and the guitar start - Peter Gabriel _solsbury hill_ the guitar intro That was fun! - -- Yves. n.p. Autour de Lucie _Immobile_ n.r. my phD thesis :-( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:04:56 +0100 (BST) From: Phillip Clark Subject: Re: june tabor On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, samantha wrote: > is no one else going to post about how unbelievably amazing june tabor was > at the bottom line? > were there no other ectos there? > because personally, i was totally blown away. I was not there at the Bottom Line to see June (primarily because of the rather large duck pond which separates the US from the UK), but I have been a fan of hers since her first recording with Maddy Prior, the original Silly Sisters album around 1976. I consider June to be my favourite female singer, but would not have thought that she would appeal to the ecto audience ! Around 15 years ago a newspaper ran a story concerning the purity of June's voice and how someone would take one of her records when buying a new stereo system. Applying "The June Tabor Test", any new equipment had to reproduce her voice perfectly ..... most equipment failed ! Phillip Clark - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 25 Redfern Avenue Molniya Space Consultancy Whitton Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches Middx TW4 5NA Editor, Jane's Space Directory U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Lisa Cerbone in Ohia and PA Here are some late breaking non-local Lisa Cerbone dates.... Plus, November 21 is the date to catch "Watching You Drown" featured on Homicide. Thursday, October 23 - 1:30 On-Air Interview, WCBE, Columbus, OH Thursday, October 23 - Top Cats, Cincinnati, OH (513)281-2005, 9:30 Friday, October 24 - WDPS On-Air Interview, Dayton, OH Saturday, October 25 - Borders, Dayton, OH, 4:00 Saturday, October 25 - Canal St Tavern, Dayton, OH w/ Over the Rhine (937)461-9343, 9:30 Thursday, October 30 - North Star Bar, Philadelphia, PA w/ Brian Seymour, Mia Johnson, and Richard Julian - Four Songwriters in the Round, (215)235-7826 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:27:16 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: june tabor Hi! Sam posted: >is no one else going to post about how unbelievably amazing june tabor was >at the bottom line? Um, I guess not. :) >were there no other ectos there? woj and I did think about it, but we were too fried from our weekend to go ANYWHERE Sunday night. While I do wish I had gone, I think in the end we did make the right decision. So -- details! What exactly blew you so far away? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | Boonton, NJ USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | |***TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: trajectory-request@smoe.org***| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:33:30 -0700 From: Damon des Jumeaux Subject: moments / stagnation / ye olde booke o' secretes bob lovejoy posed an interesting question: > So I put the question to ecto: What are some of your favorite musical >'moments"; points in a song where something greater than the rest of the >song stands out? that is the most intriguing musical question i've heard in a long time. it annoys me greatly, though, that after having thought about it for quite a while, i can't think of very many of those moments. i know there are *lots* of them for me, because i do know exactly what you're talking about... but when i try to think of specific instances my brain just refuses to cough much up. one such moment, though it's rather too long to be called a `moment' really, is basically all the piano solo bits in "firth of fifth" off that same album. i have a thing for piano (and/or violin). and actually, much of early genesis contains those moments... let's see, there's the start of the "willow farm" segment in "supper's ready" off _foxtrot_ (the bit right after "we watched with reverence as narcissus was turned to a flower... "), and many other points in that particular track, and... well, a bunch of others i can't think of right now. another one that pops into my head, actually, is a peter schilling song, but i only have that album (_error in the system_ i think) on an unmarked tape somewhere... anyway, i *think* the song is his "major tom" takeoff (wasn't that something of bowie's originally?) - after the lyrics are finished, there's this lull, and then a majestic synth drum riff that always gives me shivers somehow. hm... lots of kate bush moments, too - something in her scream in the chorus of "houdini", the spoken bits of "get out of my house", something in "experiment IV" i can't quite place now... and many others. and many others elsewhere, of course, but now i've truly exhausted my poor memory... i'll just have to listen through all my cds sequentially again sometime and see. :) on a completely unrelated note, does anyone else find they go through cycles of *not* listening to music much? i mean, two years ago i *always* had something playing, often even while i was falling asleep. now i find i usually am *not* listening to anything. that's changed a little since i moved in with laur, since she's often got something playing (ani difranco more often than not :), and i'm starting to think of listening to things myself more often, but still. my only guess is it's some sort of musical stagnation - two years ago is about when i started running out of the wads of spending money i used to have, and started getting more frugal wrt music buying... nowadays i'm lucky if i buy one or two cds a month. someone, reassure me that as soon as i'm rich and can once again recklessly succumb to EWS i'll start listening more again! oh, my one purchase for this month has been _the book of secrets_, of course. i actually on a whim ordered the "collector's edition" from quinlan road, which includes a "words and music" cd, on which loreena talks about her sources and methods and inspirations etc., as though the booklet from the album itself weren't already verbose enough! ;) anyway, it came today and i'm only now managing to sit down and listen to it... i must say, i rather disagree with the comments about its "samey sameyness" - i like _the mask and mirror_, but i always found it didn't quite work for me as it ought, with the exceptions of a couple of tracks. so far, at least, the new one is finding my ears more receptive. i think it's... cleaner, crisper somehow. if i had to put words to it, i'd say tmam always struck me as *too* much of a tapestry somehow... sort of like everything blended together *too* well such that i could never find a loose thread hanging out that i could snag on to, if that makes any sense. something about the new one gives me more "access" than the last, so that already it's sticking in my head more. if that all makes any sense. well, even if it *doesn't*, but hopefully it does. um. well, enough rambling for today i think. :) - -damon damon harper des jumeaux _/\_ "Hey, you sass those hoopy damon@pobox.com __\ /_ jumeaux? There're two froods laur & damon: jumeaux@pobox.com \ / who rully know where their http://pobox.com/~jumeaux/damon/ |/||\| towels are." -- ma jumelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Carrie Newcomer - European tour dates (+ a few) Latest tour info follows. New album apparently follows that. Neal np: Kate - Hounds of Love (Listening for people's magical moments... Just passed Meth's ) Friday Oct. 31 Afternoon: BBC radio, live from the Lemon Tree Evening: Aberdeen, Scotland, The Lemon Tree Saturday Nov. 1 Rotherham, UK, Hetheringthorpe Centre Sunday Nov. 2 Preston, UK, The Adelphi Monday Nov. 3 London, The Border Line Wednesday Nov. 5 Muenchen-Ludwigsfeld, Germany, Rattlesnake Saloon Thursday Nov. 6 Freising, Germany, Linden Keller Friday Nov. 7 Langenau, Germany, Pfleghofsaal Saturday Nov. 8 Waldkraiburg, Germany, Haus der Kultur Sunday Nov. 9 Mettman, Germany, Gymnasium Konrad Heresback Tuesday Nov. 11 Turnhout, Holland, De Nieuwe Kaai Wed Nov. 12 Nijmegen, Holland, O'42 Friday Nov. 14 Brussels, Belgium, Essegem Club Saturday Nov. 15 Afternoon: Assen, Holland, Theatercafe Diana Evening: Apeldoorn, Holland, de Gigant Sunday Nov. 16 Afternoon: Utrecht, Holland, Tivoli Evening: Amsterdamn, Paradiso ALSO DON'T FORGET THESE FEW REMAINING US DATES: 10/25 Greencastle, IN Depauw U., Kresge Auditorium 8pm 765-658-4850 12/4 Houston, TX McGonigel's Mucky Duck 8:30pm 713-528-5999 12/5 Dallas, TX Uncle Calvin's 8:45pm 214-363-0044 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:24:20 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: shows in Boston this weekend Attention Boston area ectophiles! Susan McKeown & The Chanting House is at the Me & Thee coffehouse in Marblehead on Friday. Mike (Susan's #1 fan) and I will be there... Susan Werner is doing 2 shows per night on Friday and Saturday at Club Passim in Harvard Square. I'll be at the 7pm show on Saturday (and will probably stick around for the late show as well)... If you haven't seen both Susan's you really owe it to yourself to get out and see the show! Email me if you need more info or directions... - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: june tabor On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, samantha wrote: > is no one else going to post about how unbelievably amazing june tabor was > at the bottom line? > > were there no other ectos there? > > because personally, i was totally blown away. Well, I wasn't at the Bottom Line, but I was meaning to say something anyway, and this seems a fine excuse. Doug and I were at the new (and now smoke free!!!!!) Birchmere last week to see June's show there, and I have to agree, I was completely blown away too. June was accompanied by two other musicians (Huw Harren & Mark Emerson) on a variety of intruments. I've got a handful of her albums, including a Silly Sisters album with Maddy Prior, so I had a fair idea of what she'd sound like. Every song was new to me though, as they all came from her new album, "aleyn". On previous albums, it's always been clear that June has a great voice, but I still was unprepared for the depth and richness of it live. It may be one of the clearest, most expressive voices I've ever heard. She played a wide range of songs, from traditional British tunes old, older and really old (say, 17th century or thereabouts), as well as some current tunes. She imbued all the songs with such passion and depth, with a few being dramatically moving. Notably powerful were: di nacht: A song sung in Yiddish about the Jewish immigrant experience in the US in the 30's, which apparently gained a life of it's own, spreading around decimated communities in Europe in the 40's. Shallow Brown - A very simple and heartrending song about a slave being sold away from his family. a proper sort of gardner - a tribute to the pure "proper" sort of love of a child for a good family friend. Johnny o'Bredislee - The most dramatic change of pace tune of the evening. I was stunned as June turned this Old English story song into a hint of what a traditional album would sound like if Patty Smith decided to make one. I bought the disc (hey, you didn't think I could come up with all that info about the songs from memory, did you?), and it's almost as stunning as the show. It blows away my recolections of the other discs of hers that I own (though I'll have to pull them out and give them a spin to be sure). The only complaint I have about the disc, which is a pretty minor complaint, is that it doesn't capture the depth and emotion of the live performances. It's still wonderful and highly, highly recommended. It also includes the obligatory Richard Thompson cover (surprisingly, no RT covers were performed at the show), this one of The Great Valerio. Neal np: Jewel at the Innerchange (duh duh duh duh daddeeee) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: bulgarians vs. tuvans On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, biscotti and borscht wrote: > which reminds me, for no apparent reason, of an album on shanachie i saw > recently: a collaboration between huun huur tu (the tuvan throat singers) > and angelite (a bulgarian group i've never heard of before). I've never heard of angelite either, but when I was at the Birchmere a few days ago (more in a moment on that), I saw that on their schedule. I was really sceptacle of a group called Angel Lite, but when I saw they were matched with Huun Huur Tu, it did make me think twice. I saw Huun Huur Tu's first US concert (4 or 5 years ago in San Diego) for their debut album 60 Horses in my Head (er, Herd). They were really amazing. In fact, I think we talked about it here on ecto, because someone (I've forgotten who, but I'm sure I saved the post) actually sent me details that amounted to a home throatsinging kit. (I gave up after about 5 minutes, but was still glad for the info.) Enough of the reminiscing.... I was intrigued about the show, but I'm not sure that I'm $27.50 intrigued. That seemed quite steep, though it's a unique enough evening that I might consider it. I was at the Birchmere to see Marta Sebestyan and Muzsikas, who put on an amazing show. I'd seen them on their previous swing through DC, 18 months ago, but this time I was up front and center, adding a new dimension to the evening. Last year I was struck by the music. This year it was just as fine, but I was in a better position to see the dancers. They were the same people as last year, but either they've improved a lot or my vantage point made their dancing all the more impressive, because I was in total awe of them. Course, the music was excellent too, though the show was rather similar to the previous one. Still, how often do you get to see a fancy solo on a no-(finger)holed flute and dualing gardon's (spelling?) - a mini-cello held like a guitar and played percusively with a wooden stick? Definitely worth seeing for anyone not scared off by the concept. Random shots: Is Richard Shindell still opening for Dar's shows or not? She's playing here Saturday, and they had been reporting that other guy (Peter Mulvey?), but today's City Paper suddenly has Richard's name on the bill. That might be enough to sway my decision on that annoyingly rich music day: Indigo Girls at UMBC Dar at Grace Fellowship Christine Lavin at the Birchmere Beth Orton at 9:30 Right now I'm leaning towards Beth Orton as she's the only one I haven't seen before (and probably the cheapest ticket too). Perhaps if I listen to her disc, which I bought last week, I'd make up my mind more. Love the two songs I heard in advance though (thanks Jeff!). I finally got around to looking at the Caterwaul page and saw there is an album, Killer Fish, that I don't have. Anyone have it and have any thoughts on it? I thought there was something else, but perhaps I will just go to bed instead. Neal np: a Prince by any other name - Emancipation ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V3 #50 *************************